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Title: Naval Weaponry
Post by: Kaiser Kirk on July 13, 2014, 07:40:35 PM
Naval Armaments of the Italian Navy.

For much of the history of the Navy, Armstrong has produced naval rifles in it's factory in Pozzuoli, Italia, these are noted by retaining the English inch designation. Contracts continue to be given to this legendary firm, particularly for larger guns but Ansaldo has commenced construction of it's own class of naval weapons.

Arms philosophy :
While Armstrong guns rely on bag and separate ammunition, Ansaldo produces weapons on the German model. There is a trend towards separately cased ammunition, as it is believed less dangerous in a fire.

Muzzle velocity :
Higher muzzle velocities are generally desirable, as it leads to a flatter arc at combat ranges, thus a greater "danger space". The projectile time of flight also diminishes leading to less target drift. Overall, this delivers more kinetic energy against vertical armor, but has the drawback of poor deck penetration. While this leads to fewer deck hits and  diminished penetration at range, ranges are still expected to be 2000-10,000 yards. This also means   Muzzle velocities in excess of at least 800m/s show drastically increased barrel wear, and projectile instability, rendering them undesirable. Instability does appear to show when combining high muzzle velocity with lower shell weights than "normal", which is believed to be some poorly understood property of shell form or sectional density. 

Handloading vs. Power assist.
Handloading (mounts) is considered effective up to projectile weights in the 75-85kg range. Power assist (mount & hoist) can improve this.
Powered rams and loading equipment (turrets) is considered essential for shell weights in excess of 90kg. Though as shell weights approach this the ability to sustain high firing rates will suffer.

Mountings

Turrets with strong barbette mountings are used to support large caliber guns and transfer their weight to the keel of the vessel.
At some point, mounting weight becomes high enough to render barbette mountings advisable, but experience has not yet delineated that point .

Mount and turret elevation is typically set at 30 degrees, to allow coastal bombardments in support of maritime landings (historically St. Bon was 35, Regina Margehrita 25).
Casements, with an elevation range of ~30 degrees, typically -5 to +25 are considered an effective mounting. Light interior armor is typically used to shield the casement from shell bursts behind the upper belt.  Fed by conveyor belts, ammunition protocols call for a limited number of rounds to be exposed at once.  Doublestacked casements are popular as they allow more weapons amidship with fewer openings for the conveyor hoists.

Dates listed indicate the "date of design" or when vessels designed to carry these weapons were laid down. If not historically used by the Italian navy, then the country of origin from navweaps or ahistorical is listed.

Weapons of the Italian fleet
A = Ansaldo, E= Armstrong of Elswick design produced at Pozzuoli, Italy

As of 1900, the following guns are in inventory:
All guns are historical, where shell weight not available, SS3 defaults used.


Bore (mm)CaliberTypeShell Weight (KG)Muzzle VelocityHistorical YearHistorical Origin Notes
17"27BL9085351876Italy-E Italia Class
          1) twin cole turret1876
          2) twin turret1895
13.5"30BL6006401884Italy-E
          1) twin turret1884
          2) twin turret1894
12"40BL4177801898Italy-E
          1) twin turret1898
10"40BL2277001894Italy-E
          1) twin turret1894
10"32BL197.4 1882 Italy-E
          1) single turret1882
          2) casement 1882
24040BL2297051897Austria Built by Ansaldo
          1) twin turret1897
8"40BL1167901894 Italy-E
          1) twin turret1894
19445BL758001887France Built by Ansaldo
          1) casement 1887
          2) single mount      1894
18045BL808751901    Built by Ansaldo
          1) single mount  1901
          2) single mount & hoist 1901
          3) casement 1901
          4) twin turret 1901
6"45QF41.57921892Russia Built by Ansaldo
          1) single mount  1893
          2) casement 1893
6"40QF45.36841888Italy-E
          1) single mount  1887
          2) casement 1887
6"32BL40.4 1876Italy-E
          1) single mount  1876
          2) casement 1876
15045QF558901904    Built by Ansaldo
          1) single mount  1904
          2) single mount & hoist 1904
          3) casement 1904
          4) twin turret 1904
14927BL38.21 1879Italy Howitzer
          1) single mount  1879
12045QF27.58901904    Built by Ansaldo
          1) single mount  1904
          2) single mount & hoist 1904
          2) Twin mount & hoist 1904
          3) casement 1904
          4) twin turret 1901
4.7" 45QF20.47823 1892Russia Built by Ansaldo
          1) single mount  1892
          2) casement 1892
4.7" 40QF20.46601889Italy-E
          1) single mount  1889
          2) casement 1889
4.7" 32 BL 19.42 1876 Italy-E
          1) single mount  1876
          2) casement 1876
9045QF118501901 
          1) single mount  1901
          2) single mount & hoist 1901
          3) casement 1901
          4) twin mount & hoist 1901
3"40QF6.56801893 Italy-E
          1) single mount  18939
          2) casement 1893
7521QF5.25   1890Italy-A Howitzer
          1) single mount  1890
          2) casement 1890
65115QF4.55 1894Italy-A [Thought Historic, actually typo, was 6.5mm
          1) single mount  1894
5743QF2.736831884FranceBuilt by Ansaldo, Hotchkiss/1
          1) single mount  1884
4740QF1.55711884Italy-A Historically fielded, no data
          1) single mount  1884
4545QF1.49001904    Built by Ansaldo
          1) single mount  1904
          2) single mount & hoist 1904
          4) twin mount & hoist 1904
3730MG0.455001888German Built by Ansaldo, Maxim-Nordenfeldt
          1) single mount  1888
3720QF0.514421882France 1884Hotchkiss 1/5 barrels
          1) 5 barrel mount  1882
2541QF0.02 1882Italy-A Historically fielded, no data
          1) single mount  1882
11.494MG0.003 1881USA Basically a Gardner gun/2
          1) two barrel mount  1881
7.570 MG0.003 1883Austria ColtM95, fires Swiss 7.5 GP90
          1) single mount  1883


Title: Re: Naval Weaponry
Post by: Kaiser Kirk on August 01, 2014, 01:39:35 AM
The following table indicates the estimated penetration values the Italian Admiralty expects.

These may very well not match results in the field, indeed they represent a full power, unworn gun, perfectly functioning shell, and a dead on shot under optimum conditions. In reality, ships are rarely perpendicular, and tend to be at some aspect of a slow roll, so these figures are understood to be the maximum values for that range.

For pre 1900 weapons, penetration is from BigGun for 0.55 form shells against 0.9 condition armor.
For post 1900-1904 weapons, penetration is from Logi's Ballistic's tool, set to Belt 412, Deck 174
These numbers were chosen as they gave penetration values @6300m (belt) and @12800m (deck) close to old saved BigGun files.
The fact these may not line up with what the Mods have, is perfectly fine.
Against Terni Cemented, with a proper AP shell that doesn't shatter on the face, all values are assumed to be 10% less.



















Bore (mm)CaliberYearShell Weight (KG)Muzzle Velocity  5000m    7500m    10000 m  Max Range (m)
17"271876   908535309 / 28252 / 47206 / 64 15200m @45
13.5"301884   600640382 / 22318 / 38262 / 53 17900m @30
12"401898   417780417 / 15338 / 27275 / 41 21000m @30
10"401894   227700259 / 14198 / 26151 / 37 16300m @30
240401897   229705296 / 15232 / 27183 / 3917600m @30
8"401894   116790213 / 10 151 / 19 109 / 29 15900m @30
194451887    75800126 / 0.980 / 1750 / 2612700m @30
180451901    80875270 / 3198 / 9147 / 1825790m @30
6"451892    41.579298 / 0.858 / 1531 / 2811700m @30
150mm451904    55890266 / 4195 / 9143/ 18255460m @30
120mm451904    27.5890174 / 3117 / 879 / 17 11700m @30
4.7" 451892    20.47823 60 / 7 33  /12 12 / 2821722m @30
90451901     11850 81 / 3 47 / 8   27/17    16,379m @30
3"401893      6.5680 45 / 0.5 0.8 / 17 7200@25   7400m @30