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Title: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on July 01, 2015, 02:42:05 PM
After 1901 - 12000t BB Austerlitz class,
New SS to studies:
with VTE or Turbines 20 000shp max)
=> BB - 3T2x12" - 18kts & 21kts - probably 14000 to 16000t
Different armament possibilities could be tested too
=> CP - 4000t - 24kts

Jef   8)
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on July 06, 2015, 04:19:08 PM
BB6, France BB6 laid down 1904 (Engine 1902)

Displacement:
   17 000 t light; 17 871 t standard; 19 300 t normal; 20 443 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (528.22 ft / 528.22 ft) x 68.90 ft (Bulges 78.74 ft) x (25.94 / 27.41 ft)
   (161.00 m / 161.00 m) x 21.00 m (Bulges 24.00 m)  x (7.91 / 8.35 m)

Armament:
      6 - 12.01" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 873.07lbs / 396.02kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      6 - 7.64" / 194 mm 45.0 cal guns - 224.67lbs / 101.91kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      16 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
      8 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 7 079 lbs / 3 211 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   347.77 ft / 106.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm   131.23 ft / 40.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     49.21 ft / 15.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   347.77 ft / 106.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      10.6" / 270 mm
   2nd:   7.09" / 180 mm   2.76" / 70 mm      7.09" / 180 mm
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -         0.98" / 25 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.63" / 270 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 27 558 ihp / 20 558 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 572 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   818 - 1 064

Cost:
   £1.819 million / $7.276 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 398 tons, 7.2 %
      - Guns: 1 398 tons, 7.2 %
   Armour: 5 601 tons, 29.0 %
      - Belts: 2 595 tons, 13.4 %
      - Armament: 1 468 tons, 7.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 263 tons, 6.5 %
      - Conning Towers: 275 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 4 175 tons, 21.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 525 tons, 28.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 300 tons, 11.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.6 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - Hull above water: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 250 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     18 283 lbs / 8 293 Kg = 21.1 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
   Metacentric height 4.2 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 16.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.58
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.59

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.626 / 0.628
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.71 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.98 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 45
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  24.93 ft / 7.60 m,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  17.72 ft / 5.40 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  17.72 ft / 5.40 m,  17.72 ft / 5.40 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  17.72 ft / 5.40 m,  17.72 ft / 5.40 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.83 ft / 5.74 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 115.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 27 269 Square feet or 2 533 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 143 lbs/sq ft or 698 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.55
      - Overall: 1.01
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on July 08, 2015, 04:04:01 PM
BB6, France BB6 laid down 1904 (Engine 1902)

Displacement:
   16 925 t light; 17 911 t standard; 19 339 t normal; 20 481 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (528.22 ft / 528.22 ft) x 72.18 ft (Bulges 75.46 ft) x (26.70 / 28.09 ft)
   (161.00 m / 161.00 m) x 22.00 m (Bulges 23.00 m)  x (8.14 / 8.56 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 873.08lbs / 396.02kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 9.45" / 240 mm 48.0 cal guns - 485.00lbs / 219.99kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 7 865 lbs / 3 567 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   360.89 ft / 110.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm   131.23 ft / 40.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     36.09 ft / 11.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   360.89 ft / 110.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     Main Belt covers 105 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   7.09" / 180 mm   2.76" / 70 mm      5.91" / 150 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.63" / 270 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 27 872 ihp / 20 792 Kw = 21.08 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 570 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   819 - 1 065

Cost:
   £1.886 million / $7.545 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 548 tons, 8.0 %
      - Guns: 1 548 tons, 8.0 %
   Armour: 5 375 tons, 27.8 %
      - Belts: 2 549 tons, 13.2 %
      - Armament: 1 216 tons, 6.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 335 tons, 6.9 %
      - Conning Towers: 275 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 4 223 tons, 21.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 479 tons, 28.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 414 tons, 12.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.6 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - Hull above water: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 250 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16 448 lbs / 7 461 Kg = 19.0 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.18
   Metacentric height 4.2 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 15.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.73
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.47

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.636 / 0.640
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.98 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  23.62 ft / 7.20 m,  19.03 ft / 5.80 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  19.03 ft / 5.80 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.69 ft / 5.39 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 28 833 Square feet or 2 679 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 143 lbs/sq ft or 699 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.54
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Walter on July 09, 2015, 07:17:38 AM
Jef, any specific reason you stick to 100% coal instead of dropping it to 90% coal and 10% oil?
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on July 09, 2015, 04:10:15 PM
QuoteJef, any specific reason you stick to 100% coal instead of dropping it to 90% coal and 10% oil?

No specific reason, just an option not choosed in SS...

Jef
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on July 09, 2015, 04:15:05 PM
I like this one  :)

BB6, France BB6 laid down 1904 (Engine 1902)

Displacement:
   16 375 t light; 17 191 t standard; 18 630 t normal; 19 781 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (528.22 ft / 528.22 ft) x 75.46 ft x (25.72 / 27.06 ft)
   (161.00 m / 161.00 m) x 23.00 m  x (7.84 / 8.25 m)

Armament:
      6 - 12.01" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 873.08lbs / 396.02kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      10 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      16 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 6 575 lbs / 2 983 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   344.49 ft / 105.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm   164.04 ft / 50.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
     19.69 ft / 6.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   344.49 ft / 105.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      10.6" / 270 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   1.77" / 45 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.63" / 270 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 27 275 ihp / 20 347 Kw = 21.07 kts
   Range 7 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 589 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   796 - 1 036

Cost:
   £1.699 million / $6.796 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 146 tons, 6.2 %
      - Guns: 1 146 tons, 6.2 %
   Armour: 5 560 tons, 29.8 %
      - Belts: 2 888 tons, 15.5 %
      - Armament: 1 007 tons, 5.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 396 tons, 7.5 %
      - Conning Towers: 268 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 4 092 tons, 22.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 252 tons, 28.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 255 tons, 12.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 325 tons, 1.7 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - Hull above water: 25 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 250 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     18 708 lbs / 8 486 Kg = 21.6 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
   Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 14.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.58
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.54

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.636 / 0.642
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.98 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  22.97 ft / 7.00 m,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.81 ft / 5.43 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 99.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 124.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 30 143 Square feet or 2 800 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 132 lbs/sq ft or 644 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.48
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Tanthalas on July 10, 2015, 07:04:40 AM
I kinda like the latest one. 
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: snip on July 10, 2015, 08:13:32 AM
When did France research a 12"/45? Per the gun table, that is a 1900 level gun. I see France was researching the tech in 1902H2, but we dont have record of doing rolls for it. Therefor, the 305/45 under research in 1902/H2 is not yet legal for France. Please get the mods tech roll information so we can clear this up.
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on July 11, 2015, 04:12:39 PM
Just for the fun.
This one is too big...

BB6, France BB6 laid down 1904 (Engine 1902)

Displacement:
   18 825 t light; 19 851 t standard; 21 407 t normal; 22 652 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (528.22 ft / 528.22 ft) x 78.74 ft x (28.32 / 29.71 ft)
   (161.00 m / 161.00 m) x 24.00 m  x (8.63 / 9.06 m)

Armament:
      6 - 12.01" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 873.07lbs / 396.02kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      12 - 7.64" / 194 mm 45.0 cal guns - 224.68lbs / 101.91kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      16 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 8 427 lbs / 3 822 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   367.45 ft / 112.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm   131.23 ft / 40.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
     29.53 ft / 9.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   367.45 ft / 112.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
     Main Belt covers 107 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      10.6" / 270 mm
   2nd:   5.71" / 145 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      5.71" / 145 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.63" / 270 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 29 738 ihp / 22 184 Kw = 21.07 kts
   Range 7 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 801 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   884 - 1 150

Cost:
   £2.049 million / $8.198 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 777 tons, 8.3 %
      - Guns: 1 777 tons, 8.3 %
   Armour: 6 552 tons, 30.6 %
      - Belts: 2 980 tons, 13.9 %
      - Armament: 1 821 tons, 8.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 457 tons, 6.8 %
      - Conning Towers: 294 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 4 461 tons, 20.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 710 tons, 26.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 582 tons, 12.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 325 tons, 1.5 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - Hull above water: 25 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 250 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     19 348 lbs / 8 776 Kg = 22.3 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
   Metacentric height 4.5 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 15.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.67
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.41

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.636 / 0.642
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.71 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.98 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  22.97 ft / 7.00 m,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.81 ft / 5.43 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 116.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 31 454 Square feet or 2 922 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 144 lbs/sq ft or 704 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.55
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on July 21, 2015, 04:50:41 PM
20000shp - 6x164 - 24kts
CP1905, France scout cruiser laid down 1905

Displacement:
   3 650 t light; 3 812 t standard; 4 440 t normal; 4 942 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393.70 ft / 393.70 ft) x 45.93 ft x (14.94 / 16.30 ft)
   (120.00 m / 120.00 m) x 14.00 m  x (4.56 / 4.97 m)

Armament:
      2 - 6.46" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.73lbs / 61.57kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 6.46" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.73lbs / 61.57kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.99lbs / 5.89kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 866 lbs / 393 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1.57" / 40 mm   351.05 ft / 107.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 137 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.57" / 40 mm         -         1.57" / 40 mm
   2nd:   1.57" / 40 mm         -         1.57" / 40 mm
   4th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.97" / 50 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 20 000 shp / 14 920 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 6 700nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 130 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   271 - 353

Cost:
   £0.437 million / $1.750 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 224 tons, 5.0 %
      - Guns: 224 tons, 5.0 %
   Armour: 468 tons, 10.5 %
      - Belts: 172 tons, 3.9 %
      - Armament: 46 tons, 1.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 239 tons, 5.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 11 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 1 645 tons, 37.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 277 tons, 28.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 790 tons, 17.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 35 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 10 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2 714 lbs / 1 231 Kg = 20.2 x 6.5 " / 164 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.32
   Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 12.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.35
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.03

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.575 / 0.587
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   16.00 %,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m,  11.89 ft / 3.63 m
      - Forward deck:   32.00 %,  11.89 ft / 3.63 m,  11.89 ft / 3.63 m
      - Aft deck:   37.00 %,  11.89 ft / 3.63 m,  11.89 ft / 3.63 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.89 ft / 3.63 m,  11.89 ft / 3.63 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.08 ft / 3.68 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 136.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 108.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 12 920 Square feet or 1 200 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 74 lbs/sq ft or 359 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.17
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on July 31, 2015, 04:20:39 PM

République &  Démocratie, France BB6 class laid down 1904 (Engine 1902)

Displacement:
   17 000 t light; 17 871 t standard; 19 246 t normal; 20 346 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (528.22 ft / 528.22 ft) x 65.62 ft (Bulges 78.74 ft) x (25.87 / 27.35 ft)
   (161.00 m / 161.00 m) x 20.00 m (Bulges 24.00 m)  x (7.89 / 8.34 m)

Armament:
      6 - 12.01" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 873.07lbs / 396.02kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      1 raised mount aft - superfiring
      6 - 7.64" / 194 mm 45.0 cal guns - 224.67lbs / 101.91kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      16 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
      8 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 7 079 lbs / 3 211 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   347.77 ft / 106.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm   131.23 ft / 40.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     49.21 ft / 15.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   347.77 ft / 106.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      10.6" / 270 mm
   2nd:   7.09" / 180 mm   2.76" / 70 mm      7.09" / 180 mm
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -         0.98" / 25 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.63" / 270 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 27 515 ihp / 20 526 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 476 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   816 - 1 062

Cost:
   £1.812 million / $7.250 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 398 tons, 7.3 %
      - Guns: 1 398 tons, 7.3 %
   Armour: 5 553 tons, 28.9 %
      - Belts: 2 572 tons, 13.4 %
      - Armament: 1 504 tons, 7.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 203 tons, 6.3 %
      - Conning Towers: 274 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 4 128 tons, 21.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 621 tons, 29.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 246 tons, 11.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.6 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - Hull above water: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 250 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17 689 lbs / 8 024 Kg = 20.4 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.18
   Metacentric height 3.6 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 17.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.67
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.49

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.626 / 0.626
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.71 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.98 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  24.93 ft / 7.60 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forward deck:   40.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Aft deck:   20.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.16 ft / 5.54 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 111.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 25 970 Square feet or 2 413 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 148 lbs/sq ft or 725 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.47
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on August 07, 2015, 04:36:35 PM
SSs to test with early turbines:
3 shafts => 15 000 shp
2 shafts => 10 000 shp
1 shaft => 5000 shp

...
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on August 10, 2015, 04:19:39 PM
20000shp - 6x140 - 24.14kts
CP1905, France scout cruiser laid down 1905

Displacement:
   3 520 t light; 3 654 t standard; 4 268 t normal; 4 760 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393.70 ft / 393.70 ft) x 45.93 ft x (14.37 / 15.70 ft)
   (120.00 m / 120.00 m) x 14.00 m  x (4.38 / 4.78 m)

Armament:
      2 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.99lbs / 5.89kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 559 lbs / 253 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1.57" / 40 mm   351.05 ft / 107.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 137 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.57" / 40 mm         -         1.57" / 40 mm
   2nd:   1.57" / 40 mm         -         1.57" / 40 mm
   4th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.97" / 50 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 20 000 shp / 14 920 Kw = 24.14 kts
   Range 6 700nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 106 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   263 - 343

Cost:
   £0.405 million / $1.619 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 144 tons, 3.4 %
      - Guns: 144 tons, 3.4 %
   Armour: 465 tons, 10.9 %
      - Belts: 172 tons, 4.0 %
      - Armament: 43 tons, 1.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 239 tons, 5.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 11 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 1 649 tons, 38.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 227 tons, 28.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 748 tons, 17.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 35 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 10 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2 742 lbs / 1 244 Kg = 32.8 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.38
   Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 11.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.22
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.05

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.575 / 0.587
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   16.00 %,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m,  11.89 ft / 3.63 m
      - Forward deck:   32.00 %,  11.89 ft / 3.63 m,  11.89 ft / 3.63 m
      - Aft deck:   37.00 %,  11.89 ft / 3.63 m,  11.89 ft / 3.63 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.89 ft / 3.63 m,  11.89 ft / 3.63 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.08 ft / 3.68 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 136.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 111.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 12 920 Square feet or 1 200 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 69 lbs/sq ft or 338 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.99
      - Longitudinal: 1.11
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on August 10, 2015, 04:29:39 PM
20000shp - 6x100 - 25.35kts
CP1905, France scout cruiser laid down 1905

Displacement:
   2 725 t light; 2 807 t standard; 3 340 t normal; 3 765 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393.70 ft / 393.70 ft) x 39.37 ft x (14.36 / 15.77 ft)
   (120.00 m / 120.00 m) x 12.00 m  x (4.38 / 4.81 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 185 lbs / 84 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.79" / 20 mm         -         1.57" / 40 mm
   2nd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -         1.57" / 40 mm
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 20 000 shp / 14 920 Kw = 25.35 kts
   Range 6 700nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 958 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   219 - 285

Cost:
   £0.340 million / $1.360 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 51 tons, 1.5 %
      - Guns: 51 tons, 1.5 %
   Armour: 28 tons, 0.8 %
      - Armament: 28 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 1 619 tons, 48.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 991 tons, 29.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 614 tons, 18.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 35 tons, 1.0 %
      - On freeboard deck: 10 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1 606 lbs / 728 Kg = 52.6 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.42
   Metacentric height 2.3 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 11.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.13
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.14

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.525 / 0.539
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   16.00 %,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Forward deck:   32.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  12.14 ft / 3.70 m
      - Aft deck:   37.00 %,  12.14 ft / 3.70 m,  12.14 ft / 3.70 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  12.14 ft / 3.70 m,  12.14 ft / 3.70 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.62 ft / 3.85 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 161.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 113.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 10 568 Square feet or 982 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 60 lbs/sq ft or 292 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.17
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on August 20, 2015, 05:05:01 PM
Small TB made to work in short sea for patrol & escort.

TB97 to TB109, France Manche class  laid down 1903 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   210 t light; 220 t standard; 235 t normal; 246 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (177.17 ft / 177.17 ft) x 19.69 ft x (5.89 / 6.08 ft)
   (54.00 m / 54.00 m) x 6.00 m  x (1.80 / 1.85 m)

Armament:
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1903 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal gun - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 240 per gun
     Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1903 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck forward
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 0 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1903 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 39 lbs / 18 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2 925 ihp / 2 182 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 1 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 26 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   29 - 38

Cost:
   £0.028 million / $0.112 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 7 tons, 3.2 %
      - Guns: 7 tons, 3.2 %
   Armour: 1 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armament: 1 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 134 tons, 56.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 55 tons, 23.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 25 tons, 10.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 13 tons, 5.5 %
      - On freeboard deck: 3 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     57 lbs / 26 Kg = 4.5 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.30
   Metacentric height 0.7 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 9.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.17
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.04

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.407
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 13.31 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   22.00 %,  9.51 ft / 2.90 m,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Aft deck:   28.00 %,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m,  6.89 ft / 2.10 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  6.89 ft / 2.10 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.46 ft / 2.27 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 193.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 102.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 2 147 Square feet or 199 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 25 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 16 lbs/sq ft or 78 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.42
      - Overall: 0.55
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Trial speed: 27.5kts
Bonus: 5.5
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: eltf177 on August 21, 2015, 04:19:54 AM
The MG's need ammo. I'm guessing miscellaneous weight is for TT's and a short-range wireless set?
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on August 21, 2015, 03:33:32 PM
QuoteThe MG's need ammo. I'm guessing miscellaneous weight is for TT's and a short-range wireless set?
You'r right   :)

Smaller coastal, escort, torpedo, patrol boat...

TB97 to TB109, France Manche class  laid down 1903 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   185 t light; 193 t standard; 205 t normal; 215 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (164.04 ft / 164.04 ft) x 18.21 ft x (6.00 / 6.19 ft)
   (50.00 m / 50.00 m) x 5.55 m  x (1.83 / 1.89 m)

Armament:
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1903 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1903 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 26 lbs / 12 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2 540 ihp / 1 894 Kw = 21.50 kts
   Range 900nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 22 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   26 - 35

Cost:
   £0.024 million / $0.097 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 5 tons, 2.5 %
      - Guns: 5 tons, 2.5 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 1.9 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 1.9 %
   Machinery: 117 tons, 56.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 46 tons, 22.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 20 tons, 9.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 13 tons, 6.3 %
      - On freeboard deck: 3 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     48 lbs / 22 Kg = 3.8 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.26
   Metacentric height 0.6 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 9.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.14
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.407
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.01 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 12.81 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   22.00 %,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Aft deck:   28.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.07 ft / 2.16 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 190.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 91.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 1 839 Square feet or 171 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 25 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 15 lbs/sq ft or 74 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.56
      - Overall: 0.56
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Trial speed: 27.5kts
Bonus: 5.5
2T for 2TTx450
10T for short wireless
1T reserve
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on September 04, 2015, 05:05:27 PM
Go ahead Jef...

1912 project, surplus in the plan, an economical Dreadnought killer.

BB9, France BB9 laid down 1912

Displacement:
   18 000 t light; 19 091 t standard; 20 289 t normal; 21 246 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (557.74 ft / 557.74 ft) x 85.79 ft x (24.09 / 25.03 ft)
   (170.00 m / 170.00 m) x 26.15 m  x (7.34 / 7.63 m)

Armament:
      8 - 13.39" / 340 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1 224.01lbs / 555.20kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1912 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount fore - superfiring
      12 - 5.51" / 140 mm 40.0 cal guns - 80.24lbs / 36.40kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1912 Model
     12 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      12 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1912 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 11 124 lbs / 5 046 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   364.17 ft / 111.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm   183.73 ft / 56.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
     9.84 ft / 3.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   364.17 ft / 111.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm   1.97" / 50 mm      3.94" / 100 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 3.35" / 85 mm
   Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm  Quarter deck: 1.97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.81" / 300 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 28 216 shp / 21 049 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 7 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 155 tons (75% coal)

Complement:
   849 - 1 104

Cost:
   £1.760 million / $7.040 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 861 tons, 9.2 %
      - Guns: 1 861 tons, 9.2 %
   Armour: 7 368 tons, 36.3 %
      - Belts: 3 316 tons, 16.3 %
      - Armament: 1 743 tons, 8.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 2 007 tons, 9.9 %
      - Conning Towers: 303 tons, 1.5 %
   Machinery: 1 207 tons, 6.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7 223 tons, 35.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 289 tons, 11.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 340 tons, 1.7 %
      - Hull above water: 50 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 40 tons
      - Above deck: 250 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     31 584 lbs / 14 326 Kg = 26.3 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 3.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
   Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 15.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.73
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.39

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.616 / 0.621
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  22.31 ft / 6.80 m,  18.37 ft / 5.60 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  18.37 ft / 5.60 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.41 ft / 5.31 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 63.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 35 523 Square feet or 3 300 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 166 lbs/sq ft or 810 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.45
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Misc Weight 325t:
250t fire control
25t for extra pump installation
25t for climatization
25t for long range wireless
25t  reserve


Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on September 14, 2015, 05:07:45 PM
Coastal Craft for patrol & escort, France, Class River - laid down 1904 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   300 t light; 316 t standard; 328 t normal; 338 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (160.76 ft / 160.76 ft) x 22.97 ft x (5.66 / 5.79 ft)
   (49.00 m / 49.00 m) x 7.00 m  x (1.73 / 1.77 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 88 lbs / 40 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 0.79" / 20 mm
   Forecastle: 0.79" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 0.79" / 20 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 900 ihp / 672 Kw = 15.04 kts
   Range 2 000nm at 6.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 22 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   38 - 50

Cost:
   £0.032 million / $0.128 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 15 tons, 4.7 %
      - Guns: 15 tons, 4.7 %
   Armour: 41 tons, 12.6 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 1.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 38 tons, 11.5 %
   Machinery: 123 tons, 37.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 104 tons, 31.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 28 tons, 8.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 16 tons, 4.9 %
      - On freeboard deck: 6 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     261 lbs / 119 Kg = 8.6 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.41
   Metacentric height 1.0 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 9.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.18
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.32

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.553
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 12.68 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.35 ft / 2.24 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 135.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 76.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 2 577 Square feet or 239 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 87 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 30 lbs/sq ft or 147 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.94
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

misc weight;
10t for short wireless
2t fot 2TT
4t reserved
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on September 23, 2015, 04:37:53 PM
Same ship but, the speed update to 18kts

Coastal Craft for patrol & escort, France River class laid down 1904 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   450 t light; 469 t standard; 485 t normal; 498 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (183.73 ft / 183.73 ft) x 22.97 ft x (7.32 / 7.47 ft)
   (56.00 m / 56.00 m) x 7.00 m  x (2.23 / 2.28 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.99lbs / 5.89kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 88 lbs / 40 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 0.79" / 20 mm
   Forecastle: 0.79" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 0.79" / 20 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2 200 ihp / 1 641 Kw = 18.04 kts
   Range 2 000nm at 6.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 28 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   51 - 67

Cost:
   £0.051 million / $0.204 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 15 tons, 3.2 %
      - Guns: 15 tons, 3.2 %
   Armour: 47 tons, 9.6 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 43 tons, 8.9 %
   Machinery: 220 tons, 45.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 141 tons, 29.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 35 tons, 7.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 26 tons, 5.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 16 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     251 lbs / 114 Kg = 8.2 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.27
   Metacentric height 0.9 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 10.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.19
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.13

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.553
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 13.55 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.01 ft / 2.44 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 156.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 70.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 2 945 Square feet or 274 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 61 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 32 lbs/sq ft or 156 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.94
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

misc weight;
10t for short wireless
2t fot 2TT
14t reserved
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Tanthalas on September 24, 2015, 08:53:58 AM
Not the kind of ship I get very excited over honestly, but if france has a mission for this type, I would say they are very nice little ships.  With my deployment requirements, I personally cant justify what is essentially a one mission ship.  I have to build basically DDs, and use them for missions they weren't exactly intended for.
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on September 24, 2015, 03:50:16 PM
QuoteNot the kind of ship I get very excited over honestly, but if france has a mission for this type, I would say they are very nice little ships.  With my deployment requirements, I personally cant justify what is essentially a one mission ship.  I have to build basically DDs, and use them for missions they weren't exactly intended for.

... They are slow DDs
The weight not used for DD engines is reserved for guns, wireless, misc transport.
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on September 27, 2015, 04:08:21 PM
Rework the 300t

Coastal Craft for patrol & escort, France River class laid down 1904 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   300 t light; 316 t standard; 354 t normal; 384 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (160.76 ft / 160.76 ft) x 22.97 ft x (6.27 / 6.68 ft)
   (49.00 m / 49.00 m) x 7.00 m  x (1.91 / 2.04 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.99lbs / 5.89kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 88 lbs / 40 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 900 ihp / 672 Kw = 14.92 kts
   Range 2 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 67 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   40 - 53

Cost:
   £0.034 million / $0.136 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 15 tons, 4.4 %
      - Guns: 15 tons, 4.4 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 1.0 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 137 tons, 38.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 106 tons, 29.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 54 tons, 15.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 38 tons, 10.7 %
      - On freeboard deck: 28 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     253 lbs / 115 Kg = 8.3 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 0.9 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 9.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 78 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.19
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.39

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.535 / 0.544
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 12.68 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.35 ft / 2.24 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 138.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 69.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 2 541 Square feet or 236 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 30 lbs/sq ft or 148 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.00
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

misc weight;
10t for short wireless
2t fot 2TT
26t reserved
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on October 05, 2015, 04:27:39 PM
Testing a DD with heavy guns

TB109 to TB129, France TB6 class laid down 1904 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   500 t light; 532 t standard; 604 t normal; 662 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.66 ft / 229.66 ft) x 25.52 ft x (9.02 / 9.58 ft)
   (70.00 m / 70.00 m) x 7.78 m  x (2.75 / 2.92 m)

Armament:
      3 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 120 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 279 lbs / 127 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5 000 ihp / 3 730 Kw = 22.37 kts
   Range 2 800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 130 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   60 - 79

Cost:
   £0.075 million / $0.299 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 49 tons, 8.0 %
      - Guns: 49 tons, 8.0 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0.5 %
      - Armament: 3 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 313 tons, 51.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 119 tons, 19.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 104 tons, 17.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 16 tons, 2.6 %
      - On freeboard deck: 16 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     146 lbs / 66 Kg = 1.7 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.41
   Metacentric height 1.2 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 9.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 86 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.54
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.30

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.413
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.43 ft / 2.87 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 189.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 106.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 608 Square feet or 335 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 35 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 24 lbs/sq ft or 116 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.51
      - Longitudinal: 1.45
      - Overall: 0.56
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

2.4 tons for 4 torpedoes + 2.4t for 4 reloads
10 mines
Trial speed: 24.5kts
Bonus: 2.14
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Logi on October 05, 2015, 05:19:34 PM
I like it but it's quite a bit slow.

How much faster can you get the ship if you reduce the beam so that the L:B ratio is 10:00,  drop the seakeeping a bit (1.30 to ~1.21), and remove the 75mm guns?
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: eltf177 on October 06, 2015, 04:33:51 AM
Quote from: Logi on October 05, 2015, 05:19:34 PM
I like it but it's quite a bit slow.

How much faster can you get the ship if you reduce the beam so that the L:B ratio is 10:00,  drop the seakeeping a bit (1.30 to ~1.21), and remove the 75mm guns?

I agree, see if you can get speed up. Also maybe make the Main Battery mount and hoist?
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on October 06, 2015, 03:39:33 PM
With L/B ratio 10/1 => speed increase to 22.8kts
23 kts & more could be possible by reduction of misc weight & range.
With mount & hoist : cross sectionnal down to 0.42

TB109 to TB129, France TB5 laid down 1904 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   500 t light; 529 t standard; 602 t normal; 661 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.66 ft / 229.66 ft) x 22.97 ft x (9.99 / 10.62 ft)
   (70.00 m / 70.00 m) x 7.00 m  x (3.05 / 3.24 m)

Armament:
      3 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 120 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 253 lbs / 115 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5 347 ihp / 3 989 Kw = 22.80 kts
   Range 2 800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 132 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   60 - 79

Cost:
   £0.074 million / $0.296 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 44 tons, 7.2 %
      - Guns: 44 tons, 7.2 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0.5 %
      - Armament: 3 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 318 tons, 52.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 119 tons, 19.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 102 tons, 17.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 16 tons, 2.7 %
      - On freeboard deck: 16 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     128 lbs / 58 Kg = 1.5 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
   Metacentric height 0.8 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 10.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.88
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.43

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.413
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 74
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.43 ft / 2.87 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 190.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 95.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 247 Square feet or 302 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 33 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 23 lbs/sq ft or 111 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.76
      - Overall: 0.57
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

2.4 tons for 4 torpedoes + 2.4t for 4 reloads
10 mines
Trial speed: 25kts
Bonus: 2.2


Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on October 06, 2015, 04:26:35 PM
TB for coastal patrol & escort, France River class laid down 1904 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   300 t light; 316 t standard; 338 t normal; 355 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (183.73 ft / 183.73 ft) x 20.34 ft x (7.91 / 8.17 ft)
   (56.00 m / 56.00 m) x 6.20 m  x (2.41 / 2.49 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 88 lbs / 40 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3 000 ihp / 2 238 Kw = 21.04 kts
   Range 1 200nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 39 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   39 - 51

Cost:
   £0.040 million / $0.158 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 15 tons, 4.6 %
      - Guns: 15 tons, 4.6 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 1.1 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 177 tons, 52.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 66 tons, 19.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 38 tons, 11.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 38 tons, 11.3 %
      - On freeboard deck: 28 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     76 lbs / 34 Kg = 2.5 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
   Metacentric height 0.6 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 10.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.35
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.13

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.407
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.03 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 13.55 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.65 ft / 2.33 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 182.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 72.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 2 300 Square feet or 214 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 33 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 18 lbs/sq ft or 88 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.55
      - Overall: 0.56
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

misc weight:
10t for short wireless
3t for3x450mm TT
25t mixed for different works:
-minesweepers / minelayers
-coal extra reserve
-troops
-materials

Trial speed:25kts
Bonus: 3.97
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on October 10, 2015, 05:49:58 PM
Probably the final SS for the 16 patrol/escort craft "River class"
Somme-Oise
Marne-Loing
Meuse-Allier
Vienne-Dordogne
Tarn-Gers
Isere-Drome
Yonne-Saone
Aube-Cher

Coastal Craft for patrol & escort, France River class laid down 1904 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   375 t light; 393 t standard; 446 t normal; 488 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (183.73 ft / 183.73 ft) x 22.97 ft x (6.73 / 7.23 ft)
   (56.00 m / 56.00 m) x 7.00 m  x (2.05 / 2.20 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.99lbs / 5.89kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 10 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 88 lbs / 40 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 1 200 ihp / 895 Kw = 15.71 kts
   Range 2 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 95 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   48 - 63

Cost:
   £0.043 million / $0.172 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 15 tons, 3.5 %
      - Guns: 15 tons, 3.5 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 0.8 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 183 tons, 41.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 135 tons, 30.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 71 tons, 16.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 38 tons, 8.5 %
      - On freeboard deck: 28 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     290 lbs / 131 Kg = 9.5 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.28
   Metacentric height 0.9 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 10.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 98 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.25
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.58

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.560
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 13.55 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.01 ft / 2.44 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 143.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 74.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 2 945 Square feet or 274 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 31 lbs/sq ft or 152 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.87
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc weight:
10t for short wireless
4t for 4x450 torpedoes
24t for different works.
Minesweeper - Minelayer
Troops
Material
Coal


Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on October 11, 2015, 04:07:47 PM
To have a better seaboat, for long patrol & escort, I increase freeboard & reduce slightly the speed (from 15.71 to 15.37)

Coastal Craft for patrol & escort, France River class laid down 1904 (Engine 1900)

Somme-Oise
Marne-Loing
Meuse-Allier
Vienne-Dordogne
Tarn-Gers
Isere-Drome
Yonne-Saone
Aube-Cher

Displacement:
   375 t light; 393 t standard; 446 t normal; 488 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (183.73 ft / 183.73 ft) x 22.97 ft x (6.73 / 7.23 ft)
   (56.00 m / 56.00 m) x 7.00 m  x (2.05 / 2.20 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.99lbs / 5.89kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 10 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 88 lbs / 40 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 1 100 ihp / 820 Kw = 15.37 kts
   Range 2 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 95 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   48 - 63

Cost:
   £0.041 million / $0.165 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 15 tons, 3.5 %
      - Guns: 15 tons, 3.5 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 0.8 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 170 tons, 38.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 147 tons, 33.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 71 tons, 16.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 38 tons, 8.5 %
      - On freeboard deck: 28 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     371 lbs / 168 Kg = 12.1 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.28
   Metacentric height 0.9 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 10.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.30
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.560
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 13.55 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.92 ft / 2.72 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 134.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 90.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 2 945 Square feet or 274 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 32 lbs/sq ft or 154 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.61
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc weight:
10t for short wireless
4t for 4x450 torpedoes
24t for different works.
Minesweeper - Minelayer
Troops
Material
Coal


Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on November 01, 2015, 04:47:11 PM
Here is an adaptation for patrol & escort of the last 500t TB5 (1902).
=> on the identical hull
Engines for TB5 are 8000shp => 25.15kts
Engines for TBE6 are 4000shp => 21.1kts
Half of the boilers are removed & new tanks for coal take their places, range increase to 3800nm (2800nm for TB5)
Draught increase by 20cm for & freeboard decrease by 20cm
3x100 mm guns take the place of the 3x75mm

TBE109 to TBE120, France TBE6 laid down 1904 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   500 t light; 525 t standard; 624 t normal; 703 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.66 ft / 229.66 ft) x 25.52 ft x (9.32 / 10.09 ft)
   (70.00 m / 70.00 m) x 7.78 m  x (2.84 / 3.07 m)

Armament:
      3 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 118 lbs / 54 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4 000 ihp / 2 984 Kw = 21.06 kts
   Range 3 800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 178 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   62 - 81

Cost:
   £0.068 million / $0.272 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 22 tons, 3.5 %
      - Guns: 22 tons, 3.5 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armament: 3 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 319 tons, 51.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 119 tons, 19.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 124 tons, 19.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 38 tons, 6.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 28 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     165 lbs / 75 Kg = 5.4 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.38
   Metacentric height 1.1 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 10.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 93 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.23
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.416
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.77 ft / 2.67 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 175.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 95.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 608 Square feet or 335 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 46 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 22 lbs/sq ft or 106 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.53
      - Longitudinal: 1.13
      - Overall: 0.57
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Misc weight:
10t for short wireless
4t for 4x450 torpedoes
24t for different works.
Minesweeper - Minelayer
Troops
Material
Coal
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on November 22, 2015, 04:26:27 PM
République &  Démocratie, France BB6 class laid down 1904 (Engine 1902)

Displacement:
   17 500 t light; 18 416 t standard; 19 827 t normal; 20 955 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (551.18 ft / 551.18 ft) x 65.62 ft (Bulges 78.74 ft) x (25.79 / 27.25 ft)
   (168.00 m / 168.00 m) x 20.00 m (Bulges 24.00 m)  x (7.86 / 8.31 m)

Armament:
      6 - 12.01" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 873.07lbs / 396.02kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      1 raised mount aft - superfiring
      8 - 7.64" / 194 mm 50.0 cal guns - 235.84lbs / 106.98kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
      8 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 7 618 lbs / 3 455 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   364.17 ft / 111.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm   131.23 ft / 40.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     55.77 ft / 17.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   364.17 ft / 111.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 102 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      10.6" / 270 mm
   2nd:   7.09" / 180 mm   2.76" / 70 mm      7.09" / 180 mm
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -         0.98" / 25 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.63" / 270 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 27 549 ihp / 20 552 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 539 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   835 - 1 086

Cost:
   £1.901 million / $7.604 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 491 tons, 7.5 %
      - Guns: 1 491 tons, 7.5 %
   Armour: 5 623 tons, 28.4 %
      - Belts: 2 674 tons, 13.5 %
      - Armament: 1 422 tons, 7.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 248 tons, 6.3 %
      - Conning Towers: 280 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 4 133 tons, 20.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 953 tons, 30.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 327 tons, 11.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.5 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - Hull above water: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 250 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     18 060 lbs / 8 192 Kg = 20.9 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
   Metacentric height 3.6 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 17.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.72
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.52

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.620 / 0.620
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.48 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  24.93 ft / 7.60 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forward deck:   40.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Aft deck:   20.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.16 ft / 5.54 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 112.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 26 949 Square feet or 2 504 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 151 lbs/sq ft or 736 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.38
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

25t for extra pumps installation
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: eltf177 on November 23, 2015, 04:07:50 AM
Very nice! :)
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Tanthalas on November 27, 2015, 11:03:44 PM
Question about the République &  Démocratie, I raised the same question with Logi and I think he discovered that my reading of the rules was right, but I cant remember for sure (might want to ask).  I think though you can go Mixed main battery or AQY but I don't think you can do both, so you may have to rework them a bit (ditch the Q turret or drop the 7.64s to 6" and put em in mount and hoist or casemates).

Like I said can't remember how that ruling came out, but I still read the rule the same way.  Other than that very nice ships (YAY for 9' high belts)
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on November 28, 2015, 08:22:36 AM
Quote...I think though you can go Mixed main battery or AQY but I don't think you can do both, so you may have to rework them a bit (ditch the Q turret or drop the 7.64s to 6" and put em in mount and hoist or casemates).
...

You'r right , I have to choose between AQY or AY+ intermediate caliber (sup to 7"5).
So, I think that I could have AQY + intermediate 164mm (6"46) - 4 or 6T2x164
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: eltf177 on November 28, 2015, 08:33:11 AM
What about an A/Y arrangement with a 9.4-inch Intermediate Battery?
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on November 28, 2015, 04:12:09 PM
QuoteWhat about an A/Y arrangement with a 9.4-inch Intermediate Battery?

A kind of Danton...

BB6, France BB6 laid down 1904 (Engine 1902)

Displacement:
   16 900 t light; 17 885 t standard; 19 258 t normal; 20 357 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (528.22 ft / 528.22 ft) x 72.18 ft (Bulges 75.46 ft) x (26.59 / 27.92 ft)
   (161.00 m / 161.00 m) x 22.00 m (Bulges 23.00 m)  x (8.10 / 8.51 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 873.07lbs / 396.02kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 9.45" / 240 mm 48.0 cal guns - 485.00lbs / 219.99kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 7 865 lbs / 3 567 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   360.89 ft / 110.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm   131.23 ft / 40.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     36.09 ft / 11.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   360.89 ft / 110.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     Main Belt covers 105 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   7.09" / 180 mm   2.76" / 70 mm      5.91" / 150 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.63" / 270 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 27 800 ihp / 20 739 Kw = 21.07 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 472 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   816 - 1 062

Cost:
   £1.878 million / $7.512 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 548 tons, 8.0 %
      - Guns: 1 548 tons, 8.0 %
   Armour: 5 383 tons, 28.0 %
      - Belts: 2 544 tons, 13.2 %
      - Armament: 1 229 tons, 6.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 335 tons, 6.9 %
      - Conning Towers: 274 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 4 170 tons, 21.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 499 tons, 28.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 358 tons, 12.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.6 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - Hull above water: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 250 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16 703 lbs / 7 576 Kg = 19.3 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.19
   Metacentric height 4.3 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 15.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.71
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.48

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.636 / 0.640
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.98 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  23.62 ft / 7.20 m,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.87 ft / 5.45 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 115.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 28 833 Square feet or 2 679 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 144 lbs/sq ft or 701 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.55
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on December 05, 2015, 05:03:09 PM
Rules
Quote1891: Mixed-caliber main battery (Main+intermediary calibers), Superfiring secondaries (Restricted Axial Firing Arcs) and Stacked Main Battery turrets OR Main caliber battery in AQY. [Pick One Only]
QuoteMain guns are defined as the largest caliber carried on the ship, intermediary guns are anything between the main caliber and 155mm guns, secondaries are 80-155mm, tertiary are <79mm.

=> With AQY (3xT2x305), I couldn't use T2x164 for secondaries

République &  Démocratie, France BB6 class laid down 1904 (Engine 1902)

Displacement:
   16 100 t light; 16 991 t standard; 18 419 t normal; 19 561 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (528.22 ft / 528.22 ft) x 65.62 ft (Bulges 75.46 ft) x (25.84 / 27.38 ft)
   (161.00 m / 161.00 m) x 20.00 m (Bulges 23.00 m)  x (7.88 / 8.34 m)

Armament:
      6 - 12.01" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 873.07lbs / 396.02kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      1 raised mount aft - superfiring
      16 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
      8 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 7 082 lbs / 3 212 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   347.77 ft / 106.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm   164.04 ft / 50.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     16.40 ft / 5.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   347.77 ft / 106.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      10.6" / 270 mm
   2nd:   2.76" / 70 mm   2.76" / 70 mm      2.76" / 70 mm
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -         0.98" / 25 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.63" / 270 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 26 800 ihp / 19 993 Kw = 21.03 kts
   Range 7 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 570 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   789 - 1 027

Cost:
   £1.703 million / $6.814 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 223 tons, 6.6 %
      - Guns: 1 223 tons, 6.6 %
   Armour: 5 208 tons, 28.3 %
      - Belts: 2 622 tons, 14.2 %
      - Armament: 1 117 tons, 6.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 203 tons, 6.5 %
      - Conning Towers: 266 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 4 020 tons, 21.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 349 tons, 29.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 319 tons, 12.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.6 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - Hull above water: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 250 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17 369 lbs / 7 878 Kg = 20.1 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.21
   Metacentric height 3.8 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 16.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.73
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.55

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.626 / 0.627
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.98 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  24.93 ft / 7.60 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forward deck:   40.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Aft deck:   20.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.16 ft / 5.54 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 115.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 25 970 Square feet or 2 413 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 141 lbs/sq ft or 690 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.51
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

25t for extra pumps installation
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on December 14, 2015, 04:35:06 PM
Why built AQY when I could built a french VdT ???
;)

République &  Démocratie, France BB6 class laid down 1905 (Engine 1902)

Displacement:
   17 650 t light; 18 636 t standard; 20 155 t normal; 21 370 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (551.18 ft / 551.18 ft) x 72.18 ft (Bulges 78.74 ft) x (25.96 / 27.39 ft)
   (168.00 m / 168.00 m) x 22.00 m (Bulges 24.00 m)  x (7.91 / 8.35 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 873.07lbs / 396.02kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 873.08lbs / 396.02kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on sides alterned amidships
      12 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     12 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      16 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
      8 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 8 490 lbs / 3 851 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   364.17 ft / 111.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm   164.04 ft / 50.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     22.97 ft / 7.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   364.17 ft / 111.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 102 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      10.6" / 270 mm
   2nd:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      10.6" / 270 mm
   3rd:   2.76" / 70 mm   2.76" / 70 mm      2.76" / 70 mm
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -         0.98" / 25 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.63" / 270 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 28 000 ihp / 20 888 Kw = 21.03 kts
   Range 7 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 734 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   845 - 1 099

Cost:
   £1.930 million / $7.719 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 482 tons, 7.4 %
      - Guns: 1 482 tons, 7.4 %
   Armour: 5 741 tons, 28.5 %
      - Belts: 2 750 tons, 13.6 %
      - Armament: 1 327 tons, 6.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 381 tons, 6.9 %
      - Conning Towers: 283 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 4 200 tons, 20.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 926 tons, 29.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 505 tons, 12.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.5 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - Hull above water: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 250 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     18 303 lbs / 8 302 Kg = 21.1 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.25
   Metacentric height 4.6 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 15.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.56
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.45

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.626 / 0.629
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.48 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  24.93 ft / 7.60 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.59 ft / 5.06 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 105.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 29 810 Square feet or 2 769 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 147 lbs/sq ft or 719 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.34
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

25t for extra pumps installation
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: The Rock Doctor on December 15, 2015, 09:40:14 AM
Are the unarmored ends intentional?

Otherwise seems like a sturdy ship.
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on December 15, 2015, 03:25:56 PM
QuoteAre the unarmored ends intentional?

It's in memory of the unarmored (& broken) Bismarck stern...

Jef  ;)
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on December 15, 2015, 04:59:53 PM
This class could be reclassed with Aviso Torpilleur:
Interresting for patrols, escorts & colonial works.


QuoteHere is an adaptation for patrol & escort of the last 500t TB5 (1902).
=> on the identical hull
Engines for TB5 are 8000shp => 25.15kts
Engines for TBE6 are 4000shp => 21.1kts
Half of the boilers are removed & new tanks for coal take their places, range increase to 3800nm (2800nm for TB5)
Draught increase by 20cm & freeboard decrease by 20cm
3x100 mm guns take the place of the 3x75mm

TBE109 to TBE120, France TBE6 laid down 1904 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   500 t light; 525 t standard; 624 t normal; 703 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.66 ft / 229.66 ft) x 25.52 ft x (9.32 / 10.09 ft)
   (70.00 m / 70.00 m) x 7.78 m  x (2.84 / 3.07 m)

Armament:
      3 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 118 lbs / 54 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4 000 ihp / 2 984 Kw = 21.06 kts
   Range 3 800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 178 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   62 - 81

Cost:
   £0.068 million / $0.272 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 22 tons, 3.5 %
      - Guns: 22 tons, 3.5 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armament: 3 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 319 tons, 51.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 119 tons, 19.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 124 tons, 19.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 38 tons, 6.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 28 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     165 lbs / 75 Kg = 5.4 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.38
   Metacentric height 1.1 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 10.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 93 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.23
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.416
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.77 ft / 2.67 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 175.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 95.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 608 Square feet or 335 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 46 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 22 lbs/sq ft or 106 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.53
      - Longitudinal: 1.13
      - Overall: 0.57
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Misc weight:
10t for short wireless
4t for 4x450 torpedoes
24t for different works.
Minesweeper - Minelayer
Troops
Material
Coal
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Alikchi on December 18, 2015, 12:12:35 PM
I like that a lot! Reasonable, economical and useful everywhere.
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on January 18, 2016, 08:22:02 AM
P1 to P12, France PB1 laid down 1904 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   333 t light; 350 t standard; 404 t normal; 448 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (183.73 ft / 183.73 ft) x 21.00 ft x (7.33 / 7.95 ft)
   (56.00 m / 56.00 m) x 6.40 m  x (2.24 / 2.42 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 220 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 5 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 88 lbs / 40 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 930 ihp / 694 Kw = 15.08 kts
   Range 2 800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 98 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   44 - 58

Cost:
   £0.036 million / $0.145 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 16 tons, 4.0 %
      - Guns: 16 tons, 4.0 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 0.9 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 144 tons, 35.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 132 tons, 32.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 71 tons, 17.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 38 tons, 9.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 28 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     336 lbs / 153 Kg = 11.0 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.21
   Metacentric height 0.7 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 10.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.41
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.511
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.75 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 13.55 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  9.51 ft / 2.90 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  9.51 ft / 2.90 m,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m,  6.89 ft / 2.10 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.54 ft / 2.60 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 126.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 86.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 2 471 Square feet or 230 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 30 lbs/sq ft or 148 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.80
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc Weight:
10t for short wireless
4t for 4x450 torpedoes
24t for different works;
Minesweeper - Minelayer
Material
Coal
Troops
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on January 21, 2016, 04:37:43 PM
P1-P15, France 200t coastal patrol craft laid down 1904 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   200 t light; 209 t standard; 220 t normal; 230 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (131.23 ft / 131.23 ft) x 16.40 ft x (7.17 / 7.40 ft)
   (40.00 m / 40.00 m) x 5.00 m  x (2.19 / 2.26 m)

Armament:
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 5 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 26 lbs / 12 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 740 ihp / 552 Kw = 15.11 kts
   Range 800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 21 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   28 - 37

Cost:
   £0.022 million / $0.087 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 5 tons, 2.3 %
      - Guns: 5 tons, 2.3 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0.8 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 95 tons, 42.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 69 tons, 31.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 20 tons, 9.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 30 tons, 13.6 %
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     127 lbs / 58 Kg = 9.9 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
   Metacentric height 0.4 ft / 0.1 m
   Roll period: 11.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 94 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.30
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.89

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.505
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 11.46 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.60 ft / 2.32 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 146.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 72.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 1 434 Square feet or 133 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 81 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 24 lbs/sq ft or 115 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.84
      - Longitudinal: 5.10
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc Weight:
10t for short wireless
4t for 4x450 torpedoes
20t for different works;
Minesweeper - Minelayer
Material
Coal
Troops

Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: The Rock Doctor on January 21, 2016, 06:00:45 PM
Pretty low freeboard; gonna be tough to do stuff in bad weather of any kind.
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on January 22, 2016, 07:56:40 PM
PB, TB, Aviso...
200t, 250t, 333t, 375t, 500t...

I have not made the choice for 1904H1...

:(  ???  :P  :-[   :-\
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Logi on January 22, 2016, 09:26:10 PM
I feel like 333t is the best design: Building three of them rounds nicely to 1 BP used, they have longer range than the smaller variants which makes it much more flexible, and they aren't as expensive to build/maintain as the 500t design which is built to DD/TB standards.
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on January 23, 2016, 07:38:42 PM
Last calculation give:

4x500t TB
2x250t SS
14x250t for coastal patrols (Dunkerque- Brest-Toulon)

with 3BP & 3.73$
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on January 26, 2016, 03:41:05 AM
After much calculations (SS)
PB & TB 200t-250t-291t-333t-375t-500t

I retain Logi suggestion
333t is the best choice.
This class is a kind of "La Lance" aviso torpilleur.

Jef  ;)
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on January 31, 2016, 04:11:35 PM
Some countries built strong destroyers with 100mm or bigger guns.
4 TB5 class are in the 1904 plan.
France update the  TB5 to TB5-2
3x75 => 3x100
4x47 => remove
misc weight: 16t => 14t

TB109 to TB112, France TB5-2 laid down 1902 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   500 t light; 518 t standard; 586 t normal; 641 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.66 ft / 229.66 ft) x 25.52 ft x (8.75 / 9.28 ft)
   (70.00 m / 70.00 m) x 7.78 m  x (2.67 / 2.83 m)

Armament:
      3 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 120 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 92 lbs / 42 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 000 ihp / 5 968 Kw = 25.16 kts
   Range 2 800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 123 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   59 - 77

Cost:
   £0.070 million / $0.279 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 17 tons, 2.8 %
      - Guns: 17 tons, 2.8 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0.5 %
      - Armament: 3 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 341 tons, 58.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 126 tons, 21.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 86 tons, 14.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 14 tons, 2.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 14 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     136 lbs / 62 Kg = 4.5 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.50
   Metacentric height 1.3 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 9.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.15
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.412
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m,  10.66 ft / 3.25 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  10.66 ft / 3.25 m,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.47 ft / 2.89 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 195.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 108.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 608 Square feet or 335 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 23 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 22 lbs/sq ft or 105 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.36
      - Overall: 0.55
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

2.4 tons for 4 torpedoes + 2.4t for 4 reloads
8 mines
Trial speed: 28kts
Bonus: 2.85
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on February 25, 2016, 05:33:36 PM
Testing a kind of Contre-Torpilleur

CP1905, France scout cruiser laid down 1906 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   2 769 t light; 2 875 t standard; 3 272 t normal; 3 590 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393.70 ft / 393.70 ft) x 39.37 ft x (14.78 / 15.85 ft)
   (120.00 m / 120.00 m) x 12.00 m  x (4.50 / 4.83 m)

Armament:
      4 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 180 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1906 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 220 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1906 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1906 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 390 lbs / 177 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 20 000 shp / 14 920 Kw = 25.50 kts
   Range 5 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 715 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   216 - 281

Cost:
   £0.353 million / $1.412 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 99 tons, 3.0 %
      - Guns: 99 tons, 3.0 %
   Armour: 21 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armament: 21 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 1 582 tons, 48.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 021 tons, 31.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 503 tons, 15.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 47 tons, 1.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 22 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1 383 lbs / 627 Kg = 16.5 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.28
   Metacentric height 1.9 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 11.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.36
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.09

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.511
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m
      - Forward deck:   32.00 %,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Aft deck:   33.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.26 ft / 3.74 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 166.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 109.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 10 327 Square feet or 959 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 88 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 64 lbs/sq ft or 314 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.23
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: eltf177 on February 26, 2016, 03:57:19 AM
Very nice, if protection is a bit on the thin side. ::)

I'm guessing miscellaneous weight includes a wireless set and torpedo tubes?
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on February 28, 2016, 04:34:25 PM
CP6 class, France Scout Cruiser laid down 1906 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   3 680 t light; 3 815 t standard; 4 471 t normal; 4 996 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393.70 ft / 393.70 ft) x 43.73 ft x (17.65 / 19.23 ft)
   (120.00 m / 120.00 m) x 13.33 m  x (5.38 / 5.86 m)

Armament:
      4 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 160 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1906 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      4 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 230 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1906 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1906 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 461 lbs / 209 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm   331.36 ft / 101.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 129 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.18" / 30 mm         -         1.57" / 40 mm
   2nd:   1.18" / 30 mm         -         1.57" / 40 mm
   3rd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.97" / 50 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 20 000 shp / 14 920 Kw = 24.18 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 180 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   273 - 355

Cost:
   £0.404 million / $1.615 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 125 tons, 2.8 %
      - Guns: 125 tons, 2.8 %
   Armour: 605 tons, 13.5 %
      - Belts: 207 tons, 4.6 %
      - Armament: 38 tons, 0.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 348 tons, 7.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 12 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 1 650 tons, 36.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 232 tons, 27.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 791 tons, 17.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 69 tons, 1.5 %
      - On freeboard deck: 44 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2 905 lbs / 1 318 Kg = 34.7 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.25
   Metacentric height 2.2 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 12.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 79 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.28
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.515 / 0.528
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  18.37 ft / 5.60 m,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  15.09 ft / 4.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.30 ft / 4.06 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 129.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 103.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 11 631 Square feet or 1 081 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 68 lbs/sq ft or 333 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.45
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Misc weight:
25t - short wireless
4t - torpedoes
40t - mines
---
armor 605t
machinery 1650t
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on June 30, 2016, 05:01:10 PM
Following the battle of Gran Manan and damages caused by torpedoes on the battleships line.
"Ministère de la Guerre" ask to add torpedoes protection to the new 17650t battleships LD in 1905,
a 25mm bulkhead protection is add in the hull.

République & Démocratie, France BB6 class laid down 1905 (Engine 1902)

Displacement:
   17 650 t light; 18 636 t standard; 20 155 t normal; 21 370 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (551.18 ft / 551.18 ft) x 72.18 ft (Bulges 78.74 ft) x (25.96 / 27.39 ft)
   (168.00 m / 168.00 m) x 22.00 m (Bulges 24.00 m)  x (7.91 / 8.35 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 873.08lbs / 396.02kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 873.08lbs / 396.02kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on sides amidships
      12 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1905 Model
     12 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      16 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1905 Model
     16 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
      8 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 8 490 lbs / 3 851 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   364.17 ft / 111.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm   164.04 ft / 50.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     22.97 ft / 7.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   364.17 ft / 111.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 102 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
      0.98" / 25 mm   364.17 ft / 111.00 m   26.25 ft / 8.00 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 72.18 ft / 22.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      10.6" / 270 mm
   2nd:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      10.6" / 270 mm
   3rd:   2.76" / 70 mm   2.76" / 70 mm      2.76" / 70 mm
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -         0.98" / 25 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.63" / 270 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 28 000 ihp / 20 888 Kw = 21.03 kts
   Range 7 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 734 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   845 - 1 099

Cost:
   £1.930 million / $7.719 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 482 tons, 7.4 %
      - Guns: 1 482 tons, 7.4 %
   Armour: 6 084 tons, 30.2 %
      - Belts: 2 746 tons, 13.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 348 tons, 1.7 %
      - Armament: 1 327 tons, 6.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 381 tons, 6.9 %
      - Conning Towers: 283 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 4 200 tons, 20.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 583 tons, 27.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 505 tons, 12.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.5 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - Hull above water: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 250 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     18 387 lbs / 8 340 Kg = 21.2 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.26
   Metacentric height 4.6 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 15.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.56
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.45

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.626 / 0.629
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.48 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  24.93 ft / 7.60 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.59 ft / 5.06 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 105.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 29 810 Square feet or 2 769 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 147 lbs/sq ft or 719 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.34
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

25t for extra pumps installation
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: snip on June 30, 2016, 05:39:56 PM
Any form of TDS requires the 1905 BB/AC Architecture tech.
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Tanthalas on June 30, 2016, 05:41:55 PM
HA that was what I was about to post... although my post was much more involved and (shockingly) diplomatic.

Quote from: snip on June 30, 2016, 05:39:56 PM
Any form of TDS requires the 1905 BB/AC Architecture tech.
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Logi on June 30, 2016, 06:10:46 PM
Quote1905 (Engine 1902)
This is also quite strange. There is no tech that gives engine year 1902, only 1900 or 1905.
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on July 03, 2016, 04:34:31 PM
RépubliqueDémocratie, France BB6 class laid down 1905

Displacement:
   17 700 t light; 18 686 t standard; 20 143 t normal; 21 309 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (551.18 ft / 551.18 ft) x 72.18 ft (Bulges 78.74 ft) x (25.34 / 26.69 ft)
   (168.00 m / 168.00 m) x 22.00 m (Bulges 24.00 m)  x (7.72 / 8.14 m)

Armament:
      8 - 12.01" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 873.07lbs / 396.02kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount fore - superfiring
      12 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1905 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1905 Model
     16 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
      8 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 8 490 lbs / 3 851 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   357.61 ft / 109.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm   183.73 ft / 56.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     9.84 ft / 3.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   357.61 ft / 109.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      10.6" / 270 mm
   3rd:   2.76" / 70 mm   2.76" / 70 mm      2.76" / 70 mm
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -         0.98" / 25 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.63" / 270 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 28 000 ihp / 20 888 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 7 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 623 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   845 - 1 099

Cost:
   £1.906 million / $7.624 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 482 tons, 7.4 %
      - Guns: 1 482 tons, 7.4 %
   Armour: 5 893 tons, 29.3 %
      - Belts: 2 744 tons, 13.6 %
      - Armament: 1 466 tons, 7.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 400 tons, 6.9 %
      - Conning Towers: 283 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 4 018 tons, 19.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 007 tons, 29.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 443 tons, 12.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.5 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - Hull above water: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 250 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     19 309 lbs / 8 758 Kg = 22.3 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.18
   Metacentric height 4.2 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 16.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.73
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.50

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.641 / 0.644
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.48 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  22.97 ft / 7.00 m,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.81 ft / 5.43 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 98.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 117.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 30 225 Square feet or 2 808 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 146 lbs/sq ft or 715 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.34
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

25t for extra pumps installation
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on July 07, 2016, 05:04:25 PM
An additionnal 280t gunboat class made to protect colonies
She use the same engines as the 333t Patrol boat nearly finish
Note the short draught for coastal & estuaries operations

P13-P24, France Patrouilleur 280t laid down 1905

Displacement:
   280 t light; 292 t standard; 316 t normal; 335 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (144.36 ft / 144.36 ft) x 21.06 ft x (5.91 / 6.20 ft)
   (44.00 m / 44.00 m) x 6.42 m  x (1.80 / 1.89 m)

Armament:
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 26 lbs / 12 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.24" / 6 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.24" / 6 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 930 ihp / 694 Kw = 14.98 kts
   Range 1 400nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 43 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   36 - 48

Cost:
   £0.029 million / $0.115 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 5 tons, 1.7 %
      - Guns: 5 tons, 1.7 %
   Armour: 6 tons, 2.0 %
      - Armament: 6 tons, 2.0 %
   Machinery: 124 tons, 39.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 89 tons, 28.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 36 tons, 11.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 55 tons, 17.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 55 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     234 lbs / 106 Kg = 18.2 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
   Metacentric height 0.7 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 10.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.12

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.616 / 0.622
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.85 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 12.01 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 64
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  5.91 ft / 1.80 m
      - Average freeboard:      6.92 ft / 2.11 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 133.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 80.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 2 257 Square feet or 210 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 92 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 27 lbs/sq ft or 133 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.96
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Misc weight 55t:
10t for short wireless
2T for 2 TTx450
43t reserved
for minelayer
troop
material
additional coal for long cruise
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on July 16, 2016, 03:53:13 PM
Always for colonies work:
a kind of light 1905 DE

P2, France Torpedo Escort Craft laid down 1905

Displacement:
   250 t light; 269 t standard; 291 t normal; 309 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (164.04 ft / 164.04 ft) x 22.97 ft x (5.15 / 5.39 ft)
   (50.00 m / 50.00 m) x 7.00 m  x (1.57 / 1.64 m)

Armament:
      3 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.99lbs / 5.89kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 600 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 45 lbs / 21 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 1 703 ihp / 1 271 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 1 400nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 40 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   34 - 45

Cost:
   £0.030 million / $0.122 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 9 tons, 3.1 %
      - Guns: 9 tons, 3.1 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 1.5 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 1.5 %
   Machinery: 138 tons, 47.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 57 tons, 19.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 41 tons, 14.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 42 tons, 14.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 42 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     100 lbs / 45 Kg = 7.8 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.38
   Metacentric height 1.0 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 9.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.11
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.525 / 0.532
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.14 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 12.81 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.83 ft / 2.39 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 164.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 108.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 2 569 Square feet or 239 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 52 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 16 lbs/sq ft or 80 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.14
      - Overall: 0.55
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

misc weight 42t
2t for 2x450 torpedoes
40 t for different accomodations
troops
coal
mines
new guns
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Kaiser Kirk on July 16, 2016, 09:19:53 PM
you need to make it 2 knots faster to qualify for TB/DD architecture.
QuoteDestroyer and TB architecture - Top speed no less than 20kts, cross-sectional hull strength > 0.49
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on July 18, 2016, 04:32:50 PM
P2, France 20kts  Torpedo Boat laid down 1905

Speed could be update to 21kts

Displacement:
   300 t light; 314 t standard; 338 t normal; 357 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (164.04 ft / 164.04 ft) x 21.87 ft (Bulges 21.88 ft) x (6.94 / 7.22 ft)
   (50.00 m / 50.00 m) x 6.67 m (Bulges 6.67 m)  x (2.12 / 2.20 m)

Armament:
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.99lbs / 5.89kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 5 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 32 lbs / 15 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2 775 ihp / 2 070 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 1 400nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 43 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   39 - 51

Cost:
   £0.037 million / $0.146 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 7 tons, 1.9 %
      - Guns: 7 tons, 1.9 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0.5 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 173 tons, 51.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 63 tons, 18.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 38 tons, 11.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 55 tons, 16.3 %
      - On freeboard deck: 35 tons
      - Above deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     88 lbs / 40 Kg = 6.9 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
   Metacentric height 0.7 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 11.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.11
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.475 / 0.482
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 12.81 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 66 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m,  8.69 ft / 2.65 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  8.69 ft / 2.65 m,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.18 ft / 2.49 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 172.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 90.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 2 337 Square feet or 217 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 39 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 17 lbs/sq ft or 82 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.64
      - Overall: 0.56
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

misc weight 55t
2t for 2x450 torpedoes
53 t for different accomodations
troops
coal
mines
new guns
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on July 19, 2016, 04:55:22 PM
TB113 to TB124, France TB6 colonial-325t laid down 1905

Displacement:
   325 t light; 339 t standard; 363 t normal; 383 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (183.73 ft / 183.73 ft) x 22.97 ft x (6.41 / 6.67 ft)
   (56.00 m / 56.00 m) x 7.00 m  x (1.96 / 2.03 m)

Armament:
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 350 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 450 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 32 lbs / 15 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.31" / 8 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.31" / 8 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.31" / 8 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3 320 ihp / 2 477 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 1 400nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 44 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   41 - 54

Cost:
   £0.040 million / $0.160 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 7 tons, 1.8 %
      - Guns: 7 tons, 1.8 %
   Armour: 6 tons, 1.7 %
      - Armament: 6 tons, 1.7 %
   Machinery: 192 tons, 52.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 74 tons, 20.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 39 tons, 10.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 46 tons, 12.7 %
      - On freeboard deck: 26 tons
      - Above deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     100 lbs / 45 Kg = 7.8 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.26
   Metacentric height 0.8 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 10.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.09
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.470 / 0.477
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 13.55 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.40 ft / 2.56 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 176.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 103.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 2 737 Square feet or 254 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 36 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 17 lbs/sq ft or 85 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.33
      - Overall: 0.55
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Trial speed: 24.5kts
Bonus: 3.5
Misc weight 46t:
2t for 2x450mm torpedoes
44t for different accomodations:
TT reloads
materials
troops
coal
mines
new guns
...
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on July 23, 2016, 05:26:23 PM
Rework the 325t DD for escort work

TB113 to TB124, France TB6 escort-325t laid down 1905

Displacement:
   325 t light; 343 t standard; 387 t normal; 422 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (196.85 ft / 196.85 ft) x 21.87 ft x (6.53 / 6.97 ft)
   (60.00 m / 60.00 m) x 6.67 m  x (1.99 / 2.12 m)

Armament:
      3 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.99lbs / 5.89kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 450 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 45 lbs / 21 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.31" / 8 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.31" / 8 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.31" / 8 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3 400 ihp / 2 536 Kw = 21.17 kts
   Range 2 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 80 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   43 - 56

Cost:
   £0.043 million / $0.171 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 9 tons, 2.3 %
      - Guns: 9 tons, 2.3 %
   Armour: 7 tons, 1.8 %
      - Armament: 7 tons, 1.8 %
   Machinery: 206 tons, 53.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 78 tons, 20.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 62 tons, 16.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 24 tons, 6.2 %
      - On freeboard deck: 24 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     105 lbs / 48 Kg = 8.2 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.42
   Metacentric height 0.9 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 9.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.16
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.16

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.482 / 0.493
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.03 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.40 ft / 2.56 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 180.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 102.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 2 822 Square feet or 262 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 38 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 17 lbs/sq ft or 85 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.24
      - Overall: 0.55
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Trial speed: 24.5kts
Bonus: 3.5
Misc weight 24t
2t for 2x450mm torpedoes
22t for different accomodations
TT reloads
materials
troops
coal
mines
new guns
...
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on July 23, 2016, 05:31:10 PM
Identical with 3x100

TB113 to TB124, France TB6 escort-325t laid down 1905

Displacement:
   325 t light; 350 t standard; 395 t normal; 431 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (196.85 ft / 196.85 ft) x 21.87 ft x (6.53 / 6.97 ft)
   (60.00 m / 60.00 m) x 6.67 m  x (1.99 / 2.12 m)

Armament:
      3 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 450 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 99 lbs / 45 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.31" / 8 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.31" / 8 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3 400 ihp / 2 536 Kw = 21.07 kts
   Range 2 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 81 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   43 - 57

Cost:
   £0.045 million / $0.181 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 18 tons, 4.6 %
      - Guns: 18 tons, 4.6 %
   Armour: 8 tons, 1.9 %
      - Armament: 8 tons, 1.9 %
   Machinery: 207 tons, 52.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 78 tons, 19.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 70 tons, 17.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 14 tons, 3.5 %
      - On freeboard deck: 14 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     102 lbs / 46 Kg = 3.4 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.44
   Metacentric height 1.0 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 9.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.34
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.15

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.492 / 0.503
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.03 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.40 ft / 2.56 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 184.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 103.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 2 848 Square feet or 265 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 38 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 18 lbs/sq ft or 90 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.28
      - Overall: 0.55
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Trial speed: 24.5kts
Bonus: 3.5
Misc weight 14t
2t for 2x450mm torpedoes
12t for different accomodations
TT reloads
materials
troops
coal
mines
new guns
...
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on August 01, 2016, 05:21:31 PM
With the same 8000 shp engines used on the last TB5 & TB5-2,
TB6 had 4 x100 guns on a thinner hull

This class could be built in place of the obsolet 1892-125t TB

TB113 to TB124, France TB6 laid down 1905

Displacement:
   500 t light; 521 t standard; 585 t normal; 636 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.66 ft / 229.66 ft) x 22.97 ft x (9.15 / 9.69 ft)
   (70.00 m / 70.00 m) x 7.00 m  x (2.79 / 2.95 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 140 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread
      1 raised mount
      2 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 130 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 123 lbs / 56 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.31" / 8 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 000 ihp / 5 968 Kw = 25.17 kts
   Range 2 800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 114 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   59 - 77

Cost:
   £0.070 million / $0.281 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 22 tons, 3.8 %
      - Guns: 22 tons, 3.8 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armament: 3 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 334 tons, 57.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 121 tons, 20.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 85 tons, 14.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 20 tons, 3.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     121 lbs / 55 Kg = 4.0 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.33
   Metacentric height 0.9 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 10.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.36
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.04

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.424 / 0.435
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m,  8.86 ft / 2.70 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  8.86 ft / 2.70 m,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.29 ft / 2.83 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 194.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 95.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 298 Square feet or 306 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 25 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 21 lbs/sq ft or 104 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.51
      - Overall: 0.55
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

1 division = 4 DDs
2.4 tons for 4 torpedoes + 2.4t for 4 reloads
- 16 mines for 2DDs
- 10t for short wireless  for 2 DDs

Trial speed: 28kts
Bonus: 2.83
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Kaiser Kirk on August 02, 2016, 07:39:34 PM
It seems a pretty good little vessel.
I'll confess it considerably outclasses the 350t Italian DD's I was considering, so if you go forward with it, I'll need to go with a 500t class as well.

I have a little concern with the 4x 100mm + 2x twin TT.  Each of those guns has to be about 5m for clearance, you do have 1 superimposed, and then those TT will run 6-7m long and need some clearance at both ends to turn. So you need 30-35m of length just to clear your weapons. Then you need bow and stern clearance, room for superstructure, boats, and funnels.
The comparable vessel seems to be the RN's River class of 1904, but wiki only has pictures, no deckplan to see how things fit in.

Oh, and I'm puzzled by your torpedoes. 2.4tons for 4 mean... 0.6tons each?
our torpedo tech puts them either at 0.5 tons or 1 ton.
Torpedo Technologies
1890: 800m@26kts range, 50kg warhead (-1 dam.), compressed air 0.5t, 16" dia.
1890: 1200@26, 400@35, 100kg warhead (+0 dam.), compressed air 0.5t, 16"
1899: 3000@26, 1500@30, 100kg warhead(+0 dam.), early wet heater 1t, 18"
1905: 5000@26, 2200@35, 100kg warhead, imp. wet heater, 1t, 18"
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on August 03, 2016, 02:19:44 AM
I could use turbines techno for 1905H2. So, with TE, this class is just a study.

I prefer Torpedo / Escort /Patrol / colonial gunboat
1905 - 325t/356t - 21kts - TE - 2800nm - 3x100+2x75 - 4TTx450 (1t )
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on August 03, 2016, 05:00:30 PM
I like this one  :)

P13 to P24, France TB Escort-356t laid down 1905

Displacement:
   356 t light; 379 t standard; 432 t normal; 474 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (213.25 ft / 213.25 ft) x 22.97 ft x (6.25 / 6.71 ft)
   (65.00 m / 65.00 m) x 7.00 m  x (1.91 / 2.04 m)

Armament:
      3 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.99lbs / 5.89kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 118 lbs / 54 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.31" / 8 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.31" / 8 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3 400 ihp / 2 536 Kw = 20.99 kts
   Range 2 800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 95 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   46 - 61

Cost:
   £0.049 million / $0.197 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 22 tons, 5.0 %
      - Guns: 22 tons, 5.0 %
   Armour: 8 tons, 1.8 %
      - Armament: 8 tons, 1.8 %
   Machinery: 222 tons, 51.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 85 tons, 19.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 76 tons, 17.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 20 tons, 4.6 %
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     117 lbs / 53 Kg = 3.8 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.43
   Metacentric height 1.0 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 9.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.34
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.15

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.494 / 0.506
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.29 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.60 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.40 ft / 2.56 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 180.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 109.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 245 Square feet or 302 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 41 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 19 lbs/sq ft or 92 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.00
      - Overall: 0.53
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Trial speed: 24.5kts
Bonus: 3.49
Misc weight 20t
4t for 4x450mm torpedoes
16t for different accomodations
TT reloads
materials
troops
coal
mines
new guns
...
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on August 07, 2016, 05:47:53 PM
... Or the last TB5-2 - 500t

=> to have 16 x 500t TB with 8000 shp TE

TB113 to TB116, France TB5-2 laid down 1905

Displacement:
   500 t light; 518 t standard; 586 t normal; 640 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.66 ft / 229.66 ft) x 25.52 ft x (8.74 / 9.27 ft)
   (70.00 m / 70.00 m) x 7.78 m  x (2.67 / 2.82 m)

Armament:
      3 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 120 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 92 lbs / 42 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 000 ihp / 5 968 Kw = 25.17 kts
   Range 3 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 122 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   59 - 77

Cost:
   £0.069 million / $0.277 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 17 tons, 2.8 %
      - Guns: 17 tons, 2.8 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0.5 %
      - Armament: 3 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 337 tons, 57.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 126 tons, 21.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 85 tons, 14.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 18 tons, 3.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 18 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     138 lbs / 63 Kg = 4.5 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.46
   Metacentric height 1.2 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 9.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.15
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.412
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m,  10.83 ft / 3.30 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  10.83 ft / 3.30 m,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.51 ft / 2.90 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 193.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 108.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 608 Square feet or 335 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 25 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 22 lbs/sq ft or 105 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.38
      - Overall: 0.55
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

4 tons for 4 torpedoes + 4t for 4 reloads
10 mines
Trial speed: 28kts
Bonus: 2.85
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on August 19, 2016, 05:19:54 PM
TB113 to TB121, France TBE-490t laid down 1905

Displacement:
   490 t light; 510 t standard; 574 t normal; 624 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.66 ft / 229.66 ft) x 22.97 ft x (9.51 / 10.15 ft)
   (70.00 m / 70.00 m) x 7.00 m  x (2.90 / 3.09 m)

Armament:
      3 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 120 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 118 lbs / 54 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 600 ihp / 5 670 Kw = 25.02 kts
   Range 2 800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 114 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   58 - 76

Cost:
   £0.069 million / $0.275 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 22 tons, 3.8 %
      - Guns: 22 tons, 3.8 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 0.8 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 327 tons, 57.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 123 tons, 21.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 84 tons, 14.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 14 tons, 2.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 14 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     125 lbs / 57 Kg = 4.1 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.40
   Metacentric height 1.0 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 9.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.33
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.12

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.408
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 64
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m,  8.86 ft / 2.70 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  8.86 ft / 2.70 m,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.26 ft / 2.82 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 193.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 96.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 247 Square feet or 302 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 25 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 22 lbs/sq ft or 106 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.63
      - Overall: 0.57
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

4 tons for 4 torpedoes + 4t for 4 reloads
10 mines
Trial speed: 27.5kts
Bonus: 2.48
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on August 20, 2016, 04:26:40 PM
First Contre Torpilleurs built by France

This class is made to protect the battleline vs TBs attack
with 4x100 & 4TT & 3000nm range.
They use the French classic 4x2000shp TE engines developed since 1902
These engines are reliable & efficient.
They are used on TB5 class, TB5-2 & now CT1

CT1-CT8, France CT1 class laid down 1905H1

Displacement:
   495 t light; 515 t standard; 583 t normal; 638 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.66 ft / 229.66 ft) x 22.97 ft x (9.68 / 10.27 ft)
   (70.00 m / 70.00 m) x 7.00 m  x (2.95 / 3.13 m)

Armament:
      4 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 120 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount fore-  superfiring
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 123 lbs / 56 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 000 ihp / 5 968 Kw = 25.26 kts
   Range 3 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 123 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   59 - 77

Cost:
   £0.070 million / $0.281 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 22 tons, 3.8 %
      - Guns: 22 tons, 3.8 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 334 tons, 57.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 119 tons, 20.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 88 tons, 15.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 18 tons, 2.7 %
      - On freeboard deck: 8 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     112 lbs / 51 Kg = 3.7 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.30
   Metacentric height 0.9 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 10.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.34
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.05

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.412
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.09 ft / 2.77 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 194.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 84.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 247 Square feet or 302 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 25 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 21 lbs/sq ft or 104 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.53
      - Overall: 0.56
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

4 tons for 4 torpedoes + 4t for 4 reloads
10t for short wireless
Trial speed: 28kts
Bonus: 2.74

Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on August 22, 2016, 04:26:31 PM
Same CT built with turbines techno in 1905H2
With turbines, speed increase from 25.2 to 26.2Kts ...   :-\

CT1-CT8, France CT1 laid down 1905

Displacement:
   500 t light; 520 t standard; 605 t normal; 674 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (252.62 ft / 252.62 ft) x 25.26 ft x (8.30 / 8.91 ft)
   (77.00 m / 77.00 m) x 7.70 m  x (2.53 / 2.72 m)

Armament:
      4 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 120 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 123 lbs / 56 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9 045 shp / 6 748 Kw = 26.20 kts
   Range 3 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 154 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   60 - 79

Cost:
   £0.069 million / $0.275 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 22 tons, 3.7 %
      - Guns: 22 tons, 3.7 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 323 tons, 53.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 133 tons, 22.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 106 tons, 17.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 18 tons, 3.0 %
      - On freeboard deck: 8 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     146 lbs / 66 Kg = 4.8 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 1.1 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 10.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.25
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.02

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.415
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.89 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.44 ft / 2.88 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 181.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 103.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 928 Square feet or 365 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 39 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 22 lbs/sq ft or 105 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.14
      - Overall: 0.54
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

4 tons for 4 torpedoes + 4t for 4 reloads
10t for short wireless
Trial speed: 28.5kts
Bonus: 2.3
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on August 28, 2016, 04:09:19 PM
Based on the TB4 class (380t),

TB113 to TB120, France TB6-400t laid down 1905

Displacement:
   400 t light; 417 t standard; 476 t normal; 522 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (223.10 ft / 223.10 ft) x 24.78 ft x (7.53 / 8.01 ft)
   (68.00 m / 68.00 m) x 7.55 m  x (2.30 / 2.44 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 179 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck forward
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      Weight of broadside 88 lbs / 40 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6 000 ihp / 4 476 Kw = 24.16 kts
   Range 2 950nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 105 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   50 - 66

Cost:
   £0.056 million / $0.225 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 16 tons, 3.4 %
      - Guns: 16 tons, 3.4 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 0.7 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 270 tons, 56.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 102 tons, 21.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 76 tons, 15.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 8 tons, 1.7 %
      - On freeboard deck: 8 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     116 lbs / 52 Kg = 3.8 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.55
   Metacentric height 1.3 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 9.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.14
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.03

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.413
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.01 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.94 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m,  11.32 ft / 3.45 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.82 ft / 2.69 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 192.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 93.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 403 Square feet or 316 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 27 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 20 lbs/sq ft or 97 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.16
      - Overall: 0.54
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Trial speed: 27.5kts
Bonus: 3.31
Misc weight: 8T => 4TTx450 + 4 reloads
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on September 05, 2016, 05:43:35 PM
for memory
12 DE x 356t or
10 DE x 428t or
8 DE x 495t + 326t
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on September 06, 2016, 04:42:43 PM
TB113 to TB124, France TB6 laid down 1905

Displacement:
   425 t light; 448 t standard; 510 t normal; 560 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229,66 ft / 229,66 ft) x 22,97 ft x (8,46 / 9,00 ft)
   (70,00 m / 70,00 m) x 7,00 m  x (2,58 / 2,74 m)

Armament:
      3 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,78lbs / 13,96kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,99lbs / 5,89kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck forward
      2 - 0,31" / 8,0 mm 76,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 118 lbs / 54 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6 000 ihp / 4 476 Kw = 24,07 kts
   Range 3 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 113 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   53 - 69

Cost:
   £0,060 million / $0,242 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 22 tons, 4,2 %
      - Guns: 22 tons, 4,2 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 0,9 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0,9 %
   Machinery: 284 tons, 55,7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 98 tons, 19,3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 86 tons, 16,8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 16 tons, 3,1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 16 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     103 lbs / 47 Kg = 3,4 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,40
   Metacentric height 1,0 ft / 0,3 m
   Roll period: 9,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,30
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,400 / 0,413
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15,15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   19,00 %,  12,47 ft / 3,80 m,  11,15 ft / 3,40 m
      - Forward deck:   25,00 %,  7,55 ft / 2,30 m,  7,55 ft / 2,30 m
      - Aft deck:   31,00 %,  7,55 ft / 2,30 m,  7,22 ft / 2,20 m
      - Quarter deck:   25,00 %,  7,22 ft / 2,20 m,  7,22 ft / 2,20 m
      - Average freeboard:      8,20 ft / 2,50 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 191,8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 87,0 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 247 Square feet or 302 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 28 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 20 lbs/sq ft or 97 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 1,04
      - Overall: 0,53
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

4 tons for 4 torpedoes +  4t for 4 reloads
8 mines
Trial speed: 27kts
Bonus: 3.02
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on September 10, 2016, 04:16:49 PM
CT1-CT8, France CT1 laid down 1905

Displacement:
   495 t light; 515 t standard; 583 t normal; 638 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229,66 ft / 229,66 ft) x 22,97 ft x (9,68 / 10,27 ft)
   (70,00 m / 70,00 m) x 7,00 m  x (2,95 / 3,13 m)

Armament:
      3 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,78lbs / 13,96kg shells, 120 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,98lbs / 5,89kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 - 0,31" / 8,0 mm 76,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 118 lbs / 54 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 000 ihp / 5 968 Kw = 25,26 kts
   Range 3 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 123 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   59 - 77

Cost:
   £0,070 million / $0,280 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 22 tons, 3,7 %
      - Guns: 22 tons, 3,7 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 0,8 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0,8 %
   Machinery: 334 tons, 57,2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 117 tons, 20,0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 89 tons, 15,2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 18 tons, 3,1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 8 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     110 lbs / 50 Kg = 3,6 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,30
   Metacentric height 0,9 ft / 0,3 m
   Roll period: 10,3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,32
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,02

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,400 / 0,412
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15,15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25,00 %,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  12,14 ft / 3,70 m
      - Forward deck:   25,00 %,  8,20 ft / 2,50 m,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m
      - Aft deck:   25,00 %,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m,  7,55 ft / 2,30 m
      - Quarter deck:   25,00 %,  7,55 ft / 2,30 m,  7,55 ft / 2,30 m
      - Average freeboard:      8,96 ft / 2,73 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 194,5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 82,5 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 247 Square feet or 302 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 25 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 21 lbs/sq ft or 103 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 1,45
      - Overall: 0,56
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

4 tons for 4 torpedoes + 4t for 4 reloads
10t for short wireless
Trial speed: 28kts
Bonus: 2.74
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on September 15, 2016, 04:24:14 PM
TorpedoGunBoat
TGB, France TGB laid down 1905

Displacement:
   270 t light; 286 t standard; 334 t normal; 373 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (196,85 ft / 196,85 ft) x 20,77 ft x (7,15 / 7,69 ft)
   (60,00 m / 60,00 m) x 6,33 m  x (2,18 / 2,34 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,98lbs / 5,89kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      2 - 0,31" / 8,0 mm 76,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 88 lbs / 40 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,20" / 5 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2 843 ihp / 2 121 Kw = 21,00 kts
   Range 3 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 86 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   38 - 50

Cost:
   £0,039 million / $0,154 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 16 tons, 4,8 %
      - Guns: 16 tons, 4,8 %
   Armour: 1 tons, 0,3 %
      - Armament: 1 tons, 0,3 %
   Machinery: 177 tons, 52,9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 70 tons, 20,9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 64 tons, 19,3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 6 tons, 1,8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 6 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     85 lbs / 39 Kg = 2,8 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,42
   Metacentric height 0,9 ft / 0,3 m
   Roll period: 9,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,35
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,42

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,400 / 0,415
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,48 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14,03 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25,00 %,  11,15 ft / 3,40 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Forward deck:   25,00 %,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m,  7,55 ft / 2,30 m
      - Aft deck:   25,00 %,  7,55 ft / 2,30 m,  7,22 ft / 2,20 m
      - Quarter deck:   25,00 %,  7,22 ft / 2,20 m,  6,89 ft / 2,10 m
      - Average freeboard:      8,13 ft / 2,48 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 184,6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 94,8 %
   Waterplane Area: 2 516 Square feet or 234 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 39 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 18 lbs/sq ft or 86 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 1,48
      - Overall: 0,56
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Trial speed: 25.5kts
Bonus: 4.5
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on September 25, 2016, 04:24:33 PM
470t is the typical displacement alowed in my 1905H1 report for 4 DE
I use 3/4 of the 8000shp TE of the last 500t class

TB113 to TB124, France TB5 laid down 1905

Displacement:
   470 t light; 495 t standard; 561 t normal; 614 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229,66 ft / 229,66 ft) x 22,97 ft x (8,78 / 9,34 ft)
   (70,00 m / 70,00 m) x 7,00 m  x (2,68 / 2,85 m)

Armament:
      3 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,78lbs / 13,96kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,98lbs / 5,89kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck forward
      2 - 0,31" / 8,0 mm 76,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 118 lbs / 54 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6 000 ihp / 4 476 Kw = 23,65 kts
   Range 3 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 119 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   56 - 74

Cost:
   £0,065 million / $0,262 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 22 tons, 3,8 %
      - Guns: 22 tons, 3,8 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 0,8 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0,8 %
   Machinery: 308 tons, 55,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 115 tons, 20,5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 91 tons, 16,3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 20 tons, 3,6 %
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     126 lbs / 57 Kg = 4,1 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,33
   Metacentric height 0,9 ft / 0,3 m
   Roll period: 10,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 86 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,40
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,25

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,424 / 0,436
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15,15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25,00 %,  12,47 ft / 3,80 m,  10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Forward deck:   25,00 %,  10,50 ft / 3,20 m,  8,86 ft / 2,70 m
      - Aft deck:   30,00 %,  8,86 ft / 2,70 m,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m
      - Quarter deck:   20,00 %,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m,  7,55 ft / 2,30 m
      - Average freeboard:      9,29 ft / 2,83 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 188,6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100,5 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 298 Square feet or 306 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 31 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 21 lbs/sq ft or 100 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 1,48
      - Overall: 0,55
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Misc weight: 20t
4t for 4 TT x 450
4t for 4 TT reloads
12t for:
coal
materials
mines
...


Trial speed: 26.5kts
Bonus: 2.85
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on October 03, 2016, 05:04:23 PM
Built to be used in european waters...

TB113 to TB120, France TB6-400t laid down 1905

Displacement:
   400 t light; 419 t standard; 459 t normal; 490 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (216,54 ft / 216,54 ft) x 24,05 ft x (7,71 / 8,06 ft)
   (66,00 m / 66,00 m) x 7,33 m  x (2,35 / 2,46 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,98lbs / 5,89kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 - 0,31" / 8,0 mm 76,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 88 lbs / 40 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6 000 ihp / 4 476 Kw = 24,20 kts
   Range 2 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 71 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   49 - 64

Cost:
   £0,055 million / $0,219 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 16 tons, 3,5 %
      - Guns: 16 tons, 3,5 %
   Armour: 6 tons, 1,2 %
      - Armament: 6 tons, 1,2 %
   Machinery: 260 tons, 56,7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 100 tons, 21,7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 59 tons, 12,9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 18 tons, 3,9 %
      - On freeboard deck: 18 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     108 lbs / 49 Kg = 3,5 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,42
   Metacentric height 1,1 ft / 0,3 m
   Roll period: 9,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,18
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,400 / 0,409
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14,72 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25,00 %,  10,66 ft / 3,25 m,  10,66 ft / 3,25 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00 %,  8,69 ft / 2,65 m,  8,37 ft / 2,55 m
      - Aft deck:   20,00 %,  8,37 ft / 2,55 m,  8,04 ft / 2,45 m
      - Quarter deck:   25,00 %,  8,04 ft / 2,45 m,  7,71 ft / 2,35 m
      - Average freeboard:      8,83 ft / 2,69 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 193,2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 104,3 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 205 Square feet or 298 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 26 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 20 lbs/sq ft or 98 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 1,33
      - Overall: 0,55
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Trial speed: 27.5kts
Bonus: 3.3
Misc Weight: 18t
4t for 4 TTx450
4t for 4 TT reload
10t for 10 mines
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on October 07, 2016, 04:51:43 PM
TB113 to TB124, France TB6 laid down 1905

Displacement:
   440 t light; 462 t standard; 525 t normal; 576 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229,66 ft / 229,66 ft) x 23,43 ft x (8,55 / 9,08 ft)
   (70,00 m / 70,00 m) x 7,14 m  x (2,61 / 2,77 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,78lbs / 13,96kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,99lbs / 5,89kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 - 0,31" / 8,0 mm 76,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 88 lbs / 40 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6 000 ihp / 4 476 Kw = 23,95 kts
   Range 3 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 114 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   54 - 71

Cost:
   £0,061 million / $0,243 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 16 tons, 3,1 %
      - Guns: 16 tons, 3,1 %
   Armour: 6 tons, 1,1 %
      - Armament: 6 tons, 1,1 %
   Machinery: 292 tons, 55,6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 100 tons, 19,1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 85 tons, 16,2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 26 tons, 4,9 %
      - On freeboard deck: 16 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     111 lbs / 51 Kg = 3,7 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,38
   Metacentric height 1,0 ft / 0,3 m
   Roll period: 9,8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,17
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,02

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,400 / 0,413
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,80 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15,15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25,00 %,  11,15 ft / 3,40 m,  10,17 ft / 3,10 m
      - Forward deck:   25,00 %,  8,20 ft / 2,50 m,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m
      - Aft deck:   25,00 %,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m,  7,22 ft / 2,20 m
      - Quarter deck:   25,00 %,  7,22 ft / 2,20 m,  6,89 ft / 2,10 m
      - Average freeboard:      8,30 ft / 2,53 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 188,5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 91,0 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 312 Square feet or 308 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 29 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 19 lbs/sq ft or 95 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 1,03
      - Overall: 0,53
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

misc weight: 26t
10t for short wireless
4 tons for 4 torpedoes +  4t for 4 reloads
8 mines
Trial speed: 27kts
Bonus: 3.05
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on October 14, 2016, 06:05:03 PM
TB113 to TB120, France TB5 laid down 1905

Displacement:
   425 t light; 448 t standard; 511 t normal; 561 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229,66 ft / 229,66 ft) x 22,97 ft x (8,47 / 9,01 ft)
   (70,00 m / 70,00 m) x 7,00 m  x (2,58 / 2,75 m)

Armament:
      3 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,78lbs / 13,96kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,99lbs / 5,89kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, forward deck aft
      2 - 0,31" / 8,0 mm 76,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 118 lbs / 54 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6 000 ihp / 4 476 Kw = 24,07 kts
   Range 3 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 113 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   53 - 69

Cost:
   £0,061 million / $0,242 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 22 tons, 4,2 %
      - Guns: 22 tons, 4,2 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 0,9 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0,9 %
   Machinery: 284 tons, 55,7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 98 tons, 19,3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 86 tons, 16,8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 16 tons, 3,1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 16 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     103 lbs / 47 Kg = 3,4 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,40
   Metacentric height 1,0 ft / 0,3 m
   Roll period: 9,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,30
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,400 / 0,413
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15,15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   19,00 %,  12,47 ft / 3,80 m,  11,15 ft / 3,40 m
      - Forward deck:   25,00 %,  7,55 ft / 2,30 m,  7,55 ft / 2,30 m
      - Aft deck:   31,00 %,  7,55 ft / 2,30 m,  7,22 ft / 2,20 m
      - Quarter deck:   25,00 %,  7,22 ft / 2,20 m,  7,22 ft / 2,20 m
      - Average freeboard:      8,20 ft / 2,50 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 191,8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 87,0 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 247 Square feet or 302 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 28 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 20 lbs/sq ft or 97 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 1,04
      - Overall: 0,53
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

4 tons for 4 torpedoes +  4t for 4 reloads
8 mines
Trial speed: 27kts
Bonus: 3.02
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on November 29, 2016, 04:47:08 PM
Testing a 27kts DD for Channel work

TB121 to TB124, France TB7 - Channel class laid down 1905

Displacement:
   460 t light; 483 t standard; 511 t normal; 532 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229,66 ft / 229,66 ft) x 22,97 ft x (8,47 / 8,71 ft)
   (70,00 m / 70,00 m) x 7,00 m  x (2,58 / 2,65 m)

Armament:
      3 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,78lbs / 13,96kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,99lbs / 5,89kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, forward deck aft
      2 - 0,31" / 8,0 mm 76,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 118 lbs / 54 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9 800 shp / 7 311 Kw = 27,05 kts
   Range 1 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 49 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   53 - 69

Cost:
   £0,061 million / $0,245 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 22 tons, 4,2 %
      - Guns: 22 tons, 4,2 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 0,9 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0,9 %
   Machinery: 281 tons, 55,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 131 tons, 25,7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 50 tons, 9,9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 22 tons, 4,3 %
      - On freeboard deck: 12 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     122 lbs / 55 Kg = 4,0 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,15
   Metacentric height 0,7 ft / 0,2 m
   Roll period: 11,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,44
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,400 / 0,406
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15,15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 66 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   19,00 %,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  11,15 ft / 3,40 m
      - Forward deck:   25,00 %,  11,15 ft / 3,40 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Aft deck:   31,00 %,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m,  8,53 ft / 2,60 m
      - Quarter deck:   25,00 %,  8,53 ft / 2,60 m,  8,53 ft / 2,60 m
      - Average freeboard:      9,87 ft / 3,01 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 189,5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114,0 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 247 Square feet or 302 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 30 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 23 lbs/sq ft or 110 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 2,04
      - Overall: 0,57
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

10t for short wireless
4 tons for 4 torpedoes
8 mines
Trial speed: 30kts
Bonus: 2.95
Title: Re: France 1904-1905 projects
Post by: Jefgte on November 29, 2016, 05:09:07 PM
Testing a 500t class - 27kts

TB124 to TB131, France TB7 - Mediterranée class laid down 1905

Displacement:
   500 t light; 521 t standard; 577 t normal; 622 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (255,91 ft / 255,91 ft) x 25,59 ft x (7,71 / 8,10 ft)
   (78,00 m / 78,00 m) x 7,80 m  x (2,35 / 2,47 m)

Armament:
      3 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,78lbs / 13,96kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 0,31" / 8,0 mm 76,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 92 lbs / 42 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10 000 shp / 7 460 Kw = 27,07 kts
   Range 2 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 101 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   58 - 76

Cost:
   £0,066 million / $0,265 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 17 tons, 2,9 %
      - Guns: 17 tons, 2,9 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0,5 %
      - Armament: 3 tons, 0,5 %
   Machinery: 317 tons, 54,9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 146 tons, 25,3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 77 tons, 13,4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 18 tons, 3,1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 8 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     154 lbs / 70 Kg = 5,1 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,31
   Metacentric height 1,0 ft / 0,3 m
   Roll period: 10,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,23
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,02

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,400 / 0,410
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16,00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   19,00 %,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  11,15 ft / 3,40 m
      - Forward deck:   25,00 %,  11,15 ft / 3,40 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Aft deck:   31,00 %,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m,  8,53 ft / 2,60 m
      - Quarter deck:   25,00 %,  8,53 ft / 2,60 m,  8,53 ft / 2,60 m
      - Average freeboard:      9,87 ft / 3,01 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 185,3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 129,4 %
   Waterplane Area: 4 031 Square feet or 375 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 34 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 22 lbs/sq ft or 108 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 1,28
      - Overall: 0,54
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

10t for short wireless
4 tons for 4 torpedoes + 4 tons for 4 reloads

Trial speed: 29.5kts
Bonus: 2.43