Logi first of all it's nothing personal.  I said at the start that I had my own hopes for Burma and you beat me to the punch so to speak.  At the same time since my objective wasn't to do a military conquest but setup a patron / client relationship.  I knew that the RRC was going to be aggressive and per Maddox's request I turned Bharat into a nation run by religious lunatics; plus the Pacific in game has its own history of troubles.  As such I figured that Burma would be looking for some friends.  Your own aggressive stance I think neatly fit into my own plans to become a protector for Burma.  So I worked to inject myself into the situation.

Now as to not running an investigation Burma said they would like me to investigate but I had suggested a three nation neutral group.  I also wanted both sides to demobilize their armies.  RRC flat out refused to do so.  So there was no investigation to run because one of the prerequisites wasn't met. At the same time I was working to lay the ground work to prop up Burma by providing them arms, looking for allies for Burma, etc.  As part of this I was looking for my own diplomatic cover when I talked to my allies Rocky (GC), RAM (NUS), Peru (Jefgte) and Hapsburgs (Borys) and as part of the in character talks were fears for my Philippines territory.  Ask the other players Mikes #1 fear if he talks about Iberian defense issues is how to defend the Philippines vs. hostile attack.  Look at my infrastructure project 1914-1920 the single biggest set of items on it is a massive fortress and coast defense project for Luzon.  So when you came out with your Manifesto and its Asia for Asians bit it played to my worst IC fears. 

Speaking of your Manifesto I really liked it as a player and thought it was some great writing BUT its open to wide interpretation.  As you have noticed it upset a number of other nations besides Iberia.  I got a message from Rocky (GC) asking if I was declaring war before I even decided on declaring war.  His message caused me to look back at the manifesto and decide on the defensive war. 

Before this Logi my intention was to have fought something like a Proxy War.  I supply Burma to bleed you dry; your path of attack sucks and your logistical issues alone will be formidable let alone conducting actual combat.  So I think I have a real chance of stopping you; a direct attack from the East, West or even the sea would far better if you could.  At the right moment I then move to direct confrontation; have the Hapsburg troops and some of my own that will be transported to Burma move to join the fighting and the Armada steams off your coast.  This all followed up with a threat to back down or face an expanded war.       

If you have any other questions about what I am up to or why out of character please ask them.  I play navalism to have fun not to cause others grief.

Michael

Um, nothing personal taken?

I did not refuse to demobilize my army. I was willing to. What I was not willing to is for me, for some odd reason, to have to be the first to demobilize, I had assume Burma and the Republic of China were going to demobilize together at the same time. Read Guinness's post again, Burma demanded that the Republic of China demobilize first then have to be PROVEN to have demobilized. Yup, way to boss around a larger nation.

Protector of Burma, as I've said, the Republic of China sees this as a facade for controlling Burma.

Uh huh, ok. I really don't care for island fighting. Its not like I have such a large navy that I can do that.

I'm actually fine with expanded war. If you want to fight a long distance war, all the better for me. You can't bleed China dry, it'll bleed YOU dry first. I speak from history, you really can't bleed China dry simply because a) It's huge b) It got waaay more resources than you do c) You are fighting from a sea away, I'm fighting on my homeland.

Number two, you don't know my military strategy so please kindly refrain from commenting on it. Quite obviously I have not shared all the details with you.

And good luck streaming off my coast, your ships are going to be wasted, slowly sinking.

I know. I don't understand why people think I'm taking everything personally.

Just fight it our guys. It's alot more fun that way... ;D

QuoteArmada steams off your coast

Believe me, that is NOT a good idea. ;)

Logi I suggested RRC demobilize first.

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1)   The Reformist Republic of China stand down its military forces to a peace time level with respect to Burma.
2)   Once this stand down is begun the Kingdom of Burma do the same.
3)   That body be formed to determine the nature of the incident that provoked the crises in the first place.  Iberia suggests that three non involved parties be asked to form this body; Deutscher Kaiserreich Brandenburg and the Republic of France come to mind.  They are not involved and have holdings in the area so they should have more than a passing familiarity with both sides.  A third would be needed I should think.
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Its part of the exchange were Iberia has started to accuse the RRC of making things up.  Second from the bottom of this post.

http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=3794.msg41043#msg41043

As to WHY the RRC should have to START stand down first?  Its the large more powerful nation and Burma is claiming RRC is out to get them.   Burma can't very well take over the RRC.  Its not a question of prestige but of fear...

As to the rest we agree to disagree....  On your invasion route its called speculation.

Michael

QuoteAs to WHY the RRC should have to START stand down first?  Its the large more powerful nation and Burma is claiming RRC is out to get them.   Burma can't very well take over the RRC.  Its not a question of prestige but of fear...

Because the RRC shares a huge border witht he MK. Standing down is a dandy idea.

Quote from: Logi on May 13, 2009, 02:12:07 PM

QuoteAs to WHY the RRC should have to START stand down first?  Its the large more powerful nation and Burma is claiming RRC is out to get them.   Burma can't very well take over the RRC.  Its not a question of prestige but of fear...

Because the RRC shares a huge border witht he MK. Standing down is a dandy idea.

But what threat does Burma present to the RRC and at the same time what threat does the RRC present to Burma?  One is in rather a different weight class so to speak compared to the other.

Michael

It is not what threat the Burmese present to the RRC but rather what its other LARGER neighbors pose to the RRC. I could demobilize and then the MK would mobilize. I wouldn't demobilize first because of the threat this puts me at. Even small nations can make a big impact, especially when paired with other large nations in a joint attack against the RRC. And yes, I'm very paranoid.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean everyone ISN'T out to get you.  ;) :D ;) :D

Quote from: Logi on May 13, 2009, 06:39:25 PM
It is not what threat the Burmese present to the RRC but rather what its other LARGER neighbors pose to the RRC. I could demobilize and then the MK would mobilize. I wouldn't demobilize first because of the threat this puts me at. Even small nations can make a big impact, especially when paired with other large nations in a joint attack against the RRC. And yes, I'm very paranoid.

I can accept paranoid as a reason...

Michael