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Title: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Desertfox on May 07, 2019, 10:21:27 AM
Work has been a tad slow lately. so I've had some time to fiddle around with ships again. It's been years since I last used SS2 and first time I've used SS3. Also trying to figure out the N7 rules.

A semi-dreadnought for the Gulf of Mexico primarily designed to force a European powerhouse to commit their capital ships. 

Moctezuma II, Aztec Empire Pocket Dreadnought laid down 1907

Displacement:
   15,502 t light; 16,560 t standard; 17,704 t normal; 18,620 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (500.00 ft / 500.00 ft) x 90.00 ft x (25.50 / 26.53 ft)
   (152.40 m / 152.40 m) x 27.43 m  x (7.77 / 8.09 m)

Armament:
      6 - 13.00" / 330 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1,107.87lbs / 502.52kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1907 Model
     2 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 7.00" / 178 mm 45.0 cal guns - 172.96lbs / 78.45kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1907 Model
     2 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      10 - 5.00" / 127 mm 45.0 cal guns - 63.03lbs / 28.59kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1907 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1907 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 8,451 lbs / 3,834 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   240.00 ft / 73.15 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   260.00 ft / 79.25 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   7.00" / 178 mm   240.00 ft / 73.15 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
     Main Belt covers 74 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1.00" / 25 mm   240.00 ft / 73.15 m   25.00 ft / 7.62 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 80.00 ft / 24.38 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      13.0" / 330 mm
   2nd:   7.00" / 178 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   3rd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.50" / 64 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.00" / 330 mm, Aft 7.00" / 178 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 21,874 shp / 16,318 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 3,100nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,060 tons

Complement:
   766 - 997

Cost:
   £1.471 million / $5.885 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,508 tons, 8.5 %
      - Guns: 1,508 tons, 8.5 %
   Armour: 5,763 tons, 32.6 %
      - Belts: 2,558 tons, 14.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 222 tons, 1.3 %
      - Armament: 1,402 tons, 7.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,289 tons, 7.3 %
      - Conning Towers: 293 tons, 1.7 %
   Machinery: 1,243 tons, 7.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,588 tons, 37.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,203 tons, 12.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 2.3 %
      - Hull below water: 100 tons
      - Hull above water: 100 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons
      - Above deck: 150 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     28,669 lbs / 13,004 Kg = 26.1 x 13.0 " / 330 mm shells or 5.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.27
   Metacentric height 6.6 ft / 2.0 m
   Roll period: 14.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.47
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.50

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.540 / 0.546
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.56 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.36 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 72.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 131.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 31,112 Square feet or 2,890 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 171 lbs/sq ft or 837 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.93
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Kaiser Kirk on May 07, 2019, 01:28:58 PM
Pretty nice I think.

Interesting putting the 7" supers over the 13".  I did that as well, but with twins.

Technically it's slightly early, triple tech in 1907, but only then can turrets be designed to that spec... darned sequence mucked up a couple of my and Jefgte's plans. Oil firing and 15 knots are interesting for 1907. Overall though, a fairly solid design and quite respectable.

For Parthia- who just claimed Kingston Harbor and Port of Spain, she'd be a concern. The Parthians probably wouldn't feel good about committing a 1900 War Chariot PD, but they'd send the 1904 Smurgh PD.  Very similar battery, only 4x mains, but 345mm, and more belt armor- and backed by a protective deck. However that class was meant to be a "tough" PD. While a Gilgamesh dreadnaught would be hard to "spare" for such a distant theater- at least until the Tiamat are built. Which means Parthia could not bully the Aztecs with impunity, as the Aztecs would have at least nominal parity- so your goal is effectively met.

I've been considering asking to start an NPC ship thread that would include first a range of the strategic needs of that nation and then the 'RFP' for vessels to meet those.  Might be a fun place for people to "play".

One of the questions would also be 'how developed' the NPCs are. I expect most are kinda where Japan or Spain was prior to WWI. Some domestic capacity, but some elements like large guns, from overseas. For the Aztecs, countries like Byzantium would make a logical source, or perhaps they are robust enough to do all aspects of manufacture. Robust NPCs are supposed to be part of the world history. 

Another question would be things like Oil and strategic reserves. We "Know" all the majors have at least "enough".

Overall, fleshing out the rest of the N7 world would be nice.

Welcome back Foxy !
Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Desertfox on May 07, 2019, 04:37:37 PM
I figured triples could be a natural evolution of the twins over twins designs. I had some Northern Kingdom (US) design influence with superfiring and cagemasts since they and Byzantium would make sense as countries the Aztecs could look to. As for oil firing they should have plenty of oil but limited coal sources. 


Another one, the Mayan counter:

Chichen Itza, Mayan People's Republic Dreadnought laid down 1907

Displacement:
   13,620 t light; 14,494 t standard; 15,498 t normal; 16,301 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (490.00 ft / 490.00 ft) x 82.00 ft x (25.00 / 26.01 ft)
   (149.35 m / 149.35 m) x 24.99 m  x (7.62 / 7.93 m)

Armament:
      8 - 11.02" / 280 mm 50.0 cal guns - 709.07lbs / 321.63kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1907 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      12 - 5.40" / 137 mm 45.0 cal guns - 79.40lbs / 36.02kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1907 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      14 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 10.55lbs / 4.79kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1907 Model
     14 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      14 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 6,773 lbs / 3,072 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   5.40" / 137 mm   190.00 ft / 57.91 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   5.40" / 137 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
     Main Belt covers 94 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1.00" / 25 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   17.00 ft / 5.18 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 70.00 ft / 21.34 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   5.40" / 137 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   3rd:   5.40" / 137 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.81" / 300 mm, Aft 5.40" / 137 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 24,226 shp / 18,073 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 3,500nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,807 tons

Complement:
   693 - 902

Cost:
   £1.311 million / $5.243 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,314 tons, 8.5 %
      - Guns: 1,314 tons, 8.5 %
   Armour: 5,493 tons, 35.4 %
      - Belts: 2,463 tons, 15.9 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 189 tons, 1.2 %
      - Armament: 1,351 tons, 8.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,260 tons, 8.1 %
      - Conning Towers: 230 tons, 1.5 %
   Machinery: 1,376 tons, 8.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,045 tons, 32.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,878 tons, 12.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 390 tons, 2.5 %
      - Hull below water: 100 tons
      - Hull above water: 100 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons
      - Above deck: 140 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     23,343 lbs / 10,588 Kg = 34.9 x 11.0 " / 280 mm shells or 4.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
   Metacentric height 5.5 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 14.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.47
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.45

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.540 / 0.546
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.98 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.14 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 129.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,780 Square feet or 2,581 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 144 lbs/sq ft or 704 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.76
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Kaiser Kirk on May 07, 2019, 10:14:00 PM
Careful,  you'll get sucked in...

I'll leave off worrying about tech conformance dates - one can always just reset the engine year.
I'm not keen on the block coefficient, more of a cruiser hull.

I don't get why you trimmed the upper belt height to 2.13m ? Using 7ft as a nominal deck height?
5.18m freeboard -2.13 upper belt...  main belt at 3.05m?
Not likely as leaves main belt above WL.

So part of upperhull unprotected?  Say 1st deck
5.18 - 2.13 = 3.05m.  -2.13 upper = +0.92 to -2.08 main belt?  Not bad, but short decks and unprotected upper hull at 3.05m where you'd want those casements to be.  You don't want them at 0.92m.

It also looks like the TDS height is short for the hull depth, default is 6.95m. Did it start as a shallower draft ship?
Another factor...I'd have to hunt it down, perhaps you know the reference, but I could swear the USN liked shallower draft in part for working off the Mexican coast.
Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Desertfox on May 09, 2019, 02:30:47 PM
Is this a better armor layout? Most US battleships of the time period seem to have about a 25ft draft.


This would be the predecessor to the Montezuma II design.

Cuauthémoc, Aztec Empire Pre-dreadnought laid down 1904

Displacement:
   12,491 t light; 13,204 t standard; 13,923 t normal; 14,498 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (470.00 ft / 470.00 ft) x 80.00 ft x (24.00 / 24.77 ft)
   (143.26 m / 143.26 m) x 24.38 m  x (7.32 / 7.55 m)

Armament:
      4 - 13.00" / 330 mm 40.0 cal guns - 1,052.81lbs / 477.55kg shells, 110 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 7.00" / 178 mm 45.0 cal guns - 172.96lbs / 78.45kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
     4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      14 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 6,477 lbs / 2,938 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   230.00 ft / 70.10 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   240.00 ft / 73.15 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   230.00 ft / 70.10 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     Main Belt covers 75 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      13.0" / 330 mm
   2nd:   7.00" / 178 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      7.00" / 178 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.00" / 330 mm, Aft 7.00" / 178 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10,403 ihp / 7,761 Kw = 17.00 kts
   Range 3,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,294 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   640 - 833

Cost:
   £1.203 million / $4.813 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,151 tons, 8.3 %
      - Guns: 1,151 tons, 8.3 %
   Armour: 4,495 tons, 32.3 %
      - Belts: 2,409 tons, 17.3 %
      - Armament: 1,351 tons, 9.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 485 tons, 3.5 %
      - Conning Towers: 249 tons, 1.8 %
   Machinery: 1,515 tons, 10.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,961 tons, 35.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,432 tons, 10.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 370 tons, 2.7 %
      - Hull below water: 100 tons
      - Hull above water: 100 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons
      - Above deck: 120 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     18,413 lbs / 8,352 Kg = 16.8 x 13.0 " / 330 mm shells or 2.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.18
   Metacentric height 4.9 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 15.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.52
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.40

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.540 / 0.545
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.88 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.68 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 37 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.16 ft / 4.62 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 74.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 116.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,996 Square feet or 2,415 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 153 lbs/sq ft or 748 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.72
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Kaiser Kirk on May 09, 2019, 05:19:59 PM
Yeah, that's a very nice rework.
Armor layout works well.

Still a formidable vessel at a very reasonable displacement.

You've still got the 4 mains set up as 2 triples. You'll save a little bit when you make them twins.

The weird thing is changing from triples to twins for main and secondary makes the design converge a lot with my Simurgh which is

That period armor layouts were very inconsistent. Take the Brits - most of their belt armors were really at maximum thickness for a fairly short height, then fell off. Often times that gets written up as the maximum thickness and total height, making for sim problems.  Then the depth below WL varied a lot. You're at 1.5m which was quite reasonable for then. I think I went 1.8m in that time frame.
Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Desertfox on May 10, 2019, 12:41:34 PM
Well the intent was to show a logical smooth progression without the quantum leap of Dreadnought


And just because, whats the point of SS3 if you can't have some ridiculous fun every once in a while...

Are you serious?, Aztec Empire White Elephant laid down 1888

Displacement:
   5,780 t light; 6,036 t standard; 6,144 t normal; 6,230 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (300.00 ft / 300.00 ft) x 80.00 ft x (16.00 / 16.18 ft)
   (91.44 m / 91.44 m) x 24.38 m  x (4.88 / 4.93 m)

Armament:
      3 - 13.00" / 330 mm 30.0 cal guns - 997.21lbs / 452.33kg shells, 60 per gun
     Muzzle loading guns in Coles/Ericsson turret mount, 1888 Model
     1 x 5-gun mount on centreline forward
      2 - 7.00" / 178 mm 45.0 cal guns - 170.35lbs / 77.27kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mount, 1888 Model
     1 x Twin mount on centreline forward
      1 raised mount
      6 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.41lbs / 6.08kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1888 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,413 lbs / 1,548 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   130.00 ft / 39.62 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   170.00 ft / 51.82 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
     Main Belt covers 67 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   3.00" / 76 mm            -
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 2,816 ihp / 2,101 Kw = 13.00 kts
   Range 600nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 194 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   346 - 451

Cost:
   £0.501 million / $2.004 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 505 tons, 8.2 %
      - Guns: 505 tons, 8.2 %
   Armour: 1,833 tons, 29.8 %
      - Belts: 1,196 tons, 19.5 %
      - Armament: 308 tons, 5.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 257 tons, 4.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 72 tons, 1.2 %
   Machinery: 547 tons, 8.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,896 tons, 47.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 364 tons, 5.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     11,349 lbs / 5,148 Kg = 10.7 x 13.0 " / 330 mm shells or 2.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.75
   Metacentric height 9.0 ft / 2.7 m
   Roll period: 11.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.15
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.560 / 0.562
   Length to Beam Ratio: 3.75 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.32 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 40 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 62.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 93.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 16,907 Square feet or 1,571 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 122 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 158 lbs/sq ft or 771 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.29
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Walter on May 11, 2019, 09:33:39 AM
Due to their size, I would expect the 3" and 70mm guns to be QF guns on the more modern ships. As they are quick firing a few more shells would be useful for those guns.
QuoteI had some Northern Kingdom (US) design influence with superfiring and cagemasts since they and Byzantium would make sense as countries the Aztecs could look to.
... so what do the Aztecs have to offer to the Northern Kingdom?

*checks CIA factbook*

Got useful stuff there but...

*checks babes*

Deal! ;D

Aztec Empire +1000 XP
Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: The Rock Doctor on May 11, 2019, 06:17:09 PM
I like that it's fitted for three guns but can ship two more.

I also like seeing the Fox posting again.
Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Desertfox on May 14, 2019, 04:37:12 PM
Because it wouldn't be me without a plaid speed tincan. A "show the flag" flagship for the Pacific fleet. Couldn't decide which of the two looks looked better.

Quetzalcoatl, Aztec Empire Armored Cruiser laid down 1906

Displacement:
   13,709 t light; 14,468 t standard; 16,595 t normal; 18,296 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (570.00 ft / 570.00 ft) x 74.00 ft x (25.50 / 27.54 ft)
   (173.74 m / 173.74 m) x 22.56 m  x (7.77 / 8.39 m)

Armament:
      8 - 10.00" / 254 mm 50.0 cal guns - 529.32lbs / 240.10kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1906 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 5.00" / 127 mm 45.0 cal guns - 63.03lbs / 28.59kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1906 Model
     12 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1906 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,127 lbs / 2,326 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      6 - 18.0" / 457 mm, 0.00 ft / 0.00 m torpedoes - 0.000 t each, 0.000 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   400.00 ft / 121.92 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   1.00" / 25 mm   170.00 ft / 51.82 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   1.00" / 25 mm   400.00 ft / 121.92 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.00" / 178 mm, Aft 3.00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 62,335 shp / 46,502 Kw = 27.00 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,828 tons

Complement:
   730 - 950

Cost:
   £1.529 million / $6.117 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,167 tons, 7.0 %
      - Guns: 1,167 tons, 7.0 %
   Armour: 2,679 tons, 16.1 %
      - Belts: 1,064 tons, 6.4 %
      - Armament: 931 tons, 5.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 544 tons, 3.3 %
      - Conning Towers: 140 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 4,048 tons, 24.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,445 tons, 32.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,886 tons, 17.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 370 tons, 2.2 %
      - Hull below water: 100 tons
      - Hull above water: 100 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons
      - Above deck: 120 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15,039 lbs / 6,822 Kg = 30.1 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 15.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.73
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.540 / 0.551
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.70 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.87 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Average freeboard:      20.08 ft / 6.12 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 29,163 Square feet or 2,709 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 136 lbs/sq ft or 663 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.58
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Kaiser Kirk on May 17, 2019, 10:43:46 PM
Interesting.

I think the Byzantine AC3 Ceyhan is the only comparable vessel that early. Jefgte stole the march on me, as my AC of that time was still 4x10. My next one is 8x10....but his same period is slightly better. Now he's building a very very suspiciously large "Armored Cruiser" that I will reply to once it's reasonable for Parthia to know.

Speed is very good, but as a vessel with >8" guns it's a capital ship.
Per the ship design guidelines, in this tech period the minimum upper belt is 90mm, as that's the minimum face hardenable thickness.
25mm doesn't actually do much of anything. Won't even stop 6" Common.
Again, if the upper belt starts at the freeboard, the belts don't extend past the waterline - which wasn't unheard of, but means at speed you're exposing the hull below the belt.

Casements - breechloading 5"  triple mounts on centerline ends? Huh?

Torpedo Tubes - Triples are not available until 1910 (1908 destroyer tech), so doubles.
Plus Snip really has  pet peeve about us modeling them using SS3.  He just wants them as Misc weight and explained in notes. Max 18" at 2t Each - so allocated 8t and you're good.
Speaking of which, while you have 120tons above deck for the 10% Armament weight for Fire control, it's not called out.

Also, the Tech becomes available after the year. It takes 2 years to research oil fired boilers - 1906, 1907. Available 1908.
So oil-sprayed coal is needed.
While it's a choice- one I've made in cases-  the cruise speed is very high for that time frame. Faster speeds could be done, but they cost more fuel- which is why you're 17% fuel and stores.  Remember, no one else in the Pacific will have oil, so you can't refuel at trade posts.

Laid down in 1906 you're still researching the new turret gearing to allow continuous aim, to kick combat ranges to 6km.
I've read that supposedly ~240mm was about the max bulk that was practical for, but I suspect 255mm is more likely as a whole bunch of ships in many navies started coming out with that size and it was considered for Dreadnaught.

Armor vs Speed - that's really a design choice.   
So yes, for a range of 6k, Armor's is indeed a bit light for the main guns.  I used Logi's tool to estimate for my navy...and at 6km a nice clean broadside hit from my 180mm guns would penetrate - and I can fire a bunch more of them. Which means my Rustam ACs would be reasonable against them.   10" Penetration should be ~180mm+ at 10,000m ...so you can be holed from all angles and beyond battle ranges at time of construction.

Worse, the 25mm decks aren't going to stop large shell splinters.

Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Desertfox on May 22, 2019, 05:19:11 PM
Yeah its hard to push speed with coal fired boilers. Dropping a couple knots fixes most of the issues:

Quetzalcoatl, Aztec Empire Armored Cruiser laid down 1906

Displacement:
   13,473 t light; 14,187 t standard; 16,595 t normal; 18,521 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (570.00 ft / 570.00 ft) x 74.00 ft x (25.50 / 27.81 ft)
   (173.74 m / 173.74 m) x 22.56 m  x (7.77 / 8.48 m)

Armament:
      8 - 10.00" / 254 mm 50.0 cal guns - 529.33lbs / 240.10kg shells, 130 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1906 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 5.00" / 127 mm 45.0 cal guns - 63.03lbs / 28.59kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1906 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1906 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,154 lbs / 2,338 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      8 - 18.0" / 457 mm, 0.00 ft / 0.00 m torpedoes - 0.000 t each, 0.000 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   350.00 ft / 106.68 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   1.00" / 25 mm   220.00 ft / 67.06 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   350.00 ft / 106.68 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     Main Belt covers 94 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.50" / 38 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.00" / 178 mm, Aft 3.00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 46,009 shp / 34,323 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 13.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,334 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   730 - 950

Cost:
   £1.411 million / $5.645 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,191 tons, 7.2 %
      - Guns: 1,191 tons, 7.2 %
   Armour: 3,371 tons, 20.3 %
      - Belts: 1,578 tons, 9.5 %
      - Armament: 888 tons, 5.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 765 tons, 4.6 %
      - Conning Towers: 140 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 3,254 tons, 19.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,287 tons, 31.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,122 tons, 18.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 370 tons, 2.2 %
      - Hull below water: 100 tons
      - Hull above water: 100 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons
      - Above deck: 120 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     18,871 lbs / 8,560 Kg = 37.7 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
   Metacentric height 4.2 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 15.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.67
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.37

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.540 / 0.553
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.70 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.87 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Average freeboard:      19.08 ft / 5.82 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 144.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 29,163 Square feet or 2,709 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 134 lbs/sq ft or 656 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.52
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Kaiser Kirk on May 23, 2019, 11:46:41 AM
Nice work Foxy.

Upperbelt needs to be +15mm at least, but otherwise quite redoubtable, still blazingly fast for the era and should be among the best in the world at launch.



Sidebar : on deck thickness and splinters.... over the years I've seen different sources mention  that ....say  thickness X should stop light splinters and spalling, but not medium, or thickness Y will stop medium... but no one specifies what a "medium" shell IS. Or what the ranges are.  I'm left to guess the conventional QF guns 155mm and less  are "light", and that the heavy cruiser/armored cruiser main guns 'medium', while 280mm+ is heavy...

I remember my college library had a national archive section, with some battleship related papers, and stumbling across the information that the 2.5" faceplates on the twin 5" mounts of the Iowa class were expected to be proof against all capital ship shell splinters. So... ~65mm proof vs 410mm splinters.  It also gave the side/roof thicknesses and pronounced them proof against "light" (I think).  Buried in Okun's discussions of shooting various WWII armor belts with Bismarck's guns you find comments on Vittorio's splinter screens...etc. These little slivers of comments are all the discussion you tend to find.

So when I ramble on about some thickness being 'enough vs. light splinters' .... I'm not citing some hard and fast rule, I'm summarizing slivers I've read across the years.
It's meant to be useful in producing a more accurate SIM.
Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Desertfox on May 23, 2019, 05:54:21 PM
The Mayan "Blucher", counter to Quetzalcoat (believed to have superfiring 7" and VTE).

Cozumel, Mayan People's Republic Armored Cruiser laid down 1905

Displacement:
   11,989 t light; 12,527 t standard; 14,132 t normal; 15,415 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (530.00 ft / 530.00 ft) x 71.50 ft x (25.10 / 26.85 ft)
   (161.54 m / 161.54 m) x 21.79 m  x (7.65 / 8.18 m)

Armament:
      8 - 8.27" / 210 mm 45.0 cal guns - 284.97lbs / 129.26kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     2 x Twin mounts on sides amidships
      8 - 5.40" / 137 mm 45.0 cal guns - 79.41lbs / 36.02kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1905 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      14 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 10.56lbs / 4.79kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     14 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,063 lbs / 1,389 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 18.0" / 457 mm, 0.00 ft / 0.00 m torpedoes - 0.000 t each, 0.000 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.09" / 180 mm   410.00 ft / 124.97 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   1.18" / 30 mm   120.00 ft / 36.58 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   3.54" / 90 mm   410.00 ft / 124.97 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 119 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.10" / 180 mm   2.76" / 70 mm      7.10" / 180 mm
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.18" / 30 mm
   Forecastle: 0.59" / 15 mm  Quarter deck: 0.59" / 15 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.09" / 180 mm, Aft 1.97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 30,775 ihp / 22,958 Kw = 23.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,889 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   647 - 842

Cost:
   £1.289 million / $5.157 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 631 tons, 4.5 %
      - Guns: 631 tons, 4.5 %
   Armour: 2,843 tons, 20.1 %
      - Belts: 1,720 tons, 12.2 %
      - Armament: 495 tons, 3.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 514 tons, 3.6 %
      - Conning Towers: 114 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 4,416 tons, 31.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,878 tons, 27.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,143 tons, 15.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 220 tons, 1.6 %
      - Hull below water: 50 tons
      - Hull above water: 50 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons
      - Above deck: 70 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,754 lbs / 4,878 Kg = 38.1 x 8.3 " / 210 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.43
   Metacentric height 5.6 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 12.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.26
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.44

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.520 / 0.530
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.41 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.02 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  15.40 ft / 4.69 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  15.40 ft / 4.69 m,  15.40 ft / 4.69 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  15.40 ft / 4.69 m,  15.40 ft / 4.69 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.40 ft / 4.69 m,  15.40 ft / 4.69 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.53 ft / 4.73 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 119.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 116.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,717 Square feet or 2,389 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 112 lbs/sq ft or 545 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.31
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Jefgte on May 24, 2019, 04:31:32 PM
Quote2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     2 x Twin mounts on sides amidships

Blucher or VdT disposition?

2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     2 x Twin mounts on sides amidships alterned
Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Desertfox on May 24, 2019, 04:53:59 PM
Its a VdT layout, there isn't a way to do it in SS3 is there?
Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Kaiser Kirk on May 24, 2019, 11:31:52 PM
Interesting question.
I'd be tempted to go with 2 turrest fore>+ aft and 2 turrets under Sides- End (Fore >=aft) which should give a fore and an aft wing turret.
But VDT's are closer to the waist.
There a Gun Tab #2 could work, with 1 turret at Side-Foredeck aft, and 1 turret at Side Aft deck forward

Frankly I'd go with Option #1.
Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Desertfox on May 29, 2019, 04:07:19 PM
A dedicated raider/protected cruiser designed to look like a banana boat.

"Banana Boat 13", Aztec Empire Raider laid down 1910

Displacement:
   3,401 t light; 3,567 t standard; 5,036 t normal; 6,211 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (340.00 ft / 340.00 ft) x 48.00 ft x (20.00 / 23.65 ft)
   (103.63 m / 103.63 m) x 14.63 m  x (6.10 / 7.21 m)

Armament:
      4 - 7.00" / 178 mm 45.0 cal guns - 172.96lbs / 78.45kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1910 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      6 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 774 lbs / 351 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      6 - 18.0" / 457 mm, 0.00 ft / 0.00 m torpedoes - 0.000 t each, 0.000 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm   220.00 ft / 67.06 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      5.00" / 127 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 27,672 shp / 20,644 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 9,100nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,645 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   298 - 388

Cost:
   £0.363 million / $1.450 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 170 tons, 3.4 %
      - Guns: 170 tons, 3.4 %
   Armour: 422 tons, 8.4 %
      - Belts: 94 tons, 1.9 %
      - Armament: 117 tons, 2.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 210 tons, 4.2 %
   Machinery: 1,245 tons, 24.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,385 tons, 27.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,634 tons, 32.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 180 tons, 3.6 %
      - Hull below water: 90 tons
      - Hull above water: 90 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5,529 lbs / 2,508 Kg = 32.2 x 7.0 " / 178 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.27
   Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 12.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.32
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.540 / 0.563
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.08 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.44 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.10 ft / 4.91 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 97.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,283 Square feet or 1,048 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 134 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 77 lbs/sq ft or 377 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.62
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Jefgte on May 30, 2019, 01:17:56 AM
Banana Boat 13" is an interresting concept.
I like particulary the 7" guns in turrets well camofled & the high speed.
... The belt is really light.

;)
Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Desertfox on June 05, 2019, 05:01:33 PM
A more conventional version of the raider, designed as a cruiser version of a "gunboat diplomacy" gunboat. Cheaper than an armored cruiser, faster than a coast defense battleship, bigger than a gunboat, and more intimidating than a light protected cruiser. Can do some raiding, commerce protection,and scouting, but primary role is to show the flag, and intimidate locals. Can carry a decent marine detachment.

Jaguar, Aztec Empire Cruiser laid down 1908

Displacement:
   3,697 t light; 3,873 t standard; 4,885 t normal; 5,694 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (340.00 ft / 340.00 ft) x 48.00 ft x (19.40 / 21.91 ft)
   (103.63 m / 103.63 m) x 14.63 m  x (5.91 / 6.68 m)

Armament:
      4 - 7.00" / 178 mm 45.0 cal guns - 172.96lbs / 78.45kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1908 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      4 - 5.00" / 127 mm 45.0 cal guns - 63.03lbs / 28.59kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1908 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 944 lbs / 428 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      6 - 18.0" / 457 mm, 0.00 ft / 0.00 m torpedoes - 0.000 t each, 0.000 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.00" / 76 mm   230.00 ft / 70.10 m   11.00 ft / 3.35 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 104 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      5.00" / 127 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,877 shp / 17,066 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 5,700nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,820 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   291 - 379

Cost:
   £0.383 million / $1.531 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 195 tons, 4.0 %
      - Guns: 195 tons, 4.0 %
   Armour: 656 tons, 13.4 %
      - Belts: 322 tons, 6.6 %
      - Armament: 123 tons, 2.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 210 tons, 4.3 %
   Machinery: 1,258 tons, 25.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,386 tons, 28.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,188 tons, 24.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 202 tons, 4.1 %
      - Hull below water: 100 tons
      - Hull above water: 100 tons
      - Above deck: 2 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5,087 lbs / 2,307 Kg = 29.7 x 7.0 " / 178 mm shells or 1.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
   Metacentric height 2.5 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 12.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.42
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.05

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.540 / 0.557
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.08 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.44 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 68
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   30.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.24 ft / 4.65 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 110.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,283 Square feet or 1,048 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 119 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 80 lbs/sq ft or 391 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.49
      - Overall: 1.01
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Desertfox on January 03, 2020, 01:35:27 PM
Decided to have some fun... his majesty the king of Siam decides he needs a suitably impressive ship to make a not so subtle statement to the new neighbors to the South (Parthia).

ช้างเผือก, Kingdom of Siam Grand Battleship laid down 1914

Displacement:
   30,000 t light; 32,048 t standard; 32,930 t normal; 33,635 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (670.00 ft / 670.00 ft) x 94.00 ft x (30.00 / 30.53 ft)
   (204.22 m / 204.22 m) x 28.65 m  x (9.14 / 9.31 m)

Armament:
      12 - 14.00" / 356 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1,383.70lbs / 627.63kg shells, 110 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1914 Model
     6 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 8.00" / 203 mm 45.0 cal guns - 258.18lbs / 117.11kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1914 Model
     6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      16 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1914 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 19,920 lbs / 9,036 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14.0" / 356 mm   340.00 ft / 103.63 m   11.00 ft / 3.35 m
   Ends:   6.00" / 152 mm   330.00 ft / 100.58 m   11.00 ft / 3.35 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   340.00 ft / 103.63 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 78 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
      1.00" / 25 mm   340.00 ft / 103.63 m   30.00 ft / 9.14 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 94.00 ft / 28.65 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14.0" / 356 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      14.0" / 356 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      6.00" / 152 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm  Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 14.00" / 356 mm, Aft 4.00" / 102 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 58,863 shp / 43,912 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 5,050nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,587 tons

Complement:
   1,221 - 1,588

Cost:
   £4.095 million / $16.380 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 3,551 tons, 10.8 %
      - Guns: 3,551 tons, 10.8 %
   Armour: 11,718 tons, 35.6 %
      - Belts: 3,931 tons, 11.9 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 377 tons, 1.1 %
      - Armament: 4,653 tons, 14.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,359 tons, 7.2 %
      - Conning Towers: 398 tons, 1.2 %
   Machinery: 2,267 tons, 6.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 12,089 tons, 36.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,929 tons, 8.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 375 tons, 1.1 %
      - Hull below water: 100 tons
      - Hull above water: 100 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 150 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     43,215 lbs / 19,602 Kg = 31.5 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 5.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
   Metacentric height 5.3 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 17.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 45 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1.04
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.22

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.610 / 0.612
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.13 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25.88 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 33
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -1.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  28.00 ft / 8.53 m,  22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  22.00 ft / 6.71 m,  22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  22.00 ft / 6.71 m,  22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  22.00 ft / 6.71 m,  22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Average freeboard:      22.48 ft / 6.85 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 74.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 159.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 46,494 Square feet or 4,319 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 207 lbs/sq ft or 1,013 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.50
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Image needs quite a bit of work, my pagoda drawing skills are not there yet.
Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Desertfox on January 06, 2020, 02:46:50 PM
A much cheaper statement ship inspired by Amagi, fast and big enough to deal with any Parthian AC.

Bangkok, Siam Battlecruiser laid down 1912

Displacement:
   15,100 t light; 16,121 t standard; 17,323 t normal; 18,284 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (629.10 ft / 620.00 ft) x 77.00 ft x (25.40 / 26.46 ft)
   (191.75 m / 188.98 m) x 23.47 m  x (7.74 / 8.06 m)

Armament:
      10 - 11.00" / 279 mm 50.0 cal guns - 704.52lbs / 319.57kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1912 Model
     5 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      3 raised mounts
      14 - 5.00" / 127 mm 45.0 cal guns - 63.03lbs / 28.59kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1912 Model
     14 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 8,091 lbs / 3,670 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   370.00 ft / 112.78 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   250.00 ft / 76.20 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   370.00 ft / 112.78 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -         1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.00" / 178 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 64,420 shp / 48,058 Kw = 27.40 kts
   Range 5,100nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,163 tons

Complement:
   754 - 981

Cost:
   £1.670 million / $6.678 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,589 tons, 9.2 %
      - Guns: 1,589 tons, 9.2 %
   Armour: 3,731 tons, 21.5 %
      - Belts: 1,857 tons, 10.7 %
      - Armament: 1,180 tons, 6.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 593 tons, 3.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 101 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 2,569 tons, 14.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,942 tons, 40.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,222 tons, 12.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 270 tons, 1.6 %
      - Hull below water: 100 tons
      - Above deck: 170 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     19,901 lbs / 9,027 Kg = 29.9 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
   Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 16.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.89
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.16

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.507
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.05 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.90 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  25.00 ft / 7.62 m,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Average freeboard:      19.48 ft / 5.94 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 31,808 Square feet or 2,955 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 160 lbs/sq ft or 780 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.45
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room

Image needs some work. Ship would not use cagemasts.
Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Kaiser Kirk on January 06, 2020, 09:00:57 PM
Quote from: Desertfox on January 03, 2020, 01:35:27 PM
Decided to have some fun... his majesty the king of Siam decides he needs a suitably impressive ship to make a not so subtle statement to the new neighbors to the South (Parthia).
...
Image needs quite a bit of work, my pagoda drawing skills are not there yet.

It would be a reasonable opponent for the Tiamat class, the 8" are a little odd.  I have no pagoda drawing skills at all...
as for the Bangkok, both the Byzantines and Parthians have fielded 10" armored cruisers about the same size and speed, the B's are building more ACs (well actually the Byzantines are building  BCs under the AC name).  The Deck Armor needs work, as a 10" shell ...well as best as I can figure, under 10k my ships will hole your belt, and over 10k they will hole your deck, and at all ranges 25mm may not stop 255mm shell splinters.   Overall not bad though.
Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Desertfox on January 07, 2020, 10:04:14 AM
Odd is what I was going for... A dreadnought with a pre-dreads secondary. Rationale is Siam would probably be outnumbered in any war, so theoretically this ship could fight two battleships and two cruisers at the same time. But we all know theory never pans out as planned.

Dropping some speed on the AC should be enough to beef up the deck armor.

Title: Re: NPC Inspired Ships
Post by: Desertfox on January 31, 2020, 02:27:39 PM
A N-verse colony ship, designed to show up, unload, and support a battalion of troops. Accommodation areas are armored against small arms fire. Alternatively its designed to function as an AMC, troop accommodations would be used for prize crews/prisoners and torpedoes would be carried to sink merchants not worth capturing.

AMC/Troop Transport laid down 1910

Displacement:
   4,016 t light; 4,134 t standard; 5,141 t normal; 5,946 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (340.00 ft / 340.00 ft) x 49.00 ft x (20.00 / 22.45 ft)
   (103.63 m / 103.63 m) x 14.94 m  x (6.10 / 6.84 m)

Armament:
      2 - 5.00" / 127 mm 45.0 cal guns - 63.03lbs / 28.59kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1910 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 181 lbs / 82 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 14.0" / 356 mm, 0.00 ft / 0.00 m torpedoes - 0.000 t each, 0.000 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   0.50" / 13 mm   200.00 ft / 60.96 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm         -         -

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.00" / 25 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 13,705 shp / 10,224 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 11,000nm at 11.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,812 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   303 - 394

Cost:
   £0.242 million / $0.967 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 43 tons, 0.8 %
      - Guns: 43 tons, 0.8 %
   Armour: 57 tons, 1.1 %
      - Belts: 44 tons, 0.9 %
      - Armament: 7 tons, 0.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 6 tons, 0.1 %
   Machinery: 617 tons, 12.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,249 tons, 24.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,125 tons, 21.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 2,050 tons, 39.9 %
      - Hull below water: 1,000 tons
      - Hull above water: 900 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 100 tons
      - Above deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7,126 lbs / 3,232 Kg = 114.0 x 5.0 " / 127 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 2.9 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 12.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.07
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.50

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.540 / 0.557
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.94 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.44 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   30.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.24 ft / 4.65 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 108.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,519 Square feet or 1,070 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 148 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 67 lbs/sq ft or 329 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.25
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

50t - 2  x Long-range wireless
100t - 4 x 10-ton landing boats, 10 x Torpedoes
900t - 1 x Battalion (300 marines)