Nippon Setup Design Work

Started by Valles, September 25, 2011, 02:00:40 AM

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Valles

Designs appearing in this thread are not final - they're me throwing things at the wall to see if they stick. Input is very much appreciated.

Useful Burdens, Nippon Transport laid down 1875

Displacement:
   3,750 t light; 3,829 t standard; 3,951 t normal; 4,048 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (245.57 ft / 238.58 ft) x 39.76 ft x (19.88 / 20.32 ft)
   (74.85 m / 72.72 m) x 12.12 m  x (6.06 / 6.19 m)

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 450 ihp / 336 Kw = 8.06 kts
   Range 2,999nm at 5.21 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 220 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   248 - 323

Cost:
   £0.145 million / $0.581 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 100 tons, 2.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,274 tons, 32.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 201 tons, 5.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 2,375 tons, 60.1 %
      - Hull below water: 1,125 tons
      - Hull above water: 1,000 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 250 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5,162 lbs / 2,341 Kg = 61.7 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
   Metacentric height 1.6 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 13.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a round stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.733 / 0.735
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 23 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 30
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.48 ft / 1.06 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  19.88 ft / 6.06 m,  19.88 ft / 6.06 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  19.88 ft / 6.06 m,  19.88 ft / 6.06 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  19.88 ft / 6.06 m,  19.88 ft / 6.06 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  19.88 ft / 6.06 m,  19.88 ft / 6.06 m
      - Average freeboard:      19.88 ft / 6.06 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 67.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 7,813 Square feet or 726 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 153 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 77 lbs/sq ft or 376 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.87
      - Longitudinal: 8.92
      - Overall: 1.10
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, rides out heavy weather easily

Unarmed, unarmored, merchant-standard construction.

2,375 tons cargo capacity - 1,000 troops and paraphernalia in fighting condition, 375 tons extra supplies or wiggle room


Besides general questions of technical feasibility and the like, I'm curious whether this would count as 1 BP (4,000 tons*0.25 for Merchant Standard) or 0.4 BP (4,000 - 2,375 = 1,625*0.25 = 406.25).

Yes, I'm aware that BP are no longer a rule-relevant concept; put it down to habit or shorthand, as you please.
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When the mother ship's cannon cracked the signal to return
The clouds were building bastions in the swirling up above
Poseidon the King and the Wind his jester
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair

Valles

Not of interest to anybody? Well, how 'bout this, then?

Drifting Frozen-White Thistledown, Nippon Commerce Cruiser laid down 1875

Displacement:
   850 t light; 890 t standard; 1,008 t normal; 1,103 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (241.53 ft / 238.58 ft) x 29.82 ft x (9.94 / 10.64 ft)
   (73.62 m / 72.72 m) x 9.09 m  x (3.03 / 3.24 m)

Armament:
      3 - 4.77" / 121 mm 25.0 cal guns - 49.60lbs / 22.50kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1875 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      3 - 4.77" / 121 mm 25.0 cal guns - 49.60lbs / 22.50kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1875 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      Weight of broadside 298 lbs / 135 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.9" / 455 mm, 29.82 ft / 9.09 m torpedoes - 0.502 t each, 1.003 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.19" / 30 mm         -               -
   2nd:   1.19" / 30 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.20" / 30 mm
   Forecastle: 0.60" / 15 mm  Quarter deck: 0.60" / 15 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.58" / 91 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 1,006 ihp / 750 Kw = 12.95 kts
   Range 1,500nm at 10.60 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 212 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   89 - 116

Cost:
   £0.068 million / $0.272 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 24 tons, 2.4 %
      - Guns: 22 tons, 2.2 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.2 %
   Armour: 123 tons, 12.2 %
      - Armament: 18 tons, 1.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 98 tons, 9.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 8 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 224 tons, 22.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 475 tons, 47.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 158 tons, 15.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 4 tons, 0.4 %
      - Hull below water: 4 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1,235 lbs / 560 Kg = 29.3 x 4.8 " / 121 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.40
   Metacentric height 1.5 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 10.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 79 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.31
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.88

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a round stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.499 / 0.510
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 34 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 42
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.99 ft / 0.61 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  10.94 ft / 3.33 m,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 4,736 Square feet or 440 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 157 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 64 lbs/sq ft or 312 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.02
      - Longitudinal: 2.13
      - Overall: 1.10
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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When the mother ship's cannon cracked the signal to return
The clouds were building bastions in the swirling up above
Poseidon the King and the Wind his jester
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair

Jefgte

IMO, the speed is low for a commerce raider.
I note also the short range - without sails

Jef  ;)
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Tanthalas

Im gona go with Jef here the range is a bit short, sails would proly help with that for what its worth.
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

Nobody

Quote from: Valles on September 25, 2011, 02:00:40 AM
Unarmed, unarmored, merchant-standard construction.

2,375 tons cargo capacity - 1,000 troops and paraphernalia in fighting condition, 375 tons extra supplies or wiggle room[/tt]

Besides general questions of technical feasibility and the like, I'm curious whether this would count as 1 BP (4,000 tons*0.25 for Merchant Standard) or 0.4 BP (4,000 - 2,375 = 1,625*0.25 = 406.25).

Yes, I'm aware that BP are no longer a rule-relevant concept; put it down to habit or shorthand, as you please.
I would say, because it is a transport the misc weight does not count so:
3951 - 2375 = 1576 --> 1576 / 4 = 394 --> 0.394$
with the capability to transport less than 600 men.

The second is a very small nice little ship, but I would call it a patrol boat.

Valles

'Commerce Cruiser' seemed the best thing to call a ship designed to regulate trade and traffic through Japanese proprietary waters and into the Seas of Okhotsk, Japan, and the East China Sea. They are in no way, shape, or form intended as raiders. Perhaps 'Regulation Cruiser' would be better?

As for transport capacity, last I checked, the information available in the 'knowledge base' subforum gave two tons per person as the baseline 'transport ready to fight the day they finish unloading' figure. Certainly that was what N3's rules had it as. Has new data come available, or did I miss a mention in our new rules?
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When the mother ship's cannon cracked the signal to return
The clouds were building bastions in the swirling up above
Poseidon the King and the Wind his jester
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair

Nobody

Good question, I thought it was 4 tons per solider for longer travel, and 2 for very short ones. I could be wrong though.

Walter

Maybe today with a bit more luxury, it would be 4 tons per soldier, but back then the 2 ton figure given by the SS notes should be the figure to use, with half that number for short distances (or something like that).

Korpen

SS is always a bit iffy when dealing with space restrictions rather then weight restrictions.
As an example I post two liner, the only difference is that one of the ships is that one has 6m higher hull, giving her about 14 000m3 more space in the hull (or about 4900 GRT), but almost 2000 ton less misc weight. By our rules the low freeboard one would be the better transport, despite having on space for passengers to exist in...
QuoteHigh hull, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1890

Displacement:
   11 702 t light; 11 973 t standard; 13 561 t normal; 14 831 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (524,93 ft / 524,93 ft) x 65,62 ft x (22,97 / 24,73 ft)
   (160,00 m / 160,00 m) x 20,00 m  x (7,00 / 7,54 m)

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 21 714 ihp / 16 199 Kw = 21,00 kts
   Range 2 000nm at 18,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 858 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   627 - 816

Cost:
   £0,973 million / $3,890 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 0 tons, 0,0 %
   Machinery: 4 021 tons, 29,7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 131 tons, 37,8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 859 tons, 13,7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 2 550 tons, 18,8 %
      - Hull above water: 1 300 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 1 250 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17 028 lbs / 7 724 Kg = 157,7 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 1,6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,07
   Metacentric height 3,0 ft / 0,9 m
   Roll period: 15,9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,00
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2,00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,600 / 0,609
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  39,37 ft / 12,00 m,  36,09 ft / 11,00 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00 %,  36,09 ft / 11,00 m,  32,81 ft / 10,00 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00 %,  32,81 ft / 10,00 m,  32,81 ft / 10,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00 %,  32,81 ft / 10,00 m,  32,81 ft / 10,00 m
      - Average freeboard:      34,22 ft / 10,43 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107,0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 256,9 %
   Waterplane Area: 25 192 Square feet or 2 340 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 128 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 94 lbs/sq ft or 458 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,82
      - Longitudinal: 6,15
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, rides out heavy weather easily
QuoteLow hull, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1890

Displacement:
   11 702 t light; 11 973 t standard; 13 561 t normal; 14 831 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (524,93 ft / 524,93 ft) x 65,62 ft x (22,97 / 24,73 ft)
   (160,00 m / 160,00 m) x 20,00 m  x (7,00 / 7,54 m)

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 21 714 ihp / 16 199 Kw = 21,00 kts
   Range 2 000nm at 18,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 858 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   627 - 816

Cost:
   £0,973 million / $3,890 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 0 tons, 0,0 %
   Machinery: 4 021 tons, 29,7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 431 tons, 25,3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 859 tons, 13,7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 4 250 tons, 31,3 %
      - Hull above water: 1 500 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 1 500 tons
      - Above deck: 1 250 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10 639 lbs / 4 826 Kg = 98,5 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 1,5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,13
   Metacentric height 3,4 ft / 1,0 m
   Roll period: 15,0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,00
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,50

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,600 / 0,609
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  22,97 ft / 7,00 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00 %,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00 %,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00 %,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Average freeboard:      14,80 ft / 4,51 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 108,5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 106,2 %
   Waterplane Area: 25 192 Square feet or 2 340 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 94 lbs/sq ft or 458 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1,01
      - Longitudinal: 1,00
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
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Carthaginian

Quote from: Walter on September 26, 2011, 04:27:38 AM
Maybe today with a bit more luxury, it would be 4 tons per soldier, but back then the 2 ton figure given by the SS notes should be the figure to use, with half that number for short distances (or something like that).

Luxury isn't the issue.
'Beans and Bullets' are the issue.

We're not thinking about the soldier having a warm bed or a bit of walking around room. We're thinking about Springsharp having allotted enough space- and enough food and water- for this soldier to be aboard ship for a few weeks. We're also talking about weapons and ammunition for the soldier, fodder for horses, tents and poles, etc. There is a lot that goes into moving a troop around. As I have said in other threads- myself, 4 changes of clothes, two pair of boots, some rain gear, half a dozen paperbacks, a few days worth of non-military issue food, and sundry personal necessities... basically me, my weapons and ammo, a duffel and a large ruck (volume wise) weighed in at right at 500 pounds- I know this because they were putting us on a scale.
Now, this wasn't even enough gear to take me into combat; this was just enough crap to move me into theater! This was me and about 4 days worth of stuff to survive on, and about 5 minutes worth of carefully conserved ammo. Imagine what it would have taken for me to have fought a single battle!
So 'ere's to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your 'ome in old Baghdad;
You're a pore benighted 'eathen but a first-class fightin' man;
We gives you your certificate, an' if you want it signed
We'll come an' 'ave a romp with you whenever you're inclined.

Korpen

Quote from: Valles on September 25, 2011, 10:07:43 PM
Not of interest to anybody? Well, how 'bout this, then?

Drifting Frozen-White Thistledown, Nippon Commerce Cruiser laid down 1875

Displacement:
   850 t light; 890 t standard; 1,008 t normal; 1,103 t full load


Unlike some, I do not have a problem with the range as I assume that she is not really intended to hunt on the high seas. If she is intended to haunt the costal trade of neighbouring states I think she can do a fine job.
If anything I think you should consider making her shorter to make her more manoeuvrable (yes I am aware that it will hurt speed).
   
Card-carrying member of the Battlecruiser Fan Club.

Valles

And finally, the big boys. Decided to up the ante, tonnage-wise - she's now more-or-less the size of the 1875 HMS Dreadnought, though quite different in a number of other respects. I'm internally debating whether or not to try adding on-deck secondary weapons... given the low hull, casements are impossible, of course.

Bastion, Japanese Warship laid down 1875

Displacement:
   9,300 t light; 9,680 t standard; 10,007 t normal; 10,269 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (379.35 ft / 377.59 ft) x 66.24 ft x (19.88 / 20.34 ft)
   (115.63 m / 115.09 m) x 20.19 m  x (6.06 / 6.20 m)

Armament:
      3 - 14.31" / 364 mm 25.0 cal guns - 1,198.76lbs / 543.75kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in Coles/Ericsson turret mounts, 1875 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 3,596 lbs / 1,631 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14.3" / 364 mm   243.44 ft / 74.20 m   11.93 ft / 3.64 m
   Ends:   3.58" / 91 mm   133.83 ft / 40.79 m   11.93 ft / 3.64 m
     Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.9" / 303 mm   11.9" / 303 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 3.58" / 91 mm
   Forecastle: 1.20" / 31 mm  Quarter deck: 1.19" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 15.51" / 394 mm, Aft 15.51" / 394 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2,000 ihp / 1,492 Kw = 10.60 kts
   Range 1,500nm at 8.58 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 590 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   499 - 650

Cost:
   £0.570 million / $2.281 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 403 tons, 4.0 %
      - Guns: 403 tons, 4.0 %
   Armour: 4,378 tons, 43.7 %
      - Belts: 2,091 tons, 20.9 %
      - Armament: 776 tons, 7.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,200 tons, 12.0 %
      - Conning Towers: 310 tons, 3.1 %
   Machinery: 446 tons, 4.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,973 tons, 39.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 708 tons, 7.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 1.0 %
      - Hull below water: 50 tons
      - Hull above water: 30 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     19,957 lbs / 9,053 Kg = 17.6 x 14.3 " / 364 mm shells or 5.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 14.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.33
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.19

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a round stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.704 / 0.707
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.70 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.43 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 24 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.89 ft / 0.27 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.94 ft / 3.03 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 33.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 76.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 20,125 Square feet or 1,870 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 141 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 161 lbs/sq ft or 784 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.06
      - Longitudinal: 1.48
      - Overall: 1.10
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room

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When the mother ship's cannon cracked the signal to return
The clouds were building bastions in the swirling up above
Poseidon the King and the Wind his jester
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair

Valles



Behold! First-pass effort of the Useful Burdens class! Ugly, top-heavy looking sucker, isn't it? I find myself worrying simultaneously that it might be too modern or too old-fashioned... And of course there's the question of detailing, which I'd certainly be interested any opinions or suggestions on.
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When the mother ship's cannon cracked the signal to return
The clouds were building bastions in the swirling up above
Poseidon the King and the Wind his jester
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair

Korpen

Quote from: Valles on October 01, 2011, 12:07:15 AM


Behold! First-pass effort of the Useful Burdens class! Ugly, top-heavy looking sucker, isn't it? I find myself worrying simultaneously that it might be too modern or too old-fashioned... And of course there's the question of detailing, which I'd certainly be interested any opinions or suggestions on.
You know, I kind of doubt she will fit 1000 men; if all space were used inside the hull and then some superstructure is added, she would have an enclosed deck area of only 2 600m2 (assuming 2m low decks). That is without taking things like funnel uptakes and machinery spaces into account. So I think you really need to add about two decks more to get a hull large enough. If she would be a sailing ship (no space needed for engines and fuel) she would have a GRT of about 1600 gross register tonnage.
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Korpen

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Quote from: Valles on September 27, 2011, 08:32:58 PM
And finally, the big boys. Decided to up the ante, tonnage-wise - she's now more-or-less the size of the 1875 HMS Dreadnought, though quite different in a number of other respects. I'm internally debating whether or not to try adding on-deck secondary weapons... given the low hull, casements are impossible, of course.

Bastion, Japanese Warship laid down 1875

Armament:
      3 - 14.31" / 364 mm 25.0 cal guns - 1,198.76lbs / 543.75kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in Coles/Ericsson turret mounts, 1875 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 3,596 lbs / 1,631 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14.3" / 364 mm   243.44 ft / 74.20 m   11.93 ft / 3.64 m
   Ends:   3.58" / 91 mm   133.83 ft / 40.79 m   11.93 ft / 3.64 m
     Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.9" / 303 mm   11.9" / 303 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 3.58" / 91 mm
   Forecastle: 1.20" / 31 mm  Quarter deck: 1.19" / 30 mm

I can see some potential issues here.
I take it the main belt is intended to go from wetherdeck to ,5m below the waterline in order to protect the machinery for the turrets?
Splitting the belt in an upper and main portion would make that a bit clearer.
The gun layout with three centreline guns seems a major weakness as it gives you really bad ends-on fire. This can be a major problem in the sort of melees one can expect between capital ships, the fact that she is long and slow makes that worse.
Also, single full turrets are quite inefficient, the armour of a single mount is about the same as that of a twin turret.

But I really like that you went for guns with real power!
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