France Start Up

Jefgte · October 06, 2012, 05:20:18 PM

France start up
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Region	Population	IC	BP	Income
France	38	174.526	60	$179.08
North Nigeria	8.5	1	0	$4.60
Tonkin	6	6	0	$22.96
Algeria	4	4	0	$18.38
Cochin China	3.2	2	0	$9.20
Sudan	2.8	1	0	$4.60
Madagascar	2.7	1.5	0	$6.90
Uper Volta	2.375	1	0	$4.60
French Guinea	1.6	1	0	$4.60
Niger	1.57	0.5	0	$2.30
Cambodgia	1.5	0.3	0	$1.38
Senegal	1.23	0.2	0	$0.92
Ivory Coast	0.95	0.1	0	$0.46
Chad	0.81	0.1	0	$0.46
Ubangi Shari-Central Africa	0.63	0.2	0	$0.92
Dahomey	0.57	0.2	0	$0.92
Laos	0.55	0.1	0	$0.46
Mauritania	0.54	0.1	0	$0.46
French India	0.28	0.2	0	$0.92
Middle Congo	0.28	0.2	0	$0.92
Gabon	0.24	0.2	0	$0.92
Guadeloupe	0.19	0.2	0	$0.92
Kouang Tchéou Wan (Zhangjiang)	0.185	0.1	0	$0.46
Martinique	0.185	0.2	0	$0.92
Réunion	0.178	0.1	0	$0.46
Comoros	0.112	0.1	0	$0.46
New Caledonia	0.054	0.5	0	$2.30
France Somalie land-Djibouti	0.05	0.1	0	$0.46
French Polynesia-Tahiti	0.03	0.2	0	$0.92
French Guiana	0.024	0.1	0	$0.46
Wallis & Futuna	0.006	0.1	0	$1.13
Saint Pierre & Miquelon	0.005	0.1	0	$1.18
Total	79.344	196.226	60	$275.62

Jefgte · October 09, 2012, 06:00:43 AM

Add Tanger as a 125 000t harbor

PORTS

main	Port	Type	Ports $	Ports BP
2	Dunkerque - 40 000t	1	15	2
	Le Havre - 40 000t	1	15	2
2	Cherbourg - 250 000t	3	45	4
1	Brest - 500 000t	4	60	5
3	Lorient - 40 000t	1	15	2
	St Nazaires - 125 000t	2	30	3
3	Rochefort - 40 000t	1	15	2
	Bordeaux - 125 000t	2	30	3
3	Port Vendres - 5000t	0	5	0.5
1	Toulon-La Seyne-La Ciota - 500 000t	4	60	5
	Fort de France - Martinique - 5 000t	2	5	0.5
2	Pointe à Pitre - Guadeloupe - 40 000t	2	15	2
2	Bizerte - Tunisia - 250 000t	3	40	4
	Tunis - Tunisia - 125 000t	2	30	3
	Alger - Algeria - 125 000t	2	30	3
	Oran - Algeria - 250 000t	3	45	4
2	Dakar - Senegal - 125 000t	2	30	3
	Port Gentil - Gabon - 40 000t	1	15	2
2	Diego Suarez - Madagascar -125 000t	2	30	3
	La Réunion-le Port - 5 000t	0	5	0.5
4	Saigon - Vietnam - 40 000t	1	15	2
1	Fort Bayard - Chine - 250 000t	3	45	4
4	Tahiti-Papeete - 5000t	0	5	0.5
3	Nouméa - New Caledonia -125 000t	2	30	3
		total:	630	63
			Ports $	Ports BP

Jefgte · October 09, 2012, 09:00:23 AM

Add for Tanger 2x120m slipway

SHIPYARDS

Name	Cost $	Cost BP
Dunkerque - D120	12	1
Dunkerque - D70	4	0
Dunkerque - S70	3	0
Le Havre - S120	9	1
Le Havre - S70	3	0
Le Havre - S70	3	0
Cherbourg - S170	12	2
Cherbourg - S120	9	1
Cherbourg - D120	12	1
Cherbourg - S70	3	0
Cherbourg - D70	4	0
Brest - S170	12	2
Brest - S170	12	2
Brest - D170	16	2
Brest - S120	9	1
Brest - D120	12	1
Brest - S70	3	0
Brest - S70	3	0
Lorient - S170	12	2
Lorient - S120	9	1
Lorient - S70	3	0
St Nazaires - D170	16	2
St Nazaires - D120	3	0
St Nazaires - D70	4	0
Rochefort - S120	9	1
Rochefort - S70	3	0
Bordeaux - D70	4	0
Bordeaux- D120	12	1
Bordeaux - D170	16	2
Port Vendres - S70	3	0
Port Vendres - S70	3	0
Toulon - S170	12	2
Toulon - D170	16	2
Toulon - S120	9	1
Toulon - D120	12	1
Toulon - S70	3	0
Toulon - D70	4	0
Fort de France - Martinique - S70	3	0
Pointe à Pitre - Guadeloupe - S170	12	2
Pointe à Pitre - Guadeloupe - S120	9	1
Bizerte - D170	16	2
Bizerte - D120	12	1
Bizerte - S70	3	0
Tunis - Tunisia - S70	3	0
Alger - Algeria - S70	3	0
Oran - Algeria - S170	12	2
Oran - Algeria - S120	9	1
Dakar - Senegal - D170	16	2
Dakar - Senegal - D120	12	1
Port Gentil - Gabon - S70	3	0
Diego Suarez - Madagascar -S170	12	2
Diego Suarez - Madagascar -S120	9	1
Diego Suarez - Madagascar -S170	12	2
La Réunion-le Port - 5 000t	0	0
Saigon - Vietnam - S120	9	1
Fort Bayard - Chine - D170	16	2
Fort Bayard - Chine - D120	12	1
Fort Bayard - Chine - S70	3	0
Tahiti-Papeete - S70	3	0
Nouméa - New Caledonia - D170	16	2
Nouméa - New Caledonia - S120	9	1
Nouméa - New Caledonia - S120	9	1
	517	54
	Cost $	Cost BP

Note: Fort Bayard in China is today Zhanjiang

Jefgte · October 10, 2012, 06:26:45 AM

change : 12" casemates >> 12" turrets >> cost $ & BP x2
Add 5x 12" turrets @ Eddalya (point Cirres -Gibraltar)
4 x12" turrets@ cap Gris Nez (Dover strait)

Coastal Protections
Harbors or Places	2 x casemates	$	BP	Active	4 x casemates	$	BP	Active
Dunkerque	305	0.66	0.66	0.0082	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Dunkerque	305	0.66	0.66	0.0082	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Dunkerque	305	0.66	0.66	0.0082	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Cap Gris Nez	305	0.66	0.66	0.002	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Cap Gris Nez	305	0.66	0.66	0.002	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Cap Gris Nez	305	0.66	0.66	0.002	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Cherbourg	305	0.66	0.66	0.0082	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Brest	305	0.66	0.66	0.0082	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Brest	305	0.66	0.66	0.0082	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Lorient	305	0.66	0.66	0.0082	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
St Nazaires	0	0	0	0	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Rochefort	0	0	0	0	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Bordeaux	0	0	0	0	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Port Vendres	0	0	0	0	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Toulon	305	0.66	0.66	0.0082	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Toulon	305	0.66	0.66	0.0082	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Fort de France	0	0	0	0	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Pointe à Pitre	305	0.66	0.66	0.0082	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Bizerte	305	0.66	0.66	0.0082	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Tunis	305	0.66	0.66	0.0082	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Alger	305	0.66	0.66	0.0082	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Oran	305	0.66	0.66	0.0082	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Dakar	305	0.66	0.66	0.0082	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Port Gentil	0	0	0	0	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Diego Suarez	305	0.66	0.66	0.0082	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
La Réunion-le Port	0	0	0	0	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Saigon	305	0.66	0.66	0.0082	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Fort Bayard	305	0.66	0.66	0.0082	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Papeete	0	0	0	0	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
Nouméa	305	0.66	0.66	0.0082	164	0.16	0.16	0.002
		14.52	14.52	0.1618		4.8	4.8	0.06
		$	BP	Active		$	BP	Active
					total : 44x305
					total : 240x164
					Total build BP : 19.32
					Total cost build $: 19.32
					Total active cost: 0.173

Jefgte · October 11, 2012, 09:43:17 AM

French Artillery
( D'entrecasteau gun
240-40cal-Mlle1893-shell183kg-rof2-730m/sec-range 19000m )

8	76cal-1898	0.0128	rof-400-500	2400m-840ms
47	45cal-1893	1.5kg	rof-18-20	6500m-646ms
65	46.5cal-1899	4.45kg	rof-10	6800m-760ms
75	62.5cal-1906	6.4kg	rof-10	9140m-930ms
100	45cal-1893-7	16kg	rof-5-6	12500m-703ms
140	45cal-1893	36,5kg	rof-4	15000m-725ms
164	45cal-1896	52kg	rof3	19000m-770ms
194	50cal-1902	92kg	rof2	25960m-945ms
194	45cal-1887	92kg	rof2	23400m-900ms
240	50cal-1902	220kg	rof2	23800m-800ms
274	40cal-1896	262kg	rof3	21700m-815ms
305	45cal-1893	349kg	rof-1.5-2	12000m-780ms
305	45cal-1906	432kg	rof-1.5-2	25000m-783ms
340	45cal-1912	575kg	rof2	26600m-794ms
380

Torpedoes:
Type M94 - 1894/1898 - 15"8 x15'66 (400mm x 4.77m) - 400kg -100kg warhead
Type M99 - 1899/1904 - 17"7 x 17'4 (450mm x 5.3m) - 550kg - 125kg warhead

Jefgte · October 16, 2012, 05:56:10 AM

Year	Type	Names	Divisions	disp	LD/Com/R.	Div.Cost $	Div.Cost BP	Statut	Upkeep
1895	CP1	Danjoult-Dufort	1er CR	2950	1895	5.9	5.9	reserve	0.295
1895	AC1	Neerwinden-Wissembourg	1er CC	5150	1895	10.3	10.3	active	4.12
1895	BB1	Tolbiac-Bouvines	1er CU	11300	1895	22.6	22.6	active	9.04
1895	BB1	Malplaquet-Denain	2eme CU	11300	1895	22.6	22.6	reserve	1.13
1896	TB1	TT1-TT2-TT3-TT4	1er TT	300	1896	1.5	1.2	reserve	0.06
1896	TB1	TT5-TT6-TT7-TT8	2eme TT	300	1896	1.5	1.2	active	0.48
1896	TB1	TT9-TT10-TT11-TT12	3eme TT	300	1896	1.5	1.2	active	0.06
1896	TB1	TT13-TT14-TT15-TT16	4eme TT	300	1896	1.5	1.2	reserve	0.48
1896	CP2	Duvalles-Dassonville	3eme CR	3200	1896	6.4	6.4	reserve	0.32
1896	CP2	Dentraigue-Duvillars	4eme CR	3200	1896	6.4	6.4	active	2.56
1896	CP2	Darras-Denevers	5eme CR	3200	1896	6.4	6.4	active	2.56
1896	CP2	Domberval-Dersignac	6eme CR	3200	1896	6.4	6.4	reserve	2.56
1896	SBB1	Marignan-Calais	3eme CU	7600	1896	15.2	15.2	active	6.08
1896	SBB1	Rocroi-La Marsailles	4eme CU	7600	1896	15.2	15.2	reserve	0.76
1897	AT1	AT1-AT2	1ere AT	1540	1897	3.08	3.08	active	1.232
1897	AT1	AT3-AT4	2eme AT	1540	1897	3.08	3.08	reserve	0.154
1897	AT1	AT5-AT6	3eme AT	1540	1897	3.08	3.08	reserve	0.154
1897	AT1	AT7-AT8	4eme AT	1540	1897	3.08	3.08	active	1.232
1897	AT1	AT9-AT10	5eme AT	1540	1897	3.08	3.08	active	1.232
1897	AT1	AT11-AT12	6eme AT	1540	1897	3.08	3.08	reserve	0.154
1897	CP3	Cocherel-Orléans	6eme CR	5000	1897	10	10	reserve	0.5
1897	CP3	Castillon-Formigny	7eme CR	5000	1897	10	10	active	4
1897	BB2	Austerlitz-Iena	7eme CU	11750	1897	23.5	23.5	active	9.4
1898	BB2	Arcole-Rivoli	8eme CU	11750	1898	23.5	23.5	reserve	1.175
1898	TB2	TT17-TT18-TT19-TT20	5eme TT	450	1898	2.25	1.8	reserve	0.09
1898	TB2	TT21-TT22-TT23-TT24	6eme TT	450	1898	2.25	1.8	active	0.72
1898	TB2	TT25-TT26-TT27-TT28	7eme TT	450	1898	2.25	1.8	active	0.72
1898	TB2	TT29-TT30-TT31-TT32	8eme TT	450	1898	2.25	1.8	reserve	0.09
1898	TB2	TT33-TT34-TT35-TT36	9eme TT	450	1898	2.25	1.8	reserve	0.09
1898	AC2	Fontenoy-Valmy	2eme CC	7500	1898	15	15	active	6.00
1898	AC2	Jemappes-Wattignies	3eme CC	7500	1898	15	15	active	6.00
1899	TB3	TT37-TT38TT39-TT40	10eme TT	500	1899	2.5	2	reserve	0.10
1899	TB3	TT41-TT42-TT43-TT44	11eme TT	500	1899	2.5	2	reserve	0.10
1899	TB3	TT45-TT46-TT47-TT48	12eme TT	500	1899	2.5	2	active	0.80
1899	TB3	TT49-TT50-TT51-TT52	13eme TT	500	1899	2.5	2	active	0.80
1899	TB3	TT53-TT54-TT55-TT56	14eme TT	500	1899	2.5	2	reserve	0.10
1899	TB3	TT57-TT58TT59-TT60	15eme TT	500	1899	2.5	2	reserve	0.10
1899	TB3	TT61-TT62-TT63-TT64	16eme TT	500	1899	2.5	2	active	0.80
1899	AT2	AT13 to AT14	7eme AT	1540	1899	3.08	3.08	active	1.23
1899	AT2	AT15 to AT16	8eme AT	1540	1899	3.08	3.08	reserve	0.15
1899	AT2	AT17 to AT18	9eme AT	1540	1899	3.08	3.08	reserve	0.15
1899	AT2	AT19 to AT20	10eme AT	1540	1899	3.08	3.08	active	1.23
1899	CP5	Carmelia-Cerres	9eme CR	4500	1899	9	9	active	3.6
1899	CP5	Cantales-Courseau	10eme CR	4500	1899	9	9	reserve	0.45
1899	CP5	Caliste-Cassandra	11eme CR	4500	1899	9	9	reserve	0.45


						306.95	300		73.52
Year	Type	Name	Divisions	disp	LD/Com/R.	Cost $	Cost BP		Upkeep

Jefgte · October 23, 2012, 06:21:46 AM

Here is the actual budget.
I must rework again & increase again-Im 70BP under the starting level...

	$2775.63	BP600
France
Total Budget
Army Construction:	$364.00	49
Army Maintenance:	$57.60	0
Army Ammo Consumption	$0.00	0
Fortifications Construction	$240.00	22.5
Fortifications Maintenance	$57.00	0
Navy Construction&Repair	$306.95	300
Navy Maintenance:	$73.52	0
Coastal Defense Construction	$40.00	40
Coastal Defense Maintenance	$73.52	0
Ports	$630.00	63
Docks, Slip	$526.00	55
Airship Hangars	$0.00	0
Airship Construction/Repair	$0.00	0
Airship Maintenance	$0.00	0
Airship Ammo	$0.00	0
Aircraft Infrastructure	$0.00	0
Aircraft Construction/Repair	$0.00	0
Aircraft Maintenance	$0.00	0
Ammo
		0

Research:	*	*
Military Infrastructure
TOTAL	$2 368.59	529.5
	$	BP

KWorld · October 23, 2012, 06:25:22 AM

Looking at that, I don't think you need to pay maintenance in the set-up period..... which would free up even more $.

Jefgte · October 23, 2012, 06:28:09 AM

Update to 120 citadelles

Citadelles Fortress
Type 3	8	0.75	0.4 active	0.08 reserve
Active-20	160	15	8	Active
Reserve-20	160	15	1.6	Reserve
	320	30	9.6
	$	BP	$

Army	#	$ per unit	BP per unit	$	BP
active	12	8	1	96	12
reserve	20	8	1	160	20
stockpile	16	6	1	96	16
Motorisation	2	0	0	0	0
Siege artillery	4	2.67	0.25	12	1
				364	49

Corps locations

east1

east2

east3

north4

ouest5

south6

south7

Tonkin

New caledonia

Algeria

CochinChine

Africa

Nobody · October 23, 2012, 07:00:52 AM

And you still have to correct you startup-budget. No fractional ICs and at least one IC per region.

Jefgte · October 23, 2012, 07:23:32 AM

Disagree.
People in the colonies made "slow" works.
In New Caledonia or Tahiti 8) they go to the beach with girls :-* , they fish, sleep, but sometime,
they work slowly...

Note, the total $ is the starting value.

snip · October 23, 2012, 09:11:38 AM

It needs to be at least 1 IC in each colony. We have been over this before.

Tanthalas · October 23, 2012, 09:34:58 AM

Couldnt agree more about the lazy Basterds in the Colonies, they will take constant armed supervision to be turned into productive members of Society. That said however, the rule is no fractional IC and one per region minimum (I dont realy like it either but it is what it is) :-[

Quote from: Jefgte on October 23, 2012, 07:23:32 AM
Disagree.
People in the colonies made "slow" works.
In New Caledonia or Tahiti 8) they go to the beach with girls :-* , they fish, sleep, but sometime,
they work slowly...

Note, the total $ is the starting value.

Nobody · October 23, 2012, 09:48:54 AM

It's true that it makes not much sense that e.g. 3000 people get their own IC, but that's not the point. The reason is, that those with many many colonies don't build that very cheap first IC in all their colonies in the first turn and thus significantly increasing their income. That would be unfair to those who can't do that. Therefore the minimum of 1 IC so we don't get that problem in the first place.

KWorld · October 23, 2012, 09:56:21 AM

How do we tell what the regions are? For example, the UK (according to their H1 turn) doesn't have any IC in the Falklands, Gibraltar, or Malta possessions, and the US (until I just re-did them) didn't have any in Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Alaska, or American Samoa (all 6,000 people of it).