United States

[KWorld]

A setup for the US in 1870.

[KWorld]

Tweaked to update cost of the Hornet-class ships.

Available		Starting
BP	Cash	BP	Cash
0.026	0.04	200	1000
Spending	Number
Bases				BP	Cash			# of ships	Light Tonnage	BP	Cash
Type A	7	0	3	0	21		President	0	7872	0	0
Type B	0	1	7.5	0	0		Congress	4	6855	27.42	27.42
Type C	3	3	16.5	9	49.5		Iowa	8	3480	27.84	27.84
Type D	2	6	33	12	66		Wampanoag	8	3130	25.04	25.04
Type E		12	66	0	0		Puritan	8	4042	32.336	32.336
Type F		30	165	0	0		Monongahela	8	1925	15.4	15.4
Type G		60	330	0	0		Alarm	2	1089	2.178	2.178
Slips				0	0		Hornet	8	1840	14.72	14.72
Type A		1	3	0	0					0	0
Type B		1.5	4.5	0	0					0	0
Type C		2	6	0	0					0	0
Type D	0	2.5	7.5	0	0					0	0
Type E		3	9	0	0					0	0
Type F		3.5	10.5	0	0					0	0
Type G		4	12	0	0					0	0
Type H		4.5	13.5	0	0					0	0
Type I		5	15	0	0					0	0
Type J		5.5	16.5	0	0					0	0
Type K		6	18	0	0					0	0
Type L		6.5	19.5	0	0					0	0
Type M		7	21	0	0					0	0
Type N		7.5	22.5	0	0					0	0
Type O		8	24	0	0					0	0
Dry Docks				0	0					0	0
Type A		2	5	0	0					0	0
Type B		3	7.5	0	0					0	0
Type C	2	4	10	8	20					0	0
Type D		5	12.5	0	0
Type E		6	15	0	0		totals	46		144.934	144.934
Type F		7	17.5	0	0
Type G		8	20	0	0
Type H		9	22.5	0	0
Type I		10	25	0	0
Type J		11	27.5	0	0
Type K		12	30	0	0
Type L		13	32.5	0	0
Type M		14	35	0	0
Type N		15	37.5	0	0
Type O		16	40	0	0
Forts				0	0
1 Citadel				0	0		Guns
1880		0.125	2	0	0		Larger than 210mm	Bore size	# of mount types	Cost
1895		0.25	2.667	0	0			12"/14 MLR	1	3
3 Citadel				0	0			10"/15 MLR	1	3
1880		0.375	6	0	0
1895		0.75	8	0	0
6 Citadel				0	0
1880		0.75	12	0	0		Smaller than 210mm	Bore size	# of mount types	Cost
1895		1.5	16	0	0			8"/15 MLR	1	1
12 Citadel				0	0			6.4"/15 MLR	1	1
1880		1.5	24	0	0			.45" Gatling	1	1
1895		3	32	0	0			5.3"/15 MLR	1	1
18 Citadel				0	0
1880		9	36	0	0
1895		18	48	0	0
Coast Guns
12" disappearing	12	0.17	0.17	2.04	2.04
12" parapet	12	0.11	0.11	1.32	1.32
10" disappearing	12	0.1	0.1	1.2	1.2
10" parapet	66	0.067	0.067	4.422	4.422					Total cost =
8" parapet	36	0.027	0.027	0.972	0.972						10
13" mortar	0	0.17	0.17	0	0
Army				0	0
Infantry				0	0
1845	0	0.016	0.125	0	0
1868	270	0.024	0.1875	6.48	50.625		Bases
1890		0.032	0.25	0	0		New York	D
Cav/Spc				0	0		Newport News	D
1845	0	0.016	0.125	0	0		San Francisco	C
1868	60	0.024	0.1875	1.44	11.25		New Orleans	C
1890		0.032	0.25	0	0		Boston	C
Special Weapon				0	0		Bremerton	A
1845	0	0	0	0	0		Pensacola	A
1868		0.032	0.3	0	0		Charleston	A
1890		0.048	0.45	0	0		Portland, ME	A
Artillery				0	0		Groton	A
1845	60	0.0625	0.5	3.75	30		Portland, OR	A
1868	0	0.09375	0.75	0	0		Sitka	A
1890		0.125	1	0	0
Siege Artillery				0	0
1845	0	0.125	1	0	0		Coastal Batteries
1868	12	0.1875	1.5	2.25	18		New York	6x12" dis, 6x12" par, 12x8" par
1890		0.25	2	0	0		Newport News	6x12" dis, 6x12" par, 12x8" par
Pack Artillery				0	0		San Francisco	12x10" par, 12x8" par
1845	9	0.04	0.3	0.36	2.7		New Orleans	12x10" dis
1868	0	0.06	0.45	0	0		Boston	12x10" par
1890		0.08	0.6	0	0		Bremerton	12x10" par
Security				0	0		Pensacola	12x10" par
1845	0	0.008	0.1	0	0		Charleston	12x10" par
1868	33	0.012	0.15	0.396	4.95		Portland, ME	12x10" par
1890		0.016	0.2	0	0		Groton	12x10" par
Engineer				0	0		Portland, OR	12x10" par
1845	12	0.04	0.2	0.48	2.4		Sitka	12x10" par
1890		0.06	0.3	0	0
Railroad				0	0
1845	6	0.075	0.5	0.45	3
1890		0.1125	0.75	0	0
Logistics				0	0
1845	12	0.04	0.1	0.48	1.2
1890		0.06	0.15	0	0
Brigade HQs	159	0	0.05	0	7.95
Division HQs	30	0	0.15	0	4.5
Corps/Army HQs	10	0	0.2	0	2
Additional IC	4	0	10	0	40
Additional BP	5	0	100	0	500
Totals				BP	Cash
				55.04	845.03

[Jefgte]

You have no slips & 2 docks (?)

Jef  ;)

[KWorld]

You have no slips & 2 docks (?)

Jef  ;)

Correct.  The USN buys all of it's ships from private yards, but it has 2 docks to repair some of it's ships (right now, the relatively new Pacific fleet will need to be maintained in a private drydock, because the USN has no Pacific drydocks).

[Darman]

So there must be an increased cost for ships bought in private yards.  Whats the cost increase? 25%?

[KWorld]

So there must be an increased cost for ships bought in private yards.  Whats the cost increase? 25%?

Ships built in private yards cost 1.5X as much in $ (same cost as normal in BP), and the first ship of an identical series takes 25% longer to build.

[Darman]

So there must be an increased cost for ships bought in private yards.  Whats the cost increase? 25%?

Ships built in private yards cost 1.5X as much in $ (same cost as normal in BP), and the first ship of an identical series takes 25% longer to build.

Thank you.  Can ships be built in foreign yards for the same penalty, but utilizing the technology available in the foreign country?  With the express permission of the host country, of course. 

[Jefgte]

The USN buys all of it's ships from private yards, but it has 2 docks to repair some of it's ships ...

Sorry, I disagree.
If we have shipyards in the rules, we must use them to have a Navy.

=> State shipyards are for the warships
=> Private shipyards are for commerce fleet.

Jef  ;)

[KWorld]

So there must be an increased cost for ships bought in private yards.  Whats the cost increase? 25%?

Ships built in private yards cost 1.5X as much in $ (same cost as normal in BP), and the first ship of an identical series takes 25% longer to build.

Thank you.  Can ships be built in foreign yards for the same penalty, but utilizing the technology available in the foreign country?  With the express permission of the host country, of course.

I can't see why not, that's certainly what a lot of countries did.

[KWorld]

The USN buys all of it's ships from private yards, but it has 2 docks to repair some of it's ships ...

Sorry, I disagree.
If we have shipyards in the rules, we must use them to have a Navy.

=> State shipyards are for the warships
=> Private shipyards are for commerce fleet.

Historically, however, this is exactly what the USN did at this period.  All the new ships were built in private yards, with some maintaining being done in government docks.  The government added some production capability over time, but most warships would continue to be produced in private yards to this day (aircraft carriers are the exception, they're produced in government shipyards).


In-sim, which works better for you will depend on your production expectations: if you're going to keep the shipyards busy, it makes sense to invest in government yards to avoid the private yard penalties.  If you are not going to be keeping the shipyards busy, then private yards can be cheaper.  Either way, commercial yards offer surge capacity, for domestic or foreign production, that a government-only system doesn't.

[Darman]

After reading through all this I'm starting to rethink my own slipways and drydocks set-ups for startup

[Jefgte]

In-sim, which works better for you will depend on your production expectations: if you're going to keep the shipyards busy, it makes sense to invest in government yards to avoid the private yard penalties.  If you are not going to be keeping the shipyards busy, then private yards can be cheaper.  Either way, commercial yards offer surge capacity, for domestic or foreign production, that a government-only system doesn't.

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OK, I use too private shipyards: Le Normand, La Ciotat, Forges & Chantiers de l'Atlantique...

Jef  ;)

[KWorld]

In-sim, which works better for you will depend on your production expectations: if you're going to keep the shipyards busy, it makes sense to invest in government yards to avoid the private yard penalties.  If you are not going to be keeping the shipyards busy, then private yards can be cheaper.  Either way, commercial yards offer surge capacity, for domestic or foreign production, that a government-only system doesn't.

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OK, I use too private shipyards: Le Normand, La Ciotat, Forges & Chantiers de l'Atlantique...

This seems totally reasonable to me.

[KWorld]

After reading through all this I'm starting to rethink my own slipways and drydocks set-ups for startup

Heh, can't say I'm surprised, really.  :)

[Darman]

After reading through all this I'm starting to rethink my own slipways and drydocks set-ups for startup

Heh, can't say I'm surprised, really.  :)

Who has the largest private shipbuilding capacity in the world at this point? OTL that is.  And possibly even the largest public sector shipbuilding capacity too....