The moderators are tired of the arguments over who belongs to what country.

Effectively immediately, all historical individuals - not already explicitly claimed by an N3 nation andnamed in a news post or a technical thread (ships/air/army/encyclopedia) - reside in whatever N3 nation their historical birthplace happens to be in.

These individuals will not subsequently relocate without the express consent of the moderators and, if from a PC nation, the person playing that nation.

All historical individuals claimed via the criteria listed above must be cited in a list of claimed historical personalities in the new owner's encyclopedia, within seven days of this posting, or their "ownership" will revert to the N3 nation enclosing their historical birthplace.  

That is all.

Approved and enforceable with all means and methodes available to the Moderators.

We hear and obey

We thank and praise.

Understood.

Yes sir. I've pretty much given up on finding any historical German people left since either ESC or Bavaria claim most of them, and the ones they don't Fox has already stolen appropriated.

Tex, Carth, do either of you have any designs on the Doble Brothers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doble_Steam_Car

My thinking is that they have been or are in the process of being bailed out of their financial troubles by a partnership with a Mayani chap name of Nome (not that that's unexpected, it's the most common surname in Maoria by a good margin) who wanted to match their technical expertise and patents to his own line of mass-production steam cars.

Yes Sir, Right Sir

No problemo  ;)

The Esc reserve its right to:
One Company;Albatros Fluegzeug werke
3 Personalities :
Alfred Wegener ,Scientist
Felix Edmundovitsj Dzerszinski(Head of Esc intelligence)
Adm Maximillian ,Graf Spee

Do you mean hooper?

As for me, I have no claim whatsoever on him.

Only one I have is a Czartoyski, born in Paris, lived in Krakow, and I cleared it with Maddox and Borys prior to using him.
I've rewritten my Zeppelin entry on my companies page to clarify it was founded by a different member of that family.

Gang, first of all there is a difference between trademarks, copyrights, and patents. All could be considered intellectual property, but they are of different significance in different situations. When talking about aircraft names, we'd be talking about trademark. When talking about aircraft designs, we may or may not be talking about patents. OTL you can't "copyright" an aircraft design, per sea, though you could copyright things like it's blueprints.

At any rate, the international law frameworks that exist OTL to protect intellectual property don't exist here. Even if we did have all the frameworks that existed OTL in 1918, that still wouldn't mean that a *nation* could sue a company in another nation. For that matter, in 1918 it probably would have been very difficult for a country in one nation to sue a country in another nation, unless one or both had legally incorporated in the country where the suit would be brought.

But most importantly, I don't want our humble enterprise here to turn into a simulator for international tort procedures. So from here on forth, here's how it works:

Aircraft names and design particulars are purely an exercise of creative expression on the part of the player. Since we don't have a cost effective way to sim our own designs, we're all perfectly well allowed to appropriate OTL designs and call them our own. Two nations might appropriate the same design. This is not a problem. The only real limitation here is that you should not try to pass off a design from (say) 1928 as having been built with the historical 1918 tech.

Now as far as what aircraft companies you nation might have operating within it's borders: I don't care. Just don't bicker about it. I encourage players to make up there own, as it will reduce bickering and adds flavor. The Guinness corollary to Rocky's pronouncement about claiming historical figure is this: if two or more players bickering over a historical figure or company annoys me, it will turn out that said historical figure or company never existed in the Nverse.

So let's please give this a rest.

QuoteWhen talking about aircraft designs, we may or may not be talking about patents. OTL you can't "copyright" an aircraft design, per sea, though you could copyright things like it's blueprints.

Looking at it, I believe that it would fall under the 'Paris Convention', but if one or neither country has signed something like that (which is very likely the case), there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it.

QuoteEven if we did have all the frameworks that existed OTL in 1918, that still wouldn't mean that a *nation* could sue a company in another nation.

Not sure if you read the same pieces as I did, but it clearly states that a company is sueing and not a nation. Also I don't know why Wright Aircraft is sueing Caproni as the design in question is a Curtis design and not a Wright design so there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it. :)

QuoteNow as far as what aircraft companies you nation might have operating within it's borders: I don't care. Just don't bicker about it. I encourage players to make up there own, as it will reduce bickering and adds flavor. The Guinness corollary to Rocky's pronouncement about claiming historical figure is this: if two or more players bickering over a historical figure or company annoys me, it will turn out that said historical figure or company never existed in the Nverse.

Not sure if you read the same pieces as I did, but I fail to see what this has to do with what is currently going on in this thread. I don't see anything in this thread that resembles an arguement as to who owns who or what.

I'm just trying to head off future madness.

EDIT: split this from http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=4440.0 and merged it here, as my pronouncement was really about future bickering over who's got whom.