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Title: ok while I dont have a Nation (and may not get one who knows) I just cant resist
Post by: Tanthalas on July 01, 2011, 04:00:55 AM
I know the armord belt is to tall, I gave into my baser instincts and let hindsight run rampant (and I know the 3 twins arangement isnt exactly period but germany did do it in the 1890s so I went ahead and did it)

HMS Tester, Kingdom of Testistan AC-BB Unified hull laid down 1885

Displacement:
   10,500 t light; 10,877 t standard; 11,795 t normal; 12,530 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   414.00 ft / 414.00 ft x 65.00 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
   126.19 m / 126.19 m x 19.81 m  x 7.62 m

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (3x2 guns), 615.59lbs / 279.23kg shells, 1885 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      6 - 4.50" / 114 mm guns in single mounts, 42.15lbs / 19.12kg shells, 1885 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     6 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
      2 - 3.50" / 88.9 mm guns in single mounts, 19.83lbs / 8.99kg shells, 1885 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all forward
     2 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
      6 - 3.50" / 88.9 mm guns in single mounts, 19.83lbs / 8.99kg shells, 1885 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      10 - 1.50" / 38.1 mm guns in single mounts, 1.56lbs / 0.71kg shells, 1885 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 4,121 lbs / 1,869 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 60
   6 - 17.7" / 450.0001 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14.0" / 356 mm   236.00 ft / 71.93 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   7.00" / 178 mm   178.00 ft / 54.25 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     Main Belt covers 88 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      11.0" / 279 mm
   2nd:   1.50" / 38 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   5th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8,159 ihp / 6,086 Kw = 16.00 kts
   Range 4,300nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,653 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   565 - 735

Cost:
   £1.022 million / $4.089 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 515 tons, 4.4 %
   Armour: 4,232 tons, 35.9 %
      - Belts: 2,552 tons, 21.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 820 tons, 6.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 738 tons, 6.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 123 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 1,586 tons, 13.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,067 tons, 34.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,295 tons, 11.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,444 lbs / 5,645 Kg = 20.2 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 3.1 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 15.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.59
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.39

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.614
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.37 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.35 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 39 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -40.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Forecastle (16 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Mid (49 %):      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Quarterdeck (27 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 83.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 19,933 Square feet or 1,852 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 139 lbs/sq ft or 678 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.72
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Title: Re: ok while I dont have a Nation (and may not get one who knows) I just cant resist
Post by: Tanthalas on July 01, 2011, 04:11:02 AM
and the AC version (I may skip out on this idea compleatly initialy as it works much better in 1890)

HMS Tester, Kingdom of Testistan AC-BB Unified hull laid down 1885

Displacement:
   10,500 t light; 10,836 t standard; 11,795 t normal; 12,562 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   414.00 ft / 414.00 ft x 65.00 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
   126.19 m / 126.19 m x 19.81 m  x 7.62 m

Armament:
      4 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (2x2 guns), 615.59lbs / 279.23kg shells, 1885 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 4.50" / 114 mm guns in single mounts, 42.15lbs / 19.12kg shells, 1885 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     6 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
      2 - 3.50" / 88.9 mm guns in single mounts, 19.83lbs / 8.99kg shells, 1885 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all forward
     2 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
      6 - 3.50" / 88.9 mm guns in single mounts, 19.83lbs / 8.99kg shells, 1885 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      10 - 1.50" / 38.1 mm guns in single mounts, 1.56lbs / 0.71kg shells, 1885 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 2,889 lbs / 1,311 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 60
   6 - 17.7" / 450.0001 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   289.80 ft / 88.33 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   124.18 ft / 37.85 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   1.50" / 38 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   5th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 15,612 ihp / 11,646 Kw = 19.00 kts
   Range 4,505nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,727 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   565 - 735

Cost:
   £1.096 million / $4.383 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 361 tons, 3.1 %
   Armour: 3,155 tons, 26.7 %
      - Belts: 1,774 tons, 15.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 531 tons, 4.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 738 tons, 6.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 112 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 3,034 tons, 25.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,780 tons, 32.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,295 tons, 11.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 170 tons, 1.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8,717 lbs / 3,954 Kg = 14.2 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.21
   Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 14.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.37
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.614
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.37 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.35 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -40.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Mid (49 %):      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 83.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 19,933 Square feet or 1,852 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 129 lbs/sq ft or 630 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.69
      - Overall: 1.01
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Title: Re: ok while I dont have a Nation (and may not get one who knows) I just cant resist
Post by: Tanthalas on July 01, 2011, 04:25:24 AM
or the more period apropriat 9500 ton version (aka the I ignored hindsight as much as possible on it version)

HMS Tester, Kingdom of Testistan Battleship laid down 1885

Displacement:
   9,500 t light; 9,857 t standard; 10,717 t normal; 11,405 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   380.00 ft / 380.00 ft x 64.00 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
   115.82 m / 115.82 m x 19.51 m  x 7.62 m

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (3x2 guns), 615.59lbs / 279.23kg shells, 1885 Model
     Breech loading guns in Coles/Ericsson turrets
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      6 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 57.81lbs / 26.22kg shells, 1885 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     6 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 12.49lbs / 5.66kg shells, 1885 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all forward
     2 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      6 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 12.49lbs / 5.66kg shells, 1885 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      10 - 1.50" / 38.1 mm guns in single mounts, 1.56lbs / 0.71kg shells, 1885 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 4,156 lbs / 1,885 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 60
   6 - 17.7" / 450.0001 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   247.00 ft / 75.29 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   6.00" / 152 mm   132.98 ft / 40.53 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   5.00" / 127 mm            -
   2nd:   1.50" / 38 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1.50" / 38 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.50" / 38 mm         -               -
   5th:   1.50" / 38 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.60" / 66 mm, Conning tower: 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8,000 ihp / 5,968 Kw = 16.06 kts
   Range 4,300nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,549 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   526 - 684

Cost:
   £0.987 million / $3.946 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 519 tons, 4.8 %
   Armour: 3,478 tons, 32.5 %
      - Belts: 1,605 tons, 15.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 899 tons, 8.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 869 tons, 8.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 105 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 1,555 tons, 14.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,948 tons, 36.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,217 tons, 11.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     11,756 lbs / 5,332 Kg = 19.1 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 3.1 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 15.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.84
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.76

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0.617
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.94 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -40.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Mid (49 %):      18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   11.00 ft / 3.35 m (18.00 ft / 5.49 m before break)
      - Stern:      11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.60 ft / 5.06 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 103.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 18,070 Square feet or 1,679 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 143 lbs/sq ft or 698 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.47
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Title: Re: ok while I dont have a Nation (and may not get one who knows) I just cant resist
Post by: Ithekro on July 21, 2011, 06:14:08 PM
I found a few old designs I did for Rohan to back-tech them farther than our original 1883 date.

Basically armored cruisers/battleships

Theoden, Rohan Battleship laid down 1875

Displacement:
   5,405 t light; 5,719 t standard; 6,100 t normal; 6,380 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   340.00 ft / 340.00 ft x 50.00 ft x 19.00 ft (normal load)
   103.63 m / 103.63 m x 15.24 m  x 5.79 m

Armament:
      2 - 9.00" / 229 mm guns in single mounts, 342.64lbs / 155.42kg shells, 1886 Model
     Breech loading guns in Coles/Ericsson turrets
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 101.52lbs / 46.05kg shells, 1886 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     6 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
      12 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 12.69lbs / 5.76kg shells, 1886 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 2,056 lbs / 933 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   140.00 ft / 42.67 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   200.00 ft / 60.96 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   140.00 ft / 42.67 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     Main Belt covers 63 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   5.00" / 127 mm            -
   2nd:   5.00" / 127 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.75" / 19 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 9.00" / 229 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2,930 ihp / 2,186 Kw = 12.97 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 7.00 kts (Bunkerage = 686 tons)

Complement:
   344 - 448

Cost:
   £0.496 million / $1.986 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 257 tons, 4.2 %
   Armour: 2,194 tons, 36.0 %
      - Belts: 1,326 tons, 21.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 564 tons, 9.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 240 tons, 3.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 65 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 653 tons, 10.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,300 tons, 37.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 695 tons, 11.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     6,607 lbs / 2,997 Kg = 23.4 x 9.0 " / 229 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 2.2 ft / 0.7 m
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.66
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.55

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.661
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.80 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.44 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 33 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Mid (50 %):      14.00 ft / 4.27 m (13.00 ft / 3.96 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Stern:      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:   13.82 ft / 4.21 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 68.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 96.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 12,992 Square feet or 1,207 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 115 lbs/sq ft or 564 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.75
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Title: Re: ok while I dont have a Nation (and may not get one who knows) I just cant resist
Post by: Ithekro on July 21, 2011, 06:14:47 PM
A second one, slightly newer

Aragorn, Rohan Battleship laid down 1877

Displacement:
   5,646 t light; 5,936 t standard; 6,300 t normal; 6,566 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   340.00 ft / 340.00 ft x 50.00 ft x 19.00 ft (normal load)
   103.63 m / 103.63 m x 15.24 m  x 5.79 m

Armament:
      2 - 9.00" / 229 mm guns in single mounts, 293.46lbs / 133.11kg shells, 1877 Model
     Breech loading guns in Coles/Ericsson turrets
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 86.95lbs / 39.44kg shells, 1877 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     6 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
      12 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 10.87lbs / 4.93kg shells, 1877 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 1,761 lbs / 799 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   140.00 ft / 42.67 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   200.00 ft / 60.96 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   140.00 ft / 42.67 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     Main Belt covers 63 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   5.00" / 127 mm            -
   2nd:   5.00" / 127 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.75" / 19 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3,000 ihp / 2,238 Kw = 13.03 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 7.00 kts (Bunkerage = 654 tons)

Complement:
   353 - 459

Cost:
   £0.473 million / $1.892 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 220 tons, 3.5 %
   Armour: 2,565 tons, 40.7 %
      - Belts: 1,673 tons, 26.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 572 tons, 9.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 246 tons, 3.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 73 tons, 1.2 %
   Machinery: 647 tons, 10.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,213 tons, 35.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 654 tons, 10.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7,831 lbs / 3,552 Kg = 26.7 x 9.0 " / 229 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 2.1 ft / 0.6 m
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.56
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.53

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.683
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.80 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.44 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 34 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Mid (50 %):      14.00 ft / 4.27 m (13.00 ft / 3.96 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Stern:      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:   13.82 ft / 4.21 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 61.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 96.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 13,293 Square feet or 1,235 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 109 lbs/sq ft or 535 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.65
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather


Title: Re: ok while I dont have a Nation (and may not get one who knows) I just cant resist
Post by: Ithekro on July 21, 2011, 06:16:14 PM
And the last one...this one actually appeared in the sim as a ship sold to California by Rohan in order to afford to finish one of the newer battleships around 1898.


Deor, Rohan Battleship laid down 1881 (Engine 1891)

Displacement:
   5,848 t light; 6,373 t standard; 6,800 t normal; 7,114 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   360.00 ft / 360.00 ft x 50.00 ft x 19.00 ft (normal load)
   109.73 m / 109.73 m x 15.24 m  x 5.79 m

Armament:
      2 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns in single mounts, 575.70lbs / 261.13kg shells, 1881 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      14 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 93.43lbs / 42.38kg shells, 1881 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     6 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 11.68lbs / 5.30kg shells, 1881 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      4 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns in single mounts, 0.18lbs / 0.08kg shells, 1881 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 2,554 lbs / 1,158 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.50" / 216 mm   141.00 ft / 42.98 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   219.00 ft / 66.75 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   141.00 ft / 42.98 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     Main Belt covers 60 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   5.00" / 127 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.75" / 19 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.25" / 32 mm, Conning tower: 8.50" / 216 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2,739 ihp / 2,043 Kw = 13.00 kts
   Range 6,500nm at 7.00 kts (Bunkerage = 768 tons)

Complement:
   373 - 486

Cost:
   £0.547 million / $2.186 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 319 tons, 4.7 %
   Armour: 2,489 tons, 36.6 %
      - Belts: 1,601 tons, 23.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 492 tons, 7.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 330 tons, 4.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 66 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 527 tons, 7.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,488 tons, 36.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 952 tons, 14.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 0.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8,857 lbs / 4,017 Kg = 15.4 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
   Metacentric height 2.3 ft / 0.7 m
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.67
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.50

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.696
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.20 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.97 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 32 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Mid (50 %):      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Stern:      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:   14.16 ft / 4.31 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 65.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 14,270 Square feet or 1,326 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 115 lbs/sq ft or 560 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.00
      - Longitudinal: 1.67
      - Overall: 1.06
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Title: Re: ok while I dont have a Nation (and may not get one who knows) I just cant resist
Post by: Ithekro on July 21, 2011, 06:27:45 PM
And for some reason I made this.

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