QuotePatroclus, Dutch Tin can laid down 1920
Displacement:
10.000 t light; 10.497 t standard; 11.302 t normal; 11.946 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
661,14 ft / 656,17 ft x 65,62 ft x 16,40 ft (normal load)
201,51 m / 200,00 m x 20,00 m x 5,00 m
Armament:
12 - 8,27" / 210 mm guns (3x4 guns), 264,55lbs / 120,00kg shells, 1920 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
4 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm guns in single mounts, 12,87lbs / 5,84kg shells, 1920 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, all aft, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
32 - 0,59" / 15,0 mm guns (16x2 guns), 0,10lbs / 0,05kg shells, 1920 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3.229 lbs / 1.465 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
8 - 24,0" / 609,6 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 1,75" / 44 mm 347,77 ft / 106,00 m 8,00 ft / 2,44 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 82% of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3,00" / 76 mm 1,00" / 25 mm 3,00" / 76 mm
- Armour deck: 0,50" / 13 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 90.827 shp / 67.757 Kw = 32,00 kts
Range 8.000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1.449 tons
Complement:
547 - 712
Cost:
£2,733 million / $10,933 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 431 tons, 3,8%
Armour: 776 tons, 6,9%
- Belts: 210 tons, 1,9%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armament: 286 tons, 2,5%
- Armour Deck: 281 tons, 2,5%
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,0%
Machinery: 3.176 tons, 28,1%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5.318 tons, 47,1%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.302 tons, 11,5%
Miscellaneous weights: 299 tons, 2,6%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
9.688 lbs / 4.395 Kg = 34,3 x 8,3 " / 210 mm shells or 1,3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
Metacentric height 3,1 ft / 0,9 m
Roll period: 15,7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,74
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,03
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,560
Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25,62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28,18 ft / 8,59 m
- Forecastle (25%): 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Mid (50%): 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Quarterdeck (22%): 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Stern: 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Average freeboard: 20,53 ft / 6,26 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 123,1%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 173,2%
Waterplane Area: 30.333 Square feet or 2.818 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 119 lbs/sq ft or 583 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,99
- Longitudinal: 1,07
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
250 ton FC
24 ton Torpedo's (NO reloads)
25 ton long range Marconi
QuoteLady in the Negliee, Dutch Unarmoured Cruiser laid down 1920
Displacement:
10,263 t light; 10,784 t standard; 11,576 t normal; 12,209 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
600.00 ft / 600.00 ft x 73.00 ft x 18.50 ft (normal load)
182.88 m / 182.88 m x 22.25 m x 5.64 m
Armament:
12 - 8.27" / 210 mm guns (3x4 guns), 282.80lbs / 128.28kg shells, 1920 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1920 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
32 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm guns (8x4 guns), 0.10lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1920 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3,448 lbs / 1,564 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
8 - 24.0" / 609.6 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 3.00" / 76 mm 3.00" / 76 mm
- Armour deck: 0.50" / 13 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 95,123 shp / 70,962 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,426 tons
Complement:
557 - 725
Cost:
£2.805 million / $11.222 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 431 tons, 3.7 %
Armour: 650 tons, 5.6 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 380 tons, 3.3 %
- Armour Deck: 270 tons, 2.3 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 3,326 tons, 28.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,555 tons, 48.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,313 tons, 11.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 2.6 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
10,451 lbs / 4,741 Kg = 37.0 x 8.3 " / 210 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
Metacentric height 4.5 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 14.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.47
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.00
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.22 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24.49 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29.00 ft / 8.84 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Mid (50 %): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m (20.00 ft / 6.10 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Stern: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Average freeboard: 21.98 ft / 6.70 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 124.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 178.3 %
Waterplane Area: 29,183 Square feet or 2,711 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 129 lbs/sq ft or 631 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.54
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
QuoteVulcan, Romania Light Cruiser laid down 1920
Displacement:
8,215 t light; 8,606 t standard; 9,320 t normal; 9,890 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
545.00 ft / 545.00 ft x 60.00 ft x 21.00 ft (normal load)
166.12 m / 166.12 m x 18.29 m x 6.40 m
Armament:
16 - 5.98" / 152 mm guns (4x4 guns), 106.92lbs / 48.50kg shells, 1920 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.39lbs / 3.81kg shells, 1920 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.17lbs / 1.44kg shells, 1920 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,803 lbs / 818 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.25" / 108 mm 360.00 ft / 109.73 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 102 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 5.00" / 127 mm 2.00" / 51 mm 4.00" / 102 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm - 1.00" / 25 mm
- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 5.00" / 127 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 64,469 shp / 48,094 Kw = 30.00 kts
Range 6,000nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,285 tons
Complement:
473 - 616
Cost:
£1.873 million / $7.492 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 225 tons, 2.4 %
Armour: 1,974 tons, 21.2 %
- Belts: 767 tons, 8.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 370 tons, 4.0 %
- Armour Deck: 788 tons, 8.5 %
- Conning Tower: 48 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 2,254 tons, 24.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,481 tons, 37.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,105 tons, 11.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 280 tons, 3.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
10,064 lbs / 4,565 Kg = 94.1 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
Metacentric height 3.1 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 14.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.41
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.02
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.475
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.08 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.35 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25.68 ft / 7.83 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 16.34 ft / 4.98 m
- Mid (50 %): 16.34 ft / 4.98 m
- Quarterdeck (30 %): 16.34 ft / 4.98 m
- Stern: 16.34 ft / 4.98 m
- Average freeboard: 17.09 ft / 5.21 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 116.6 %
Waterplane Area: 21,306 Square feet or 1,979 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 104 lbs/sq ft or 508 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.33
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
QuoteKMS Patroclus, Dutch Overengineered Ship laid down 1920
Displacement:
10,000 t light; 10,417 t standard; 11,204 t normal; 11,834 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
640.00 ft / 640.00 ft x 68.00 ft x 18.00 ft (normal load)
195.07 m / 195.07 m x 20.73 m x 5.49 m
Armament:
12 - 8.27" / 210 mm guns (3x4 guns), 282.57lbs / 128.17kg shells, 1920 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1920 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, all aft
32 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm guns (8x4 guns), 0.10lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1920 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 3,446 lbs / 1,563 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100
8 - 24.0" / 610 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2.50" / 64 mm 506.00 ft / 154.23 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 122 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
- Armour deck: 0.50" / 13 mm, Conning tower: 3.00" / 76 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 88,983 shp / 66,381 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,417 tons
Complement:
543 - 707
Cost:
£2.712 million / $10.848 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 431 tons, 3.8 %
Armour: 924 tons, 8.2 %
- Belts: 411 tons, 3.7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 213 tons, 1.9 %
- Armour Deck: 268 tons, 2.4 %
- Conning Tower: 32 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 3,111 tons, 27.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,235 tons, 46.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,204 tons, 10.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 299 tons, 2.7 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
9,555 lbs / 4,334 Kg = 33.8 x 8.3 " / 210 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 15.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.67
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.01
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.501
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.41 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25.30 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 19.00 ft / 5.79 m
- Mid (50 %): 19.00 ft / 5.79 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 19.00 ft / 5.79 m
- Stern: 18.60 ft / 5.67 m
- Average freeboard: 19.05 ft / 5.81 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 121.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 161.3 %
Waterplane Area: 29,012 Square feet or 2,695 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 124 lbs/sq ft or 604 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.14
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Quote from: Guinness on June 24, 2010, 01:18:27 PM
Just a curious question here: do the quads actually benefit the design here? How does the 3x4 concept compare to (say) 4 triples? 6 twins would likely present crowding issues, I suspect.
Quote from: Desertfox on June 24, 2010, 12:16:45 PM
Why the gazillion machine guns? NS likes these ships, Interceptor is still better...
Quote from: damocles on June 24, 2010, 02:14:24 PM
My solution.
Quote from: damocles on June 24, 2010, 03:43:35 PM
Now you see why?