I know what the status of Europe is. Could people kindly point me to maps of Asia and North America? Then I can merge them all together and put the non player nations down?
Michael
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c386/valles_uf/asia-valles-v12.png
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3431/worldmapt.png
Work in progress obviously. I will convert the other NPC nations to the uniform blue - gray I am using for named NPC. Also will do a color to present city state provinces.
Michael
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/navalism/images/a/a3/Namerica-guinness-v1.png
mike, which map of Europe did you use? At least concerning my (German) borders you should take a look here (http://www.navalism.org/index.php/topic,5550.msg71416.html#msg71416) (or that, so far unanswered, PM I sent you some time ago).
Current Version
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/474/worldmapc.png
Per requests I filled in more of South America with states vs. white space.
Michael
Very nice. If you need any help with the remaining portions I would be more then happy to help.
No comments?
Just got a chance to look. The thing is so big it crashes my iPad's browser. :(
I think this is ok. If anything, Gran Colombia might need to extend less far up the Isthmus. Maybe we insert another NPC or a number of NPCs in Central America? Also, I think we said that Cuba, Hispanola and Puerto Rico should be at least 3 NPCs.
Also when you get a chance, we might as well color the Asian large NPCs the NPC color.
Great work!
QuoteThe thing is so big it crashes my iPad's browser.
A few times, I have been playing with the idea to buy one. I will need to keep in mind that I should not be using it to visit the Navalism board if I eventually do buy one. :D
Quote from: miketr on August 02, 2011, 08:44:04 AM
No comments?
At work, so a quick one: you forgot to colour in Greenland for Denmark/Norden.
How about Cuba and Hispaniola each as a weak nation. I can break up Central America my concern is to avoid letting DF just blitz down it.
Michael
Quote from: Korpen on August 02, 2011, 09:41:56 AM
Quote from: miketr on August 02, 2011, 08:44:04 AM
No comments?
At work, so a quick one: you forgot to colour in Greenland for Denmark/Norden.
OK will take care of that tonight.
Any other comments / requests?
Michael
There was a suggestion, and minimal discussion, I think, on having an independent Montenegro so Austria and Byzantium don't have a land border. I'm in favor of this if you're OK with it Mike.
Quote from: Guinness on August 02, 2011, 09:12:21 AM
Maybe we insert another NPC or a number of NPCs in Central America?
Maybe the Federal Republic of Central America never dissolved?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Republic_of_Central_America#before-after
Well I did suggest a Central American NPC. I prefer to deal with an established country in the area than to blitz down, it would make a very nice trading partner.
Quote from: Sachmle on August 02, 2011, 09:59:53 AM
There was a suggestion, and minimal discussion, I think, on having an independent Montenegro so Austria and Byzantium don't have a land border. I'm in favor of this if you're OK with it Mike.
If you really want it Sam no problem my only thought is there is no way for us to fight down that narrow strip as is. We share a border in name only.
Michael
Quote from: Desertfox on August 02, 2011, 11:38:52 AM
Well I did suggest a Central American NPC. I prefer to deal with an established country in the area than to blitz down, it would make a very nice trading partner puppet state.
Fixed. ;) 8)
Quote from: Carthaginian on August 02, 2011, 10:34:20 AM
Quote from: Guinness on August 02, 2011, 09:12:21 AM
Maybe we insert another NPC or a number of NPCs in Central America?
Maybe the Federal Republic of Central America never dissolved?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Republic_of_Central_America#before-after
PERFECT!
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/5950/worldmapv3.png
Just need to do the Asian NPC's to the standard NPC color. Anything else people would like?
Michael
There's one tiny detail you overlooked, but it can be forgiven: NERF light blue only covers the Northeast US and Southeast Canada, when it really should be covering all the world's landmass..... ;D
Can we get a color correction for Korea to be a PC rather than NPC?
Quote from: miketr on August 02, 2011, 11:46:57 AM
Quote from: Sachmle on August 02, 2011, 09:59:53 AM
There was a suggestion, and minimal discussion, I think, on having an independent Montenegro so Austria and Byzantium don't have a land border. I'm in favor of this if you're OK with it Mike.
If you really want it Sam no problem my only thought is there is no way for us to fight down that narrow strip as is. We share a border in name only.
Michael
Suppose that is true. I wasn't thinking about it from your logistic standpoint, just mine, but I see you'd have the same issue taking Dalmatia as I'd have defending it..no where to move.
Only way for me to attack up there at all would be using sea lift and that means could only be a few miles from shore. Its a nightmare from a logistic point of view for either of us to try to attack down. Going up the Danube, which means THROUGH Serbia is the only logical attack point.
Michael
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5106/worldmapv4.png
I think I have everything right now.
Michael
May I suggest a slight change to the Central American NPCs? This would just be to help me make a more coherent backstory for Mexico.
Red would be the Republic of Yucatan, Peach the Confederation of Central America, Yellow not sure which one, probably the Confederation.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/ReneJr/worldmapv4-Copy.png (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/ReneJr/worldmapv4-Copy.png)
So you want to go from one mild/nearly weak NPC to 2 feeble/very weak NPCs as your southern neighbors? Hmmm...seems overtly advantageous to you.
I agree
I just visited the area this summer, and I can tell you that it won't matter if its one NPC or ten, all that will matter will be the PCs that will be involved. Internal communications in the area are non-existant, so the Confederation is a confederation in name only. That's the reason why all the union attempts failed in the area in OTL.
Quote from: Desertfox on August 07, 2011, 06:42:06 PM
Internal communications in the area are non-existant, so the Confederation is a confederation in name only. That's the reason why all the union attempts failed in the area in OTL.
Thank God this isn't OTL then.
Foxy is correct. There's absolutely no feasible way for a single confederation to exist there without, in practice, being two seperate nations. See "The Penguin History of Latin America" for more details.
Quote from: TexanCowboy on August 07, 2011, 06:59:01 PM
Foxy is correct. There's absolutely no feasible way for a single confederation to exist there without, in practice, being two seperate nations. See "The Penguin History of Latin America" for more details.
OTL history is more or less worthless outside it demonstrating what is more or less technologicly possible, however given the general tenor of your recent posts im not surprised you would come out in support of somthing proposed by DF. I cast my Vote with sam and Snip for what its worth (which just like your vote and DFs proposal is exactly nothing as the mods have already made the Decision)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHTRRR3R2wA&feature=player_embedded
This video has ultamite swagger.
I mean, there's no way it's possible unless you rearrange the climate and the landscape. There's a reason the Urals served a massive barrier between communication for Russia, and it's the same way for Central America. There are no passes clearable, really, and one of the central tenants of the sim is "No altering of physical geography"
Too damn convenient from Mexico.
No way.
The point of having the Federal Republic of Central America was to ensure that no one nation could simply waltz in and command the Canal Zone without at least some degree of a fight to 'earn it.' Reducing it to two or three little nations would make it too weak and too easily abused.
That's what Tejas is for...
Heard of the Walker Expedition to Nicaragua? One, two, three, or ten countries, if I or anyone else wants to waltz in and take a piece, I/they'll be able to take it. Only PCs and the bigger NPCs will be able to protect it from being abused.
Quote from: Desertfox on August 07, 2011, 08:37:49 PM
Heard of the Walker Expedition to Nicaragua?
Oh, THAT colossal failure, which produced absolutely nothing but a dead Tennessean and a free Central American nation? Why, yes... I know PRECISELY who William Walker was- a tin-plated dictator with delusions of adequacy who failed at creating a country to lord over THREE TIMES?
This has got to be the stupidest arguement on record here.
Does it really matter?
Not really...
And considering I was the one that suggested that all the Central American countries be consolidated in the first place... It's not like I'm looking for an advantage, and remember that we have mods to step in to stop abuses...
*slaps forehead*....
Guys controlling any 1 of the 3 proposed or possible Canal Zones is problamatic. France tried historicall to build the Canal and Failed. It cost to much, time, money, and manpower to complete. Only the US with a larger and stronge economy, some advances in medicine and medical practices and a herculean effort and huge amounts of money could build the Panama Canal.
So in essence who want to poor their economy into building the Canal for what 10 Years. ?????
With the likely economies we have and the setup, there likely will never be a canal. There is not enough legitimate trade, not a large enough coast to coast naval power...and there are no global Empires.
Quote from: Ithekro on August 07, 2011, 10:19:28 PM
With the likely economies we have and the setup, there likely will never be a canal. There is not enough legitimate trade, not a large enough coast to coast naval power...and there are no global Empires.
Right now there are no global Empires but that will change I believe.
Michael
Latest Map with the new player locations. We are running out of colors.
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/1685/worldmapv5.png
Michael