Nation Setup Thread

[snip]

Well, I do have to do the two coast thing. If it's in the Med, I need to replicate it along Biscay or the Channel

[Kaiser Kirk]

Well, I do have to do the two coast thing. If it's in the Med, I need to replicate it along Biscay or the Channel

Yeah and Walter's really spread out, while I have a very compact coastline in comparison.  I can build full divisions and still do repairs/refits, so guess I'm not under-docking.
It's just interesting, since we all kinda developed things in isolation, to compare.

[olekit24]

Iberian startup:

50 modification points
--6 Points invested into 2 ICs
--10 Points invested into 2 BPs
--6 Points invested into 60 additional startup BPs
--4 Points invested into 40 Land Points
--2 Points invested into 20 Deployment Points
--11 Points invested into the following Technologies
----2 Points invested 1906 Naval Propulsion [Avalible 1906]
----6 Points invested 1908 Destroyers [Avalible 1908]
----1 Point invested 1908 Fire Control
----1 Point invested 1908 Torpedos
----2 point invested 1906 Aircraft [Avalible 1906]

Final baseline:

--70 IC
--26 BP
--540 Startup BP


91.8 BP used on Slipways and Drydocks
450.44 BP used on Ships
--177.66 BP for Capital Ships
--164.24 BP for Cruisers
--23.82 BP for Destroyers
--34.58 BP for Light Combatants
--41.01 BP for Auxiliaries

[Jefgte]

Byzantine startup in progress

∑ tab	50 modification points
9	9 points invested into 3 IC
15	15 points invested into 3 BP
8	8 points invested into 80BP extra Warships & Infrastructures
5	5 points invested into 50 Land Points
3	3 points invested into 30 Deployement Points
2	2 points invested into 10 fortification Points
	Technos
2	2 points for 1906 Naval Propulsion
1	1 point for 1906 Aircraft & Countermesures
1	1 point for 1908 Destroyer & Torpedo Boat
1	1 point for 1908 Improved Warhead Torpedo
1	1 point for 1908 Rangefinding & Fire Control
1	1 point for 1908 Night Fighting
1	1 point for 1908 Mine Tech
50	<=  Total
		Actualy
SS	36	Warships 504 BP
RGB	24	Shipyards 50 BP
TGB	48	Total 554 BP for 560 BP dispo
T	144
D	80
SC	30
AC	12
CBB	8
BB	10

... To be finalized

[Kaiser Kirk]

So, I've managed to go back and tinker with my start up sheet, trim off some ships, that feed up BP for a few more docks, esp a floating dock I can to to Sumatra or Madagascar or whereever one of my cruisers breaks down.  The 3840t Scout Cruiser design I posted a bit ago I've fit in. There will be multiple versions off that hull, with updated engines/gun, much like the Protected Cruisers.
Anyhow, I'll get to posting up in my encyclopedia during the week.

ALTERNATIVE  Final Parthian Prebuild
...really, it's final...really...sure..well maybe...

Edit : 8/13/17 I have discovered why in cleaning up my build sheet I suddenly had more BP to build more Destroyers and stuff.....argh.

Modification Points
6 - +2 IC
20- +4 BP
7- +70BP Ships & Infrastructure (550 BP total)
12- +70 land (150 total), +50 deployment (74 total)
2 pts : Electric Drives, Oil Fired Boilers available 1906
1 pt : Up to Historical 1910 aircraft and countermeasures, available 1910
1 pt : Night Fighting Basic tactics, Specialised nighttime acquisition Searchlight mounts, night scopes available 1910
1 pt : Centralized FC, early directors – 10km, available 1910
---
50pts

Total : 505.678 + 44.3 = 549.978, remainder 0.022

Naval Infrastructure Cost : (4.5+10.8+4.5+10.8+4.7+9) : 44.3
Drydocks :
50m : 9
120m : 9
150m : 3
180m : 6
235m : 2

Floating 180m : 1

Edit : 8/11/17
While making sure my refits were figured out and accounted for, I started finding little errors in my sheet. Like paying 3000 for the 3840 ton scout cruisers, or paying for 4 of the CDBB and MLs, but only giving myself 2 of each...  I have tried to clean it all up and get it correct. Sorry.

Edit : 8/13/17
Apparently I screwed up the first time I tried to fix things. I think it's all fixed now.

Ships : 504.462 BP

List : Revised 8/13/17

1894  4x  CDBB  6750t updated 1904, 1907
1894  6x  ACR1  9000t  updated 1904, 1907
1894  6x  TBC (with 48TB on board), 7500t,  updated 1904, 1907
1894  2x  SC (Scout Cruiser) 3840t,  updated 1901, 1904, 1907
1894 12x FFA (Sailing Steam Armored Frigate) , 3000t ,  updated 1904, 1907
1894 10 x RGB (Riverine Gunboat ), 250t
1894 48x TB, 60t (plus the 48 paid as part of the TBCs)
1894 4x NSF (Naval Stores Ship, 9000t (M), updated 1904, 1907
1896 8x PG 900t, updated 1904, 1907
1897 2x BB 11400t,  updated 1904, 1907
1897 4x NSF 9000t(M) updated 1904, 1907
1899 2x ACR 9100t,  updated 1907
1899 2x SC 3000t, updated 1902, 1904, 1907
1899 4x ML 1000t, updated 1904, 1907
1899 32x DD 210t,
1899-1900 72x TB
1900 2x PC 6000t, updated 1907
1900 2x BB 14500t,  updated 1907
1902 1x 1902SS 250t
1902 2x PC 6000t, updated 1907
1902 12x MSW 250t
1904 1x CS 3000t (first large turbine warships for Parthia), updated 1907
1904 2x PC 6000t, updated 1907
1904 16x DD 500t , updated 1907
1904 48x TB 60t
1904 2x BB 17000t , updated 1907
1905 2x ACR 12300t, updated 1907
1906 4x DN 23000t
1906 2x PC 6000t, updated 1907
1906 8x DD 750t, updated 1907
1906 48x MTB-A 40t
1907 2x DN 22,000t
1907 4x 1905SS 500t
1908-1909  48 x MTB-A 40t
1908 8x DD 750t
1908 4x ACR 11,800t committed of 14750t, Launched
1909 4x DN 4000t committed of 29,000t

Type  : In Service (building) (Refitting)
CDBB : 4 (0) (0)
BB : 6 (0) (0)
DN : 6 (4) (0)
BC : 0 (0) (0)
ACR : 10 (4) (0)
TBC: 6 (0) (0)
PC : 8 (0) (0)
SC/FF : 17 (0) (0)
GB: 18
DD: 64 (0) (0)
TB : 312 (0) (0)
SS : 5 (0)(0)
NFS : 8 (0)(0)

[Walter]

Kirk. I noticed that you have listed the 1910 Aircraft/Seaplane Carrier Architecture and the 1910 Aircraft and Countermeasures in the technology thread in the Parthian encyclopedia. I got the impression that the 1909 and 1910 were off limits with the starting setup. Also, even if we were allowed to pick them for research, you did not pay for either those levels of technology. There is only this...

1 pt : Up to Historical 1910 aircraft and countermeasures, available 1910

... which is the 1906 tech and not the 1910 tech. Seems like you keep on mixing up them years. :)

Iberian startup:

50 modification points
--6 Points invested into 2 ICs
--10 Points invested into 2 BPs
--6 Points invested into 60 additional startup BPs
--4 Points invested into 40 Land Points
--2 Points invested into 20 Deployment Points
--11 Points invested into the following Technologies
----2 Points invested 1906 Naval Propulsion [Avalible 1906]
----6 Points invested 1908 Destroyers [Avalible 1908]
----1 Point invested 1908 Fire Control
----1 Point invested 1908 Torpedos
----2 point invested 1906 Aircraft [Avalible 1906]

Correct me if I am wrong... but with the techs, 2+6+1+1+2=12 points spent on technologies so you need 1 more point for that. This is not really an issue as 6+10+6+4+2+12= 40 points so you would still have 10 points left to spend after correcting the points invested in technologies to 12.

[Kaiser Kirk]

Kirk. I noticed that you have listed the 1910 Aircraft/Seaplane Carrier Architecture and the 1910 Aircraft and Countermeasures in the technology thread in the Parthian encyclopedia. I got the impression that the 1909 and 1910 were off limits with the starting setup. Also, even if we were allowed to pick them for research, you did not pay for either those levels of technology. There is only this...

Good point Walter.
The tech I bought is this :

Aircraft and Countermeasures:
Baseline: None, perhaps a few private experimenters with gliders or hot air balloons.
1902: Up to Historical 1906 aircraft and countermeasures
1906: Up to Historical 1910 aircraft and countermeasures
1910: Up to Historical 1914 aircraft and countermeasures

As you can see, it's a 1906 tech. I made it available in 1910.
So that should be fine.

Now the Aircraft Carrier tech is :

Aircraft/Seaplane Carrier Architecture:
Baseline: None
1910: Experimental aviation ships. Requires and is automatically granted upon completion of the 1910 Aircraft tech.

Where I messed up is I was reading the Aircraft Carrier bit as the 1910 aircraft, which I have, not the tech- which I don't have.

Good catch, thanks for double checking.
I'll go delete that.

In the meantime, I've revised my map for 5 provinces.
I have a hard time counting these things. They should be 20, 21, 20, 20 and 24 provinces (?)- with the extra 3 being in Mekkan and are essentially the Arabian Desert.  Ironically, I had to trim off the historical province of Mekkan, but since the original word is believed to be a phrase meaning "Fish eaters" I thought it a great name for my coastal provinces. I actually wanted it two provinces bigger, extending to Shiraz and up the Tigris, but that just wasn't working out numerically. I figured empty desert wasn't worth worrying about though.

One prominent error, capital of Media is supposed to be Tabriz, not Tbilsi



As one can see, Baghdad (& my ancient capitals of Cstephion and Babylon) are just outside my boundaries, so I need to discuss with Jefgte when he took that from me.
I think the 1800s would be a good time, but it may have been earlier.

[The Rock Doctor]

Notional Modification Points for "Sweden/Green":

-20 MP:  +4 BP
-19 MP:  R&D
---6 each for 1908 DD and Rangefinders; 2 each for 1906 propulsion and planes; 1 each for 1908 mines, night-fighting, and torpedoes
-11 MP:  Land and/or Deployment (exact mix to be determined)

[The Rock Doctor]

I think I'll call it the Vilnius Union, or Vilniusunionen in Swedish.  Commonly known as the Union (duh).

[snip]

You will find your title has been updated to reflect this.

[The Rock Doctor]

Guess I should remove the Perfidious Ottoman bit.

Or is that a clue?

*Strokes white cat*

[Walter]

*Strokes white cat*

I assume you checked Wikipedia regarding the man with the white cat. He's your problem in the future. ;D

[The Rock Doctor]

No doubt Rome will send Agent VII to sort him out.

Anybody want to link me with the correct version of Springsharp?

[Walter]

No doubt Rome will send Agent VII to sort him out.

We are keeping him locked up at the Rock as a permanent 'guest'...

... oh wait! That was just the first one. There are more that followed him. ;D

Anybody want to link me with the correct version of Springsharp?

Should be here...
http://www.springsharp.com/info.htm#preview

[The Rock Doctor]

Gonna take me a few days, at the least, to sim all the ships.  Here's the TL;DR version of what I have in mind:

~2% of BP assigned to river gunboat/monitor stuff on the major rivers (Rhine, Elbe, etc).  A few small drydocks inland.

~5% of BP assigned to auxiliaries; my headcanon says Vilniusunionen is not especially, um, outgoing, and so sticks mostly close to home where there are plenty of long-established bases.  Icebreakers, survey ships, transports, etc.

~15% of BP assigned to the High Seas Fleet, which would be big-arsed armored cruisers for when outgoing is required, mostly homeported somewhere in the west like Amsterdam.

~35% of BP assigned to the Swarm, which would be a metric crapload of torpedo-boats, protected cruisers, torpedo cruisers, rams, monitors and gunboats (backed up by shore batteries), many of which would be stationed around the Danish Straits.

~43%  of BP assigned to the Shield, which would be the battleline.

The theory, then, would be that the Union builds and operates a fleet and shore defences intended to wall off enemies from getting through the Danish Straits into the Baltic, which becomes a bastion for internal trade.  In the Wild West of the Kattegat and North Sea, things get a little more hairy.