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Title: Contest: Here is the cruiser and some characteristics.
Post by: damocles on June 24, 2010, 11:27:37 AM
(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9602/kmspatroclus.jpg)

Can you springsharp a 1920 design to fit the image?
Title: Re: Contest: Here is the cruiser and some characteristics.
Post by: maddox on June 24, 2010, 11:42:45 AM
It's possible. Forget armor, but it is possible.

QuotePatroclus, Dutch Tin can laid down 1920

Displacement:
   10.000 t light; 10.497 t standard; 11.302 t normal; 11.946 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   661,14 ft / 656,17 ft x 65,62 ft x 16,40 ft (normal load)
   201,51 m / 200,00 m x 20,00 m  x 5,00 m

Armament:
      12 - 8,27" / 210 mm guns (3x4 guns), 264,55lbs / 120,00kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      4 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm guns in single mounts, 12,87lbs / 5,84kg shells, 1920 Model
     Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
     on side, all aft, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      32 - 0,59" / 15,0 mm guns (16x2 guns), 0,10lbs / 0,05kg shells, 1920 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 3.229 lbs / 1.465 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   8 - 24,0" / 609,6 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1,75" / 44 mm   347,77 ft / 106,00 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 82% of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3,00" / 76 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm

   - Armour deck: 0,50" / 13 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 90.827 shp / 67.757 Kw = 32,00 kts
   Range 8.000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1.449 tons

Complement:
   547 - 712

Cost:
   £2,733 million / $10,933 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 431 tons, 3,8%
   Armour: 776 tons, 6,9%
      - Belts: 210 tons, 1,9%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 286 tons, 2,5%
      - Armour Deck: 281 tons, 2,5%
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,0%
   Machinery: 3.176 tons, 28,1%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5.318 tons, 47,1%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.302 tons, 11,5%
   Miscellaneous weights: 299 tons, 2,6%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9.688 lbs / 4.395 Kg = 34,3 x 8,3 " / 210 mm shells or 1,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
   Metacentric height 3,1 ft / 0,9 m
   Roll period: 15,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,74
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,03

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,560
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25,62 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      28,18 ft / 8,59 m
      - Forecastle (25%):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (22%):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Stern:      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   20,53 ft / 6,26 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 123,1%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 173,2%
   Waterplane Area: 30.333 Square feet or 2.818 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 119 lbs/sq ft or 583 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,99
      - Longitudinal: 1,07
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

250 ton FC
24 ton Torpedo's (NO reloads)
25 ton long range Marconi
Title: Re: Contest: Here is the cruiser and some characteristics.
Post by: Desertfox on June 24, 2010, 12:16:45 PM
Why the gazillion machine guns? NS likes these ships, Interceptor is still better...
Title: Re: Contest: Here is the cruiser and some characteristics.
Post by: TexanCowboy on June 24, 2010, 12:18:53 PM
I think 73 feet would prove to be the minimum for a 8'' quad to operate effectively, without turret cramping, such as in the Kirov class cruisers.

QuoteLady in the Negliee, Dutch Unarmoured Cruiser laid down 1920

Displacement:
   10,263 t light; 10,784 t standard; 11,576 t normal; 12,209 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   600.00 ft / 600.00 ft x 73.00 ft x 18.50 ft (normal load)
   182.88 m / 182.88 m x 22.25 m  x 5.64 m

Armament:
     12 - 8.27" / 210 mm guns (3x4 guns), 282.80lbs / 128.28kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
     4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
     32 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm guns (8x4 guns), 0.10lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 3,448 lbs / 1,564 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   8 - 24.0" / 609.6 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.00" / 76 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      3.00" / 76 mm

  - Armour deck: 0.50" / 13 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 95,123 shp / 70,962 Kw = 32.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,426 tons

Complement:
   557 - 725

Cost:
   £2.805 million / $11.222 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 431 tons, 3.7 %
   Armour: 650 tons, 5.6 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 380 tons, 3.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 270 tons, 2.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 3,326 tons, 28.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,555 tons, 48.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,313 tons, 11.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 2.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,451 lbs / 4,741 Kg = 37.0 x 8.3 " / 210 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
   Metacentric height 4.5 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 14.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.47
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.500
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.22 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29.00 ft / 8.84 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Mid (50 %):      23.00 ft / 7.01 m (20.00 ft / 6.10 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Stern:      20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Average freeboard:   21.98 ft / 6.70 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 124.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 178.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 29,183 Square feet or 2,711 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 129 lbs/sq ft or 631 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.54
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Title: Re: Contest: Here is the cruiser and some characteristics.
Post by: maddox on June 24, 2010, 12:32:06 PM
263 tons heavier, lighter armor,  exchanged steadyness for seakeeping...

Not a bad attempt either. it's not easy to put everything on the ship, and have anything resembling armor.

I'll stick to my 195's.
Title: Re: Contest: Here is the cruiser and some characteristics.
Post by: TexanCowboy on June 24, 2010, 12:33:38 PM
Oh, absolutely...you would have to be insane to consider building that...if you want a decent cruiser that size with the armour, you need about 13,000 tons.
Title: Re: Contest: Here is the cruiser and some characteristics.
Post by: TexanCowboy on June 24, 2010, 12:47:37 PM
I find this to be rather a better choice in terms of cruisers..... ;D

QuoteVulcan, Romania Light Cruiser laid down 1920

Displacement:
   8,215 t light; 8,606 t standard; 9,320 t normal; 9,890 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   545.00 ft / 545.00 ft x 60.00 ft x 21.00 ft (normal load)
   166.12 m / 166.12 m x 18.29 m  x 6.40 m

Armament:
      16 - 5.98" / 152 mm guns (4x4 guns), 106.92lbs / 48.50kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.39lbs / 3.81kg shells, 1920 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.17lbs / 1.44kg shells, 1920 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 1,803 lbs / 818 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.25" / 108 mm   360.00 ft / 109.73 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 102 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      4.00" / 102 mm
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm         -         1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 64,469 shp / 48,094 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,285 tons

Complement:
   473 - 616

Cost:
   £1.873 million / $7.492 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 225 tons, 2.4 %
   Armour: 1,974 tons, 21.2 %
      - Belts: 767 tons, 8.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 370 tons, 4.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 788 tons, 8.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 48 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 2,254 tons, 24.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,481 tons, 37.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,105 tons, 11.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 280 tons, 3.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,064 lbs / 4,565 Kg = 94.1 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
   Metacentric height 3.1 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 14.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.41
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.02

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.475
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.08 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.35 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.68 ft / 7.83 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   16.34 ft / 4.98 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.34 ft / 4.98 m
      - Quarterdeck (30 %):   16.34 ft / 4.98 m
      - Stern:      16.34 ft / 4.98 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.09 ft / 5.21 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 116.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 21,306 Square feet or 1,979 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 104 lbs/sq ft or 508 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.33
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

Title: Re: Contest: Here is the cruiser and some characteristics.
Post by: Logi on June 24, 2010, 01:00:41 PM
QuoteKMS Patroclus, Dutch Overengineered Ship laid down 1920

Displacement:
   10,000 t light; 10,417 t standard; 11,204 t normal; 11,834 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   640.00 ft / 640.00 ft x 68.00 ft x 18.00 ft (normal load)
   195.07 m / 195.07 m x 20.73 m  x 5.49 m

Armament:
      12 - 8.27" / 210 mm guns (3x4 guns), 282.57lbs / 128.17kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1920 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all aft
      32 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm guns (8x4 guns), 0.10lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1920 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 3,446 lbs / 1,563 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   8 - 24.0" / 610 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.50" / 64 mm   506.00 ft / 154.23 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 122 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      2.00" / 51 mm

   - Armour deck: 0.50" / 13 mm, Conning tower: 3.00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 88,983 shp / 66,381 Kw = 32.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,417 tons

Complement:
   543 - 707

Cost:
   £2.712 million / $10.848 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 431 tons, 3.8 %
   Armour: 924 tons, 8.2 %
      - Belts: 411 tons, 3.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 213 tons, 1.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 268 tons, 2.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 32 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 3,111 tons, 27.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,235 tons, 46.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,204 tons, 10.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 299 tons, 2.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9,555 lbs / 4,334 Kg = 33.8 x 8.3 " / 210 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 15.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.67
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.501
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.41 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25.30 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Mid (50 %):      19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Stern:      18.60 ft / 5.67 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.05 ft / 5.81 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 121.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 161.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 29,012 Square feet or 2,695 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 124 lbs/sq ft or 604 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.14
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Title: Re: Contest: Here is the cruiser and some characteristics.
Post by: Guinness on June 24, 2010, 01:18:27 PM
Just a curious question here: do the quads actually benefit the design here? How does the 3x4 concept compare to (say) 4 triples? 6 twins would likely present crowding issues, I suspect.
Title: Re: Contest: Here is the cruiser and some characteristics.
Post by: damocles on June 24, 2010, 02:14:24 PM
My solution.

KMS Patriclus, Hoilland Project 323 laid down 1920

Displacement:
   12,299 t light; 12,863 t standard; 13,748 t normal; 14,455 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   650.00 ft / 650.00 ft x 75.00 ft x 21.00 ft (normal load)
   198.12 m / 198.12 m x 22.86 m  x 6.40 m

Armament:
     12 - 8.27" / 210 mm guns (3x4 guns), 282.57lbs / 128.17kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
     4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, all aft
     32 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm guns (8x4 guns), 0.10lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 3,446 lbs / 1,563 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   8 - 24.0" / 610 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.91" / 150 mm   389.40 ft / 118.69 m   10.40 ft / 3.17 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.91" / 150 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      1.97" / 50 mm
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm   0.39" / 10 mm            -
   3rd:   0.39" / 10 mm   0.39" / 10 mm            -

  - Armour deck: 2.95" / 75 mm, Conning tower: 4.92" / 125 mm

Machinery:
   Diesel Internal combustion generators,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 77,113 shp / 57,526 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,592 tons

Complement:
   634 - 825

Cost:
   £2.765 million / $11.059 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 431 tons, 3.1 %
   Armour: 3,121 tons, 22.7 %
      - Belts: 1,021 tons, 7.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 311 tons, 2.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,728 tons, 12.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 61 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 2,696 tons, 19.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,551 tons, 40.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,448 tons, 10.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 3.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16,131 lbs / 7,317 Kg = 57.1 x 8.3 " / 210 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
   Metacentric height 3.8 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 16.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 81 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.09

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.470
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.67 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25.50 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 74
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Stern:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.93 ft / 5.16 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 132.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 31,625 Square feet or 2,938 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 125 lbs/sq ft or 609 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.00
      - Longitudinal: 1.05
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

500 tons
250 tons fire control
 25 tons radio
 25 tons navigation radar
 25 tons acoustics
144 tons  torpedoes (4 reloads)

Inclined armor belt.

Quote from: Guinness on June 24, 2010, 01:18:27 PM
Just a curious question here: do the quads actually benefit the design here? How does the 3x4 concept compare to (say) 4 triples? 6 twins would likely present crowding issues, I suspect.

Deck space. SS takes it into account I found. Cram those guns in on a short hull if you are short of long docks  

Quote from: Desertfox on June 24, 2010, 12:16:45 PM
Why the gazillion machine guns? NS likes these ships, Interceptor is still better...

Well, we shall see. I have one cruiser class that is a near match, This one us another such exercise.  
Title: Re: Contest: Here is the cruiser and some characteristics.
Post by: Nobody on June 24, 2010, 02:24:59 PM
You have no engine, you might want to correct that.
Title: Re: Contest: Here is the cruiser and some characteristics.
Post by: Logi on June 24, 2010, 03:04:37 PM
Quote from: damocles on June 24, 2010, 02:14:24 PM
My solution.

You broke your own specification of 10,000 tons :D
Title: Re: Contest: Here is the cruiser and some characteristics.
Post by: TexanCowboy on June 24, 2010, 03:31:13 PM
And got a lower speed than 32 knots.  ;D
Title: Re: Contest: Here is the cruiser and some characteristics.
Post by: damocles on June 24, 2010, 03:43:35 PM
Now you see why?
Title: Re: Contest: Here is the cruiser and some characteristics.
Post by: Logi on June 24, 2010, 04:03:54 PM
Quote from: damocles on June 24, 2010, 03:43:35 PM
Now you see why?

Yes, I also see your design has 0.470 B/C. I'm a bit iffy, then, on the possibility of mounting three quads on such a fine hull form.
Title: Re: Contest: Here is the cruiser and some characteristics.
Post by: Kaiser Kirk on June 24, 2010, 11:32:14 PM
Well my efforts don't come up with something I would consider.  I think Guinness is correct and the beam needs to be out around 23m, if not slightly more.

The USN triples were around 20m. I tried a 4xT3 design which at least has some light armor vs DDs, but only by sacrificing seakeeping, which makes the dash speed less useful.