I could n't start without the Hoche type :o :o :o
Barbette covered BB, France BB-4x340 laid down 1882
Barbette ship
Displacement:
9 990 t light; 10 441 t standard; 11 130 t normal; 11 681 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
360.89 ft / 360.89 ft x 65.62 ft x 25.86 ft (normal load)
110.00 m / 110.00 m x 20.00 m x 7.88 m
Armament:
4 - 13.39" / 340 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1 037.34lbs / 470.53kg shells, 1881 Model
Breech loading guns in open barbettes
on centreline, evenly spread
12 - 5.43" / 138 mm guns in single mounts, 68.16lbs / 30.92kg shells, 1880 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 2.69lbs / 1.22kg shells, 1880 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 0.51" / 13.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1880 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 4 989 lbs / 2 263 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 80
4 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.4" / 340 mm 236.22 ft / 72.00 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Ends: 2.01" / 51 mm 98.43 ft / 30.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
26.25 ft / 8.00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 5.91" / 150 mm 236.22 ft / 72.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: - - 9.06" / 230 mm
2nd: 3.94" / 100 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armour deck: 2.76" / 70 mm, Conning tower: 13.39" / 340 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 505 ihp / 6 345 Kw = 16.00 kts
Range 3 000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 240 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
541 - 704
Cost:
£1.113 million / $4.453 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 624 tons, 5.6 %
Armour: 3 742 tons, 33.6 %
- Belts: 1 944 tons, 17.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 741 tons, 6.7 %
- Armour Deck: 913 tons, 8.2 %
- Conning Tower: 144 tons, 1.3 %
Machinery: 1 712 tons, 15.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 612 tons, 32.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 140 tons, 10.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 2.7 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
9 006 lbs / 4 085 Kg = 8.5 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
Roll period: 14.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 84 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.54
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.62
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck
Block coefficient: 0.636
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.50 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.00 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 9.19 ft / 2.80 m
- Forecastle (18 %): 9.19 ft / 2.80 m
- Mid (50 %): 17.06 ft / 5.20 m
- Quarterdeck (18 %): 9.19 ft / 2.80 m (17.06 ft / 5.20 m before break)
- Stern: 9.19 ft / 2.80 m
- Average freeboard: 12.97 ft / 3.95 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 95.2 %
Waterplane Area: 17 909 Square feet or 1 664 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 89 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 139 lbs/sq ft or 679 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.91
- Longitudinal: 2.39
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Hoche inspiration
Drawing in progress ;)
Yeah... I can tell right now that there will be a MAJOR divergence between Acadian and French designs. ;)
I hope that she doesn't have the topweight problems of "The Hotel", Jef, or that 2.8m of freeboard will likely just be 0.8m.
The Hotel fore barbette, well closed, with the 340mm gun, is installed one deck higher.
But, she is always "The Hotel"
Jef ;)
Inspired from the Coastal French BB, the Station BB (colonial) & the French losange artillery disposition:
6200t, France colonial BB laid down 1887
Displacement:
6 200 t light; 6 451 t standard; 6 893 t normal; 7 247 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
301.84 ft / 301.84 ft x 59.06 ft x 21.83 ft (normal load)
92.00 m / 92.00 m x 18.00 m x 6.65 m
Armament:
2 - 9.45" / 240 mm guns in single mounts, 402.82lbs / 182.71kg shells, 1887 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, evenly spread
2 - 9.45" / 240 mm guns in single mounts, 402.82lbs / 182.71kg shells, 1887 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
8 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 29.14lbs / 13.22kg shells, 1887 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.03lbs / 1.37kg shells, 1887 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1 869 lbs / 848 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100
4 - 17.7" / 450 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 239.50 ft / 73.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 122 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 1.97" / 50 mm 7.87" / 200 mm
2nd: 7.87" / 200 mm 1.97" / 50 mm 7.87" / 200 mm
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10 284 ihp / 7 672 Kw = 18.00 kts
Range 3 000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 797 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
377 - 491
Cost:
£0.693 million / $2.771 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 234 tons, 3.4 %
Armour: 1 593 tons, 23.1 %
- Belts: 642 tons, 9.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 420 tons, 6.1 %
- Armour Deck: 484 tons, 7.0 %
- Conning Tower: 46 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 1 997 tons, 29.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 217 tons, 32.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 693 tons, 10.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 160 tons, 2.3 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
4 366 lbs / 1 981 Kg = 10.8 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
Metacentric height 3.0 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 14.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.44
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.31
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.620
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.11 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 17.37 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 15.09 ft / 4.60 m
- Forecastle (18 %): 15.09 ft / 4.60 m
- Mid (40 %): 15.09 ft / 4.60 m
- Quarterdeck (16 %): 15.09 ft / 4.60 m
- Stern: 15.09 ft / 4.60 m
- Average freeboard: 15.09 ft / 4.60 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 121.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 90.1 %
Waterplane Area: 13 282 Square feet or 1 234 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 111 lbs/sq ft or 543 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.89
- Longitudinal: 2.93
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Ah... the Capitan Prat!
Always been one of my favorite of the 2nd class Battleships.
French TBs
The first one are strictly the N°1 - 9 & 41
-1875-Torpilleur n°1-38x4.2x1.25-2.6-101t-800shp-14.37kts-1TT356mm-proue+1TTpoupe
-1875-Torpilleur Thornycroft-n°9-27t
26.4x2.93x0.98x300shp-18kts
hampe1TT
-1876-Torpilleur de 27m-Normand-N°41-27x3.55x0.54-30.5t-320-500shp-18kts-1TT
-1877-80t-38x4.2x1.31-2x37+2ttx356-125nm-10kts-1050shp-18.7kts
-1878-80t-38x4.2x1.31-2x37+2ttx356-125nm-10kts-1120shp-19kts
-1879-100t-40x4.4x1.48-2x37+2ttx356-150nm-10kts-1600shp-20.2kts
-1880-Manche class (Channel class)- 200t-50x6x1.75-2x47+4TTx356-250nm-10kts-3000shp-21.7kts
From 1877 to 1880, all Torpilleurs are:
"Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
"
That is not la "Jeune Ecole" but la "Jef Ecole"
:D :D :D
SS of the Channel class
Speed reduce to 21kts & misc weight increase to 10t
This ship could be equipped with sails if neccessary.
1880-200TB, France 4TTx355+2x47-Manche classe laid down 1880
Displacement:
200 t light; 205 t standard; 212 t normal; 217 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
164.04 ft / 164.04 ft x 19.69 ft x 5.74 ft (normal load)
50.00 m / 50.00 m x 6.00 m x 1.75 m
Armament:
2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 2.69lbs / 1.22kg shells, 1880 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline, evenly spread, 1 raised mount
Weight of broadside 5 lbs / 2 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
4 - 14.0" / 355.6 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.49" / 13 mm - -
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2 750 ihp / 2 051 Kw = 21.25 kts
Range 260nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 12 tons (100% coal)
Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery
Complement:
27 - 36
Cost:
£0.026 million / $0.102 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 tons, 0.3 %
Armour: 1 tons, 0.4 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 1 tons, 0.4 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 128 tons, 60.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 61 tons, 28.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 11 tons, 5.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 10 tons, 4.7 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
39 lbs / 18 Kg = 14.4 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.30
Metacentric height 0.7 ft / 0.2 m
Roll period: 9.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.03
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.12
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.400
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.33 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 12.81 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 67
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 7.87 ft / 2.40 m
- Forecastle (16 %): 9.51 ft / 2.90 m
- Mid (50 %): 7.22 ft / 2.20 m
- Quarterdeck (12 %): 7.22 ft / 2.20 m
- Stern: 7.22 ft / 2.20 m
- Average freeboard: 7.87 ft / 2.40 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 202.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 67.5 %
Waterplane Area: 1 988 Square feet or 185 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 18 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 17 lbs/sq ft or 84 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.44
- Longitudinal: 1.67
- Overall: 0.50
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is extremely poor
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
QuoteHull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.44
- Longitudinal: 1.67
- Overall: 0.50
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
Quote from: Sachmle on June 30, 2011, 07:10:40 PM
QuoteHull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.44
- Longitudinal: 1.67
- Overall: 0.50
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
With a 210 n. mi. cruising range, I don't exactly see these vessels entering 'open sea,' Sam.
I think these are strictly harbor defense boats... and by 'harbor defense' I mean something like Lower Mobile Bay (draw too much water for the Upper Bay), and not even something like the Chesapeake.
No reason to worry about it now, guys. When we get the ship design rules from the mods, it can easily be dealt with, or maybe it falls within. Who knows?
Quote from: Carthaginian on June 30, 2011, 09:57:14 PM
With a 210 n. mi. cruising range, I don't exactly see these vessels entering 'open sea,' Sam.
I think these are strictly harbor defense boats... and by 'harbor defense' I mean something like Lower Mobile Bay (draw too much water for the Upper Bay), and not even something like the Chesapeake.
I was more referring to the 0.44 cross-sectional.
Quote from: Sachmle on June 30, 2011, 10:44:10 PM
Quote from: Carthaginian on June 30, 2011, 09:57:14 PM
With a 210 n. mi. cruising range, I don't exactly see these vessels entering 'open sea,' Sam.
I think these are strictly harbor defense boats... and by 'harbor defense' I mean something like Lower Mobile Bay (draw too much water for the Upper Bay), and not even something like the Chesapeake.
I was more referring to the 0.44 cross-sectional.
I kinda was as well.
We agreed that 0.50 was the minimum that a 'fast ship' could have and be considered fit to go to sea.
If the ship will never leave protected waters, then there would be nothing wrong- theoretically- with it having a weaker hull. Now, should these ships ever leave protected waters, they would be in grave danger of breaking up and sinking... but then again, so were most real early torpedo boats.
Rework "Manche classe"
1880-200TB, France 3TTx355+2x47-Manche class laid down 1880
Displacement:
200 t light; 205 t standard; 210 t normal; 215 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
159.12 ft / 159.12 ft x 19.69 ft x 5.87 ft (normal load)
48.50 m / 48.50 m x 6.00 m x 1.79 m
Armament:
2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 2.69lbs / 1.22kg shells, 1880 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline, evenly spread, 1 raised mount
Weight of broadside 5 lbs / 2 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
3 - 14.0" / 355.6 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.49" / 13 mm - -
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2 680 ihp / 1 999 Kw = 21.04 kts
Range 210nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 10 tons (100% coal)
Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery
Complement:
26 - 35
Cost:
£0.025 million / $0.101 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 tons, 0.3 %
Armour: 1 tons, 0.4 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 1 tons, 0.4 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 127 tons, 60.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 64 tons, 30.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 10 tons, 4.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 8 tons, 3.8 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
41 lbs / 19 Kg = 15.4 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.31
Metacentric height 0.7 ft / 0.2 m
Roll period: 9.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.03
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.00
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.400
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.08 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 12.61 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 7.22 ft / 2.20 m
- Forecastle (16 %): 9.19 ft / 2.80 m
- Mid (50 %): 6.79 ft / 2.07 m
- Quarterdeck (12 %): 6.79 ft / 2.07 m
- Stern: 6.79 ft / 2.07 m
- Average freeboard: 7.46 ft / 2.27 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 201.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 73.4 %
Waterplane Area: 1 928 Square feet or 179 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 19 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 19 lbs/sq ft or 93 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 1.66
- Overall: 0.56
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is extremely poor
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
This ship is also equipped with sails
Quote from: Carthaginian on June 30, 2011, 11:06:11 PM
I kinda was as well.
We agreed that 0.50 was the minimum that a 'fast ship' could have and be considered fit to go to sea.
If the ship will never leave protected waters, then there would be nothing wrong- theoretically- with it having a weaker hull. Now, should these ships ever leave protected waters, they would be in grave danger of breaking up and sinking... but then again, so were most real early torpedo boats.
I see Jef already reworked it, but you do have a point. I'm stuck in N3/WW shipbuilding rule mindset, but your point is valid and perhaps should be considered. Or maybe, instead of having min/max let us build what we want (within reason) and if it fails (due to poor cross-sectional, low/high L:B, etc..) then it will be quite realistic. Look at the Japanese CLs that capsized after launch due to topweight. SS would proly give them a poor metacentric height, and they had a very fine L:B, probably outside our present rules allowance. Or the German inter-war CLs that had to be strengthened later due to hull cracks from the light work and all-welded construction used in their building. SS would probably have them at less the 1.00 overall or at least less than 0.80 cross-sectional. We should let ppl build ships like this, to many of our ships have been 'perfect' ideas with no glaring flaws, while IRL lots of ships had quite obvious flaws.
Admiral Battleship Hoche modified by the "Ministre de la Guerre"
Central superstructure between the 274 mm guns are affected to the Admiral & his staff.
Protection from the waves added around the 340mm turrets .
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Jef ;)
I work actualy, SS & drawing, on the citadel BB Dévastation & Foudroyant.
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Dévastation-Foudroyant, France Citadel BB laid down 1876
Displacement:
8 590 t light; 9 104 t standard; 9 879 t normal; 10 500 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
314.96 ft / 314.96 ft x 68.90 ft x 26.12 ft (normal load)
96.00 m / 96.00 m x 21.00 m x 7.96 m
Armament:
4 - 13.39" / 340 mm guns in single mounts, 947.40lbs / 429.73kg shells, 1876 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
4 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
2 - 10.79" / 274 mm guns in single mounts, 495.85lbs / 224.91kg shells, 1876 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
2 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 66.14lbs / 30.00kg shells, 1876 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 66.14lbs / 30.00kg shells, 1876 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 2.50lbs / 1.14kg shells, 1876 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 5 463 lbs / 2 478 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100
4 - 13.8" / 350 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 15.0" / 380 mm 216.54 ft / 66.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Ends: 8.66" / 220 mm 55.77 ft / 17.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
42.65 ft / 13.00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 8.66" / 220 mm 85.30 ft / 26.00 m 13.45 ft / 4.10 m
Main Belt covers 106 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm - -
2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armour deck: 2.36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 11.81" / 300 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6 848 ihp / 5 109 Kw = 15.00 kts
Range 3 000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 396 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
495 - 644
Cost:
£1.085 million / $4.338 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 683 tons, 6.9 %
Armour: 2 859 tons, 28.9 %
- Belts: 1 937 tons, 19.6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 105 tons, 1.1 %
- Armour Deck: 700 tons, 7.1 %
- Conning Tower: 117 tons, 1.2 %
Machinery: 1 502 tons, 15.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 247 tons, 32.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 289 tons, 13.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 3.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
7 777 lbs / 3 528 Kg = 8.2 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.29
Metacentric height 4.5 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 13.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0.610
Length to Beam Ratio: 4.57 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 17.75 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 23.62 ft / 7.20 m
- Forecastle (12 %): 23.62 ft / 7.20 m (19.69 ft / 6.00 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Quarterdeck (14 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Stern: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Average freeboard: 20.16 ft / 6.14 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114.7 %
Waterplane Area: 16 020 Square feet or 1 488 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 85 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 130 lbs/sq ft or 635 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.85
- Longitudinal: 4.18
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Mon Dieu! French ships are ugly.
(Yes, I know this isn't news.)
LOL... there are uglier ones to come!
Nice work, Jef!
P.S.
Another ship that proves that anything more than 1.00 composite strength will kill the ability to sim historic ships. This one is pretty much bang on target, but making it be 1.10 or heavier would make the tonnage too heavy.
What was the construction of this ship? Was it steel hulled or iron? I haven't found a resource yet that's not in French that might tell me.
really anything 1860 - 1900ish is useful
Waouhhh !!!
Much comments
I have also my sources:
a 1978 Conway"Modern History of Warships" by William Hoovgaard
Dévastation-1879-9600t-15kts
4x12"6 + 2x10"5 + 6x5"5 - belt 15"
100 ans de Marine Francaise - april 2002
From the 1869 Océan to 1940 Jean-Bart...
Foudroyant & Dévastation
Dévastation: LD 20 dec 1875
10500t
Protection: Wrought Iron
Belt 380-Citadel 240-Deck 60
4x340+2x274+6x140
twin screws-15kts
Steel elements used in the building of the predecessor "Le Redoutable" LD 10 july 1873
Other sources
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ironclad_D%C3%A9vastation
http://navalhistory.flixco.info/G/253758x53053/281303/a0.htm
Interresting infos from Wiki about armor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironclad_warship
Jef
QuoteUpdate: her predecessor Redoubtable was the world's first steel warship, so I assume these were all steel too. Our current thinking is we might require 1.1 for iron, 1.05 for early steel, and 1.0 for later steel.
After research...
Dévastation hull structure use steel but armor boards were in wrought iron.
So, I could rework easely the SS & have a strenght of 1.1
Jef
I have rework SS to have "Hull strength = 1.10"
Dévastation-Foudroyant, France Citadel BB laid down 1876
Displacement:
8 989 t light; 9 474 t standard; 10 266 t normal; 10 900 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
323.49 ft / 323.49 ft x 69.69 ft x 26.57 ft (normal load)
98.60 m / 98.60 m x 21.24 m x 8.10 m
Armament:
4 - 13.39" / 340 mm guns in single mounts, 947.40lbs / 429.73kg shells, 1876 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
4 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
2 - 10.79" / 274 mm guns in single mounts, 495.85lbs / 224.91kg shells, 1876 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
2 - 10.79" / 274 mm guns in single mounts, 495.85lbs / 224.91kg shells, 1876 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 66.14lbs / 30.00kg shells, 1876 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 2.50lbs / 1.14kg shells, 1876 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 6 058 lbs / 2 748 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 80
4 - 13.8" / 350 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 15.0" / 380 mm 223.10 ft / 68.00 m 7.22 ft / 2.20 m
Ends: 9.45" / 240 mm 55.77 ft / 17.00 m 7.22 ft / 2.20 m
44.62 ft / 13.60 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 9.45" / 240 mm 72.18 ft / 22.00 m 11.81 ft / 3.60 m
Main Belt covers 106 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
2nd: 2.95" / 75 mm - -
3rd: 2.95" / 75 mm - -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armour deck: 2.36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 8.66" / 220 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6 922 ihp / 5 164 Kw = 15.00 kts
Range 3 000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 426 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
509 - 662
Cost:
£1.163 million / $4.653 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 757 tons, 7.4 %
Armour: 2 707 tons, 26.4 %
- Belts: 1 776 tons, 17.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 123 tons, 1.2 %
- Armour Deck: 721 tons, 7.0 %
- Conning Tower: 88 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 1 518 tons, 14.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 787 tons, 36.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 278 tons, 12.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 220 tons, 2.1 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
8 051 lbs / 3 652 Kg = 8.5 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.31
Metacentric height 4.7 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 13.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.49
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0.600
Length to Beam Ratio: 4.64 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 17.99 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 23.62 ft / 7.20 m
- Forecastle (12 %): 23.62 ft / 7.20 m (19.69 ft / 6.00 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Quarterdeck (14 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Stern: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Average freeboard: 20.16 ft / 6.14 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 115.1 %
Waterplane Area: 16 487 Square feet or 1 532 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 85 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 147 lbs/sq ft or 718 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 4.52
- Overall: 1.10
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
From the RULES
QuoteInitially Revealed Tech Tree
Years are: Years everyone can get it/Years only those with required establishment can get this. Establishments required are in (parens)
Naval Propulsion:
Baseline: Engine year: year laid down, 100% coal, simple expansion engines only
1890/1885: Engine year: year laid down, 100% coal, vertical triple expansion engines (Naval Propulsion Establishment)
Shipbuilding Materials:
Baseline: Iron ships, overall strength of 1.2 required
1890/1885: Early steel ships, overall strength of 1.1 required (Either the Capital Ship or Jeune Ecole Establishment)
Armor:
Baseline: Composite armor.
1890/1885: Harvey Nickel Steel armor, protection +1. (Capital Ship Establishment)
Artillery:
Baseline: Max muzzle energy 1900 million lb.ft^2/s^2
1890/1885: Max muzzle energy 2500 million lb.ft^2/s^2 (Guns gunnery and Fire control)
With a strenght of 1.2,
I can't SS the real characts of the Dévastation.
with a strenght of 1.1 - 10900tfl - is the top limit of the characts find on every infos source, NET or books.
Jef ;)
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Quote from: Jefgte on August 12, 2011, 04:27:54 AM
With a strenght of 1.2, I can't SS the real characts of the Dévastation.
with a strenght of 1.1 - 10900tfl - is the top limit of the characts find on every infos source, NET or books.
Jef ;)
im runin into the same problem mate, lotsa period ships work fine at a 1.10 but a 1.20 is a no frekin way kinda thing.
I agree, 1.2 is unrealist number ...
To All... forget it
Jef ;)
Terrible-Rochambeau, France 3rd class BB laid down 1877
Displacement:
5 890 t light; 6 287 t standard; 6 890 t normal; 7 373 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
275.59 ft / 275.59 ft x 59.38 ft x 24.56 ft (normal load)
84.00 m / 84.00 m x 18.10 m x 7.49 m
Armament:
2 - 9.45" / 240 mm guns in single mounts, 339.55lbs / 154.02kg shells, 1877 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline, evenly spread
6 - 9.45" / 240 mm guns in single mounts, 339.55lbs / 154.02kg shells, 1877 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
8 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns (4x2 guns), 67.40lbs / 30.57kg shells, 1877 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 2.55lbs / 1.16kg shells, 1877 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3 276 lbs / 1 486 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 130
4 - 13.8" / 350 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 9.84" / 250 mm 190.29 ft / 58.00 m 7.22 ft / 2.20 m
Ends: 3.15" / 80 mm 55.77 ft / 17.00 m 7.22 ft / 2.20 m
29.53 ft / 9.00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 7.87" / 200 mm 203.41 ft / 62.00 m 9.19 ft / 2.80 m
Main Belt covers 106 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.57" / 40 mm - -
2nd: 1.57" / 40 mm - -
3rd: 1.57" / 40 mm - -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 7.87" / 200 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5 652 ihp / 4 217 Kw = 15.00 kts
Range 3 000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 085 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
377 - 491
Cost:
£0.721 million / $2.884 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 409 tons, 5.9 %
Armour: 1 905 tons, 27.7 %
- Belts: 1 292 tons, 18.8 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 116 tons, 1.7 %
- Armour Deck: 436 tons, 6.3 %
- Conning Tower: 61 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 1 220 tons, 17.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 195 tons, 31.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 001 tons, 14.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 160 tons, 2.3 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
4 423 lbs / 2 006 Kg = 13.0 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.28
Metacentric height 3.6 ft / 1.1 m
Roll period: 13.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 80 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.31
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.59
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0.600
Length to Beam Ratio: 4.64 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 16.60 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Forecastle (14 %): 15.42 ft / 4.70 m (11.48 ft / 3.50 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
- Quarterdeck (16 %): 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
- Stern: 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
- Average freeboard: 12.09 ft / 3.68 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 105.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 64.4 %
Waterplane Area: 11 969 Square feet or 1 112 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 89 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 123 lbs/sq ft or 601 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 3.58
- Overall: 1.10
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Why still SS2 Jef? SS3 would make this ship awesome (probably buy you another foot or so on the belt).
What Carth said, plus: Deck mounts for 24cm guns? Ouch! I feel for the gun crew already.
Quote from: Sachmle on August 26, 2011, 02:38:15 PM
Deck mounts for 24cm guns? Ouch! I feel for the gun crew already.
In 1877, most mounts are really what we'd consider 'deck mounts'- including some of the muzzle loaders that have to have a block & tackle and some tongs to load the shell with!
SS2 because this is an old PC with just SS2
Terrible ala Rochambeau (ex USS Dudenberg)
The idea is to built a light BB with medium guns in battery with better rate of fire.
Cart is wright, no hoist at this time, just tackle.
Jef ;)
What SS3 to download?
3.0beta2
3.0beta3
3.0beta3
SS3 in progress for Terrible class...
I have found some characs about the French 340mm gun for Dévastation
340 mm mod. 1875 de 21 cal, citadel installation, hydrauliques Farcot mounts, pointage + 7°/-5°, Rof 8 minutes, hydraulic tackle.
ROF...8 minutes !!!
We have enough time to go to the store-room, drinking a beer ... a fresh Guinness, for example !!!
Jef
Yeah- those old large caliber guns are hilariously slow.
Unfortunately, some people refuse to believe just how slow.
EDIT: here is a great page on how slowly they actually fired; check out the load times on the guns for H.M.S. Inflexible and the Caio Duilio... between 11 and 15 minutes PER SHELL!
http://www.answers.com/topic/ironclad
Here is my 1st SS3 with Le Terrible class - light BB
Some minor adjustements to made...
Terrible, France Light BB laid down 1877
Displacement:
5 890 t light; 6 299 t standard; 6 903 t normal; 7 386 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(285.43 ft / 275.59 ft) x 59.38 ft x (24.52 / 25.93 ft)
(87.00 m / 84.00 m) x 18.10 m x (7.47 / 7.90 m)
Armament:
2 - 9.45" / 240 mm 25.0 cal guns - 343.74lbs / 155.92kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1877 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
6 - 9.45" / 240 mm 25.0 cal guns - 343.74lbs / 155.92kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1877 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 - 5.51" / 140 mm 30.0 cal guns - 69.25lbs / 31.41kg shells, 250 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1877 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 2.71lbs / 1.23kg shells, 300 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1877 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3 049 lbs / 1 383 kg
Main Torpedoes
4 - 15.0" / 381 mm, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.128 t each, 0.512 t total
In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 9.45" / 240 mm 177.17 ft / 54.00 m 7.87 ft / 2.40 m
Ends: 3.94" / 100 mm 65.62 ft / 20.00 m 7.87 ft / 2.40 m
32.81 ft / 10.00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 3.94" / 100 mm 177.17 ft / 54.00 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 3.94" / 100 mm -
2nd: 7.87" / 200 mm 3.94" / 100 mm -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 2.36" / 60 mm
Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm Quarter deck: 1.97" / 50 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5 663 ihp / 4 224 Kw = 15.00 kts
Range 3 000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 087 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
378 - 492
Cost:
£0.459 million / $1.834 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 251 tons, 3.6 %
- Guns: 251 tons, 3.6 %
- Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 1 943 tons, 28.1 %
- Belts: 1 006 tons, 14.6 %
- Armament: 419 tons, 6.1 %
- Armour Deck: 518 tons, 7.5 %
Machinery: 1 222 tons, 17.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 054 tons, 29.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 013 tons, 14.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 420 tons, 6.1 %
- On freeboard deck: 220 tons
- Above deck: 200 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
7 522 lbs / 3 412 Kg = 22.2 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 17.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.46
Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 11.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 87 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.28
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.73
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle,
a ram bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.602 / 0.609
Length to Beam Ratio: 4.64 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 16.60 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 12.00 %, 17.06 ft / 5.20 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Forward deck: 20.00 %, 12.47 ft / 3.80 m, 12.47 ft / 3.80 m
- Aft deck: 56.00 %, 12.47 ft / 3.80 m, 12.47 ft / 3.80 m
- Quarter deck: 12.00 %, 12.47 ft / 3.80 m, 12.47 ft / 3.80 m
- Average freeboard: 12.97 ft / 3.95 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 72.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 74.9 %
Waterplane Area: 11 992 Square feet or 1 114 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 124 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 122 lbs/sq ft or 596 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 3.73
- Overall: 1.10
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
1st class BB for 1880 - 12000t is correct I think
Amiral Baudin-Magenta, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1880
Barbette ship
Displacement:
12 000 t light; 12 636 t standard; 13 459 t normal; 14 117 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(380.58 ft / 374.02 ft) x 74.80 ft x (27.60 / 28.72 ft)
(116.00 m / 114.00 m) x 22.80 m x (8.41 / 8.75 m)
Armament:
2 - 12.60" / 320 mm 20.5 cal guns - 827.37lbs / 375.29kg shells, 80 per gun
Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1880 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
6 - 12.60" / 320 mm 20.5 cal guns - 827.37lbs / 375.29kg shells, 80 per gun
Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1880 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 - 5.51" / 140 mm 22.5 cal guns - 69.64lbs / 31.59kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1880 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 raised mounts
8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 30.0 cal guns - 2.69lbs / 1.22kg shells, 250 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1880 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 7 476 lbs / 3 391 kg
Main Torpedoes
4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.292 t each, 1.168 t total
In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 15.0" / 380 mm 229.66 ft / 70.00 m 7.87 ft / 2.40 m
Ends: 3.15" / 80 mm 65.62 ft / 20.00 m 7.87 ft / 2.40 m
78.74 ft / 24.00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 7.87" / 200 mm 229.66 ft / 70.00 m 9.19 ft / 2.80 m
Main Belt covers 94 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: - - 7.87" / 200 mm
2nd: - - 7.87" / 200 mm
3rd: 1.57" / 40 mm - -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 2.36" / 60 mm
Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm Quarter deck: 1.97" / 50 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 7.87" / 200 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 20 shafts, 9 648 ihp / 7 197 Kw = 16.00 kts
Range 3 000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 482 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
624 - 812
Cost:
£0.917 million / $3.667 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 696 tons, 5.2 %
- Guns: 694 tons, 5.2 %
- Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 4 294 tons, 31.9 %
- Belts: 2 080 tons, 15.5 %
- Armament: 1 230 tons, 9.1 %
- Armour Deck: 887 tons, 6.6 %
- Conning Tower: 96 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 1 993 tons, 14.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 717 tons, 35.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 459 tons, 10.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 2.2 %
- On freeboard deck: 300 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
16 173 lbs / 7 336 Kg = 19.0 x 12.6 " / 320 mm shells or 12.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.35
Metacentric height 5.5 ft / 1.7 m
Roll period: 13.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 86 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.51
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.73
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.610 / 0.615
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.34 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 14.00 %, 17.06 ft / 5.20 m, 16.73 ft / 5.10 m
- Forward deck: 20.00 %, 13.45 ft / 4.10 m, 13.45 ft / 4.10 m
- Aft deck: 51.00 %, 13.45 ft / 4.10 m, 13.45 ft / 4.10 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 13.45 ft / 4.10 m, 13.45 ft / 4.10 m
- Average freeboard: 13.93 ft / 4.25 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 65.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 84.4 %
Waterplane Area: 20 654 Square feet or 1 919 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 126 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 176 lbs/sq ft or 858 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 2.90
- Overall: 1.10
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Rework the 1st class BB Dévastation & Foudroyant with SS3
Dévastation-Foudroyant, France Cuirassé de 1er classe laid down 1876
Displacement:
8 717 t light; 9 197 t standard; 9 976 t normal; 10 600 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(323.49 ft / 314.96 ft) x 69.55 ft x (26.56 / 27.93 ft)
(98.60 m / 96.00 m) x 21.20 m x (8.10 / 8.51 m)
Armament:
4 - 13.39" / 340 mm 18.0 cal guns - 941.79lbs / 427.19kg shells, 70 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1875 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
2 - 10.79" / 274 mm 18.0 cal guns - 492.91lbs / 223.58kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1875 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 - 10.79" / 274 mm 18.0 cal guns - 492.91lbs / 223.58kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1875 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
4 - 5.45" / 139 mm 32.0 cal guns - 66.20lbs / 30.03kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1875 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 35.0 cal guns - 2.61lbs / 1.19kg shells, 250 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1875 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 6 025 lbs / 2 733 kg
Main Torpedoes
4 - 15.0" / 381 mm, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m torpedoes - 0.077 t each, 0.306 t total
In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
Armour: wrought iron
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 15.0" / 380 mm 206.69 ft / 63.00 m 7.87 ft / 2.40 m
Ends: 3.94" / 100 mm 65.62 ft / 20.00 m 7.87 ft / 2.40 m
42.65 ft / 13.00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 9.45" / 240 mm 78.74 ft / 24.00 m 15.75 ft / 4.80 m
Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm - -
2nd: 7.87" / 200 mm - -
3rd: 7.87" / 200 mm - -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
5th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 2.36" / 60 mm
Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 8.66" / 220 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6 872 ihp / 5 127 Kw = 15.00 kts
Range 3 000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 402 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
498 - 648
Cost:
£0.633 million / $2.532 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 302 tons, 3.0 %
- Guns: 302 tons, 3.0 %
- Weapons: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 3 079 tons, 30.9 %
- Belts: 1 992 tons, 20.0 %
- Armament: 326 tons, 3.3 %
- Armour Deck: 675 tons, 6.8 %
- Conning Tower: 86 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 1 507 tons, 15.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 598 tons, 36.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 260 tons, 12.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 230 tons, 2.3 %
- On freeboard deck: 230 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
14 227 lbs / 6 453 Kg = 15.0 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 44.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.42
Metacentric height 5.3 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 12.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.606
Length to Beam Ratio: 4.53 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 17.75 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 12.00 %, 23.62 ft / 7.20 m, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Aft deck: 44.00 %, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Quarter deck: 14.00 %, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Average freeboard: 19.87 ft / 6.06 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 62.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 120.3 %
Waterplane Area: 16 022 Square feet or 1 489 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 134 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 151 lbs/sq ft or 736 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 5.03
- Overall: 1.10
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Rochambeau, France Cuirassé de 2eme classe laid down 1862
Armoured Frigate (Broadside ironclad)
Displacement:
8 150 t light; 8 616 t standard; 10 022 t normal; 11 147 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(380.25 ft / 380.25 ft) x 72.67 ft x (22.21 / 24.21 ft)
(115.90 m / 115.90 m) x 22.15 m x (6.77 / 7.38 m)
Armament:
2 - 10.79" / 274 mm 18.0 cal guns - 442.65lbs / 200.78kg shells, 100 per gun
Muzzle loading guns in deck mounts, 1865 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
6 - 10.79" / 274 mm 18.0 cal guns - 442.65lbs / 200.78kg shells, 100 per gun
Muzzle loading guns in broadside mounts, 1865 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 hull mounts on upper deck- Limited use in heavy seas
12 - 5.45" / 139 mm 22.5 cal guns - 65.62lbs / 29.76kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1877 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 raised mounts
8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 2.43lbs / 1.10kg shells, 250 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1862 Model
8 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 4 348 lbs / 1 972 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.33" / 110 mm 209.97 ft / 64.00 m 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
Ends: 1.97" / 50 mm 72.18 ft / 22.00 m 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
98.10 ft / 29.90 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 4.33" / 110 mm 209.97 ft / 64.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 85 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.94" / 100 mm - -
2nd: 3.94" / 100 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 295 ihp / 5 442 Kw = 15.00 kts
Range 3 000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2 531 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
500 - 651
Cost:
£0.678 million / $2.712 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 219 tons, 2.2 %
- Guns: 219 tons, 2.2 %
Armour: 1 080 tons, 10.8 %
- Belts: 940 tons, 9.4 %
- Armament: 139 tons, 1.4 %
Machinery: 2 192 tons, 21.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 460 tons, 44.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 871 tons, 18.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 2.0 %
- On freeboard deck: 200 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
7 197 lbs / 3 265 Kg = 19.8 x 10.8 " / 274 mm shells or 1.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.80
Metacentric height 8.1 ft / 2.5 m
Roll period: 10.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 62 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.15
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.24
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, low quarterdeck ,
a ram bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.572 / 0.583
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.23 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.50 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 39 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 12.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Forward deck: 36.00 %, 17.06 ft / 5.20 m, 17.06 ft / 5.20 m
- Aft deck: 36.00 %, 17.06 ft / 5.20 m, 17.06 ft / 5.20 m
- Quarter deck: 16.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Average freeboard: 15.04 ft / 4.58 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127.9 %
Waterplane Area: 19 678 Square feet or 1 828 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 155 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 181 lbs/sq ft or 883 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.06
- Longitudinal: 1.62
- Overall: 1.10
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Cerbere, France Cuirassé garde cotes-RAM laid down 1865
Displacement:
4 220 t light; 4 406 t standard; 4 894 t normal; 5 284 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(272.31 ft / 262.47 ft) x 59.06 ft x (18.42 / 19.65 ft)
(83.00 m / 80.00 m) x 18.00 m x (5.61 / 5.99 m)
Armament:
4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 18.0 cal guns - 297.47lbs / 134.93kg shells, 100 per gun
Muzzle loading guns in Coles/Ericsson turret mounts, 1865 Model
2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, evenly spread
4 - 5.45" / 139 mm 22.0 cal guns - 64.63lbs / 29.32kg shells, 150 per gun
Muzzle loading guns in deck mounts, 1865 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 22.0 cal guns - 2.26lbs / 1.02kg shells, 200 per gun
Muzzle loading guns in deck mounts, 1865 Model
4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1 457 lbs / 661 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 147.64 ft / 45.00 m 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
Ends: 1.97" / 50 mm 59.06 ft / 18.00 m 4.59 ft / 1.40 m
55.77 ft / 17.00 m Unarmoured ends
Main Belt covers 87 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.09" / 180 mm 1.57" / 40 mm -
2nd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 1.18" / 30 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 7.09" / 180 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 1 shaft, 3 987 ihp / 2 974 Kw = 14.00 kts
Range 1 800nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 878 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
292 - 380
Cost:
£0.359 million / $1.435 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 169 tons, 3.4 %
- Guns: 169 tons, 3.4 %
Armour: 780 tons, 15.9 %
- Belts: 391 tons, 8.0 %
- Armament: 132 tons, 2.7 %
- Armour Deck: 213 tons, 4.3 %
- Conning Tower: 44 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 1 100 tons, 22.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 081 tons, 42.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 674 tons, 13.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 90 tons, 1.8 %
- On freeboard deck: 90 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
3 822 lbs / 1 734 Kg = 14.5 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.66
Metacentric height 5.3 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 10.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 89 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.20
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.58
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.607
Length to Beam Ratio: 4.44 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 16.20 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 10.00 %, 6.56 ft / 2.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Forward deck: 6.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Aft deck: 69.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Average freeboard: 9.91 ft / 3.02 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 73.1 %
Waterplane Area: 11 089 Square feet or 1 030 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 135 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 145 lbs/sq ft or 706 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.00
- Longitudinal: 2.68
- Overall: 1.10
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Here is the drawing of the 3rd class (with240mm guns) Battleship
CERBERE
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Jef
The SS3 report says the 9.45-inch guns are in 2 twin Coles/Ericsson turrets (A/Y) but the drawing seems to indicate 4 single open barbettes (A/Y and 2 beam barbettes).
I do like the drawing however.
QuoteThe SS3 report says the 9.45-inch guns are in 2 twin Coles/Ericsson turrets (A/Y) but the drawing seems to indicate 4 single open barbettes (A/Y and 2 beam barbettes).
Actualy, the 1865 3rd class BB CERBERE is between 4200t - 4700t with some variations...
I made the drawing of the 4400t type with 4M1x240
The SS3 posted is with T2x240 mlle 1865 drawing by the famous ingenior Dupuy de Lome.
Jef
Testing an Armored Gunboat...
Grenade, FRANCE Armored Gunboat laid down 1870
Displacement:
2 250 t light; 2 339 t standard; 2 798 t normal; 3 165 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(242.78 ft / 236.22 ft) x 45.93 ft x (15.04 / 16.70 ft)
(74.00 m / 72.00 m) x 14.00 m x (4.59 / 5.09 m)
Armament:
2 - 5.51" / 140 mm 22.0 cal guns - 63.12lbs / 28.63kg shells, 150 per gun
Muzzle loading guns in deck mounts, 1870 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 5.51" / 140 mm 22.0 cal guns - 63.12lbs / 28.63kg shells, 150 per gun
Muzzle loading guns in deck mounts, 1870 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 22.5 cal guns - 2.39lbs / 1.08kg shells, 250 per gun
Muzzle loading guns in deck mounts, 1870 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 388 lbs / 176 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.94" / 100 mm 167.32 ft / 51.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Ends: 1.97" / 50 mm 32.81 ft / 10.00 m 7.22 ft / 2.20 m
36.09 ft / 11.00 m Unarmoured ends
Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
2nd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 0.00" / 0 mm
Forecastle: 0.79" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 0.00" / 0 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 1.97" / 50 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 1 shaft, 3 623 ihp / 2 703 Kw = 15.00 kts
Range 3 000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 826 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
192 - 250
Cost:
£0.212 million / $0.849 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 28 tons, 1.0 %
- Guns: 28 tons, 1.0 %
Armour: 282 tons, 10.1 %
- Belts: 250 tons, 8.9 %
- Armament: 20 tons, 0.7 %
- Armour Deck: 4 tons, 0.1 %
- Conning Tower: 8 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 888 tons, 31.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 993 tons, 35.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 548 tons, 19.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 60 tons, 2.1 %
- On freeboard deck: 60 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2 199 lbs / 997 Kg = 37.5 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 0.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.88
Metacentric height 4.3 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 9.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 82 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.07
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.64
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle, rise aft of midbreak, low quarterdeck ,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.611
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.14 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 15.37 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 10.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Forward deck: 25.00 %, 9.19 ft / 2.80 m, 9.19 ft / 2.80 m
- Aft deck: 25.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Quarter deck: 40.00 %, 9.19 ft / 2.80 m, 9.19 ft / 2.80 m
- Average freeboard: 10.56 ft / 3.22 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 85.9 %
Waterplane Area: 7 762 Square feet or 721 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 127 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 89 lbs/sq ft or 436 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.00
- Longitudinal: 2.48
- Overall: 1.10
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
I start by the 1st & the older, a 3rd class BB - LD in 1861
An Ironclade with 4x240mm+4x140mm each side
2 ships in the class - Tolbiac & Bouvines (?)
3rd class BB, France 3rd class BB laid down 1861
Displacement:
5 176 t light; 5 448 t standard; 6 600 t normal; 7 521 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(272.31 ft / 262.47 ft) x 55.77 ft x (26.30 / 29.38 ft)
(83.00 m / 80.00 m) x 17.00 m x (8.02 / 8.95 m)
Armament:
8 - 9.45" / 240 mm 22.3 cal guns - 285.90lbs / 129.68kg shells, 80 per gun
Muzzle loading guns in deck mounts, 1861 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 - 5.51" / 140 mm 22.3 cal guns - 56.75lbs / 25.74kg shells, 150 per gun
Muzzle loading guns in deck mounts, 1861 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 22.5 cal guns - 2.16lbs / 0.98kg shells, 250 per gun
Muzzle loading guns in deck mounts, 1861 Model
4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 2 750 lbs / 1 247 kg
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 137.80 ft / 42.00 m 11.81 ft / 3.60 m
Ends: 1.97" / 50 mm 91.86 ft / 28.00 m 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
32.81 ft / 10.00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 3.94" / 100 mm 137.80 ft / 42.00 m 7.87 ft / 2.40 m
Main Belt covers 81 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
2nd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 0.00" / 0 mm
Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm Quarter deck: 0.00" / 0 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 3.94" / 100 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 1 shaft, 3 907 ihp / 2 915 Kw = 13.22 kts
Range 3 000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2 072 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
365 - 475
Cost:
£0.415 million / $1.659 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 189 tons, 2.9 %
- Guns: 189 tons, 2.9 %
Armour: 826 tons, 12.5 %
- Belts: 726 tons, 11.0 %
- Armament: 48 tons, 0.7 %
- Armour Deck: 22 tons, 0.3 %
- Conning Tower: 30 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 1 212 tons, 18.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 419 tons, 36.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 424 tons, 21.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 530 tons, 8.0 %
- Hull below water: 430 tons
- Hull above water: 100 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
4 958 lbs / 2 249 Kg = 20.8 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.67
Metacentric height 4.9 ft / 1.5 m
Roll period: 10.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.38
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle, rise aft of midbreak, low quarterdeck ,
a ram bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.612
Length to Beam Ratio: 4.71 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 16.20 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -45.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 15.00 %, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m
- Forward deck: 15.00 %, 8.53 ft / 2.60 m, 8.53 ft / 2.60 m
- Aft deck: 45.00 %, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m
- Quarter deck: 25.00 %, 8.53 ft / 2.60 m, 8.53 ft / 2.60 m
- Average freeboard: 12.86 ft / 3.92 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 76.2 %
Waterplane Area: 10 473 Square feet or 973 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 150 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 150 lbs/sq ft or 734 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 4.32
- Overall: 1.10
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
1865-1879 Plan
LD 1865
2x6300t-4x240mm+8x140-belt 6"& 2" - 15kts
6GBx1800t - 6x140 -15kts
...
LD 1872
2nd class Battleship -
9000t -8x274(deck mount)+6x140-15kts-belt 220
6600t - 8x240+8x140
...
LD 1876
9800t - 4x340+4x274+8x140 - Devastation class
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Quote from: Jefgte on September 26, 2011, 08:36:39 AM
1861-1869 Plan
LD 1861
2x6600t Ironclade with 8x240 & 8x140-13.2kts
LD 1862
Next are the 2nd class battleships, Ironclade Rochambeau (ex USS Dunderberg) & LaFayette
With the normal calculation they are now nearly 9000t...
LD 1863
4x2500t Armored Gunboats with 6x140 - 13.5kts - belt 2"
LD 1864
4x2500t Armored Gunboats with 6x140 - 13.5kts - belt 2"
LD 1865
3rd class Battleship
With 240mm guns - 15kts
LD 1866
3rd class Battleship
With 240mm guns - 15kts
Why such a focus on ships already obsolete when the game start?
its possible he is trying to do like me and show a history in his fleet. I supose your planing to laydown all your ships in 1879, thus giving yourself the largest most modern fleet possible?
Quote from: Tanthalas on September 26, 2011, 02:22:05 PM
its possible he is trying to do like me and show a history in his fleet.
The question was not addressed to you.
QuoteI supose your planing to laydown all your ships in 1879, thus giving yourself the largest most modern fleet possible?
And that silly statement is not worth to write even this much in reply.
QuoteWhy such a focus on ships already obsolete when the game start?
That's not a focus but the 1861-1879 SS.
If there is a war or colonial conquests in 1880 -81-82 ..., these old ships -1861-1869 could be useful in secondary actions -with perhaps modern guns (?)
They could be useful too to close Dover Strait & protect British & French coasts vs Viking incursions :) :) :)
Jef ;)
I have rework the 1860-70-75 fleet with 120 000t
Here is the actual board - some adjustements to come...
| Name | LD | Normal | Dimensions | Armament | Kts | | Protection | Classement |
| Terrible | 1865 | 4500 | 80x18 | 4x240+6x140+8x47 | 14.5kts | | B150 | 3rdBB |
| Tempète | 1865 | 4500 | 80x18 | 4x240+6x140+8x47 | 14.5kts | | B150 | 3rdBB |
| Tonnerre | 1865 | 4500 | 80x18 | 4x240+6x140+8x47 | 14.5kts | | B150 | 3rdBB |
| Triomphant | 1865 | 4500 | 80x18 | 4x240+6x140+8x47 | 14.5kts | | B150 | 3rdBB |
| Témeraire | 1865 | 4500 | 80x18 | 4x240+6x140+8x47 | 14.5kts | | B150 | 3rdBB |
| Tonnant | 1865 | 4500 | 80x18 | 4x240+6x140+8x47 | 14.5kts | | B150 | 3rdBB |
| Audacieux | 1865 | 1800 | | 4x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Ardent | 1865 | 1800 | | 4x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Aventurier | 1865 | 1800 | | 4x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Adroit | 1865 | 1800 | | 4x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| P1 | 1865 | 750 | | 2x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P2 | 1865 | 750 | | 2x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P3 | 1865 | 750 | | 2x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P4 | 1865 | 750 | | 2x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P5 | 1865 | 750 | | 2x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P6 | 1865 | 750 | | 2x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P7 | 1865 | 750 | | 2x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P8 | 1865 | 750 | | 2x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P9 | 1865 | 750 | | 2x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P10 | 1865 | 750 | | 2x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P11 | 1865 | 750 | | 2x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P12 | 1865 | 750 | | 2x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| TOTAL 1865 | 1865 | 43200t | | | | | | |
| Victorieuse | 1870 | 5600 | 78.6x14.8x7.37 | 6x240+6x140 | 14.5kts | | B150-BBte&Bks120 | 3rdBB |
| Vengeur | 1870 | 5600 | 78.6x14.8x7.37 | 6x240+6x140 | 14.5kts | | B150-BBte&Bks120 | 3rdBB |
| Infatigable | 1870 | 8000 | 100.7x19.8x7.8 | 8x274+6x140 | 14.5kts | | B350-BBte300-240-D45-60 | 2ndBB |
| Indomptable | 1870 | 8000 | 100.7x19.8x7.8 | 8x274+6x140 | 14.5kts | | B350-BBte300-240-D45-60 | 2ndBB |
| Furieux | 1870 | 1800 | | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Féroce | 1870 | 1800 | | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Fulminant | 1870 | 1800 | | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Farouche | 1870 | 1800 | | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Fonceur | 1870 | 1800 | | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Foudre | 1870 | 1800 | | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Foudroyant | 1870 | 1800 | | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Fougueux | 1870 | 1800 | | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| TOTAL 1870 | 1870 | 41600t | | | | | | |
| Wagram | 1875 | 10700 | 96x20x8.23 | 4x340+4x274+4x140+8x47 | 15kts | | B380-D60-BBte300 | 1stBB |
| Austerlitz | 1875 | 10700 | 96x20x8.23 | 4x340+4x274+4x140+8x47 | 15kts | | B380-D60-BBte300 | 1stBB |
| Valmy | 1875 | 6600 | | 8x240+8x140 (2x420+6x140) | 15kts | | B150 | 3rdBB |
| Fontenoy | 1875 | 6600 | | 8x240+8x140 (2x420+6x140) | 15kts | | B150 | 3rdBB |
| T1 | 1875 | 80 | | 1x47+1tt | 18kts | | 0 | TB |
| T2 | 1875 | 80 | | 1x47+1tt | 18kts | | 0 | TB |
| T3 | 1875 | 80 | | 1x47+1tt | 18kts | | 0 | TB |
| T4 | 1875 | 80 | | 1x47+1tt | 18kts | | 0 | TB |
| TOTAL 1875 | 1875 | 34920t | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | |
| | 119720t | 42 Warships | | | | | |
Much part of the normal displacements are coming from SS made for N4.
I must rework all SS of the board to finalise the list.
So, the first, the Terrible class of 6 x 3rd class BB is actualy 4700t with a Belt of 120mm , not 4500t... ??? ??? ???
Reduce the speed by 0.3kts ... Jef ??? ??? ???
SO when do we get to see the setup budget? ;)
Update
| Name | LD | Normal | Dimensions | Armament | Kts | | Protection | Classement |
| Terrible | 1865 | 4500 | 80x18x5.6 | 4x240+6x140+8x47 | 14kts | | B120 | 3rdBB |
| Tempète | 1865 | 4500 | 80x18x5.6 | 4x240+6x140+8x47 | 14kts | | B120 | 3rdBB |
| Tonnerre | 1865 | 4500 | 80x18x5.6 | 4x240+6x140+8x47 | 14kts | | B120 | 3rdBB |
| Triomphant | 1865 | 4500 | 80x18x5.6 | 4x240+6x140+8x47 | 14kts | | B120 | 3rdBB |
| Témeraire | 1865 | 4500 | 80x18x5.6 | 4x240+6x140+8x47 | 14kts | | B120 | 3rdBB |
| Tonnant | 1865 | 4500 | 80x18x5.6 | 4x240+6x140+8x47 | 14kts | | B120 | 3rdBB |
| Audacieux | 1865 | 1800 | 62x13x3.81 | 4x140 | 14kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Ardent | 1865 | 1800 | 62x13x3.81 | 4x140 | 14kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Aventurier | 1865 | 1800 | 62x13x3.81 | 4x140 | 14kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Adroit | 1865 | 1800 | 62x13x3.81 | 4x140 | 14kts | | B50 | AGB |
| P1 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P2 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P3 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P4 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P5 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P6 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P7 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P8 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P9 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P10 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P11 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P12 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| TOTAL 1865 | Tonnage | 42000 | | | | | | |
| Infatigable | 1870 | 8000 | 95x20x7.18 | 8x274+6x140 | 14.5kts | | B280-BBte250 | 2ndBB |
| Indomptable | 1870 | 8000 | 95x20x7.18 | 8x274+6x140 | 14.5kts | | B280-BBte250 | 2ndBB |
| Vengeur | 1870 | 5200 | 77x18x6.2 | 6x240+6x140+4x47 | 14.5kts | | B150-BBte&Bks100 | 3rdBB |
| Victorieuse | 1870 | 5200 | 77x18x6.2 | 6x240+6x140+4x47 | 14.5kts | | B150-BBte&Bks100 | 3rdBB |
| Furieux | 1870 | 1800 | 69x13x3.65 | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Féroce | 1870 | 1800 | 69x13x3.65 | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Fulminant | 1870 | 1800 | 69x13x3.65 | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Farouche | 1870 | 1800 | 69x13x3.65 | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Fonceur | 1870 | 1800 | 69x13x3.65 | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Foudre | 1870 | 1800 | 69x13x3.65 | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Foudroyant | 1870 | 1800 | 69x13x3.65 | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Fougueux | 1870 | 1800 | 69x13x3.65 | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Frondeur | 1870 | 1800 | 69x13x3.65 | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Flamboyant | 1870 | 1800 | 69x13x3.65 | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| TOTAL 1870 | Tonnage | 44400 | | | | | | |
| Austerlitz | 1875 | 9700 | 99x21x7.95 | 4x340+4x274+8x140+8x47 | 15kts | | B380-D60 | 1stBB |
| Wagram | 1875 | 9700 | 99x21x7.95 | 4x340+4x274+8x140+8x47 | 15kts | | B380-D60 | 1stBB |
| Valmy | 1875 | 6400 | 89x19x6.47 | 8x240+8x140 | 15kts | | B150 | 3rdBB |
| Fontenoy | 1875 | 6400 | 89x19x6.47 | 8x240+8x140 | 15kts | | B150 | 3rdBB |
| T1 | 1875 | 80 | 38x4.3x1.25 | 1x47+1ttx350 | 17.2kts | | 0 | TB |
| T2 | 1875 | 80 | 38x4.3x1.25 | 1x47+1ttx350 | 17.2kts | | 0 | TB |
| T3 | 1875 | 80 | 38x4.3x1.25 | 1x47+1ttx350 | 17.2kts | | 0 | TB |
| T4 | 1875 | 80 | 38x4.3x1.25 | 1x47+1ttx350 | 17.2kts | | 0 | TB |
| TOTAL 1875 | Tonnage | 32520 | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | |
| Tonnage | 118520 | 44 Warships | 2x9700 | | | | |
| | | | 2x8000 | | | | |
| | | | 2x6400 | | | | |
| | | | 2x5200 | | | | |
| | | | 6x4500 | | | | |
| | | | 14x1800 | | | | |
| | | | 12x750 | | | | |
| | | | 4x80 | | | | |
With the warships dimensions, Slipways could be dimensionned.
Budget 'll come after
120 000t & slipways list
Jef
OK, now the total is 120 000t
I have changed the 1875-6400t-Valmy class by 1875-3570t-Alma class.
I could start to work seriously on the budget.
| Name | LD | Normal | Dimensions | Armament | Kts | | Protection | Classement |
| Terrible | 1865 | 4500 | 80x18x5.6 | 4x240+6x140+8x47 | 14kts | | B120 | 3rdBB |
| Tempète | 1865 | 4500 | 80x18x5.6 | 4x240+6x140+8x47 | 14kts | | B120 | 3rdBB |
| Tonnerre | 1865 | 4500 | 80x18x5.6 | 4x240+6x140+8x47 | 14kts | | B120 | 3rdBB |
| Triomphant | 1865 | 4500 | 80x18x5.6 | 4x240+6x140+8x47 | 14kts | | B120 | 3rdBB |
| Témeraire | 1865 | 4500 | 80x18x5.6 | 4x240+6x140+8x47 | 14kts | | B120 | 3rdBB |
| Tonnant | 1865 | 4500 | 80x18x5.6 | 4x240+6x140+8x47 | 14kts | | B120 | 3rdBB |
| Audacieux | 1865 | 1800 | 62x13x3.81 | 4x140 | 14kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Ardent | 1865 | 1800 | 62x13x3.81 | 4x140 | 14kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Aventurier | 1865 | 1800 | 62x13x3.81 | 4x140 | 14kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Adroit | 1865 | 1800 | 62x13x3.81 | 4x140 | 14kts | | B50 | AGB |
| P1 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P2 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P3 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P4 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P5 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P6 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P7 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P8 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P9 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P10 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P11 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| P12 | 1865 | 650 | 48x10x2.46 | 4x100+2x47 | 12kts | | 0 | CGB |
| TOTAL 1865 | Tonnage | 42000 | | | | | | |
| Infatigable | 1870 | 8000 | 95x20x7.18 | 8x274+6x140 | 14.5kts | | B280-BBte250 | 2ndBB |
| Indomptable | 1870 | 8000 | 95x20x7.18 | 8x274+6x140 | 14.5kts | | B280-BBte250 | 2ndBB |
| Vengeur | 1870 | 5200 | 77x18x6.2 | 6x240+6x140+4x47 | 14.5kts | | B150-BBte&Bks100 | 3rdBB |
| Victorieuse | 1870 | 5200 | 77x18x6.2 | 6x240+6x140+4x47 | 14.5kts | | B150-BBte&Bks100 | 3rdBB |
| Furieux | 1870 | 1800 | 69x13x3.65 | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Féroce | 1870 | 1800 | 69x13x3.65 | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Fulminant | 1870 | 1800 | 69x13x3.65 | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Farouche | 1870 | 1800 | 69x13x3.65 | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Fonceur | 1870 | 1800 | 69x13x3.65 | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Foudre | 1870 | 1800 | 69x13x3.65 | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Foudroyant | 1870 | 1800 | 69x13x3.65 | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Fougueux | 1870 | 1800 | 69x13x3.65 | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Frondeur | 1870 | 1800 | 69x13x3.65 | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| Flamboyant | 1870 | 1800 | 69x13x3.65 | 6x140 | 14.5kts | | B50 | AGB |
| TOTAL 1870 | Tonnage | 44400 | | | | | | |
| Austerlitz | 1875 | 9700 | 99x21x7.95 | 4x340+4x274+8x140+8x47 | 15kts | | B380-D60 | 1stBB |
| Wagram | 1875 | 9700 | 99x21x7.95 | 4x340+4x274+8x140+8x47 | 15kts | | B380-D60 | 1stBB |
| Alma | 1875 | 3570 | 80x16.4x4.69 | 4x194+4x140+4x47 | 16kts | | B100 | Frégate |
| Solférino | 1875 | 3570 | 80x16.4x4.69 | 4x194+4x140+4x47 | 16kts | | B100 | Frégate |
| Malakoff | 1875 | 3570 | 80x16.4x4.69 | 4x194+4x140+4x47 | 16kts | | B100 | Frégate |
| Sébastopol | 1875 | 3570 | 80x16.4x4.69 | 4x194+4x140+4x47 | 16kts | | B100 | Frégate |
| T1 | 1875 | 80 | 38x4.3x1.25 | 1x47+1ttx350 | 17.2kts | | 0 | TB |
| T2 | 1875 | 80 | 38x4.3x1.25 | 1x47+1ttx350 | 17.2kts | | 0 | TB |
| T3 | 1875 | 80 | 38x4.3x1.25 | 1x47+1ttx350 | 17.2kts | | 0 | TB |
| T4 | 1875 | 80 | 38x4.3x1.25 | 1x47+1ttx350 | 17.2kts | | 0 | TB |
| TOTAL 1875 | Tonnage | 34000 | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | |
| Tonnage | 120000 | 46 Warships | 2x9700 | | | | |
| | | | 2x8000 | | | | |
| | | | 2x5200 | | | | |
| | | | 6x4500 | | | | |
| | | | 4x3570 | | | | |
| | | | 14x1800 | | | | |
| | | | 12x750 | | | | |
| | | | 4x80 | | | | |
CF1, France Cannonière Fluviale laid down 1878
Displacement:
79 t light; 96 t standard; 100 t normal; 103 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(91.86 ft / 91.86 ft) x 16.40 ft x (3.87 / 3.97 ft)
(28.00 m / 28.00 m) x 5.00 m x (1.18 / 1.21 m)
Armament:
2 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 22.3 cal guns - 24.91lbs / 11.30kg shells, 500 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1878 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 22.3 cal guns - 2.59lbs / 1.17kg shells, 400 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1878 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
4 - 0.30" / 7.7 mm 22.3 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1878 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 55 lbs / 25 kg
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
2nd: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
3rd: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 1 shaft, 54 ihp / 40 Kw = 8.00 kts
Range 1 000nm at 5.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 7 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
15 - 20
Cost:
£0.006 million / $0.023 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 4 tons, 4.4 %
- Guns: 4 tons, 4.4 %
Armour: 19 tons, 18.9 %
- Armament: 19 tons, 18.9 %
Machinery: 11 tons, 11.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 41 tons, 40.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 21 tons, 20.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 4 tons, 4.0 %
- On freeboard deck: 4 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
153 lbs / 69 Kg = 6.1 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.83
Metacentric height 0.9 ft / 0.3 m
Roll period: 7.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.14
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.10
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle,
a normal bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.603
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.60 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 9.58 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 38 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 10.00 %, 3.94 ft / 1.20 m, 3.94 ft / 1.20 m
- Forward deck: 20.00 %, 2.62 ft / 0.80 m, 2.62 ft / 0.80 m
- Aft deck: 40.00 %, 2.62 ft / 0.80 m, 2.62 ft / 0.80 m
- Quarter deck: 30.00 %, 2.62 ft / 0.80 m, 2.62 ft / 0.80 m
- Average freeboard: 2.76 ft / 0.84 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 65.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 35.9 %
Waterplane Area: 1 078 Square feet or 100 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 171 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 31 lbs/sq ft or 154 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.06
- Longitudinal: 1.50
- Overall: 1.10
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Extremely poor accommodation and workspace room
CF1 to CF20
Here is the early drawing of the Rochambeau class
This class, Rochambeau & Lafayette are the older warships of the Marine Nationale.
In 1880, with a medium battleship armement & the relatively light armor, they are classed as Second Class Battleships.
Note the early searchilght on the bridge & the multiple pipes added for the crew confort.
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The final drawing of The Rochambeau class.
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