Room for one more?

Started by Sachmle, October 11, 2007, 12:15:05 PM

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P3D

I'd say one additional lvl 0 dock at Rio Gallegos to maintain the TBs (or Punta Arenas?)
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas

Borys

Ahoj!
Yes, the waters of the eastern entrance to the Strait of Magalhaes are IDEAL for 500 tonnes boats of doubtful seakeeping :)

Punta Arenas?
LOL!
Had there been any, I would had noticed them.

Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

P3D

By Wikipedia
QuoteUntil the Panama Canal was finished in 1914, the Strait of Magellan was the main route for steam ships traveling from the Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific, it was often considered the only safe way to move between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. Protected by Tierra del Fuego to the south and the bulk of South America to the north, ships crossed with relative ease, removed from the dangers of Drake Passage. Despite these natural defenses sail ships such as the clippers preferred Drakes passage as they had more room to maneuver. The Drake Passage is the relatively narrow stretch of ocean separating Cape Horn (the southern tip of South America) from Antarctica, the waters of which are notoriously turbulent, unpredictable, and frequented by icebergs and sea ice.

And it makes sense for UdSA to have a port at Punta Arenas to look over all its domestic traffic - rather, it does not make sense not to have any at such an important passage (faulty Austrian reports put aside). And 500t boats can operate in those waters - it is NOT the Drake passage.
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas

Borys

Ahoj!
Pardon the question - WHAT domestic traffic?
Look at the map where UdSA ends.

As to sea conditions - I was not talking about the Strait itself, but of the waters leading to it from the north east (which I hoped was clear from my post). The Falklands were a yachting weekend, huh?
Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

P3D

Domestic traffic: before the Trans-Andian UdSA territories fallen into Peruvian hands or declared their independence, they were at least nominally UdSA. So there had to be some traffic.
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas

Sachmle

Update:

Type 3  Puerto Militar (Bahia Blanco) - Main Arsenal/HQ 1st Battle Fleet(New BBs, New ACs), 2nd Scouting Fleet (Mid-age PCs & TBDs)
1 Type 2 DD
2 Type 1 DD
1 Type 2 Slip
1 Type 1 Slip
1 Type 0 Slip

Type 2 Base - Puerto Madryn - 2nd Battle Fleet, 3rd Scouting Fleet (Old BBs, Old ACs, and Old PCs)
2 Type 1 DD
2 Type 1 Slip
1 Type 0 Slip

Type 1 Base - Rio Gallegos - 1st Scouting Fleet/Trusted w/ Straits of Magellan & Cape Horn (New PCs, DDs)
2 Type 0 DD/1 Floating

Type 0 Base - Encarnacion - 1st Riverine Flotilla, GBs & TBs
1 Type 0 DD
1 Type 0 slip

Type 0 Base - Concepcion - 2nd Riverine Flotilla, GBs & TBs

Type 0 Base - La Plata - for TBs and submarines

Type 0 Base - Stanley, Falkland Is. Coal Station

Fleet - 170,000 tonnes of warships, laid down 1890 or later

Went w/ Encarnacion as riverine base to satisfy Paraguan nationals (see RL A-H building ship in Hungary even though the yards in Austria were better/faster)

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Ithekro

The passage south would have either been covered by the older N2 USA, or patrolled by the ACM and Essyleanian merchant fleets.  By N3 standards, until recently the only traffic in that region (since the way east from Europe seems to be more profitable) would be Rohan repositioning ships from the Pacific Ocean to Caribbean Sea, Confederate and Columbian Merchant traffic, and French vessels.  It seems until Brazil became a focus of Austian and Brandenburg attention there wasn't all that much Atantic to Pacific traffic, at least after the Swiss started getting everyone upset with them.

While they must be someone in Europe who does a lot of shipping from Atlantic to Pacific, they have not come forth in support of one canal or another (aside from Franch, whom claims to not have a large merchant fleet).  Columbia did their task on their own successfully, while Rohan (with support from Swiss, Confederate, and Brandenburg) have built a canal which from Rohan's point of view is to have a secure method of moving naval vessels from one coast to the other in days rather than months.  The commecial traffic is a method to pay for it.  France's canal has sponsers (the Normans and Russians if I recall), but the canal has been built in probably the worst spot to build, yet if will be completed in the next six or so months as will Rohan's canal.  

This will likely reduce any traffic using the southern route when it is easier to use a canal.  THis won't end southern traffic, but reduce it somewhat starting in 1909 (actually it has already reduced since the Columbian's canal openned.)

Borys

Ahoj!
When did the N2 USA break up?
Or was there ever a Peruvian- Argentinian union in N-3?
When Peru was being set up I do not remember this issue being raised.

Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Ithekro

#53
Well from this in about 1903:


to this in 1906:


Gave us a lot of headaches but most things were sorted out.

The USA breakup was stated that they could not keep their lines of communication open across the Andes and fell apart.  The Natives on the west coast have asked for protection for various reasons while others have been "taken" by imperialism.  Rohan is present to defend the natives.  The Columbians that took over the Brandenburg lands I suppose are there to convert the children of God to the one true faith (I believe that was the old missionary calling) while Peru is extending her borders with the help of the Bolivians (possible rebellion or perhaps more a breakup of allied powers...it happened a lot in South America in the 1800s).  Brazil/Peru/USA is still a bit wild in the Chaco region (was even into the 1920s).  The southern part is what we could call loosely controlled by the USA.  The natives there seem to have never been crushed, but seem to accept the Latin based cattle ranchers in defined areas.

Rohan has this "native rights" kick going on probably because they would be considered "Native Americans" in this world.  They don't care for those that go after the natives, though since there has been a larger and roughly stable civilization in the Americas for many thousands of years the natives are a bit more advanced and "civil" than they would have seemed in the 1500s.

Thus this gives you an interesting place to consider your nation's origins and local/international relations as well as relations with the colonial powers (Europeans mostly).

Borys

Sniff ... my Navalism archive has died ... long time no see N2 map ...
Considering Brandenburgia, the Rift Sea, Chuvosa, dissapearance of  Essyleans and Eastern Kingdom - the USA never having had borders different to those "today" is a trifle matter :)

Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

swamphen

#55
Welcome aboard, neighbour across the Parana from Rio Grande do Sul.  ;D

Borys

#56
Psssst -  dats da Parana 'nd da Uruguay rivers you is finking 'bout, dude ...

ADDED LATER:
I see a hasty cover up operation :)
I should quote posts :D

Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

swamphen

*bends reality to my will*

*points at my last post* Yeah, that's what I said.  :P  :D