Blooded noticed that the current Coastal Fort rules use SS2 cost as for cost figures (was left there during one of the rules changes unintentionally), not the component cost one, could it be updated to fit the current rules?

I.e. Turret weight in BP, twice that in $ (as armament), and again the turret weight for installation. So a 300t turret would cost $0.9 and 0.3BP.

http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=135.0

I've updated the rules here: http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=135.msg1514#msg1514.

I understood the cost to be a little different though. In our 300t example:

$0.30 and 0.3BP for the cost of the gun(s), etc.
$0.30 and 0.3BP for the cost of emplacing it.
so that totals to be $0.6 and 0.6BP.
Upkeep would be based on the cost of the gun(s) only, so based on $0.30, using usual naval upkeep rules.

Is that not correct?

Besides that the gun+turret should cost $0.6, right.

Another example would be good.

12" Battery
Guns weight: 440 tons
Ammo weight: 142 Tons
Armor Weight: 233 Tons

What would cost/BP be Brand New?
What would cost/BP be if ALL the guns/armor were taken from old PreDreds?


A large problem is that barbettes cost/weigh nothing with the 0 freeboard system.

Personally I think Ammo should factor into the equation(as that makes the position larger and limits the ready ammo). Perhaps additional costs(x2?) for hard to build locations(sandspit or top of a cliff with no road or RR access). Also, 10% upcharge for relined used barrels, 20% for new barrels and to increase elevation,etc.?

All this had been brought up before, and I thought I had it all figured out ( I used the 'old' system and looked at Rocks CD costs- apparantly this is incorrect). If not, then Russia has a major problem as I have spent $60 and 20 or BP recently on Cds(all used and refitted).

BTW the reason this came up was because I was considering keeping the Kronstadt Cbbs for scrap and CDs, as their guns plus scrap would be worth $39 whereas the highest offer had been $34. P3D disagreed with my assessment.

We're working on a redrafting of this portion of the fortification rules now, in hope of making it more clear, etc. So stay tuned.

Quote from: guinness on April 17, 2009, 08:20:21 AM
We're working on a redrafting of this portion of the fortification rules now, in hope of making it more clear, etc. So stay tuned.

I'll take this opportunity to lobby for the new Citadel fort rules to get moved and some final call on Merchant marines.

Could we finalize this?

I have reworked my Cd costs for Russia, In the belief that it goes like this.

Guideline:
Refit Guns: 10% Gun cost
Refurb Guns/Turrets: 20% Gun/Armor cost($)
Guns/mounts: New Gun/Armor cost(Gun weightx2 + Armor Weight)=$  +  New Gun+Armor weight=BP
Install: Gun+Armor weight=$ and BP

Example- All New Guns and armor:
T-2 Coastal Fort(x2):

  2 356mm/45: Single Casemated Mounts-100mm/25mm
  2 75mm/50: Open Mounts(Refit)
  2 7.62mm Maxim MG Open Mounts

     New Guns: 347 Tons; New Armor: 76 Tons
     New Guns: $0.694/0.347BP  New Armor: $0.076/0.076BP  Install: $0.423/0.423BP
     Actual Cost: $1.193/0.846BP(each)
     Upkeep Cost(each-$0.694 Base): $0.035/$0.017/$0.003

Total Cost: $3.166/2.384BP     (Original Calculated Cost: $7.944/1.326BP)

Example #2: Old Guns and Refurbished turrets + a few new 3" guns and armor

A-1 Heavy Coastal Defence: x6

     2 305mm/40: Twin Turrets (Refurb) 254mm/140mm Armor
     4 75mm/50: Shielded Mount(Refit) 50mm Armor
     2 76.2mm AA Open Mount
     2 7.62mm Maxim MMG Casemate Mount(25mm Armor)
     2 7.62mm Maxim MMG Open Mount

     Old/New Guns: 439/4 Tons; Old/New Armor: 271/12 Tons
     Refit Guns/Refurb Turret: $0.044/0.054  New Guns/Armor: $0.020/0.016BP  Install: $0.726/0.726BP
     Actual Cost: $0.844/0.742BP(each)
     Upkeep Cost(each-$0.886 Base): $0.044/$0.022/$0.004

Total Cost: $5.064/4.452BP     (Original Calculated Cost: $7.404/2.25BP)

Is this correct?