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TGB900, Byzantine Empire Colonial Torpedo Gun Boat laid down 1925

Displacement:
   900 t light; 956 t standard; 1 072 t normal; 1 165 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (262,14 ft / 262,14 ft) x 29,53 ft x (11,43 / 12,10 ft)
   (79,90 m / 79,90 m) x 9,00 m  x (3,49 / 3,69 m)

Armament:
      4 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 50,00lbs / 22,68kg shells, 230 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal gun - 12,50lbs / 5,67kg shells, 320 per gun
     Anti-air gun in deck mount, 1925 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      1 raised mount
      4 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 3,19lbs / 1,45kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      2 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 90,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 6 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 225 lbs / 102 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,79" / 20 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 14 980 shp / 11 175 Kw = 27,00 kts
   Range 5 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 208 tons (25% coal)

Complement:
   93 - 121

Cost:
   £0,349 million / $1,396 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 43 tons, 4,0 %
      - Guns: 43 tons, 4,0 %
   Armour: 11 tons, 1,0 %
      - Armament: 11 tons, 1,0 %
   Machinery: 454 tons, 42,3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 303 tons, 28,3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 172 tons, 16,0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 90 tons, 8,4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 61 tons
      - Above deck: 29 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     465 lbs / 211 Kg = 8,9 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09
   Metacentric height 0,9 ft / 0,3 m
   Roll period: 12,8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,38
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,03

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,424 / 0,435
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,88 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16,19 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 66 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18,00 %,  16,73 ft / 5,10 m,  13,78 ft / 4,20 m
      - Forward deck:   33,00 %,  13,78 ft / 4,20 m,  10,83 ft / 3,30 m
      - Aft deck:   33,00 %,  10,83 ft / 3,30 m,  10,83 ft / 3,30 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,00 %,  10,83 ft / 3,30 m,  11,15 ft / 3,40 m
      - Average freeboard:      12,08 ft / 3,68 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 149,4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114,6 %
   Waterplane Area: 4 839 Square feet or 450 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 89 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 35 lbs/sq ft or 173 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,65
      - Longitudinal: 2,62
      - Overall: 0,75
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

4t for top mast rangefinder-1918 (18 000m)
25t for Long Range Marconi
12t for 1x4TTx533
4t for forced ventilation
15t for Advanced Hydrophone
6t for 60x90kg DC
24t reserved for new material, armament or 24 minen.

7580nm at 10 kts
5000nm at 12 kts
3430nm at14 kts
1300nm at 20 kts
515nm at 27 kts

"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte

#1
The max 1000t TGB possible with 2M2x140/50 (HMS Hood secondary guns)

TGB1000, Byzantine Empire Colonial Torpedo Gun Boat laid down 1925

Displacement:
   1 000 t light; 1 075 t standard; 1 181 t normal; 1 266 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (324,80 ft / 324,80 ft) x 32,81 ft x (9,24 / 9,68 ft)
   (99,00 m / 99,00 m) x 10,00 m  x (2,82 / 2,95 m)

Armament:
      4 - 5,51" / 140 mm 50,0 cal guns - 81,99lbs / 37,19kg shells, 225 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,50lbs / 5,67kg shells, 320 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck aft
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      4 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 3,00lbs / 1,36kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      2 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 90,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 6 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 365 lbs / 166 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,79" / 20 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 14 000 shp / 10 444 Kw = 27,00 kts
   Range 4 250nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 190 tons (25% coal)

Complement:
   99 - 130

Cost:
   £0,389 million / $1,555 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 76 tons, 6,4 %
      - Guns: 76 tons, 6,4 %
   Armour: 11 tons, 0,9 %
      - Armament: 11 tons, 0,9 %
   Machinery: 450 tons, 38,1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 369 tons, 31,2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 181 tons, 15,4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 94 tons, 8,0 %
      - On freeboard deck: 62 tons
      - Above deck: 32 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     643 lbs / 292 Kg = 7,7 x 5,5 " / 140 mm shells or 0,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14
   Metacentric height 1,2 ft / 0,4 m
   Roll period: 12,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,37
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,04

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,420 / 0,429
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,90 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18,02 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 67
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18,00 %,  16,08 ft / 4,90 m,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Forward deck:   33,00 %,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  10,17 ft / 3,10 m
      - Aft deck:   33,00 %,  10,17 ft / 3,10 m,  10,17 ft / 3,10 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,00 %,  10,17 ft / 3,10 m,  10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Average freeboard:      11,43 ft / 3,48 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 142,7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 139,4 %
   Waterplane Area: 6 644 Square feet or 617 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 39 lbs/sq ft or 191 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,71
      - Longitudinal: 1,27
      - Overall: 0,75
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

7t for top mast rangefinder-1918 (18 000m)
25t for Long Range Marconi
12t for 1x4TTx533
5t for forced ventilation
15t for Advanced Hydrophone
6t for 60x90kg DC
24t reserved for new material, armament or 24 minen.


"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte

The max 3000t possible with the TGB speed (25kts)

Armored  Gun Boat, Byzantine Empire 3000t-5x191-25kts laid down 1925

Displacement:
   3 000 t light; 3 196 t standard; 3 484 t normal; 3 715 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (409,45 ft / 409,45 ft) x 49,21 ft x (11,98 / 12,58 ft)
   (124,80 m / 124,80 m) x 15,00 m  x (3,65 / 3,84 m)

Armament:
      5 - 7,50" / 191 mm 45,0 cal guns - 200,00lbs / 90,72kg shells, 160 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1925 Model
     5 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 4,02" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 31,99lbs / 14,51kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      1 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal gun - 12,50lbs / 5,67kg shells, 300 per gun
     Anti-air gun in deck mount, 1925 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck aft
      1 raised mount
      4 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 3,00lbs / 1,36kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 90,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 1 281 lbs / 581 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3,15" / 80 mm   265,75 ft / 81,00 m   9,19 ft / 2,80 m
   Ends:   1,18" / 30 mm   141,08 ft / 43,00 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     2,62 ft / 0,80 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2,76" / 70 mm   1,18" / 30 mm      1,18" / 30 mm
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1,57" / 40 mm
   Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3,94" / 100 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 20 000 shp / 14 920 Kw = 25,12 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 520 tons (25% coal)

Complement:
   226 - 294

Cost:
   £1,021 million / $4,085 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 331 tons, 9,5 %
      - Guns: 331 tons, 9,5 %
   Armour: 841 tons, 24,1 %
      - Belts: 371 tons, 10,7 %
      - Armament: 72 tons, 2,1 %
      - Armour Deck: 378 tons, 10,9 %
      - Conning Tower: 19 tons, 0,6 %
   Machinery: 664 tons, 19,1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 056 tons, 30,3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 485 tons, 13,9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 108 tons, 3,1 %
      - Hull above water: 10 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 40 tons
      - Above deck: 58 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3 636 lbs / 1 649 Kg = 17,2 x 7,5 " / 191 mm shells or 1,1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09
   Metacentric height 2,0 ft / 0,6 m
   Roll period: 14,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,72
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,04

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,505 / 0,513
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,32 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20,23 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 68
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18,00 %,  18,70 ft / 5,70 m,  15,75 ft / 4,80 m
      - Forward deck:   33,00 %,  15,75 ft / 4,80 m,  12,80 ft / 3,90 m
      - Aft deck:   33,00 %,  12,80 ft / 3,90 m,  12,80 ft / 3,90 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,00 %,  12,80 ft / 3,90 m,  12,80 ft / 3,90 m
      - Average freeboard:      14,03 ft / 4,28 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93,7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 153,8 %
   Waterplane Area: 13 487 Square feet or 1 253 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 64 lbs/sq ft or 315 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,72
      - Longitudinal: 1,04
      - Overall: 0,75
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

33t for top mast rangefinder
25t for long range Marconi
12t for 2x3TTx533
10t for forced ventilation
20t reserved for new material, armament


"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte

3000t Colonial AGB with the speed of Colonial Cruisers.

Armored  Gun Boat, Byzantine Empire 3000t-4x191-27kts laid down 1925

Displacement:
   3 000 t light; 3 151 t standard; 3 390 t normal; 3 581 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (409,45 ft / 409,45 ft) x 48,15 ft x (11,92 / 12,42 ft)
   (124,80 m / 124,80 m) x 14,68 m  x (3,63 / 3,79 m)

Armament:
      4 - 7,50" / 191 mm 45,0 cal guns - 200,00lbs / 90,72kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1925 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 4,02" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 31,99lbs / 14,51kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mount, 1925 Model
     1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      1 raised mount
      1 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal gun - 12,50lbs / 5,67kg shells, 300 per gun
     Anti-air gun in deck mount, 1925 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck aft
      1 raised mount
      4 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 3,00lbs / 1,36kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 90,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 889 lbs / 403 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2,76" / 70 mm   285,43 ft / 87,00 m   9,19 ft / 2,80 m
   Ends:   0,98" / 25 mm   121,39 ft / 37,00 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     2,62 ft / 0,80 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 107 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2,76" / 70 mm   1,18" / 30 mm      1,18" / 30 mm
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1,38" / 35 mm
   Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0,98" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3,94" / 100 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 26 200 shp / 19 545 Kw = 27,00 kts
   Range 5 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 431 tons (25% coal)

Complement:
   221 - 288

Cost:
   £1,019 million / $4,077 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 240 tons, 7,1 %
      - Guns: 240 tons, 7,1 %
   Armour: 730 tons, 21,5 %
      - Belts: 333 tons, 9,8 %
      - Armament: 56 tons, 1,7 %
      - Armour Deck: 322 tons, 9,5 %
      - Conning Tower: 19 tons, 0,6 %
   Machinery: 870 tons, 25,7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 054 tons, 31,1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 390 tons, 11,5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 105 tons, 3,1 %
      - Hull above water: 10 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 46 tons
      - Above deck: 49 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3 085 lbs / 1 399 Kg = 14,6 x 7,5 " / 191 mm shells or 0,9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09
   Metacentric height 2,0 ft / 0,6 m
   Roll period: 14,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,59
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,02

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,505 / 0,512
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20,23 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18,00 %,  20,34 ft / 6,20 m,  17,39 ft / 5,30 m
      - Forward deck:   33,00 %,  17,39 ft / 5,30 m,  14,44 ft / 4,40 m
      - Aft deck:   33,00 %,  14,44 ft / 4,40 m,  14,44 ft / 4,40 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,00 %,  14,44 ft / 4,40 m,  14,44 ft / 4,40 m
      - Average freeboard:      15,67 ft / 4,78 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107,2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 172,6 %
   Waterplane Area: 13 196 Square feet or 1 226 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 60 lbs/sq ft or 295 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,71
      - Longitudinal: 1,19
      - Overall: 0,75
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

24t for top mast rangefinder
25t for long range Marconi
12t for 2x3TTx533
10t for forced ventilation
24t reserved for new material, armament


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"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte

In the spirit of Mogador / Volta French Contre Torpilleur

D11, Byzantine Empire 2500t Super Destroyer laid down 1925

Displacement:
   2 500 t light; 2 626 t standard; 2 905 t normal; 3 127 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (409,59 ft / 406,82 ft) x 40,22 ft x (15,53 / 16,30 ft)
   (124,84 m / 124,00 m) x 12,26 m  x (4,73 / 4,97 m)

Armament:
      6 - 5,51" / 140 mm 50,0 cal guns - 81,99lbs / 37,19kg shells, 220 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1925 Model
     3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      1 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal gun - 12,50lbs / 5,67kg shells, 250 per gun
     Anti-air gun in deck mount, 1925 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck aft
      1 raised mount
      4 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 50,0 cal guns - 3,00lbs / 1,36kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 raised mounts
      2 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 90,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      Weight of broadside 516 lbs / 234 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,79" / 20 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 43 800 shp / 32 675 Kw = 31,98 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 501 tons

Complement:
   197 - 257

Cost:
   £1,076 million / $4,302 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 164 tons, 5,6 %
      - Guns: 164 tons, 5,6 %
   Armour: 13 tons, 0,5 %
      - Armament: 13 tons, 0,5 %
   Machinery: 1 311 tons, 45,1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 891 tons, 30,7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 405 tons, 13,9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 120 tons, 4,1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 86 tons
      - Above deck: 34 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1 012 lbs / 459 Kg = 12,1 x 5,5 " / 140 mm shells or 0,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
   Metacentric height 1,5 ft / 0,5 m
   Roll period: 13,8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,53
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,02

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,400 / 0,410
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10,11 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20,17 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 8,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   17,50 %,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m,  16,73 ft / 5,10 m
      - Forward deck:   32,50 %,  16,73 ft / 5,10 m,  13,78 ft / 4,20 m
      - Aft deck:   32,50 %,  13,78 ft / 4,20 m,  13,78 ft / 4,20 m
      - Quarter deck:   17,50 %,  13,78 ft / 4,20 m,  13,78 ft / 4,20 m
      - Average freeboard:      14,98 ft / 4,57 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 164,8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 141,4 %
   Waterplane Area: 10 073 Square feet or 936 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 82 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 54 lbs/sq ft or 263 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,68
      - Longitudinal: 1,67
      - Overall: 0,75
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

9t for 1918 top mast rangefinder
25t for LR marconi
8t for additionnal engines ventillation
15t for improved Hydrophone
32t for 8TTx533 HW
5t for 50x90DC
26t reserved for new material, armament, minen.


"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

The Rock Doctor


Kaiser Kirk

Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Jefgte

In 1925, T2x203/50cal are dispo for Byzantine cruisers
Here is a Byzantine "HMS Exeter".

Kutul class, Byzantine Empire C9 laid down 1925

Displacement:
   8 000 t light; 8 372 t standard; 9 172 t normal; 9 813 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (570,87 ft / 570,87 ft) x 63,42 ft x (17,56 / 18,48 ft)
   (174,00 m / 174,00 m) x 19,33 m  x (5,35 / 5,63 m)

Armament:
      6 - 8,00" / 203 mm 50,0 cal guns - 256,00lbs / 116,12kg shells, 170 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1925 Model
     3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      8 - 4,02" / 102 mm 50,0 cal guns - 34,28lbs / 15,55kg shells, 220 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1925 Model
     4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,50lbs / 5,67kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 3,00lbs / 1,36kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0,30" / 7,6 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,01lbs / 0,00kg shells, 6 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 1 872 lbs / 849 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3,94" / 100 mm   360,89 ft / 110,00 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
   Ends:   1,38" / 35 mm   209,97 ft / 64,00 m   9,02 ft / 2,75 m
     Main Belt covers 97 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6,69" / 170 mm   1,97" / 50 mm      2,76" / 70 mm
   2nd:   0,79" / 20 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1,77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 2,76" / 70 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 64 000 shp / 47 744 Kw = 30,01 kts
   Range 10 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 441 tons

Complement:
   468 - 609

Cost:
   £2,531 million / $10,124 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 604 tons, 6,6 %
      - Guns: 604 tons, 6,6 %
   Armour: 1 725 tons, 18,8 %
      - Belts: 678 tons, 7,4 %
      - Armament: 236 tons, 2,6 %
      - Armour Deck: 752 tons, 8,2 %
      - Conning Towers: 59 tons, 0,6 %
   Machinery: 2 078 tons, 22,7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 392 tons, 37,0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 172 tons, 12,8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 201 tons, 2,2 %
      - Hull below water: 32 tons
      - Hull above water: 32 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 52 tons
      - Above deck: 85 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     11 392 lbs / 5 167 Kg = 44,5 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 1,7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,07
   Metacentric height 2,9 ft / 0,9 m
   Roll period: 15,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,45
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,02

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,505 / 0,513
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,89 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   17,50 %,  22,31 ft / 6,80 m,  19,36 ft / 5,90 m
      - Forward deck:   33,00 %,  19,36 ft / 5,90 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Aft deck:   33,00 %,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,50 %,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Average freeboard:      17,61 ft / 5,37 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 95,2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 169,1 %
   Waterplane Area: 24 232 Square feet or 2 251 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 106 lbs/sq ft or 515 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,98
      - Longitudinal: 1,15
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

25t for Long Range Marconi
60t for top mast rangefinder - 1924
32t for climatisation
32t for additionnal pumps
32t for 8TTx21" HW
20t reserved

7135nm(13214km) - 14kts
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Kaiser Kirk

Quote from: Jefgte on December 13, 2022, 04:03:20 PM
In 1925, T2x203/50cal are dispo for Byzantine cruisers
Here is a Byzantine "HMS Exeter".



I do not happen to be a fan of the 8" gun, or 3T2 arrangement though,
The 8"/50 should 'beat' my Royal Neissan's 180L47s & thicker armor at very long range,
there is a probably a couple thousand yard band where it is favorable.....if you can get and keep that range.
but the 3T2 may hurt Fire control, as you can't sustain a 4 shell ladder. Which makes hitting at that range difficult.
At other ranges, I think the ROF difference between 6x8" and 12x 180 will quite favor my ships.

The 76 and 47 are listed as QF.
When adjudicating battles, if you want AA, they should be AA.

As always though, the Byzantine vessels are formidable.
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Jefgte

I test too the 234/51 "HMS Glatton"
on a Colonial Gun Boat.

Lamia class, Byzantine Empire Armored Colonial Gunboat laid down 1926

Displacement:
   6 400 t light; 6 746 t standard; 7 342 t normal; 7 818 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (488,85 ft / 488,85 ft) x 63,98 ft x (15,65 / 16,43 ft)
   (149,00 m / 149,00 m) x 19,50 m  x (4,77 / 5,01 m)

Armament:
      4 - 9,21" / 234 mm 51,0 cal guns - 380,01lbs / 172,37kg shells, 170 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1926 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 4,72" / 120 mm 50,0 cal guns - 50,00lbs / 22,68kg shells, 220 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1926 Model
     4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      2 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,50lbs / 5,67kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1926 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck centre
      2 raised mounts
      4 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 3,00lbs / 1,36kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1926 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0,30" / 7,6 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,01lbs / 0,01kg shells, 6 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1926 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 1 957 lbs / 888 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3,94" / 100 mm   282,15 ft / 86,00 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
   Ends:   1,38" / 35 mm   203,41 ft / 62,00 m   9,02 ft / 2,75 m
     3,28 ft / 1,00 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 89 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6,69" / 170 mm   1,97" / 50 mm      2,76" / 70 mm
   2nd:   0,79" / 20 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1,77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3,94" / 100 mm, Aft 2,76" / 70 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 40 260 shp / 30 034 Kw = 27,00 kts
   Range 8 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 072 tons (25% coal)

Complement:
   396 - 515

Cost:
   £2,192 million / $8,769 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 667 tons, 9,1 %
      - Guns: 667 tons, 9,1 %
   Armour: 1 457 tons, 19,8 %
      - Belts: 568 tons, 7,7 %
      - Armament: 173 tons, 2,4 %
      - Armour Deck: 662 tons, 9,0 %
      - Conning Towers: 54 tons, 0,7 %
   Machinery: 1 319 tons, 18,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 760 tons, 37,6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 941 tons, 12,8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 198 tons, 2,7 %
      - Hull below water: 30 tons
      - Hull above water: 30 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 46 tons
      - Above deck: 92 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10 672 lbs / 4 841 Kg = 27,3 x 9,2 " / 234 mm shells or 1,8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14
   Metacentric height 3,3 ft / 1,0 m
   Roll period: 14,9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,42
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,05

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,525 / 0,532
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,64 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,11 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 67
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   17,50 %,  21,98 ft / 6,70 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Forward deck:   33,00 %,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Aft deck:   33,00 %,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,50 %,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Average freeboard:      17,50 ft / 5,34 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88,1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 175,0 %
   Waterplane Area: 21 323 Square feet or 1 981 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 104 lbs/sq ft or 509 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,47
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

25t for Long Range Marconi
67t for top mast rangefinder - 1924
30t for climatisation
30t for additionnal pumps
24t for 8TTx21"
22t reserved

"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte

QuoteI do not happen to be a fan of the 8" gun, or 3T2 arrangement though,
The 8"/50 should 'beat' my Royal Neissan's 180L47s & thicker armor at very long range,
there is a probably a couple thousand yard band where it is favorable.....if you can get and keep that range.
but the 3T2 may hurt Fire control, as you can't sustain a 4 shell ladder. Which makes hitting at that range difficult.
At other ranges, I think the ROF difference between 6x8" and 12x 180 will quite favor my ships.

The 76 and 47 are listed as QF.
When adjudicating battles, if you want AA, they should be AA...

Your right, & I 'm not fan for these designs.

203 & 234 turrets & 30kts are too heavy for 8000t.
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte

#11
This one is certainly better with 3x3 x T1 x 191


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Boardside 9x191

C10, Byzantine Empire C10 laid down 1925

Displacement:
   6 000 t light; 6 384 t standard; 7 066 t normal; 7 612 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (544,62 ft / 544,62 ft) x 55,77 ft x (16,12 / 17,06 ft)
   (166,00 m / 166,00 m) x 17,00 m  x (4,91 / 5,20 m)

Armament:
      6 - 7,52" / 191 mm 45,0 cal guns - 200,00lbs / 90,72kg shells, 170 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1925 Model
     6 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      3 - 7,52" / 191 mm 45,0 cal guns - 200,00lbs / 90,72kg shells, 170 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1925 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      8 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 50,00lbs / 22,68kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      2 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,50lbs / 5,67kg shells, 250 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      2 raised mounts
      4 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 50,0 cal guns - 3,00lbs / 1,36kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2 237 lbs / 1 015 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3,94" / 100 mm   390,42 ft / 119,00 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
   Ends:   1,38" / 35 mm   154,20 ft / 47,00 m   7,87 ft / 2,40 m
     Main Belt covers 110 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2,76" / 70 mm   0,79" / 20 mm      2,17" / 55 mm
   2nd:   2,76" / 70 mm   0,79" / 20 mm      2,17" / 55 mm
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1,77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3,94" / 100 mm, Aft 2,76" / 70 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 54 183 shp / 40 421 Kw = 29,92 kts
   Range 10 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 228 tons

Complement:
   384 - 500

Cost:
   £2,160 million / $8,641 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 588 tons, 8,3 %
      - Guns: 588 tons, 8,3 %
   Armour: 1 457 tons, 20,6 %
      - Belts: 674 tons, 9,5 %
      - Armament: 99 tons, 1,4 %
      - Armour Deck: 631 tons, 8,9 %
      - Conning Towers: 53 tons, 0,8 %
   Machinery: 1 759 tons, 24,9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 002 tons, 28,3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 066 tons, 15,1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 194 tons, 2,7 %
      - Hull below water: 30 tons
      - Hull above water: 30 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons
      - Above deck: 84 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5 436 lbs / 2 466 Kg = 25,6 x 7,5 " / 191 mm shells or 1,1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
   Metacentric height 2,4 ft / 0,7 m
   Roll period: 15,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,82
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,09

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,505 / 0,514
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,76 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,34 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 65
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   17,50 %,  21,98 ft / 6,70 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Forward deck:   33,00 %,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m,  16,08 ft / 4,90 m
      - Aft deck:   33,00 %,  16,08 ft / 4,90 m,  16,08 ft / 4,90 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,50 %,  16,08 ft / 4,90 m,  16,08 ft / 4,90 m
      - Average freeboard:      17,29 ft / 5,27 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109,5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 169,6 %
   Waterplane Area: 20 331 Square feet or 1 889 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 76 lbs/sq ft or 370 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,73
      - Longitudinal: 0,93
      - Overall: 0,75
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

25t for Long Range Marconi
59t for top mast rangefinder - FC1924
30t for climatisation
30t for additionnal pumps
24t for 8TTx21"
28t reserved



"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte

The max 8000t cruiser with 4T3x191

C10, Byzantine Empire C10 laid down 1925

Displacement:
   8 000 t light; 8 442 t standard; 9 235 t normal; 9 870 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (544,62 ft / 544,62 ft) x 60,50 ft x (20,27 / 21,30 ft)
   (166,00 m / 166,00 m) x 18,44 m  x (6,18 / 6,49 m)

Armament:
      6 - 7,52" / 191 mm 45,0 cal guns - 200,00lbs / 90,72kg shells, 160 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      6 - 7,52" / 191 mm 45,0 cal guns - 200,00lbs / 90,72kg shells, 160 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
      8 - 4,02" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 31,00lbs / 14,06kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,50lbs / 5,67kg shells, 250 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      2 raised mounts
      4 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 50,0 cal guns - 3,00lbs / 1,36kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2 685 lbs / 1 218 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3,94" / 100 mm   357,61 ft / 109,00 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
   Ends:   1,38" / 35 mm   187,01 ft / 57,00 m   7,87 ft / 2,40 m
     Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5,51" / 140 mm   0,98" / 25 mm      2,56" / 65 mm
   2nd:   5,51" / 140 mm   0,98" / 25 mm      2,56" / 65 mm
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1,77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3,94" / 100 mm, Aft 2,76" / 70 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 64 460 shp / 48 087 Kw = 30,00 kts
   Range 10 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 427 tons

Complement:
   470 - 612

Cost:
   £2,715 million / $10,858 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 754 tons, 8,2 %
      - Guns: 754 tons, 8,2 %
   Armour: 1 575 tons, 17,1 %
      - Belts: 648 tons, 7,0 %
      - Armament: 192 tons, 2,1 %
      - Armour Deck: 672 tons, 7,3 %
      - Conning Towers: 63 tons, 0,7 %
   Machinery: 2 093 tons, 22,7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 377 tons, 36,6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 235 tons, 13,4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 201 tons, 2,2 %
      - Hull below water: 30 tons
      - Hull above water: 30 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 41 tons
      - Above deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9 890 lbs / 4 486 Kg = 46,5 x 7,5 " / 191 mm shells or 1,5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,03
   Metacentric height 2,5 ft / 0,8 m
   Roll period: 16,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,75
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,04

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,484 / 0,492
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,34 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 67
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   17,50 %,  22,64 ft / 6,90 m,  19,36 ft / 5,90 m
      - Forward deck:   33,00 %,  19,36 ft / 5,90 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Aft deck:   33,00 %,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,50 %,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Average freeboard:      17,64 ft / 5,38 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100,6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 150,3 %
   Waterplane Area: 21 639 Square feet or 2 010 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 113 lbs/sq ft or 554 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,53
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

25t for Long Range Marconi
75t for top mast rangefinder - FC1924
30t for climatisation
30t for additionnal pumps
24t for 8TTx21"
17t reserved


"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

The Rock Doctor

Is the main battery intended to be in both turrets and mount and hoist?

Jefgte

QuoteIs the main battery intended to be in both turrets and mount and hoist?

OUPS !!!


C10, Byzantine Empire C10 laid down 1925


Displacement:
   8 120 t light; 8 565 t standard; 9 364 t normal; 10 004 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (544,62 ft / 544,62 ft) x 61,22 ft x (20,31 / 21,33 ft)
   (166,00 m / 166,00 m) x 18,66 m  x (6,19 / 6,50 m)

Armament:
      6 - 7,52" / 191 mm 45,0 cal guns - 200,00lbs / 90,72kg shells, 160 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      6 - 7,52" / 191 mm 45,0 cal guns - 200,00lbs / 90,72kg shells, 160 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
      8 - 4,02" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 31,00lbs / 14,06kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,50lbs / 5,67kg shells, 250 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      2 raised mounts
      4 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 50,0 cal guns - 3,00lbs / 1,36kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2 685 lbs / 1 218 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3,94" / 100 mm   354,33 ft / 108,00 m   9,19 ft / 2,80 m
   Ends:   1,38" / 35 mm   190,29 ft / 58,00 m   7,87 ft / 2,40 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5,51" / 140 mm   0,98" / 25 mm      2,56" / 65 mm
   2nd:   5,51" / 140 mm   0,98" / 25 mm      2,56" / 65 mm
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1,77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3,94" / 100 mm, Aft 2,76" / 70 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 64 800 shp / 48 341 Kw = 29,96 kts
   Range 10 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 439 tons

Complement:
   475 - 618

Cost:
   £2,733 million / $10,934 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 779 tons, 8,3 %
      - Guns: 779 tons, 8,3 %
   Armour: 1 617 tons, 17,3 %
      - Belts: 608 tons, 6,5 %
      - Armament: 266 tons, 2,8 %
      - Armour Deck: 680 tons, 7,3 %
      - Conning Towers: 64 tons, 0,7 %
   Machinery: 2 104 tons, 22,5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 418 tons, 36,5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 244 tons, 13,3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 202 tons, 2,2 %
      - Hull below water: 30 tons
      - Hull above water: 30 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 42 tons
      - Above deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10 198 lbs / 4 626 Kg = 48,0 x 7,5 " / 191 mm shells or 1,5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,02
   Metacentric height 2,5 ft / 0,8 m
   Roll period: 16,3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,73
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,04

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,484 / 0,492
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,90 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,34 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 67
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   17,50 %,  23,29 ft / 7,10 m,  20,01 ft / 6,10 m
      - Forward deck:   33,00 %,  20,01 ft / 6,10 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Aft deck:   33,00 %,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,50 %,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Average freeboard:      17,86 ft / 5,44 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 99,6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152,0 %
   Waterplane Area: 21 897 Square feet or 2 034 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 114 lbs/sq ft or 558 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,54
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

25t for Long Range Marconi
75t for top mast rangefinder - FC1924
30t for climatisation
30t for additionnal pumps
24t for 8TTx21"
18t reserved

"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf