July 1, 1901

Peace conference to take place on August 15


His Imperial Majesty, Franz Maxmillian III has announced that a special peace conference at sea will take place this coming August at a location midway between the country of the New Swiss and the Middle Kingdom of China. In an effort to bring to an end the terrible and bloody war between those two powers, his Imperial Majesty has offered to send a small squadron of warhips to act as a neutral meeting ground, where both sides can honorably air their differences and hopefully come to a peaceful resolution of this conflict.

The Austrian imperial Battleship Tegetthoff, flagship of the home fleet, will lead this mission. The renowned imperial advisor, Sir Heinrich Kissengerich, will lead the imperial peace delegation. Two scout crusiers, the [/I]Guard and the Pioneer will be temporarily detached from their regular duties to act as escorts. The entire squadron will be painted white as a symbol of hope and peaceful intentions. The public is invited to attend the departure of this mission of peace.
   
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Posted: Mar 6 2006, 05:47 AM


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OOC:thats before NSS Justise blowing up and spain going to war.The same day that the ultimatum was give.

IC Spain will be represented By Ambasador Grzegorz Brzenczyszczykiewicz.That is on rout on the cruiser Corrida
   
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August 15, 1901

Peace conference begins at sea, full and frank exchanges of views begins


From our special correspondent via wireless relay from friendly ships.


Today Dr.Heinrich Kissengerich began negotiations at sea aboard the imperial battlehsip Tegethoff in the hope of bringing an honorble and lasting peace to the sides involved in the New Swiss / Middle Kingdom conflict. Negotions are described as involving a "full and frank exchange of views" All delegations are approaching these talks in a serious manner. Outstanding issues seem to revolve around the fate of the islands of Taiwan and Hainan, claimed with great vigor by both sides.

Further information is expected in a few days.


Courtesy visit to Zanzibar

In other news, it has been announced that ships from our Africa squadron, led by the Battleship Kaiser will visit the port of Zanzibar for a friendly and peaceful visit with our 'African neighbors, the NKB.
   
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August 22, 1901

Peace fleet attacked, Tegethoff damaged,

From our correspondents at sea.

Ships belonging to an unknown power attacked the peace fleet. They flew no flag and opened fire while claiming to be a French convoy bringing much needed supplies. They came as armed merchant crusiers with a large number of small speedboats which carried torpedoes. Three such merchant ships were sunk by the combined efforts of the peace fleet along with 35 of the speedboats.

Regretabbly, several ships of the peace fleet suffered varying degrees of damage. Like pirates of old, a large number of these unknown attackers attempted to board Tegethoff, but were repelled by the crew in hand to hand combat. During the fighting one of these disguised freighters blew up next to our gallant battleship, causing severe damage.

Tegethoff is enroute to French indo china for repairs. The peace conference will continue at the Governors palace of Dutch indo china.

Sept. 5, 1901

Peace in the Pacific

From the imperial press secretary.

The imperial palace is pleased to announce the conclusion of a peace treaty ending the state of war between New Switzerland and the Middle Kingdom. Both sides as well as observers from neutral and allied countries will arrive at the imperial palace in Vienna on the first of November to sign this historic accord. The details of the treaty as announced by the imperial foreign ministry, are reproduced below:


1. All cities on the Mainland of the Middle Kingdom to revert to the control of the Middle Kingdom, exclusively.

2. New Switzerland shall maintain exclusive control of Korea, Taiwan, and Hainan.

3. All prisoners will be released to their respective homelands.

4. All claims for reparations will be dropped.

5. A 7 year non-aggression pact will be in force. Both sides will refrain from provoding the other.

6. Both sides will agree to a voluntary population transfer. Chinese citizens in New Swiss territory will be allowed to leave unmolested if they so desire. New Swiss citizens in Chinese territory will also be allowed to leave if they so desire. Time allowed for this population transfer to be 6 months.

7. Both sides will respect each others territorial boundaries. Both sides will not send armed ships into each others territorial waters.

8. All other matters to be decided at future conferences.


His imperial majesty is most pleased at the successful result of the peace talks. Austria hopes this accord will serve as the first step to a more peaceful world.
   
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October 10, 1901

Major naval exercises to begin soon

The imperial naval ministry has announced the first joint excercises between Austria's home fleet and African Squadron. The home fleet will sortie to join the Africa squadron for joint maneuvers beginning Nov. 1. Names and units of the ships involved are given below. The maneuvers will emphasize fleet tactics and gunnery practice.




BB Franz Josef (flagship) (Tegethoff class)
BB Jan Sobiewski (Tegethoff class)

AC Vienna (Vienna class)
AC Graz
AC Trieste

CL Gravaman
CL Maxmillian
CL Mary Trieste
CL Ferdinand
CL Empress Elizabeth
CL Empress Josephine

12 x DD 1-12


Africa squadron: home ported at colony

BB Kaiser (flagship) (kaiser class)
BB Hapsburg
AC Buda
AC Strassburg
SC dragoon
SC hussar
SC danube
SC nightwatch
10 x DD 13-23
   
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Posted: Apr 13 2006, 10:31 PM


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Official notice

The following ad is from the imperial Austrian naval ministry

Travelers intending to embark on voyages in the pacific ocean between the Middle Kingdom and New Switzerland are hereby notified of the existence of a naval neutrality patrol consisting of warships from Austria and Russia, which will patrol the waters between these two nations to monitor and enforce the recently signed peace treaty.

All ships of all nationalities are hereby advised that in accordance with standard marintime law, Austria announces her intention to stop and search all ships moving within these waters to verify their non hostile status. Upon receipt of a wireless or visual flag or visual light signal to stop and receive a boarding party, all ships must stop engines and allow a boarding party to board and inspect your ship. If no weapons are found the ship involved will be allowed to proceed. If weapons are found the ship will be escorted to a neutral port for further examination.

Travelers are strongly cautioned:

Any vessel, regardless of nationality, which behaves in a threatening manner, defined here as pointing weapons of any kind at an Austrian vessel or twice refusing orders to stop, will be subject to destruction without further warning.

Travelers are further cautioned:

A state of tension currently exists between Austria and her allies and New Switzerland and her allies. Hostilities may erupt in the waters around New Switzerland and in adjacent international waters without warning. If hostilities erupt, ships moving to or from New Switzerland will do so at their own risk.

Imperial Austrian Naval Ministry.
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IC New switzerland must protest this measure. The stopping of Ships of one Nation by Ships of another nation in International Waters when both nations are at peace is considered Piracy. New switzerland will fight piracy with all means possible. Also the enforcement by force of a voluntary agreement of two nations by a third nation is adding insult to injury.

No Swiss ship will stop under any reason in International Waters.

OOC It was exacly this thing which led to the Matterhorn incident. Also what exacly would be "Chinese" waters? Does it include what I hold right now? If so how in the world am I going to evacute the Chinese lands when I cant move thru the sea? Fly? How are the Austrians going to mantain a patrol on the other side of the world from Austria?
   
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OOC,

if the Habsburgers can get their ships provided and the crews happy, they can try to do what they promise.
The Russian harbor of Port Arthur isn't that far away. And the Russians did agree to do the blockading jointly.
The Middle Kingdom already agreed on the Habsburger proposal and is welcoming the ships of the blockade fleet.

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Posted: Apr 14 2006, 05:20 PM


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There won't be any Austrian capital ships patrolling around China for a while. Half of the Habsburg fleet will have exercises in Africa, and I don't think sending the remainder of the Home fleet away would be a really good idea.
   
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BY treaty the Russians cant assist the Austrians, and neither can the Dutch or Germans. Ironically the Chinese may be prevented for the same reason (non Aggression Treaty). And neither the French or Spanish seem to like the Austrian proclamation. So that leaves the Austrians...Siam?
   
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(OOC: Again this is a point of view issue. From the Austrian point of view this is simply a means of keeping the peace between two peoples that hate each other. They don't see any favoratism in the blockade save that the Swiss protest quickly and the Chinese welcome the forces. The Austrians would do well to distance themselves from Chinese Propaganda, and their fleet. The Russians do have a non-aggression pact with I think both hostile parties and they are not suppose to get involved in actions that get in the way of either party...supporting a "blockade" goes against the treaty. Maintainin a peace keeping force that is not suppose to engage or support either side migh not fall under the treaty, but its a grey area that can easily be crossed. The Swiss are correct that actions against their vessels can be viewed as an act of piracy and war. This is why Rohan is not joining this effort but was willing to maintian a protectorate of the islands...the islands would have been agreed to by both parties, this blockade/peacekeeper force was not. Nationalism is high in this day and age and there has yet to be any global over all power (other than maybe France) and certainly no League of Nations or United Naions type forces. So what the Austrians are trying to dangerous, and if they follow the letter of their intentions rather than get caught up in one side or the other, they will make a powerful statement to the world. I just don't see it working by the very nature of the conflict. The Chinese have no need to ship anything and the Swiss everything...so this action effects the Swiss almost entirely. The Swiss are suppose to go to China with ships to bring back forces and materials.

My question, will the inspections be for ships going into China only and not Swiss ships coming out of China? I doubt any Chinese ships will be going to any Swiss lands so you won't need forces their really.
   
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Posted: Apr 15 2006, 10:28 PM


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Austria is simply trying to enforce a peace treaty that both New Switzerland and the Middle Kingdom willingly signed. The neutrality patrol does not begin until Jan. 1, 1902. The peace treaty was signed Sept 1, 1901. New Switzerland has a very leisurely 180 days to evacutate their personnel from Chinese territory since the treaty specifically allows that. That should be plenty of time. As for infrastructure, let me remind the new swiss exactly what it is they willingly agreed to.

Once again, for the record:

1. All cities on the Mainland of the Middle Kingdom to revert to the control of the Middle Kingdom, exclusively.

2. New Switzerland shall maintain exclusive control of Korea, Taiwan, and Hainan.

3. All prisoners will be released to their respective homelands.

4. All claims for reparations will be dropped.

5. A 7 year non-aggression pact will be in force. Both sides will refrain from provoding the other.

6. Both sides will agree to a voluntary population transfer. Chinese citizens in New Swiss territory will be allowed to leave unmolested if they so desire. New Swiss citizens in Chinese territory will also be allowed to leave if they so desire. Time allowed for this population transfer to be 6 months.

7. Both sides will respect each others territorial boundaries. Both sides will not send armed ships into each others territorial waters.

8. All other matters to be decided at future conferences.

The neutrality patrol will ensure both sides adhere to the treaty. Please note that infrastructure is NOT included in the treaty. As far as I am concerned, the New Swiss are entitled to remove every one who wishes to leave. They have from Sept. 1 until March 1 to do so. The neutral patrol will not interfere with that, and indeed will make sure the middle kingdom does not interfere either. Dismantling and shipping out factories or resources is a different matter, and one that is NOT included in the treaty. The same applies to the Middle Kingdom, for the record.

Now, I intend to make sure both sides abide by what they agreed to abide by, and thats all. I intend to make sure the evacutation of personnel moves smoothly, and that both sides do not violate each others territorial waters, as that is defined by standard naval practice of this time. In short, I intend to enforce this peace treaty since the alternative seems to be letting a new war start before the ink is dry.

It will take me until Jan. 1 to get forces there and get them organized. I will home port them out of port arthur since the Russians have agreed to join me in this. As I have posted in the ad, I am officially notifying everyone exactly what I am doing. As for the right to stop and search merchant ships, having had some bad experiences with armed merchant crusiers this is a sensible precaution, nothing more.






   
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PART 5 – NON-COMMERCIAL SERVICES

Article II. The Russian Empire and United States of New Switzerland & New South Wales agree not to provide facilities for refueling, repairing and the maintenance of the other nation's ships, even they are allies. This, however, doesn't applied on friendly visits of the Navies of other States and merchant shipping.
Just remember that Ive had a bad experience with merchant ships beign stoped by warships. Think Launceston. Also 180 days might not be enough to remove som 4 million discontent civlians bent on fighting Chinese.
   
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November 16, 1901

Rohan writes this as a formal protest of the actions of the Hapsburg Empire and Russian Empire. While the goals of the stated intensions of the interventionist forces is admirable, the legality of such an effort and the manner in which it is to be carried out has much to be desired. Upholding a treaty is one thing, punishing nations that have not lost in war and potentially violating their sovereign rights should not be up to a third party.

While "for the record" states that the intervention applies to both sides, the Middle Kingdom has no need to send ships across international waters, they have no troops in current New Swiss territory, and they have no people in Swiss lands. This intervention effects the country of New Switzerland for all intents and purposes and is highly discouraged by Theocro King of Rohan.

Should this intervention succeed without incident, Rohan will be highly impressed in the Austrian's skill and the Swiss's patience. Rohan would suggest the Swiss Government do its upmost to get as much accomplished before Fellowship Day.

The Kingdom of Rohan would remind the Empire of the Hapsburgs that while the treaty does not specify that the industrical materials were to be removed, it also does not state that they are to be left behind. Your intervention is designed to prevent a war...don't go starting one by taking people's livelihoods away from them. Your mission is to stop weapons and troops from entering the Mainland from Swiss lands, and troops and arms from the Mainland from reaching Swiss lands to attacl said lands....nothing more if your mission be true to its purpose. Stopping Swiss civilian ships and Swiss transports leaving the Middle Kingdom are not your concern if they don't have Middle Kingdom troops or arms on the vessels.

That is what Rohan has to say on this matter.
   
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The Orange Republic advises both the Russian and Habsburg Empires than any neutrality patrol, accepting its questionable legitimacy, will not have any authority over how the Swiss will evacuate their former holdings on the Chinese mainland. Moreover, Austria should not read more into the treaty than it actually holds.

They might have the authority to stop ships if there is a strong suspicion that thet smuggle weapons to those cities. However, there are already enough weapons on the land, in the hands of the NS troops currently stationed there, and no one is foolish to distrobute guns among civilians who are going to be evacuated.

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The official declaration of Russian Empire concerning the Peace patrol

The obligations of Russian part at the Peace Patrol is following:
1. To sweep out all mined zones at the Yellow sea. A brigade of fast minesweepers and destroyes are on the way
2. To protect self and friendly merchant shipping (including NS and MK) from any piracy at the area (remember ACM attack as an example of provocation)
3. To show the flag of the country as element of Far East policy

Russia would not stop every ship at the international waters, only those which are going without flag of the country or if there are some suspicions of contrabande goods. Russia will not affect, provoce or answer any battle, which may be given by the suspicious ships.
Russia will patrol 30 mile area around Lianing peninsula and 60 miles area at the Japanese sea. Russia will stand uts stationeers at the MK ports, if MK authorities ask about it.

Russia is not going to step out any treaty, concluded with the states at the area.
   
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From the Tsungli-Yamen, foreigner's date of September 13th 1901 :

The Empress-Mother and Government of the Middle Kingdom, despite tremendous injury and humiliation, are most serious about keeping up the Peace Treaty. No Middle Kingdom vessels of war would approach New Swiss Quizi islands, there is no imminent invasion if fools would think so. A word given under the Heavens is sacred.
As stated before, the Peacekeeping International Fleet is welcome in Middle Kingdom harbours for recoaling and resupply, even for the much-needed entertainment of personell. At the risk of inviting in yet new foreign forces the Middle Kingdom agrees to allow Russia to install small offices in our harbours for the time being of the Peace Treaty enforcement.
The Middle Kingdom is aware of the time needed to evacuate the New Swiss Quizi but urges to expedite said evacuation since winter is approaching. We would not want civilians to suffer the high and cold dangerous seas of winter, yet they should be home in time for planting their new crops.
   
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As long as Russian ports arent open to Austrian "peacekeeping" ships NS will have no problem with the Russians.

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The Middle Kingdom is aware of the time needed to evacuate the New Swiss Quizi but urges to expedite said evacuation since winter is approaching. We would not want civilians to suffer the high and cold dangerous seas of winter, yet they should be home in time for planting their new crops.
While NS is doing all in its power, evacuating some 4 million civilians is not an easy task, and might require more than 6 months.
   
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In the interests of peace, Austria will make the following concessions: Although in no way does Austria sanction the looting of provinces, Austria nevertheless will not interfere with New Swiss shipping, unless such ships act in a hostile manner, here defined as aiming or training weapons on an Austrian ship, moving at a high speed towards an Austrian ship, or issuing threats via signal flag, visual light or wireless. Austria retains her right to open fire in such circumstances.

As per the terms of the peace treaty, armed ships of either side are not permitted within the territorial waters of the other. Armed ships of either side attempting to enter the territorial waters of the other will be escorted out of such waters. Merchant ships of all nationalities suspected of smuggling weapons or traveling without displaying a national flag are subject to being stopped and searched.

This is as far as Austria will go. I am being more than reasonable. I will not fire the first shot. Anyone firing at one of my ships WILL regret it.


OOC: Russia has already offered me porting privelidges at port aruthur and I have accepted.
   
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Although in no way does Austria sanction the looting of provinces,
Looting? I dont see no looting. tongue.gif

We have to define what is territorial waters, otherwise we might get into some scraps. And we have to decide what would happen if for example: Spanish warships enter Chinese waters, would I be able to follow them there? Wait 24 hrs? Etc? (in case of war)

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OOC: Russia has already offered me porting privelidges at port aruthur and I have accepted.
Unfortunately that is a clear violation of the Swiss-Russian Treaty of Non Aggresion. So Russia must either renounce its invitation or break a treaty. Which Russia is unwilling to do:
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Russia is not going to step out any treaty, concluded with the states at the area.
   
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Desertfox!

The invitation of austrian ships could not be seen as violation of the treaty. See Part 5, artcle II of our Treaty: The Russian Empire and United States of New Switzerland & New South Wales agree not to provide facilities for refueling, repairing and the maintenance of the other nation?s ships, even they are allies. This, however, doesn?t applied on friendly visits of the Navies of other States and merchant shipping.

By the way, NS violates the treaty so many times, that it is not correct to her diplomats to notice the violations of the Russians.
Remember the beginning of the Treaty? Part 3, article I: The high contracting parties declare their desire to preserve peace and resist aggression in the Far East region. and further more (about your Triple alliance): both party's shall not participate in any grouping of Powers whatsoever that is directly or indirectly aimed at the other party.

Should I continue?

   
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Desert Fox:

Well, OK, how are territorial waters defined in this sim? AFAIK, in the OTL, territorial waters were a 12 mile limit, that being defined rather loosely as the maximum range a shore based gun could fire, IIRC. So, are we going with that, or a 20 mile limit, a 50 mile exclusion zone, or what? Anyone want to take a stab at a workable definition we all can agree on?

As for allied ships, the middle kingdom can invite whomever they like into their waters, just as you can with yours, as long as everyone is at peace. Once war breaks out all bets are off. The only limit is that you and the chinese cant send ships into each others territory, and I suppose that also goes for your respective allies if you want it to.

As for basing rights, and treaties, well Russia has answered that question.

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We had at topic about International law.
Ww have agree that the teritorial waters are from 5 to 20 miles.
We also agree what we view as piracy.
   
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I wouldnt consider it to be a "friendly" visit, since the Austrians intend to use it as a base.

And NS hasnt broken the treaty. I might have gotten close but I havent broken it.

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Remember the beginning of the Treaty? Part 3, article I: The high contracting parties declare their desire to preserve peace and resist aggression in the Far East region.
It was China who started the war.

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and further more (about your Triple alliance): both party's shall not participate in any grouping of Powers whatsoever that is directly or indirectly aimed at the other party.
The Triple Alliance was in no ways aimed at Russia. On the other hand...

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The Agreement of Barselona
Russo-Spanish Peace and Trade Pact

PART 2 - FAR EAST FOREIGN POLICY

Article II. The High Contracting Parties agree not to barke the unspable peace at the region and to prevent it by all means.

Article III. The High contracting powers shoul help each other if the third states declare a war to one of parites.
Does this mean that Russia will aid Spain in a Spanish-Swiss war?

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Well, OK, how are territorial waters defined in this sim? AFAIK, in the OTL, territorial waters were a 12 mile limit, that being defined rather loosely as the maximum range a shore based gun could fire, IIRC. So, are we going with that, or a 20 mile limit, a 50 mile exclusion zone, or what? Anyone want to take a stab at a workable definition we all can agree on
Well right NS consideres territorial waters to be at 3 miles.

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As for allied ships, the middle kingdom can invite whomever they like into their waters, just as you can with yours, as long as everyone is at peace. Once war breaks out all bets are off. The only limit is that you and the chinese cant send ships into each others territory, and I suppose that also goes for your respective allies if you want it to
Yup but if there is a war going on she has to either intern the ships for the duration of the war or allow them only 24 hrs once every three months.
   
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I wouldnt consider it to be a "friendly" visit, since the Austrians intend to use it as a base.


It depends on my official declaration. So, I declare it is a friendly visit. The Austrian ships may have an achor stop at Port Arthur or Dalian.

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Remember the beginning of the Treaty? Part 3, article I: The high contracting parties declare their desire to preserve peace and resist aggression in the Far East region.


It was China who started the war.


It is not detected for sure. But you should prevent it by all means, according to the Treaty, isn't it?

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and further more (about your Triple alliance): both party's shall not participate in any grouping of Powers whatsoever that is directly or indirectly aimed at the other party.

The Triple Alliance was in no ways aimed at Russia. On the other hand...


from any hand you have grouped more than two powers at the region. It is violates the Treaty.

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The Agreement of Barselona
Russo-Spanish Peace and Trade Pact

PART 2 - FAR EAST FOREIGN POLICY

Article II. The High Contracting Parties agree not to barke the unspable peace at the region and to prevent it by all means.

Article III. The High contracting powers shoul help each other if the third states declare a war to one of parites.


Does this mean that Russia will aid Spain in a Spanish-Swiss war?


If NS starts the war against Spain, Russia will help Spain. What kind of support it be depends on theater of war and interests of Russia there.
But I hope there will be peace there. And Russia will have a discussions about it with Spain.
Don't start the war, work on your own prosperity and be wise.

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Yup but if there is a war going on she has to either intern the ships for the duration of the war or allow them only 24 hrs once every three months.


Who have topd you such a stupid thing? Internation of foreign ships possible by the third parties at the area and only at the time of active movements of the fighting parties. Third parties should intern any ship of the parties at war. What ships and how often to allow is the desision of Middle Kingdom, not yours, if another statement is not signed at your Treaty.
   
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from any hand you have grouped more than two powers at the region. It is violates the Treaty.
It was a South Pacific alliance while Russia is in the North Pacific. It couldnt in any way treathen Russia.

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If NS starts the war against Spain, Russia will help Spain. What kind of support it be depends on theater of war and interests of Russia there.
But I hope there will be peace there. And Russia will have a discussions about it with Spain.
Don't start the war, work on your own prosperity and be wise.
While the Austrian problem might fall into a grey area, this cleqarly constitutues a violation of:
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PART 6 – NON-AGRESSION PACT AGREEMENTS

Article II. Should one of the High Contracting Parties become the object of belligerent action by a third Power, the other High Contracting Party shall in no manner lend its support to this third Power.


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Who have topd you such a stupid thing? Internation of foreign ships possible by the third parties at the area and only at the time of active movements of the fighting parties. Third parties should intern any ship of the parties at war. What ships and how often to allow is the desision of Middle Kingdom, not yours, if another statement is not signed at your Treaty.
Thats what happened. During war raiders where limited to 24hrs when visiting a neutral port otherwise they where interned. China being neutral would have to follow these measeures.
   
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It was a South Pacific alliance while Russia is in the North Pacific. It couldnt in any way treathen Russia.


I'm not sure that one day your Alliance turn your weapon toward Russia. And as far as DKB has its own posessions right at the borders of Russia, and NS interferes at the businesses of the other countries at the region, I'm not sure you all will start the agression toward Russia. That's why your Triple Alliance wiolates our Treaty.

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While the Austrian problem might fall into a grey area, this cleqarly constitutues a violation of:
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PART 6 ? NON-AGRESSION PACT AGREEMENTS

Article II. Should one of the High Contracting Parties become the object of belligerent action by a third Power, the other High Contracting Party shall in no manner lend its support to this third Power.


There's no any belligerence toward you at the Austrian actions. Moreower, Russia at this situation does not support any third power, but acts by her own trying to protect her suverenity and sequre.

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hats what happened. During war raiders where limited to 24hrs when visiting a neutral port otherwise they where interned. China being neutral would have to follow these measeures.


Who is the raiders? ACM is raiders. Others are trying to protect you and MK of them and yours. And this will be till the Treaty between NS and MK appeares at the Treaties section of the board.
   
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I'm not sure that one day your Alliance turn your weapon toward Russia. And as far as DKB has its own posessions right at the borders of Russia, and NS interferes at the businesses of the other countries at the region, I'm not sure you all will start the agression toward Russia. That's why your Triple Alliance wiolates our Treaty.
The DKB doesnt have ANY possesions near Russia, and the Alliance would only go into effect if one member is attacked. It isnt ofeensive but defensive.

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There's no any belligerence toward you at the Austrian actions. Moreower, Russia at this situation does not support any third power, but acts by her own trying to protect her suverenity and sequre.
I wasnt talking about the Austrians but about the Spanish and teh Barcelona Treaty.

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Who is the raiders? ACM is raiders. Others are trying to protect you and MK of them and yours. And this will be till the Treaty between NS and MK appeares at the Treaties section of the board
I was talking of the historical raiders from WWI and WWII.
   
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Posted: Apr 18 2006, 09:36 AM


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Any way spain will not declere war or/and attack the New Swiss.
Spain is content with the turn of events the war is over and level of stability that is curently present in the pacific is viewed a satisfacionary.
   
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The DKB doesnt have ANY possesions near Russia, and the Alliance would only go into effect if one member is attacked. It isnt ofeensive but defensive.

I have the right to be not sure as you have. By the way, see the map, near Kurlies is the yellow round - that's the DKB. They may have their bases at that isles. ^)

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I wasnt talking about the Austrians but about the Spanish and teh Barcelona Treaty.


You should notice 2 statements:
1. Russia and Spain agreed to discuss any important movement a the Far East Region.
2. Russia would not like to violate the treaties with parties at the region.

So, (here goes you right conclusion, that if you does not start the war, there would not be the war).

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I was talking of the historical raiders from WWI and WWII.


Any way, don't be afraid. Nobody treates you by now ^)

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Any way, don't be afraid. Nobody treates you by now ^)


I beg to differ.....
   
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Posted: Apr 18 2006, 10:10 AM


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QUOTE (Maddox @ Apr 18 2006, 03:48 PM)
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Any way, don't be afraid. Nobody treates you by now ^)


I beg to differ.....

HEHEHE
Yeah
But from my sode I will not be the one that will start shooting.
Any way Orange and New Swiss vs Spain war is still a posibility.

Before the peace talk and the Swamphen leaving the sim.
The war looked like this.

Middle Kingdom,Spain vs Orange and New Swiss.

Any way Its looks like there will not be a war.

PS the best part of that roleplay was my quest to find allies.
Too bad that it all was via PM's and no one will everknow how that went.
   
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Well right NS consideres territorial waters to be at 3 miles.


And the Middle Kingdom happens to consider territorial waters to be 20 miles. With the exception of the waters around Hainan where my peninsula comes too close to the island.

In any case, the International Fleet is invited inside Middle Kingdom territorial waters, by the Middle Kingdom, to ensure a peaceful and safe evacuation of the New Swiss Quizi from the Middle Kingdom mainland towards their home isles. The Middle Kingdom fleet prefers to keep away from those shipping routes, for the sake of peace, taking up her ancient duties as pirate-raiders elsewhere.
   
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Well the Swiss-Russian answer is simple. Don't renew the non-aggression pact in 1903.

The nation of the Swiss are, partly by themselves and partly by the PR of others, like person non grata in the international community. The Triple (Quadruple) Alliance is pretty much dead before its first action. They've managed to anger nearly everyone they have a treaty with and most of their neighbors. They have a a few "friends" left, but even those are wary of the Swiss's intentions.

The Swiss probably need to stop playing in the international field and focus in internal issues that will bring the other nations of the world to them in a friendly manner, or at least try to form better relations with other nations (without resorting to historical situations that have not happened yet, as some of them may not happen so using them as reference in game won't help at all....like the international law thing...since their isn't any or many at all).

Other nations have also left others wary of their intentions, but not as often or to so many nations. If the model the Swiss are trying to immulate the United States of America, then they should be more isolationist...this doesn't work well when you are trying to gain treaties and alliances and annoying your neighbors....more or less they would be telling everyone to leave them to their own affairs and focus on their own matters at hand. Unfortunately the positioning of New Switzerland and its States and Territories doesn't allow for isolationism as they have too many borders and sealanes.

This is my point of view. Rohan is attempting to give them the benefit of the doubt but it gets harder and harder with each passing incident.

Now, what are the Austrians doing?
   
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Well I was trying to be isolitionist but its impossible. I would have ignored China for all I was concerned, I had bigger fish to fry. But China brought everything up and it ended in war. Then when I was ignoring the Spanish and hoped to form an alliance with them, they jump in on the Chinese side. I simpy cant ignore someone attacking my merchants especially when NS is based on commerce.

Also if you take a good look at all the crisis Ive been thru you'll notice that most are a result of foreign interferance. Only Clipperton can be firmly traced to me.

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I have the right to be not sure as you have. By the way, see the map, near Kurlies is the yellow round - that's the DKB. They may have their bases at that isles. ^)
Oh, That. What the hell are they doing over there anyway?

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You should notice 2 statements:
1. Russia and Spain agreed to discuss any important movement a the Far East Region.
2. Russia would not like to violate the treaties with parties at the region.

So, (here goes you right conclusion, that if you does not start the war, there would not be the war).
I wish someone had put that type of preassure on China. Pretty much Im beign threatened that if I start a war with Spain, Russia is going to help her, in total disregard for the Treaty.

Oh well...
   
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I have the right to be not sure as you have. By the way, see the map, near Kurlies is the yellow round - that's the DKB. They may have their bases at that isles. ^)
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Oh, That. What the hell are they doing over there anyway?


I assumed that was something that was going to happen during the war, but things got so drawn out that it didn't get there...I think...they DKB might not really be their as of yet, and might not now that the "war" is over. If someone can get a hold of Swamphen and ask him what that was that would be fine.
   
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I know a part of Swamphens plans, and the best way not to get his leaving into the game is to let DKB sink in isolationism, untill we know for sure Swamphen won't return at all.

For now, Nobody gives home in the DKB.
   
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Posted: Apr 18 2006, 10:41 PM


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Ithekro:

Austria is organizing her neutrality patrol, as follows starting Jan. 1, 1902.


Home base for this operation: Port Arthur.
Forces Deployed: will discuss in future post.
Operation orders:

1. Units will help supervise evacuation of New Swiss personnel and (gritting my teeth here) equipment and infrastructure from Chinese territory. If desired and appropriate, units will assist Chinese personnel withdrawing from New Swiss territory, if any.
2. Units will answer any and all distress calls regardless of nationality or location. Appropriate governments will be notified of such calls and actions by the most efficient means.
3. New Swiss and neutral shipping will not be interfered with, providing such shipping flies the appropriate national flags. Ships suspected of smuggling weapons will be stopped and searched.
4. Ships that act in a threatenting manner, defined as training or pointing weapons at an Austrian ship, moving at a high (combat) speed towards an Austrian ship, or issuing threats via signal flag, visual light or wireless, will be fired on.
5. Warships from either belligerent are expected to refrain from entering the territorial waters of the other. If any such ships do enter forbidden water, my fleet units will escort warships from either belligerent out of the territorial waters of the others. For purposes of fairness, territorial waters are defined as waters within 20 miles of the shore of the country involved, unless circumstances dictate otherwise.
6. Fleet units will assist in minesweeping if asked, though I prefer to leave such things to dedicated minesweepers.




   
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Posted: Apr 18 2006, 10:47 PM


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Neutrality patrol OOB:
Normally, both task forces will operate together.

Task force one:

BB Franz Josef (flagship) (Tegethoff class)
BB Jan Sobiewski (Tegethoff class)

AC Vienna (Vienna class)
AC Graz same
AC Trieste same

CL Gravaman
CL Maxmillian
CL Mary Trieste
CL Ferdinand
CL Empress Elizabeth
CL Empress Josephine

12 x DD 1-12


Task force two:

BB Kaiser (flagship) (kaiser class)
BB Hapsburg (kaiser class)
AC Buda (vienna class)
AC Strassburg (vienna class)
SC dragoon
SC hussar
SC danube
SC nightwatch
10 x DD 13-23
   
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Holy chalupas! ohmy.gif The South China Sea will be very, very crowded.

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4. Ships that act in a threatenting manner, defined as training or pointing weapons at an Austrian ship, moving at a high (combat) speed towards an Austrian ship, or issuing threats via signal flag, visual light or wireless, will be fired on.
Just remember there is a war going on, your ships might receive some unwanted attention.
   
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Posted: Apr 19 2006, 12:17 AM


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Well the hopes are that the Spanish ships in the area will have Hapsburg silhouettes and hopefully the Swiss will have them as well. As long as flags are clearly shown, their should be no problems. Failure to display ones national colours when entering into battle is frowned on in general in all forms of naval warfare since way back. The only acceptible reason for doing this is for privateers and pirates. (In real world history its been said some nations would fly the wrong flag to get close to an enemy, this is usually frowned on as being too much like a pirate, but war is war.) The Spanish would do well to get their ships out of Middle Kingdom Waters quickly before January. One so they can defend their own lands, and two to not make matters worse than they already are (no one wants a multiple front war if they can help it).
   
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Posted: Apr 19 2006, 12:24 AM


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Greater Napoleon and the 10 sloops "Les Intrepides" are also on the prowl in the vincinity. Like skirting along the MK and Dutch coastal waters.

The Indochina fleet is dispursed between Indochina, Sri Lanka and Polynesia.

But the first of the Dantons will be send there too.
   
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Hopefully Rohan's little force will be hunting farther south than that. Hunting for a ACM pirate director. But that's a battleship and up to three combat cruisers plus at least one collier (armed) with a second likely.
   
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Posted: Apr 19 2006, 07:37 AM


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In any case, the Russians have the list of MK harbours where they can put an office (administration, resupplies...) and rest their ships and crews. The MK navy stays away from the area between Xiamen and Qingdao/Yantai (making it rather difficult for our fleet to visit our main naval harbour in Tianjin) and will rely on the International Peacekeeping Fleet to police those waters, notably the Formosa Strait (Strait of Taiwan), the East China Sea and the Yellow Sea - that's some 1500 miles.
Therefore, the current Naval HQ is in Hong Kong/Macau, from where anti-piracy patrols still venture out into the South China Sea.

   
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An official message from the Imperial Austrian Ministry of War

Austria recognizes that a state of war has begun between New Switzerland and her allies and Spain and her allies. Austria further recognizes that the areas of combat operations will include the open oceans and territorial waters around New Switzerland and Spain. Consequently, the mission of the Austrian naval force formerly known as the neutrality patrol has changed. The force now has the following official orders:

1. To convoy, upon request, neutral shipping to any harbor not in the national territory or colonies of the combatants.

2. To answer upon reception, any distress signal regardless of nationality.

3. To hunt down and destroy without mercy any pirate ship.

Recognition drawings and national flag images of Austria will be sent to all combatants via diplomatic channels. Austrian ships will not interfere in the conduct of military operations by either side. Both Spain and New Switzerland should be aware that Austrian ships will open fire on any ship behaving in a threatening manner regardless of nationality or intent.

A threatening manner is defined as shooting at or aiming or training weapons on an Austrian ship; sending threats via wireless, signal flag or signal light; or moving towards an Austrian ship at combat speeds (15 knots or more) without signalling non hostile intentions.

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The Admiral put his drink down. He gathered his thoughts.

"I am torn here. My reason cannot accept the notion of magic, of elves and the like. And yet, I know the reason of Men is limited, that there are powers beyond our comprehension, for good and for evil. The machievellian schemer in that book is not the boy I once knew. Kurt wanted to be a poet, or a writer like Tolstoy...at least until that day he found that object..or it was given to him. He was always a quiet one, polite, studious. His father wanted him to be more manly, more brave. And he got his wish."

The Admiral paused, then continued.

"After we returned to Austria, Kurt asked for sabre lessons, shooting lessons. His father was delighted. Here was his boy becoming at last the man he wanted. Kurt applied for the imperial naval academy as soon as he was old enough. I was a jr. ensign by then and kept a watch on him. He was brilliant, especially in all matters relating to weapons, navigation, tactics. His father was so proud."

"After awhile, that incident with the jewel was almost forgotten. Kurt never mentioned it, and whatever happened, no harm was done, or so I thought. Kurt rose through the officer ranks normally if swiftly. He applied for fleet command school and was accepted. He was commissioned the youngest and one of the most intelligent admirals I have ever seen."

"A few months ago, something happened. Something I am still trying to come to grips with. You are aware, I trust, of a Serbian criminal organizaiton known as the Black Hand?"

At Overhills nod, he continued.

"They have been involved in various criminal activities as long as I can remember, but I have paid little attention to them until recently. After all, criminals are a matter for our civil police and courts, not the Navy. However...

Four Months Ago...

"You know Kurt, I never thought you were the type to enjoy the ballet." Allen grinned at his friend.

"Well Allen, when the emperors youngest daughter asks for an escort, what can I do? Kurt grinned back."

Both men were walking through the night streets of Vienna, in civilian suits with jackets and walking sticks.

"Come on, Kurt this way is a short cut" Allen smiled and turned down a street. It was rather dimly lit, and Allen noticed in passing that the usual gas lights had somehow been damaged.

"You know, they should really fix those lights." Kurt mused.

"Yeah, they should a new, nasty voice broke in."

Both men whirled around. Facing them were six young men, in street clothes. Four held clubs, one held a knife, the man who seemed to be the leader held a revolver.

"Hmm, our money or our lives, I presume?" Kurt said, as calm as if he was in a cafe ordering breakfast.

"No, Hapsburger, your money And your lives." One of the toughs said.

Admiral Allen reached into his pocket for a revolver of his own. Before he could draw it, Kurt threw his walking stick. It struck the revolver armed man square in the throat. Dropping his revolver, the man staggered to his knees, his hands desperately trying to help his ruined throat.

The rest of the toughs charged, with a roar of rage. Three of them headed for Kurt, the other two for Allen. Before he could draw his gun, they were on him. He downed one with a well aimed punch, the other swung his club. Blocking it with his stick, the admiral and the crimminal exchanged blows.

Three crimminals advanced on Kurt who stood in a fighting stance. As one swung his club Kurt stepped swiftly to one side, grabbed the toughs wrist, and yanked him off his feet. Swinging the tough into the path of his fellows, Kurt let him go and all three went down in a heap.

Kurt smiled, a smile that did not reach his eyes.

"Is that all? Is that the best you can do, sons of Man?" His voice seemed strange, not his own, dripping with contempt and hate and...rage?

Saying nothing, the toughs got back on their feet. Not waiting for them to charge, Kurt moved in. He stepped in and punched one man in the face. Even engaged in his own duel, Allen could hear bones shatter. Kurt hit him again, and then again. The man dropped, screaming.

The other two, now pale as ghosts, turned to run. Kurt ran after them.

Admiral Allen, having finally downed his opponent, ran up the street.

"You dare to lay hands on me? " It was Kurt's voice...yet it was more full of hate than any human voice the admiral had ever heard.

He could hear the thud of blows, and screams.

Now

"And when I got there, there was Kurt, just standing there, smiling as if nothing was wrong. Those other two...he had beaten them to death, as if they were no more than rag dolls."

   
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"Hmmmm" Overhill thought for a bit. "This is not my specialty" he handed the book carefully back to Peregrin. "We have men who study lore back home, and we have people that have kept there ears on the Anahuac and their Cult of the eye for many, many years. Yet I do not know of any items of power that have survived into the Sixth Age that are not in the Museums of Rohan, and even those might not have any real power other than the power of perception where men on the field of battle will take heart one way or the other should one of these items be used in battle. The old swords of Kings, Anduril would be such an item, yet it has not been used since the day Gondor fell near the beginning of the Sixth Age."

The Attache looked again at the Admiral, "Your friend seems to have acquired something that makes him more confident in his actions and gives him a feeling of invincibility, and perhaps even superiority. It may be the power of whatever item he has or it may just be his own thoughts from what he things this item does for him, just his luck is great. Either way, if he is following the pattern of Saruman, then he needs to be stopped. Even if all he has is the pride of the Noldor, he still must be confronted." Overhill gave a worried look at Peregrin, "However i do not know as to who or how you would go about doing such a thing when this man is in Asia, and I do no know what you could hope to accomplish in confronting him, as your nation is at war with those he fights in the Pacific Theater."