Question: I keep seeing "ratings" mentioned with regards to oil and/or coal.  What are they are where might I find a listing?  

I found the Ratings page.  Looks interesting (the whole topic does).  

Quote from: ctwaterman on November 18, 2010, 05:33:12 AM

Quotethe US Anthracite Coal Mines in 1917 Produced 100 Million Tons of Anthracite alone, Bitimus or Brown Coal totals were at least 5x that much.
Out of curiosity, is that the regular US production of the first quarter of the 20th century, or a temporary heightened production because a world war was going on? After all, 1917 was in the middle of the Great War and it was the year that they US entered the war as well. So I am not sure if the US 1917 figure would be a good figure to use to compare with the peacetime productions of Navalism.

The 60 million tons anthracite was the norm, and that was NOT total coal production 

QuoteIt is the peek year of US Anthracite production it was always popular for heating US homes but latter Oil replaced it after WWI.  I think your are correct that this would be an artificialy inflated production number due to the needs to replace Anthracite production losses due to British mobolization and the huge increases in the US merchant fleet.

See previous.

QuoteYes, that is what you are trying to do. DF already stated that he has "no remaining coal fired navy ships". You seem quite determined to get him to use only coal in his fleet of oil fired ships...

Then why does he cite coal?

QuoteThank You, Thank You,  No applause just send your checks or cash to the Imperial Widdow and Orphan fund.... ;) ;D

Swiss check is in the mail.

Quote from: Walter on November 18, 2010, 03:21:58 AM

QuoteIf they close approach Dutch vessels that shows CLEAR HOSTILE INTENT. We defend ourselves.

So if it is a Green Cross marked cargo vessel flying the Swiss colors, you're willing to attack and sink it? I know it is a dubious combination and maybe the Swiss might abuse the use of the Green Cross, but what if they aren't? Are the Dutch willing to incur the wrath of the part of the world that is civilized?

Such a ship would be given a challenge, "Dutch vessel to New Swiss vessel, Break, 1919 Naval Law. Break. Keep your distance. Break.  Do not approach. Break. Close approach we will shoot. Break. Only Warning. End."

That puts the onus on the pirates...       

QuoteAs to sinking a merchant in the East China Sea? Who sank it? How would you know/

Even if I were to sink it, NS would no doubt blame the Dutch due to the very obvious NS-Dutch relations. :)
If something happens, blame the Swiss. If you are the Swiss, blame the Dutch. ;D

Who would care what the New Swiss claimed? They are known liars. Goes the other way too. So a New Swiss was blown up. Big deal.

QuoteAs for your oil fired navy- NO TANKERS, no refueling at sea and your naval oil smokes. NOI oil doesn't

It's only 3000 nm to Japan. If the ship has the range (and it usually has when it goes slower), it can get there and refuel there. Japan has a 'C' rating for oil, enough to fulfill its naval needs. Handing fuel over to the NS ships would cut into my supply, but I could easily compensate that by either cutting down on naval operations and sorties or get some oil from my big Western Neighbour.

... of course, it should be obvious that the oil the Swiss would be getting would cost them an arm and a leg... and another arm and another leg...

... and maybe a head, too...

... and a torso...

As for the fact that his oil supposedly smokes and yours not, I would say that that is up to the moderators.

QuoteCoal in oil fired boilers!?!?!

Its reality. Some oil is sweet and some oil is sour, depending on what life died and was deposited in geologic processes to make it. Moderators should (I might ask)  at least pay some lip service to plausible Nverse geology and chemistry. Nations have to think about their resource limitations! I think a few can be simmed   

QuoteRepeat after me, KABOOM.

Yes, that is what you are trying to do. DF already stated that he has "no remaining coal fired navy ships". You seem quite determined to get him to use only coal in his fleet of oil fired ships...
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He suggested it, as an out, NOT me. ;D

Quote from: damocles on November 17, 2010, 11:20:45 PM
Look at your own charts AGAIN and what I published about NAVAL coal.

And what makes you an expert on fictional N-verse geography and the fact that a bunch of the stuff here isn't OTL? For all you know about N-verse geography in the New Swiss Indonesia, the oil could be on soil land, easily recoverable....

Quote from: damocles on November 17, 2010, 10:10:08 PM

The oil fields in East Indonesia were useless until after WW II. That is HARD ROCK drilling only recoverable with post 1950s tech.
     

Actually, the passage I quoted indicated that is not the case:
"Before the war, civilian oil companies had found oil in commercial quantities at the Klamono fields, but there had been little production other than that necessary to prove the discoveries."

Which would seem to mean that at the very least there is reasonable doubt, and that possibly you are incorrect.

And you really need to stop using All Caps. It's a form "Shouting". Saying something louder doesn't enhance you're argument at all. It annoys folks and encourages them to tune you out, or Shout back.  Additionally, it is annoying when you are using it to make categorical assertions that are contrary to some of the data presented.

As for coal, I don't believe there has been any delineation of who has hard coal and who has soft coal, or any effort to create different range modifiers based on the coal types. We pretty much just have "coal".

Ultimately, the fact that New Swizterland has an oil rating means they have oil. Which means much of this discussion is moot.

Quote from: Kaiser Kirk on November 18, 2010, 04:34:36 PM

Quote from: damocles on November 17, 2010, 10:10:08 PM

The oil fields in East Indonesia were useless until after WW II. That is HARD ROCK drilling only recoverable with post 1950s tech.
     

Actually, the passage I quoted indicated that is not the case:
"Before the war, civilian oil companies had found oil in commercial quantities at the Klamono fields, but there had been little production other than that necessary to prove the discoveries."

Which would seem to mean that at the very least there is reasonable doubt, and that possibly you are incorrect.

And you really need to stop using All Caps. It's a form "Shouting". Saying something louder doesn't enhance you're argument at all. It annoys folks and encourages them to tune you out, or Shout back.  Additionally, it is annoying when you are using it to make categorical assertions that are contrary to some of the data presented.

Quotehttp://www.gulfoilandgas.com/webpro1/MAIN/Mainnews.asp?id=11750

Please read the drill depths and through what type rock.

As for coal, I don't believe there has been any delineation of who has hard coal and who has soft coal, or any effort to create different range modifiers based on the coal types. We pretty much just have "coal".

Ultimately, the fact that New Swizterland has an oil rating means they have oil. Which means much of this discussion is moot.

1. All caps is a military typing habit to call attention to a bullet point. In this case. it was to point out a technical fact that only the US had the drill bits, (as previously mentioned. Incidentally that is still the case.

2. That has been shown as to who  has what type coal in the production tables presented so far. For example in this time period Australia has no "naval coal" but plenty of soft coal, for low order industrial processes. This would affect the production of steel armor in those days, for example.     

3. Chemistry is, geology is, physics is.

D.

Quote from: damocles on November 18, 2010, 06:02:09 PM
3. Chemistry is, geology is, physics is.

D.

True. However, the chemistry of the coal is irrelevant if all coal here is the same. The geology of the land is different here than in OTL. Physics is physics, can't really argue on that one.

Quote from: Sachmle on November 18, 2010, 09:33:12 PM
True. However, the chemistry of the coal is irrelevant if all coal here is the same. The geology of the land is different here than in OTL. Physics is physics, can't really argue on that one.

Well some things in physics can be argued, but you need to be going really fast (.2c or greater) or be super-tiny (>1 angstrom). Nether of which we have here so sort of a moot point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8qcccZy03s

I want the shirt that says that

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*holds Head*  Ouch that was an anoying little clip.....  The T-Shirts on the other hand do look cool....

Charles

(runs to plant tip in GF's ear)

A reminder.


The 3 moderators can elect to evaporate IRL oil/coal/wharever reserves.

Just to make the whole discussion about that moot.

Quote from: Desertfox on November 18, 2010, 10:19:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8qcccZy03s

That does not work.  ;D

Quote from: snip on November 18, 2010, 10:03:33 PM

Quote from: Sachmle on November 18, 2010, 09:33:12 PM
True. However, the chemistry of the coal is irrelevant if all coal here is the same. The geology of the land is different here than in OTL. Physics is physics, can't really argue on that one.

Well some things in physics can be argued, but you need to be going really fast (.2c or greater) or be super-tiny (>1 angstrom). Nether of which we have here so sort of a moot point.

You cannot argue that physics varies either. What you can argue is renormalization, and probability as the function collapses. The outcomes still remain subject to conservation, and symmetry whether QM or relativity.   

Changing the subject somewhat - Maoria wasn't listed in the previous Oil Reserves thread, but my assumption is, essentially, that my proven oil reserves are in Class C (Military Use Only), and speculative ones are essentially just enough to stay in that category for however long the game should last.

Fortunately, I also have respectable amounts of coal - even if it's low-grade sulfur-ridden crud - and the consequences of my own OOC fetish for renewable energy sources. So, the wheels of Maori Industry should turn even without The Juice. ^_^