Legionnaire, Corporate Sector Broadside Battleship laid down 1900
Armoured Frigate (Broadside ironclad)
Displacement:
11,662 t light; 12,904 t standard; 15,000 t normal; 16,677 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(400.00 ft / 400.00 ft) x 73.00 ft x (21.50 / 23.63 ft)
(121.92 m / 121.92 m) x 22.25 m x (6.55 / 7.20 m)
Armament:
12 - 12.00" / 305 mm 30.0 cal guns - 796.37lbs / 361.23kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in broadside mounts, 1900 Model
10 x Single mounts on sides amidships
12 hull mounts on upper deck- Limited use in heavy seas
2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
2 - 12.00" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 871.37lbs / 395.24kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 11,299 lbs / 5,125 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 300.00 ft / 91.44 m 10.25 ft / 3.12 m
Ends: 8.00" / 203 mm 99.98 ft / 30.47 m 10.25 ft / 3.12 m
Upper: 14.0" / 356 mm 300.00 ft / 91.44 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 115 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm - -
2nd: 8.00" / 203 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck: 1.00" / 25 mm For and Aft decks
Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9,550 shp / 7,125 Kw = 15.00 kts
Range 2,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,773 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
677 - 881
Cost:
£1.121 million / $4.484 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 899 tons, 6.0 %
Armour: 4,749 tons, 31.7 %
- Belts: 3,777 tons, 25.2 %
- Armament: 328 tons, 2.2 %
- Armour Deck: 513 tons, 3.4 %
- Conning Tower: 131 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 2,388 tons, 15.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,627 tons, 24.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,338 tons, 22.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
19,230 lbs / 8,723 Kg = 22.3 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.68
Metacentric height 7.4 ft / 2.2 m
Roll period: 11.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.43
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.40
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, low quarterdeck ,
a ram bow and large transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.836 / 0.846
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.48 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.23 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 5.00 %, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m, 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Aft deck: 45.00 %, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Quarter deck: 20.00 %, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
- Average freeboard: 17.14 ft / 5.22 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 154.9 %
Waterplane Area: 27,521 Square feet or 2,557 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 121 lbs/sq ft or 591 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.00
- Longitudinal: 1.47
- Overall: 1.04
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
This design definitely could use work. I feel like I'm missing stuff, and I havent even checked in L:B ratio or anything like that just yet.
Dudenberg is back
:D :D :D
I like but... you have not light guns vs TBs.
You could instal them on the roof of the 12" battery in light protected mount (0.4")
Jef
Quotea ram bow and large transom stern
Don't think they are allowed according to the rules. Not sure if the mods would allow if for visual purposes when utilizing a higher overall strength...
I agree with Jef regarding the Anti TB armament.
... and I also think the rules require you to use Triple Expansion Engines and not Turbines...
fixed the engine type and transom stern (now has a cruiser stern), added an extra 1500 tons, added 6 4.7in single deck mounts (3 on each side) at "deck level" so I think its above the broadside main battery? The ship will survive over 30 12'' shells (non-critical-hits), which I think is decent. Especially since the whole point of this ship is to be able to shrug off damage until it gets close enough to attack in turn.
I would like people's opinions on the 12''/30 caliber broadside guns versus the 12''/45 caliber chase armament. I kind of figured that a shorter caliber gun barrel has a shorter range. I debated increasing the weight of the projectile but I truly have no idea if that would help or not. I know that the USN used "super-heavy" shells for its 16'' guns.
QuoteLegionnaire, Corporate Sector Broadside Battleship laid down 1900
Armoured Frigate (Broadside ironclad)
Displacement:
14,058 t light; 15,373 t standard; 16,500 t normal; 17,402 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(400.00 ft / 400.00 ft) x 73.00 ft x (21.50 / 22.60 ft)
(121.92 m / 121.92 m) x 22.25 m x (6.55 / 6.89 m)
Armament:
12 - 12.00" / 305 mm 30.0 cal guns - 796.37lbs / 361.23kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in broadside mounts, 1900 Model
10 x Single mounts on sides amidships
12 hull mounts on upper deck- Limited use in heavy seas
2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
2 - 12.00" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 871.37lbs / 395.24kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
6 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 52.35lbs / 23.75kg shells, 250 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 11,613 lbs / 5,268 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 300.00 ft / 91.44 m 10.25 ft / 3.12 m
Ends: 8.00" / 203 mm 99.98 ft / 30.47 m 10.25 ft / 3.12 m
Upper: 14.0" / 356 mm 300.00 ft / 91.44 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 115 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm - -
2nd: 8.00" / 203 mm - -
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck: 8.00" / 203 mm For and Aft decks
Forecastle: 3.00" / 76 mm Quarter deck: 3.00" / 76 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 14.00" / 356 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8,461 ihp / 6,312 Kw = 15.00 kts
Range 2,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,029 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
727 - 946
Cost:
£1.071 million / $4.283 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 947 tons, 5.7 %
Armour: 8,155 tons, 49.4 %
- Belts: 3,806 tons, 23.1 %
- Armament: 335 tons, 2.0 %
- Armour Deck: 3,818 tons, 23.1 %
- Conning Tower: 195 tons, 1.2 %
Machinery: 1,322 tons, 8.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,633 tons, 22.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,442 tons, 14.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
29,895 lbs / 13,560 Kg = 34.6 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 3.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.55
Metacentric height 6.6 ft / 2.0 m
Roll period: 12.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.39
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.38
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, low quarterdeck ,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.920 / 0.923
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.48 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 20.00 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 5.00 %, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m, 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Aft deck: 45.00 %, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Quarter deck: 20.00 %, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
- Average freeboard: 17.14 ft / 5.22 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 53.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 150.1 %
Waterplane Area: 28,649 Square feet or 2,662 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 117 lbs/sq ft or 569 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.02
- Longitudinal: 1.36
- Overall: 1.04
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Turbines and transoms are no-nos. I like the idea; will play with the design tonight.
Fiddled around a little more. Its BC is kosher (0.57), its L:B ratio should be kosher (5.0). There were one or two other things I checked out. I added about 50 feet to the length, and added to draught and beam as well. The only way to put in chase weapons was to make them casemated. And apparently there was only enough room in my citadel for 12'' guns in each broadside, the other two seem to be outside it. Any way to fix that?
QuoteLegionnaire, Corporate Sector Broadside Battleship laid down 1900
Armoured Frigate (Broadside ironclad)
Displacement:
14,173 t light; 15,488 t standard; 16,500 t normal; 17,309 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(450.00 ft / 450.00 ft) x 90.00 ft x (25.00 / 25.98 ft)
(137.16 m / 137.16 m) x 27.43 m x (7.62 / 7.92 m)
Armament:
12 - 12.00" / 305 mm 30.0 cal guns - 796.37lbs / 361.23kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in broadside mounts, 1900 Model
10 x Single mounts on sides amidships
12 hull mounts on upper deck- Limited use in heavy seas
2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
2 - 12.00" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 871.37lbs / 395.24kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
6 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 52.35lbs / 23.75kg shells, 250 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 11,613 lbs / 5,268 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 300.00 ft / 91.44 m 10.25 ft / 3.12 m
Ends: 8.00" / 203 mm 99.98 ft / 30.47 m 10.25 ft / 3.12 m
50.02 ft / 15.25 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 14.0" / 356 mm 300.00 ft / 91.44 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm - -
2nd: 8.00" / 203 mm - -
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck: 7.00" / 178 mm For and Aft decks
Forecastle: 3.00" / 76 mm Quarter deck: 3.00" / 76 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 14.00" / 356 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8,473 ihp / 6,321 Kw = 15.50 kts
Range 2,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,821 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
727 - 946
Cost:
£1.075 million / $4.300 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 947 tons, 5.7 %
Armour: 7,725 tons, 46.8 %
- Belts: 3,759 tons, 22.8 %
- Armament: 335 tons, 2.0 %
- Armour Deck: 3,435 tons, 20.8 %
- Conning Tower: 195 tons, 1.2 %
Machinery: 1,324 tons, 8.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,177 tons, 25.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,327 tons, 14.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
31,073 lbs / 14,094 Kg = 36.0 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 4.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.67
Metacentric height 10.0 ft / 3.1 m
Roll period: 11.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 65 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.19
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.30
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, low quarterdeck ,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.570 / 0.576
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.21 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 37 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 5.00 %, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m, 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Aft deck: 45.00 %, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Quarter deck: 20.00 %, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
- Average freeboard: 17.14 ft / 5.22 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 53.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 151.0 %
Waterplane Area: 28,810 Square feet or 2,677 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 129 lbs/sq ft or 628 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.49
- Overall: 1.01
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
???
...The short range of the 12"-30 cal will surely be a handicap in action...
Jef
Thats part of what I'm wondering, if having a short ranged gun is better anyways since the plan is to close with the enemy.
Quote...
is to close with the enemy.
with 15.5 kts !!!
in 1900, increase the speed to 18kts (20 is better)
Jef
IMO, a battery battleship, in our game use casemate guns
Jef
You're wastng a LOT of tonnage on deck armor that the guns of the period have no way of attacking.
If you want to extend the length for more casemates, reduce the size of your quarterdeck (SS won't install weapons on either the quarterdeck or the forecastle area).
Speed is rather low for a ship that has to close on it's enemies, this design would need at least 18 knots, 20 or more would be preferable.
Deck thickness is indeed overkill. I would not be surprised though that if you were to cut it to ~1/3 or so, you'd end up with a reasonable amount of hull strength which you could use to bump up to the speed indicated by KWorld.
Also, I think all of the broadside-mount guns, given how the hull's laid out, would have to be mounted "low", because they're all below the freeboard deck that SS has been told about. If you want the guns above the freeboard deck, you'd need to lower the freeboard deck and use "upper belt" armor to form your protected battery.
Quote from: KWorld on May 28, 2012, 09:40:02 AM
Also, I think all of the broadside-mount guns, given how the hull's laid out, would have to be mounted "low", because they're all below the freeboard deck that SS has been told about. If you want the guns above the freeboard deck, you'd need to lower the freeboard deck and use "upper belt" armor to form your protected battery.
I've always had trouble figuring that bit out. But it makes sense. I'll go back and decrease deck armor by a third, increase speed as high as i can get it, and lower my guns.
QuoteLegionnaire, Corporate Sector Broadside Battleship laid down 1900
Armoured Frigate (Broadside ironclad)
Displacement:
14,163 t light; 15,478 t standard; 16,489 t normal; 17,298 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(450.00 ft / 450.00 ft) x 90.00 ft x (25.00 / 25.98 ft)
(137.16 m / 137.16 m) x 27.43 m x (7.62 / 7.92 m)
Armament:
12 - 12.00" / 305 mm 30.0 cal guns - 796.37lbs / 361.23kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in broadside mounts, 1900 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 hull mounts on upper deck- Limited use in heavy seas
2 - 12.00" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 871.37lbs / 395.25kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
6 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 52.35lbs / 23.75kg shells, 250 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 11,613 lbs / 5,268 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.0" / 330 mm 360.00 ft / 109.73 m 11.38 ft / 3.47 m
Ends: 8.00" / 203 mm 89.98 ft / 27.43 m 11.38 ft / 3.47 m
Upper: 10.0" / 254 mm 360.00 ft / 109.73 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 123 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm - -
2nd: 8.00" / 203 mm - -
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck: 2.50" / 64 mm For and Aft decks
Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 14.00" / 356 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,151 ihp / 16,524 Kw = 20.00 kts
Range 2,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,820 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
726 - 945
Cost:
£1.374 million / $5.496 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 947 tons, 5.7 %
Armour: 5,608 tons, 34.0 %
- Belts: 3,816 tons, 23.1 %
- Armament: 335 tons, 2.0 %
- Armour Deck: 1,261 tons, 7.7 %
- Conning Tower: 195 tons, 1.2 %
Machinery: 3,461 tons, 21.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,147 tons, 25.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,326 tons, 14.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
18,720 lbs / 8,491 Kg = 21.7 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.84
Metacentric height 11.5 ft / 3.5 m
Roll period: 11.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 58 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.14
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.15
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, low quarterdeck ,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.570 / 0.575
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.21 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 5.00 %, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m, 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Aft deck: 50.00 %, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
- Average freeboard: 17.74 ft / 5.41 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 151.1 %
Waterplane Area: 28,800 Square feet or 2,676 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 127 lbs/sq ft or 620 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.56
- Overall: 1.02
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Quote from: Jefgte on May 27, 2012, 06:48:24 PM
IMO, a battery battleship, in our game use casemate guns
If you want to have a useful field of fire, yes, I agree.
Quote from: Darman on May 28, 2012, 04:04:12 PM
QuoteLegionnaire, Corporate Sector Broadside Battleship laid down 1900
Armoured Frigate (Broadside ironclad)
Displacement:
14,163 t light; 15,478 t standard; 16,489 t normal; 17,298 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(450.00 ft / 450.00 ft) x 90.00 ft x (25.00 / 25.98 ft)
(137.16 m / 137.16 m) x 27.43 m x (7.62 / 7.92 m)
Armament:
12 - 12.00" / 305 mm 30.0 cal guns - 796.37lbs / 361.23kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in broadside mounts, 1900 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 hull mounts on upper deck- Limited use in heavy seas
2 - 12.00" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 871.37lbs / 395.25kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
6 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 52.35lbs / 23.75kg shells, 250 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 11,613 lbs / 5,268 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.0" / 330 mm 360.00 ft / 109.73 m 11.38 ft / 3.47 m
Ends: 8.00" / 203 mm 89.98 ft / 27.43 m 11.38 ft / 3.47 m
Upper: 10.0" / 254 mm 360.00 ft / 109.73 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 123 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm - -
2nd: 8.00" / 203 mm - -
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck: 2.50" / 64 mm For and Aft decks
Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 14.00" / 356 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,151 ihp / 16,524 Kw = 20.00 kts
Range 2,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,820 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
726 - 945
Cost:
£1.374 million / $5.496 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 947 tons, 5.7 %
Armour: 5,608 tons, 34.0 %
- Belts: 3,816 tons, 23.1 %
- Armament: 335 tons, 2.0 %
- Armour Deck: 1,261 tons, 7.7 %
- Conning Tower: 195 tons, 1.2 %
Machinery: 3,461 tons, 21.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,147 tons, 25.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,326 tons, 14.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
18,720 lbs / 8,491 Kg = 21.7 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.84
Metacentric height 11.5 ft / 3.5 m
Roll period: 11.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 58 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.14
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.15
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, low quarterdeck ,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.570 / 0.575
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.21 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 5.00 %, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m, 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Aft deck: 50.00 %, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
- Average freeboard: 17.74 ft / 5.41 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 151.1 %
Waterplane Area: 28,800 Square feet or 2,676 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 127 lbs/sq ft or 620 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.56
- Overall: 1.02
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Hull-wise, this seems to be the same design as before, though it does have a much larger engine and hence some chance of closing on it's opponents.
Yes that was the idea. Sorry, apparently I didn't write up a description of the alterations. I'm working on improving the ship because it is going to be one of the designs that Corporate Sector designers are working towards. My second one is basically the same except with casemated main battery. I'm also planning an escort cruiser armed with anti-avian and anti-sea creature weaponry. There will be a few, mainly used by corporations who do a lot of exploring in the "wilder" parts of the oceans.
Escort Cruiser
I used an armored deck and belt, its a pre-start model. They wanted the armor because the ship is designed as an escort vessel for exploration expeditions to dangerous parts of the world. As such it possesses 4 steam launches for rescue and landing operations.
QuoteChronos, Corporate Sector Escort Cruiser laid down 1895
Displacement:
3,671 t light; 4,156 t standard; 4,800 t normal; 5,315 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(326.00 ft / 317.00 ft) x 50.00 ft x (20.00 / 21.66 ft)
(99.36 m / 96.62 m) x 15.24 m x (6.10 / 6.60 m)
Armament:
14 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 52.35lbs / 23.75kg shells, 750 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
6 x Single mounts on side ends, majority forward
8 x Single mounts on sides amidships
20 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 15,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
6 x Twin mounts on centreline aft
6 raised mounts
4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 743 lbs / 337 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 1.00" / 25 mm 209.22 ft / 63.77 m 8.49 ft / 2.59 m
Ends: 0.50" / 13 mm 107.76 ft / 32.85 m 8.49 ft / 2.59 m
Upper: 0.50" / 13 mm 209.22 ft / 63.77 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 102 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.50" / 13 mm 0.25" / 6 mm -
2nd: 0.25" / 6 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck: 0.25" / 6 mm For and Aft decks
Forecastle: 0.25" / 6 mm Quarter deck: 0.25" / 6 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 2.00" / 51 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 11,190 ihp / 8,348 Kw = 20.00 kts
Range 3,000nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,159 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
287 - 374
Cost:
£0.430 million / $1.720 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 130 tons, 2.7 %
Armour: 221 tons, 4.6 %
- Belts: 130 tons, 2.7 %
- Armament: 28 tons, 0.6 %
- Armour Deck: 51 tons, 1.1 %
- Conning Tower: 12 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 1,897 tons, 39.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,399 tons, 29.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,129 tons, 23.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 24 tons, 0.5 %
- On freeboard deck: 12 tons
- Above deck: 12 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
3,482 lbs / 1,579 Kg = 67.1 x 4.7 " / 119 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.67
Metacentric height 4.1 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 10.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.20
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, low quarterdeck ,
a ram bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.530 / 0.542
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.34 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 17.80 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -6.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 17.00 %, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Aft deck: 36.00 %, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Quarter deck: 17.00 %, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Average freeboard: 18.30 ft / 5.58 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 142.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 144.1 %
Waterplane Area: 10,856 Square feet or 1,009 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 78 lbs/sq ft or 380 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.90
- Longitudinal: 3.96
- Overall: 1.04
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
4 steam launches (3 tons each, 12 tons misc weight above-deck)
Okay so actually this ship is illegal... no cruiser or capital ship before 1910 can fire more than 6 turrets on a single broadside. ooops.... I have 7. I'd like to ask a second opinion on my interpretation of the rules and if I'm right its really no big deal I'll remove 2 guns.
I read these as being deck mounts, and therfore legal. Turreted guns and mounts with hoists are the types of mounts which that rule applies to.
Quote from: snip on May 30, 2012, 10:04:15 PM
I read these as being deck mounts, and therfore legal. Turreted guns and mounts with hoists are the types of mounts which that rule applies to.
Gotcha. I forgot there is a distinction between a "deck mount w/shields" and a "turret".
Quote from: Darman on May 30, 2012, 10:16:45 PM
Quote from: snip on May 30, 2012, 10:04:15 PM
I read these as being deck mounts, and therfore legal. Turreted guns and mounts with hoists are the types of mounts which that rule applies to.
Gotcha. I forgot there is a distinction between a "deck mount w/shields" and a "turret".
Deck mounts are kosher- virtually every cruiser from the 1880's till 1920 was laid out like yours. ;)
I like her quite a bit. She's a cheap but capable station ship.
Similar to my first light cruiser attempt, armor is even worse though. Its 20% bigger but much better armed and faster. Also more versatile.
Your light guns don't add up: 6x2+4x1 is not 20.
Aren't the steam launches at bit too small at 3 tons? Can you sim them as well?
Quote from: Nobody on May 31, 2012, 02:07:00 AM
Your light guns don't add up: 6x2+4x1 is not 20.
Good catch! thanks I meant to make that 6x2 and 4x2, apparently forgot to make it a twin.
QuoteAren't the steam launches at bit too small at 3 tons? Can you sim them as well?
I used the values given in the rules for steam launches, life boats, etc. I believe its under "Miscellaneous Weights"
The cruiser is lightly armored because its not intended for a combat role per se. It was designed to fight off the local oceanic and avian fauna. Thus being on the receiving end of enemy salvos was never part of its job description
Here is a common search and rescue vessel, carries 4 steam launches and 4 large lifeboats (in case she herself suffers an accident with passengers onboard).
QuoteMedicae, Corporate Sector SAR Cruiser laid down 1895
Displacement:
664 t light; 691 t standard; 743 t normal; 784 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(125.00 ft / 125.00 ft) x 20.00 ft x (16.00 / 16.75 ft)
(38.10 m / 38.10 m) x 6.10 m x (4.88 / 5.11 m)
Armament:
1 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal gun - 52.35lbs / 23.75kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1895 Model
1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward
1 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal gun - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1895 Model
1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
8 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 3,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
2 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck aft
2 x Twin mounts on sides, aft deck forward
Weight of broadside 70 lbs / 32 kg
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
2nd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
3rd: 0.25" / 6 mm - -
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 1,775 ihp / 1,324 Kw = 15.00 kts
Range 2,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 93 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
70 - 92
Cost:
£0.064 million / $0.258 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 13 tons, 1.7 %
Armour: 3 tons, 0.5 %
- Armament: 3 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 269 tons, 36.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 170 tons, 22.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 79 tons, 10.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 210 tons, 28.3 %
- Hull below water: 40 tons
- Hull above water: 150 tons
- Above deck: 20 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
234 lbs / 106 Kg = 4.5 x 4.7 " / 119 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 0.95
Metacentric height 0.4 ft / 0.1 m
Roll period: 13.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.34
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, low quarterdeck ,
a normal bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.650 / 0.655
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.25 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 11.18 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 67 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 10.00 ft / 3.05 m, 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
- Aft deck: 30.00 %, 10.00 ft / 3.05 m, 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
- Quarter deck: 20.00 %, 7.00 ft / 2.13 m, 7.00 ft / 2.13 m
- Average freeboard: 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 150.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 52.1 %
Waterplane Area: 1,915 Square feet or 178 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 88 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 40 lbs/sq ft or 195 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 9.70
- Overall: 1.18
Caution: Poor stability - excessive risk of capsizing
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
10 medical personnel (40 tons below decks)
Medical facilities for up to 25 patients (6 tons per patient instead of 4 for a total of 150 tons above waterline)
4 steam launches and 4 large lifeboats (above decks weight = 20 tons)
*resds this at work and mistakenly thinks you named the ship the S.S. MEDICAID*
Quote from: Carthaginian on June 01, 2012, 08:42:06 PM
*resds this at work and mistakenly thinks you named the ship the S.S. MEDICAID*
HA! noo the
SS Medicae. It sounded nice for a medical cruiser of sorts.
This is my (almost) exact copy of the
Lusitania. I need troop transport capabilities as well as the ability to transport immigrants to all my new colonies.
QuoteMuse, Corporate Sector Ocean Liner laid down 1900
Displacement:
31,915 t light; 32,649 t standard; 36,582 t normal; 39,728 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(787.00 ft / 787.00 ft) x 87.00 ft x (34.00 / 36.30 ft)
(239.88 m / 239.88 m) x 26.52 m x (10.36 / 11.07 m)
Armament:
10 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1,000 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 5 lbs / 2 kg
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.25" / 6 mm - -
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 30,433 shp / 22,703 Kw = 20.00 kts
Range 2,000nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 7,079 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
1,322 - 1,719
Cost:
£2.183 million / $8.731 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 8 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 8 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 7,608 tons, 20.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,310 tons, 25.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,667 tons, 12.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 14,988 tons, 41.0 %
- Hull below water: 5,930 tons
- Hull above water: 3,450 tons
- On freeboard deck: 5,520 tons
- Above deck: 88 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
40,010 lbs / 18,148 Kg = 80,019.3 x 1.0 " / 25 mm shells or 2.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.18
Metacentric height 5.5 ft / 1.7 m
Roll period: 15.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 86 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.71
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, low quarterdeck ,
a normal bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.559
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.05 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 28.05 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 29 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 25.00 ft / 7.62 m, 25.00 ft / 7.62 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 25.00 ft / 7.62 m, 25.00 ft / 7.62 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Average freeboard: 23.25 ft / 7.09 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 95.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 172.1 %
Waterplane Area: 47,784 Square feet or 4,439 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 121 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 124 lbs/sq ft or 608 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.03
- Longitudinal: 1.14
- Overall: 1.04
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Passengers:
552 first class (5,520 tons on deck)
460 second class (3,450 tons in hull above waterline)
1,186 third class (5,930 tons in hull below waterline)
Lifeboats:
44 large lifeboats (88 tons above deck)
Don't know if you've seen it or not, but Carth and I did a bit of work a while back on liners in the Columbiad Republic thread. I expect some of the same comments from there would apply here.
I will check it out.
Here is the oldest SAR patrol craft in the Corporate Sector Fleet:
QuoteA-Class, Corporate Sector SAR patrol craft laid down 1895
Displacement:
228 t light; 234 t standard; 250 t normal; 263 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(115.00 ft / 115.00 ft) x 19.00 ft x (8.00 / 8.30 ft)
(35.05 m / 35.05 m) x 5.79 m x (2.44 / 2.53 m)
Armament:
1 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 45.0 cal gun - 1.97lbs / 0.89kg shells, 500 per gun
Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1895 Model
1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward
2 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
Weight of broadside 2 lbs / 1 kg
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3,040 ihp / 2,268 Kw = 20.00 kts
Range 500nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 28 tons (100% coal)
Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery
Complement:
30 - 40
Cost:
£0.029 million / $0.115 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 tons, 0.3 %
Armour: 1 tons, 0.5 %
- Armament: 1 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 147 tons, 59.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 76 tons, 30.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 22 tons, 8.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 3 tons, 1.2 %
- On freeboard deck: 3 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
97 lbs / 44 Kg = 49.8 x 1.6 " / 40 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.66
Metacentric height 1.0 ft / 0.3 m
Roll period: 8.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 25 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.01
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.26
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.501 / 0.507
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.05 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 10.72 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 77 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 7.50 ft / 2.29 m, 7.00 ft / 2.13 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 7.50 ft / 2.29 m, 7.50 ft / 2.29 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 7.00 ft / 2.13 m, 7.00 ft / 2.13 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 7.00 ft / 2.13 m, 7.00 ft / 2.13 m
- Average freeboard: 7.19 ft / 2.19 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 191.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 66.9 %
Waterplane Area: 1,457 Square feet or 135 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 24 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 29 lbs/sq ft or 140 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.85
- Longitudinal: 4.84
- Overall: 1.01
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Ship has quick, lively roll, not a steady gun platform
Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability
Steam Launch for rescue operations
Revised SAR Patrol Craft (with 0.50 composite strength as allowed for in the rules)
QuoteA-Class, Corporate Sector SAR patrol craft laid down 1895
Displacement:
215 t light; 221 t standard; 250 t normal; 274 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(110.00 ft / 110.00 ft) x 19.00 ft x (12.00 / 12.66 ft)
(33.53 m / 33.53 m) x 5.79 m x (3.66 / 3.86 m)
Armament:
1 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 45.0 cal gun - 1.97lbs / 0.89kg shells, 500 per gun
Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1895 Model
1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward
2 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
Weight of broadside 2 lbs / 1 kg
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3,544 ihp / 2,644 Kw = 21.00 kts
Range 500nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 53 tons (100% coal)
Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery
Complement:
30 - 40
Cost:
£0.029 million / $0.115 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 tons, 0.3 %
Armour: 1 tons, 0.5 %
- Armament: 1 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 150 tons, 60.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 60 tons, 23.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 35 tons, 14.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 3 tons, 1.2 %
- On freeboard deck: 3 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
64 lbs / 29 Kg = 32.5 x 1.6 " / 40 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.67
Metacentric height 1.0 ft / 0.3 m
Roll period: 8.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 45 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.01
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.80
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.349 / 0.362
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.79 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 10.49 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 75 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 9.00 ft / 2.74 m, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 10.00 ft / 3.05 m, 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 7.50 ft / 2.29 m, 7.50 ft / 2.29 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 7.50 ft / 2.29 m, 7.50 ft / 2.29 m
- Average freeboard: 8.43 ft / 2.57 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 194.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 68.5 %
Waterplane Area: 1,247 Square feet or 116 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 21 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 20 lbs/sq ft or 98 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 8.57
- Overall: 0.67
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather
Steam Launch for rescue operations
Subject to revision. And this goes by my current understanding of the rules, that we go by quarters with 32 factories each producing 32,000 tons per quarter.
1895Q1 (32,000t available)
Legionnaire Broadside Battleship (16,500t)
Chronos Escort Cruiser (4,800t)
Prometheus (Chronos-class) Escort Cruiser (4,800t)
Medicae Search & Rescue Cruiser (750t)
Adhesive (Medicae-class) SAR Cruiser (750t)
Dressing (Medicae-class) SAR Cruiser (750t)
A-1 Search & Rescue Patrol Craft (250t)
A-2 SAR Patrol Craft (250t)
A-3 SAR Patrol Craft (250t)
A-4 SAR Patrol Craft (250t)
A-5 SAR Patrol Craft (250t)
A-6 SAR Patrol Craft (250t)
A-7 SAR Patrol Craft (250t)
A-8 SAR Patrol Craft (250t)
A-9 SAR Patrol Craft (250t)
A-10 SAR Patrol Craft (250t)
Production remaining: 1,650t
If you were to approach it like that, you'd be spending 1,920,000 tons on ships during Turn 0 while we only can spend 500,000 tons on the fleet...
i thought we were supposed to have that much to spend? We had to spend on army and coast defense as well as ports. I was also looking for the numbers as to how long ships take to be built/fitted out/sea trials and I couldn't find the page.
QuoteI thought we were supposed to have that much to spend? We had to spend on army and coast defense as well as ports. I was also looking for the numbers as to how long ships take to be built/fitted out/sea trials and I couldn't find the page.
Look at "Rules"
Snip post April 08, 2012, 03:30:13 PM
rules .pdf
Quote from: Darman on June 15, 2012, 06:19:26 AM
i thought we were supposed to have that much to spend? We had to spend on army and coast defense as well as ports. I was also looking for the numbers as to how long ships take to be built/fitted out/sea trials and I couldn't find the page.
Yes, we have 1,920 PPs to spend, but only 500 PP can be spend on your navy. As for the remaining 1420 PP... I have no idea. The maximum you can spend on a single port is 25 PP (not allowed to have a port with the capability to build +25,000 ton ships so 25 is the max you can spend on it). If you go for a 100% armored force army, you'll be spending 40 PP and IIRC the air force max is 42 leaving you with over 1000 PP to spend on something we don't know yet...
Walter's correct: we have 500,000 tons to spend on the navy, according to the rules we can have 8 army units at game start, and we can spend some currently unclearly defined amount on our ports. Other than that, I'm assuming that the spending "lost" was spent on building up industry and non-directly-military parts of the economy (railroads, telegraph/telephone lines, wireless antennae, etc).
Oh, and the rules are off a bit: there aren't any armored units yet, only infantry and artillery (cost the later as mech infantry). Also, no air forces at all at game start.
Quoteand we can spend some currently unclearly defined amount on our ports
Actually, the rules are fairly clear on that. They say that we can't have ports that can construct ships bigger than 25,000 tons, and the formulas in the rules indicate that the maximum points we can spend on a port is 25 PP and with 7 ports the maximum that can be spend on naval infrastructure is 175 PP.
QuoteOh, and the rules are off a bit: there aren't any armored units yet, only infantry and artillery (cost the later as mech infantry). Also, no air forces at all at game start.
In what way are they off?
The rules are off in the ways I mentioned in my previous post: there are no armored or mech infantry units or air force units of any sort available at game start, only artillery or infantry units are available at this time.
Quote from: Walter on June 15, 2012, 07:07:01 AM
Yes, we have 1,920 PPs to spend, but only 500 PP can be spend on your navy. As for the remaining 1420 PP... I have no idea. The maximum you can spend on a single port is 25 PP (not allowed to have a port with the capability to build +25,000 ton ships so 25 is the max you can spend on it).
I was only planning to spend the 500PP limit on my navy (and some ships can be laid down and built but scrapped if I want to establish a building pattern). I just was choosing to display it in this manner to make it easier for myself to organize. I figure that I can kind of just lump together my 7 ports and the PP expended on them altogether at the very beginning and not even have to list them.
Quotethere are no armored or mech infantry units or air force units of any sort available at game start, only artillery or infantry units are available at this time.
When I read the rules, those
are available at this time.
Infantry unit is 2 PP, Mechanized unit is 3 PP, Armored unit is 5 PP. The only limit given for the army is a maximum of 8 units.
Fighter unit is 9 PP, Bomber unit is 15 PP, Recon or other is 6 PP. The limits given for the air force are a maximum of 6 units, no bomber units at the start and a maximum of 1/3 of the units can be fighter units.
QuoteI was only planning to spend the 500PP limit on my navy (and some ships can be laid down and built but scrapped if I want to establish a building pattern).
Considering that you started with the line "1895Q1 (32,000t available)" kind of suggested to me that you were going to plan this for all quarters during those 15 years of Turn 0. Maybe it is better for a pattern to look at about 33,333 tons a year (500,000/15) because in 'reality', part of the 32 PP per quarter you get will also be spend on maintenance of ships that existed before 1895 and which by 1910 no longer exist as well as other things.
Quote from: Walter on June 16, 2012, 09:06:12 AM
QuoteI was only planning to spend the 500PP limit on my navy (and some ships can be laid down and built but scrapped if I want to establish a building pattern).
Considering that you started with the line "1895Q1 (32,000t available)" kind of suggested to me that you were going to plan this for all quarters during those 15 years of Turn 0. Maybe it is better for a pattern to look at about 33,333 tons a year (500,000/15) because in 'reality', part of the 32 PP per quarter you get will also be spend on maintenance of ships that existed before 1895 and which by 1910 no longer exist as well as other things.
Yep, I was planning on going quarter by quarter, simply because it seemed to me to be the easiest way.
Quote from: Darman on June 01, 2012, 09:24:12 PM
This is my (almost) exact copy of the Lusitania. I need troop transport capabilities as well as the ability to transport immigrants to all my new colonies.
Another thing to note: at this point, our ports cannot build ships larger than 25,000 tons normal, so
Lusitania,
Titanic, or
Imperator-sized ships are not allowed.
Here's a cut at a casemate ironclad of the sort you've suggested the Corporate Sector might field.
Test, Unknown Casemate Battleship laid down 1895
Displacement:
12,527 t light; 13,206 t standard; 13,956 t normal; 14,555 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(406.82 ft / 393.70 ft) x 78.74 ft x (27.89 / 28.84 ft)
(124.00 m / 120.00 m) x 24.00 m x (8.50 / 8.79 m)
Armament:
12 - 12.01" / 305 mm 25.0 cal guns - 786.31lbs / 356.67kg shells, 60 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
2 - 12.01" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 829.70lbs / 376.34kg shells, 60 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
20 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 12.34lbs / 5.60kg shells, 200 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
10 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1,000 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
10 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
10 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 11,347 lbs / 5,147 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8.98" / 228 mm 275.59 ft / 84.00 m 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
Ends: 5.51" / 140 mm 118.08 ft / 35.99 m 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
Upper: 8.98" / 228 mm 275.59 ft / 84.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 9.45" / 240 mm - 6.30" / 160 mm
2nd: 9.45" / 240 mm - 7.09" / 180 mm
3rd: 2.95" / 75 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 0.98" / 25 mm
Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 20,779 ihp / 15,501 Kw = 20.00 kts
Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,349 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
641 - 834
Cost:
£1.256 million / $5.026 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 841 tons, 6.0 %
- Guns: 841 tons, 6.0 %
Armour: 4,553 tons, 32.6 %
- Belts: 3,516 tons, 25.2 %
- Armament: 509 tons, 3.6 %
- Armour Deck: 403 tons, 2.9 %
- Conning Tower: 125 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 3,522 tons, 25.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,598 tons, 25.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,429 tons, 10.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 13 tons, 0.1 %
- Hull below water: 13 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
16,093 lbs / 7,300 Kg = 18.6 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.69
Metacentric height 8.3 ft / 2.5 m
Roll period: 11.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 88 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.35
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.75
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.565 / 0.570
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 15.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 21.13 ft / 6.44 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 21.13 ft / 6.44 m, 21.13 ft / 6.44 m
- Aft deck: 40.00 %, 21.13 ft / 6.44 m, 21.13 ft / 6.44 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 21.13 ft / 6.44 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Average freeboard: 20.05 ft / 6.11 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 135.9 %
Waterplane Area: 21,941 Square feet or 2,038 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 123 lbs/sq ft or 600 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.87
- Longitudinal: 3.28
- Overall: 1.00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Miscellaneous weight accounts for 6 (1 forward, 1 aft, 4 broadside) submerged 450mm/5m torpedo tubes and 12 reload torpedoes.
The armor scheme is laid out to provide 2m of main belt coverage below the water line, 4m above waterline, with the upper belt protecting the casemates of the 12" guns.
Switching the guns to 10" vs 12" will help the rate of fire issues that would arise from a casemate mounting (the 10" shells would be easier to handle). Making this switch allows the draft to be reduced to 8m.
Test, Unknown Casemate Battleship laid down 1895
Displacement:
11,900 t light; 12,411 t standard; 13,135 t normal; 13,713 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(406.82 ft / 393.70 ft) x 78.74 ft x (26.25 / 27.17 ft)
(124.00 m / 120.00 m) x 24.00 m x (8.00 / 8.28 m)
Armament:
12 - 10.00" / 254 mm 30.0 cal guns - 460.86lbs / 209.04kg shells, 60 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
2 - 10.00" / 254 mm 45.0 cal guns - 504.26lbs / 228.73kg shells, 60 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
20 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 12.34lbs / 5.60kg shells, 200 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
10 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1,000 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
10 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
10 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 6,791 lbs / 3,080 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8.98" / 228 mm 275.59 ft / 84.00 m 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
Ends: 5.51" / 140 mm 118.08 ft / 35.99 m 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
Upper: 8.98" / 228 mm 275.59 ft / 84.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 9.45" / 240 mm - 6.30" / 160 mm
2nd: 9.45" / 240 mm - 7.09" / 180 mm
3rd: 2.95" / 75 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 0.98" / 25 mm
Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 20,043 ihp / 14,952 Kw = 20.00 kts
Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,302 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
613 - 797
Cost:
£1.123 million / $4.492 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 713 tons, 5.4 %
- Guns: 713 tons, 5.4 %
Armour: 4,505 tons, 34.3 %
- Belts: 3,516 tons, 26.8 %
- Armament: 466 tons, 3.5 %
- Armour Deck: 403 tons, 3.1 %
- Conning Tower: 120 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 3,397 tons, 25.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,272 tons, 24.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,234 tons, 9.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 13 tons, 0.1 %
- Hull below water: 13 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
16,748 lbs / 7,597 Kg = 33.5 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 1.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.68
Metacentric height 8.2 ft / 2.5 m
Roll period: 11.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 88 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.22
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.77
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.565 / 0.570
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 15.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 21.13 ft / 6.44 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 21.13 ft / 6.44 m, 21.13 ft / 6.44 m
- Aft deck: 40.00 %, 21.13 ft / 6.44 m, 21.13 ft / 6.44 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 21.13 ft / 6.44 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Average freeboard: 20.05 ft / 6.11 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 144.0 %
Waterplane Area: 21,941 Square feet or 2,038 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 114 lbs/sq ft or 557 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.89
- Longitudinal: 2.94
- Overall: 1.00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Miscellaneous weight accounts for 6 (1 forward, 1 aft, 4 broadside) submerged 450mm/5m torpedo tubes and 12 reload torpedoes.
The armor scheme is laid out to provide 2m of main belt coverage below the water line, 4m above waterline, with the upper belt protecting the casemates of the 10" guns.