I'm not sure what time frame exactly, but lets get this started.
Invitees include:
Kingdom of Italia
Kingdom of (New) Zion
Republic of Orange
Republic of (New) Switzerland
Neutral Observers invited include:
Republic of France
Confederate States of America
Empire of Japan
East Sea Confederation
Republic of Gran Columbia
Also Present:
Deutsche Reich Brandenburg
Please post attendees and tomorrow afternoon (EST app. 1800hrs) I'll post the opening greeting from DKB to those attending.
His Royal Highness Prince Marcus Aquila Camila General Imperial Army Staff - Will be representing the Empire in this matter.
In addition I believe France should be present as an Observer as they too share a border with New Zion
Glorious France sends Admiral Geon as observer.
Lieutenant Commander Hans Brinks and Ambassador to New Zion Thomas Solomon will represent New Switzerland until the official representative, one Alex Rousseau, arrives.
For New Zion comes Foreign Minister Brian Schwartz
The Esc is sending Felix Djerzinsky as an observer
HMG of Holland notes the Conference and requests through third parties to the RKB to send an "observer".
The Confederacy will be sending former President Roosevelt.
Quote from: damocles on May 26, 2010, 04:55:45 AM
HMG of Holland notes the Conference and requests through third parties to the RKB to send an "observer".
Brandenburg replies via intermediaries that Holland has no holdings in the area of concern due to their sale of Kongo and kindly asks them to sod/bugger/insert derogatory statement off.
As one of those Intermediaries I erase the Derogatory Terms and insert nice Diplomatic Terms that imply the same but without being quite so inflamatory.
Clearly, there is no room for a Dutch Treat in the DKB's conference plans. :P
The ambassador to France, Vincent Delalle as the one already involved in the matter and in touch with the Italians will be charge of leading the Orange delegation. He will arrive directly form France together with Admiral Geon.
He will be joined by the minister for foreign affairs, Christiaan Smuts and a few officers specialized in long distance communication.
I hope Ambassador Delalle has a good constitution, French ships ain't dry...
Romania will be detaching Minister Mitzler....And remember how much credibility Romania lost from him last time?
Oh... non-invited powers can watch?
The Republic of China will be sending Ambassador Fei Fung as observer.
Quote from: Logi on May 26, 2010, 06:44:51 PM
Oh... non-invited powers can watch?
The Republic of China will be sending Ambassador Fei Fung as observer.
No I think some just lack reading comprehension sadly. See: http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=4983.msg59598#msg59598
Gran Colombia is represented by its ambassador to Orange, Sr. Pascual Serrano.
Yea, that's what I thought. Thanks for telling me.
Quote from: Guinness on May 26, 2010, 06:55:33 PM
Quote from: Logi on May 26, 2010, 06:44:51 PM
Oh... non-invited powers can watch?
The Republic of China will be sending Ambassador Fei Fung as observer.
No I think some just lack reading comprehension sadly. See: http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=4983.msg59598#msg59598
Doesn't mean someone can't come.
Actually it does. Invited guests only. Others will be escorted to the nearest hotel and secured tickets on the next steamer out. There are too many nations here who wish ill towards each other. The probability of someone trying something underhanded is MASSIVE. Having unneeded persons just places too many strains on security and increases the likelihood of something going wrong.
At least in the case of Rumania you didn't get the "Pound sand" response the Dutch got. ;)
June 19, 1919
Master Dining Hall
Karimjee Hall
Dar-es-Salaam, Deutsche Ostafrika
Heinrich Albert Schnee, Governor of Deutsche Ostafrika: "Greetings honorable guests. Welcome to the Jewel of Deutsche Ostafrika, Dar-es-Salaam. We are gathered here to discuss the current situation relating to claims by the Kingdom of Italia in relation to the Kingdom of Zion and their interpretation of a treaty that was signed in this very hall not but just 4 years ago. May our discussions be meaningful and honest. Gentleman, you have the floor."
Roosevelt, tapped by the current President as something of an 'Ambassador at Large' due to his knowledge of the agreement, his keen interest in naval technology and his reputation as an honorable (if occasionally abrasive) man looks as anxious as if he had been told to skin a live boar with a knapped flint knife. The tension in the air is not just palpable, it seemingly generates a pressure of it's own beyond that of the atmosphere. Several of the most antagonistic groupings of nations in the world are represented here... a lot of ill will crammed into such a small place.
"This is the kind of place where disasters are far more likely than miracles" Teddy thinks.
Prince Marcus Aquila Camila wearing the Uniform of an Italian Army General looks at the other guests and slowly rises to speak.
Gentlemen, Honored Guests, The Empire came to this Conference in a spirit of cooperation to attempt to find a peaceful solution to what is otherwise a situation fraught with peril. The Empire seeks peace in this region because it is so very important to the economy of the Empire! New Zion has a history of hate and distrust towards the Empire. And Since 1904 when a former Swiss Army officer became King of New Zion through the Assassination of that nations King the nation of New Zion has been a virtual puppet of the New Swiss Republic!!
Despite claims made by many here doubting the claims the Empire put forth concerning the Empire stated Casus for our war with New Zion all I can say is that the Evidence linking the attack in Rome against the gathered Heads of State of the Habsburg Empire, the Iberian Empire and the Italia Empire and the murder of the Pope exists. We will not talk about evidence necessary to convict a person in a court of law. The reason we do not talk of the rule of law is that relations between nations are not ruled by laws? When a nation is threatened or attacked it has the right to defend itself. And if the attacker is a cowardly Assassin sent to protect the identity of the attacker still the attacked nation has a right to defend itself!
Now, we return to what I said earlier the Empire came here in the Spirit of Cooperation, we activated no ships, only responded to any increases in the state of readiness among the troops of New Zion? But I have received reports of New Swiss ships taking up positions just 500 Nautical Miles from the Imperial Province of Somalia. The New Swiss are prepositioning ships and they are using this conference to do so. The Empire will not ideally standby and be attacked yet again by New Swiss or their Vassals! The Empire is being forced to respond and as of a week ago all Imperial Forces in East Africa have been put on War Time Alert.
Perhaps we should not have excluded the Romania Representative because evidently the port the New Swiss are using was belongs to the Romanians, leased from the Sultan of Oman who is allied with the Orange Republic ?? The Empire has dispatched Duke Augistino to Constanta to seek an explanation from Empress Flowranis for the Swiss use of one of their Leased Ports?
In Conclusion Gentlemen the Empire will eagerly await your responses!
Rousseau still seated speaks up:
"New Switzerland is very dismayed at the position Italy has presented. We have just started and you are trowing accusations around already? I thought you came here to find a peaceful solution. Maybe I thought wrong.
I will not speak about Zionite history as that is a topic best left to my friend here from New Zion. But I do seem to recall that Eritrea was not just gifted to Italy. Am I right? And that was before there even was a New Zion.
As for the alleged attack, what evidence is there? How can we know that it was not just fabricated as an excuse for war?
Did we come here to discuss anything new or just old stuff recycled again, cause Italy feels like invading nations once again? Can we get on to the meat of why we are all here?
So we relocated some ships to a Swiss base in the Indian Ocean. Last I checked that was not a crime. What's next Eskimos complaining about a battleship in Alaska? With Italy making threatening noises we thought best to send a few ships to keep an eye out and make sure the Italians don't try anything funny against the Swiss. I am pretty sure that you have already received intel on exactly which and how many ships we redeployed. And unless the Italian Fleet is much weaker than we think, you should not be afraid of them one bit. A pre-Arcadia and some destroyers an invasion force does not make. Oh and don't bother asking the Romanians for clarification, the lease on the port was transferred to us by them."
*Administrative interlude*: Doesn't this thread belong in News? Moving it there...
* A second administrative interlude *:
Do we expect there is press coverage of the conference?
OOC. Press, not from France in this case. Admiral Geon and Monsieur Grange kept the pressies out .
On the other side, after the Italians and New Swiss had their say, Admiral Geon gives a hand signal and one of the aids standing by gets instructions.
A few hours later, an uncoded message reaches Paris.
"Arabic Sea troubles confirmed by all parties. Stop
Urge activating military assets of North Africa-Suez Djibouti Island Ceylon. Stop
Geon, stop"
Paris, Premier Galpoux's office.
Merde, merde merde. I took office, and I got war. I'm finaly looking towards my last year of office, and I get another war.
Denise,
Get Lebrun and Capet back Stat. Smooth out the diplomatic situation , claim urgency.
I don't care how, but I want both back yesterday. And call Monsieur Grange.
Euhm, Premier, Monsieur Grange just arrived, he claimed that you will summon him...
Send him in. We have lots to discus.
*Prince Marcus Aquila Camila leans back in his chair and listens to the speach given by New Swiss representative. He scribbles a note on his note pad and shows it to one of his Military aides. He simply smiles as the New Swiss representative finishes and seems to be waiting on who will speak next?*
"Good morning. On behalf of President Alizandro, I thank the government of the Deutsch Kaiserreich Brandenburg for hosting this conference.
"Not so long ago, my government worked with others to bring about a delicate peace in East Africa, following the eruption of war between Italia and New Zion and Orange. Implementation of the peace treaty has not gone as smoothly as might have been desired, hence our presence here again today.
"Given Gran Colombia's heightened interest in East Africa, we are anxious to see the existing friction between Italy and New Zion and New Switzerland resolved through diplomatic means. I have a broad mandate to work with these governments, and those of other powers, to accomplish this. It is my hope that, through hard work and dedication to peace, that a renewed and lasting peace in East Africa will be the result of the conference.
"Conversely: should this conference fail, Gran Colombia will wash its hands of the matter. There will be no further diplomatic interventions on our part. We will step aside and let you settle your issues with bullets and bombs until one of you begs the other for terms. We will secure our waters, our borders, and our rights - with whatever level of force necessary - and watch you grind each other down.
"Thank you."
Ambassador Delalle rose his voice: "Gentleman*, we are not here to discuss the the events from four years ago - they are history," and adding much quieter "though everyone in this room seem to know a different version of what happened." he continued aloud: "I therefore propose that we first decide exactly, what we have to or want to discuss here, to ensure the peace in the region we all want." - This sentence is accompanied by a doubtful look from minister Smuts towards the New Swiss delegation. - "Otherwise I fear, that we might not get to any conclusion at all."
* assuming there are no women present at the table
Teddy is still taking notes, comparing them to some notes from his aides and generally waiting for one side or another to make a clear case based on current events.
He knows that New Zion has been receiving arms from the Swiss, and that they are legally obligated not to. He knows that they are receiving military training from the Swiss, and that they are legally obligated not to. He knows that they are deliberately antagonizing Italy by doing so, and that they are legally obligated not to. What he wants, however, is for someone to actually come out and say that.
*Prince Marcus Aquila looks out at those gathered and when no one else rises to speak he stands to speak again*
Ambassador Serrano and Ambassador Delalle both have very valid points. The Empire is willing to concede the increased sensitivity of the Gran Columbia to events in East Africa. In addition the Representative from the Republic of Orange is correct In that we can argue about the past or we can try to work on the possibility of peace in the future.
To that end let us get to the meat of this matter. The Kingdom of New Zion signed a treaty to end a war with the Empire of Italia. The Empire feels that the Kingdom of New Zion is not fulfilling its obligations under that treaty. In effect New Zion is arming with foreign weapons and foreign advisors and with imported technology. The Kingdom of New Zion is in noncompliance with the majority of the terms of that treaty and now the New Swiss Republic has offered an alliance to the Kingdom of New Zion.
The Empire would suggest that we hear from those nations who were chosen to monitor a change in government by the Kingdom of New Zion and see what they have to say on the matter??
*Prince Marcus Aquila retakes his seat and looks patiently to the representatives from the CSA, ESC, and Japan.*
Teddy stands, and with his usual 'all or nothing' attitude, launches into his statement:
"According to Article 5 of the Dar-es--Salaam Agreement "Upon appointment or election of a new government, New Zion shall declare itself to be constitutionally neutral, and shall enshrine such policy in a national constitution. New Zion shall not enter into military alliance or other cooperative military agreements, nor sell or lease lands, equipment or materials to third parties, nor allow basing of third party military forces within its borders." Yet today, we stand here in a New Zion who is quietly and subtly casting aside this fundamental point of the agreement and using New Swiss weapons and New Swiss military advisers to rebuild their military.
After the events earlier recounted by the Honorables of the delegation from Italia, there can be little doubt that Italia views this as a breech of treaty on the part of New Zion- that they are entering into a binding military agreement with the Swiss. The Confederate States of America agree with the government of Italia. Though there be no hard currency changing hands during the course of these agreements, how often do allies agree to aid each other for ''due considerations"- essentially meaning that a favor is owed at a later time?
No, we must treat this case as exactly what it is- a covert rearmament on the part of the Zionites, and an attempt by the Swiss to destabilize the delicate balance of the peace in Africa."
Tedy takes his seat, and awaits the remaining delegates.
Admiral Geon calls in another aid, and after a few wispered words, the young man dissappears.
A bit later, most representatives recieve a note, except the New Swiss and Zionites.
(who of course get theirs trough other means, such information has a value, and a certain clerk who copied the note will have a few "richter" months now) .
QuoteIt stands reasoning that New Swiss has more motives. Is it coïncidence that a short time after Iberia and DKB clean out a pirates nest at Soccotra, A NS flottila appears close by, at the Island of Masirah nominaly held by the fickle Romanians, leased from an OR protectorate?
For OOC reasons, the position given by Romania when asked about Masahri and the sub-lease was that it was a act of the corrupt King Carol.
OOC Mods, can I speak for New Zion?
QuoteIt stands reasoning that New Swiss has more motives. Is it coïncidence that a short time after Iberia and DKB clean out a pirates nest at Soccotra, A NS flottila appears close by, at the Island of Masirah nominaly held by the fickle Romanians, leased from an OR protectorate?
%^#$#$%$ miketr!!! Why did you have to do that story at just that time? WHY!!?!!?! That was one very unfortunate coincidence.
IC NS "In reply to the Italians, we do not know of this alliance you speak of. New Switzerland has not offered New Zion any form of alliance or cooperative agreement.
In reply to the Confederate charges, would the Confederates care to elaborate how Swiss actions have impacted Article 5 of the Dar-es-salaam agreement? New Switzerland has not entered into any sort of military alliance of cooperative military agreement with New Zion, New Switzerland has not bought or leased lands from New Zion, New Switzerland has not based military forces within Zionite borders. Of course New Zion might have breached the article with some other nation, but if that is the case why bring in New Switzerland.
Yes New Zion bought Swiss weapons. Is that a breach of the Dar-es-salaam Treaty? There is nothing in the Treaty that forbids the purchase of foreign weapons by New Zion. Do you expect a nation that just suffered unwarranted aggression to not try to defend itself?
Yes there are Swiss advisers in the Zionite military. Their numbers are very limited, and they were there before, during, and after the war. No mention was made of them in the Treaty, and their numbers have not increased since. If their presence there was a problem, why where they not brought up during the Peace Talks a long time ago?
As all of you know, New Switzerland sells weapons worldwide, Swiss advisers work worldwide, even a few of you sitting here have been recipients of such services. So is adding one more client and making some money, such a crime?"
Behind the scene, Special Agent Jack Bauer appears. But he isn't there for the entertainment value. He has a job to do. One that will affect the Empire's future.
He better not try anything funny. He's up against these guys...
(http://img.listal.com/image/320100/500full-3rd-rock-from-the-sun-photo.jpg)
;D
Well, Mr.T and Chuck Norris are in backup... ;D
(http://lawalker.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/jack-bauer1.jpg)
Looking at that picture, I can interpret it in two different ways. :)
"It should be noted that the selected commission was there to oversee the selection of a new New Zion government, not to select the new New Zion government nor judge whether the newly selected New Zion government is a right one or a wrong one. We were not given any powers to take any actions nor was that apparently expected of us by those who wrote the treaty, otherwise it would have been indicated.
"The Swiss representative is right. There is no indication that Article 5 of the Dar-es-Salaam Agreement has been breached on those points. It specifically refers to New Zion actions, not the actions of other nations, so while the sale of lands, equipment or materials by New Zion is prohibited, the sale of lands, equipment or materials to New Zion is not. There is also no indication of the establishment of an alliance or other cooperative agreement of a military nature with any existing nation.
"However, I am not aware of any public declarations of constitutional neutrality or enshrinement of such policy in a national constitution. Regarding the Swiss advisors, one could argue that that would or should be considered to be a "military force", but in my eyes that would depend on the number of advisors present in New Zion. Perhaps the Swiss representative can give us a number as to how many advisors there are in New Zion at present.
"Japan has noted that New Zion is in violation of Article 4, that New Zion shall become party to international agreements regarding conduct of war and maritime law. To this date, New Zion has signed none of the Den Haag Conventions nor has it signed the Vienna Convention.
"Perhaps now would be a good time to have New Zion sign those conventions and make a declaration of constitutional neutrality right here or have them show proof that they have done that already."
Quote from: Walter on May 30, 2010, 03:23:45 AM"The Swiss representative is right. There is no indication that Article 5 of the Dar-es-Salaam Agreement has been breached on those points. It specifically refers to New Zion actions, not the actions of other nations, so while the sale of lands, equipment or materials by New Zion is prohibited, the sale of lands, equipment or materials to New Zion is not. There is also no indication of the establishment of an alliance or other cooperative agreement of a military nature with any existing nation.
Teddy again addresses the Assembly:
"I would like to point out than any sale or transfer of military equipment is a 'cooperative military agreement' and indicates that New Zion is definately in breech of Article 5 as a result. Whether these weapons are donated, bartered for, purchased in hard currency or even loaned on an IOU, the agreement between New Zion for the equipment and advisors is clearly a cooperative agreement between two nations. The extent to which this affects the neutrality of the New Zion goernment is purely accidemic... the fact remains that there has been an agreement of good faith between two nations regarding the purchase of military equipment and the hiring of military advisors, and for the stationing of the same in New Zion.
These points are both in in direct violation of Article 5 of the Dar-es-Salaam agreement, in that 1.) "New Zion shall not enter into military alliance or
other cooperative military agreements" and 2.) "nor allow basing of third party military forces within its borders." New Zion has indeed breeched the agreement under the terms of Article 5, and the Confederate States of America offers the 'cooperative military agreement' regarding the sale of weapons and advisors for such weapons and the basing of the same advisors within New Zion territory as the proof."
Sr. Serrano takes notes and looks over to the Zionite representative...
OOC: We don't have an official speaker for the Zionites. Is there somebody - currently uninvolved - who would be willing to roleplay them? Consultations with Foxy will be necessary, naturally.
OOC Maddox told me to go ahead and play New Zion, unless there are any objections?
As far as Article 4, that has to do more with me switching countries than any Machiavellian Zionite plans for world domination.
IC The Zionite representative finally stands, "New Zion has embraced neutrality as part of its national constitution, as for signing the Den Haag convention, New Zion is more than willing to do so, however, due to less than ideal relations with the nation keeping the official documents, New Zion has not had the opportunity to officially put its signature on said documents. But if said documents can be obtained, I am legally endowed with the authority to sign them in the name of New Zion."
Rousseau turns to face Roosevelt, "Mr. Roosevelt, what you just state is a very VERY broad interpretation of the Treaty, and one I do not share. If that was the expected interpretation, no sane nation would have dare signed such a treaty. What you just said directly infringes on the rights any independent nation has to defend itself from all foreign aggression. It also happens to be a very hypocritical statement from the nation that sold New Zion the bulk of its navy. That said, if the sale or purchase of military equipment is a form of cooperative military agreement, then why does Article 5 still explicitly forbid the sale, be New Zion, of military equipment, but does not do the same for the purchase of said equipment?
To answer the Japanese, New Switzerland has around a hundred advisers in New Zion, of which only about half are in a formal military capacity."
Master Asia writes a note in Chinese and hands it over to one his aides. "Saru, get to our consulate here and have them send this message," he whipspers in Manchurian.
As the aide slips away, Japan's representative gets up.
"Japan does not share the Confederates' very loose definition of 'cooperative military agreements', though perhaps that might be because English is not my main language and because of that I would interpret it differently. With 'cooperative' I understand 'working together' and I do not see the sale of weapons, equipment or materials to New Zion as an indication that they are working together with the Swiss. The adviors is another matter though as they are working together with New Zion troops.
"It is unfortunate that the DKB has turned away the Dutch from this conference for they would most certainly have taken the documents along of the Den Haag Conventions. Considering their past actions, that was to be expected though."
Teddy retorts:
"My interpretation is not actually a loose one Gentlemen; it is instead a very literal one. Was the Confederacy's purchase of the California not a 'cooperative military agreement' between our two nations? Did it not create a more congenial relationship between our nations? Did it not link us more closely in industrial and military concerns? Would the same not be true of a similar deal made between other nations? Di not the breaking of the deal over the Texas adversely affect our relationship?
Weapons contracts are indeed cooperative military agreements, inexorably linking the client and the supplier in some manner- be it greater or lesser. The Swiss are creating these ties between themselves and the Zionites with these 'donations' and 'gifts.' The ties must be, therefore, stopped before they become a major breech of the agreement... it is easier to weed a garden when there are a few small weeds than it is when it is overrun."
OOC I need some dates as to when everything is happening.
Quote from: Sachmle on May 26, 2010, 07:43:29 PM
June 19, 1919
Master Dining Hall
Karimjee Hall
Dar-es-Salaam, Deutsche Ostafrika
OOC Does a page = day, work for everyone?
IC The Swiss and Zionite delegations discuss among themselves...
"The Italians are very quiet."
"Looking for an opening perhaps?"
"Maybe, they haven't made any real accusations either."
"Hmm... well again they don't have anything."
"Sirs, Commander, an important message just arrived from East Indies Fleet Headquarters."
"Admiral Ackbar... he's in overall command of the Indian Ocean Theater... let's hear it..."
*Prince Marcus Aquila looks over at Felix Djerzinsky before he rises to speak again*
President Roosevelt has stated most clearly the Empires feelings in this matter. Article 5 of the treaty is the heart of the matter. Perhaps a less liberal writing of Articles 3 and 4 could have prevented what is occurring now. But the treaty did not provide for forcibly changing the government of New Zion. Feeling within the Empire is that a government including elements of the Coptic and Native populations would be included in some sort of power sharing. We have yet to hear the opinion of the East Sea Confederation in this matter.
In any event this has not occurred and the Empire is gravely concerned about recent arm shipments to the Kingdom of New Zion. In particular the shipment of Arms from the New Swiss Republic concerns the Empire. As many here are already aware the Empire was cowardly attacked by Pirates not so many weeks ago! These Pirates in the past have been granted haven and protection under the lackluster laws concerning such criminals maintained by the New Swiss Republic and it proxy state of New Zion.
The Empire will not tolerate the establishment of a new haven for such criminals along the shipping routes vital for the efficient maintenance of the Empire!! If New Zion simply rejects all aide from the New Swiss Republic and expels all New Swiss advisors including all those who would switch their nation of Origin simply for convenience sake and adopt a policy to prohibit the operation of Pirates and Mercenaries' within their territory and territorial waters then the Empire would be satisfied! Of course the Empire would prefer a more stringent enforcement of Article 3 of the Original Dar-Es-Salaam agreement.
*Prince Marcus Aquila resumes his seat*
After sending an aid with a note to Prince Marcus Aquila, Admiral Geon gently asks to have his time as a speaker.
On behalf of Glorious France, I have to admit that the agreements concerning the continous New Zion excistence after the previous clashes are less than complete.
All parties involved can get their rights from the wording. Perfect for politicians and lawyers. But I'm a simple admiral, so I normaly deal with problems not so convulted. I won't presume I could deal with this situation in a diplomatic fashion, therefor, I won't be diplomatic. I apolegise for sore toes after my statement.
Glorious France will not interfere in a renewed Italia/New Zion military conflict, nor aid Italia in this specific situation.
Glorious France WILL make sure pirates won't conduct profitable business. Scintillante (http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=4900.0) was the last straw.
Glorious France reminds everybody that Privateers ain't recognized by France, and are treated like pirates .
As a final statement, Warships, and that includes any vessel that is armed, need to ask, trough diplomatic channels, the right of passage trough the Great French Canals.
And from this moment on, I will just observe.
The Swiss reply... "Where we brought here to discuss potential treaty infringements and ramifications or the whims of an aggressive nation? Mr. Aquila, do you have ANY concerns regarding the Treaty in question or do you simply want to mud-sling another nation? New Switzerland did NOT participate in any way or form in the Italo-Zionite war. And yet you now demand that we simply leave without reason. You are now deliberately interfering in the affairs of two independent nations. Why? Is it perhaps because you fear that New Switzerland will interfere in Italy's Imperial ambitions? Do you covet Zionite lands?
Now you have the gall to call us criminals and pirates. So you were attacked by pirates, welcome to the club. What does that have to do with anything? So has New Switzerland and we are not interfering in other nation's businesses because of it. New Switzerland has not nor will it grant haven and protection to pirates.
New Switzerland will simply not abandon a business proposition just due to the whims of another country. We are not in infringement of the Dar-es-salaam Agreement, and as long as we don't infringe it, we can do as we please."
*Prince Marcus Aquila looks at the Swiss representative*
I have as yet Sir accused you of nothing. I indicated that the Laws of your nations provide legal loopholes for the establishment and support of what many nations call Pirates and many others simply call Privateers'. I state a fact known to most of the world in a general term? And you employ a very simple tactic of denying everything and accusing the Empire of Imperial Ambitions?
What Sir of the Imperial Ambitions of the New Swiss Republic? Your nation has a short history ripe with exporting arms and munitions to anyone with a bit of Silver and a cause. What has the New Swiss Republic ever done other than to export weapons, chaos and disorder? From Siam to New Zion you press for your rights to do as you please while ignoring the rights of other nations in your mad dash for a few more pieces of silver! How many nations have New Swiss businessmen attacked on the high seas'?
*shakes his hand dramatically* I know I know you are not guilty of attacking a convoy of refugees on their way to Firanji in 1907 it was all a legitimate Anti-Piracy operation. You are not guilty of attempts to kidnap the Heir to the throne of China! *voice dripping with Sarcasm* It was unknown mercenary' forces in the employ of some unknown person! All polite fictions maintained between nations attempting to do what the New Swiss do not and that is to act in a responsible manner. Other nations have tried to avoid costly wars and they have accepted the polite platitudes of your diplomats and politely maintained the fiction. But the Empire is not interested in your platitudes or your excuses! So please continue with the Fiction that this is all the fault of the Evil Empire and its Imperial ambitions. It is always someone else' fault it is never the fault of New Switzerland?
The Empire came here to talk with the nations of the world to work out a solution to a problem. New Zion can continue to have peace all it needs do is distance itself from the actions of your government and live up to its treaty obligations. If the New Swiss Republic does not like the treaty obligations under which New Zion operates well that is simply too Bad. The Empire is willing to discuss modifications of its treaty with New Zion with New Zion. But if New Switzerland is to determine what is and is not in the best interest of New Zion then New Zion is indeed not an independent nation and is in fact a client state of New Switzeland?
*Still looking directly at the New Swiss representative Prince Marcus Aquila resumes his seat*
Elite Special Agent Jack Bauer quietly loads a round into his Lemat revolver, bought from the CSA at their army surplus sale, and tampers with the shotgun charge....
TC - What is Agent Bouer's approximate location in relation to Teddy and his staff, and you DO realize that any idiot that knows beans about firearms will be able to tell what's going on? I mean a LeMat is about `3 1/4" long and weighs about 4 lbs loaded; it's not exactly a stealthy killing tool.
Anyway, I reiterate my question and await reply.
As I told Foxy, I'm just writing this to provide tension, and trying and cause a peaceful settlement. If something outragous happens, mainly concerning the Swiss, he may do something. But for now, it shouldn't concern the CSA. Actually there for a meeting with a commodore from the Zionist fleet, but you don't know that.
OoC- but just barely.
Uhm, the CSA doesn't know exactly what interests it or what doesn't... but someone as gun-savvy as Teddy will notice that you're loading a revolver in front of him. Again, where is agent Bauer in relation to Roosevelt and his staff.
He's loading a gun the size of a large submarine sandwich in a room full of Very Important People with Very Twitchy Escorts.
This probably won't end well.
He's not even in the building.....way out, maybe half a mile in front of the main exit...
Quote from: TexanCowboy on June 01, 2010, 04:54:08 PM
He's not even in the building.....way out, maybe half a mile in front of the main exit...
Lucky for Jacky-boy.
Teddy has a Griswold and Gunnison .455 'Georgia Bulldog'* in his jacket pocket, as does each member of his security detail. Should Jack have been in their line of sight, like as not he'd have been dead- and a rather embarrassing gunfight might have ensued among many security guards- as their concern for security of the conference would have outweighed all sense of decorum.
* Google 'British Bulldog' if you want to know what Teddy's packing. G&G is the company producing the Webley pistols in the N-verse.
Senor Serrano sighs. "Gentlemen, at this point I think there is one easily resolved issue and one not so easily resolved.
"It is evident to me that New Zion has not complied with Article Four. I can not say that the Zionite explanation for this is satisfactory - I am aware of no particular issues between your state and the Netherlands. Were they to exist, you could undoubtedly have made arrangements through a mutually satisfactory intermediary, such as Orange or Gran Colombia or the Ottomans. I doubt very much that the Dutch would make efforts to prevent you from signing the agreements. So: it is my view that the New Zionite government must state, at this conference, its intention to sign on to established agreements of international law - and to follow up with the actual act at the earliest possible opportunity."
Serrano looks around the room. "Zionite compliance with Article Five is more problematic from my perspective. When the Dar-es-Salaam agreement was drafted, in large part by Senor Torres, I do not think the intention of this article was to prohibit Zionite arms acquisition. It is, however, a valid interpretation of the wording. My suggestion, then, is to seek to re-draft Article Five, with more detail, in such a way as to satisfy the concerns of both Italia and New Zion. Is this approach of interest to you?"
*Prince Marcus Aquila pauses before he replies*
I must apologize to the representatives gathered here for my outburst. Senor Serrano has a valid point and the Empire is willing to discuss modifications to the language of all the points of the treaty of Dar-Es-Salaam with representatives of New Zion. The problem is that the Representatives of New Zion seem to need the threat of war before they will even speak to a representative of the Empire!
If the Honored Representative of New Zion wishes to discuss modifications to the treaty he has only to schedule a meeting with the Imperial Magistrate for East Africa or with myself. If they wish for a witness to the discussions then by all means Senor Serrano would be most welcome as the statesmanship of Gran Columbia is world renowned. But I must caution the Empire see's absolutely no need to include the New Swiss in these discussions. As one of the points under discussion will be the severing of any and all relationships between New Zion and the New Swiss Republic!
*Prince Marcus Aquila retakes his seat*
The Swiss and Zionite parties have taken a 'slightly' longer than normal lunch break...
Teddy enjoys his 'on the job lunch' of bison jerky and some fruit while waiting on the Swiss and Zionites.
He is in close touch with Prince Aquila about how to reword the agreement... if the people on the other side of the table ever show up again.
OOC Nothing sinister planned, just limited internet yesterday and this morning.
IC The Swiss stands up and he is obviously not pleased. "New Switzerland is... confused. Italy called this meeting forward, due to what we think, they saw as some treaty issues. However, they have brought nothing of substance forward, and have instead wasted our time with wild and incongruent accusations, and random statements about stuff that happened long ago. And now they want to meet privately, with only New Zion. Why the hell was this conference called again? Oh and apparently the point of discussion will have absolutely nothing to do with the Treaty and all with New Switzerland, which was involved not one bit in the war which lead to said treaty.
Oh and they have just admitted to threatening New Zion with war. If New Zion doesn't want to speak with Italy, they have every right to do so. Don't read anything in the Treaty about yearly counseling sessions.
It is New Switzerland's view that Italy has called this conference as a distraction for all involved for their true intentions, which involved another uncalled for invasion of New Zion. We have just received reports coming from several different trusted sources, that the Italians have moved nearly their entire navy into the Rift and are in the process of moving a number of additional army corps into Africa. Since the Italian forces, already in Africa, outnumber the Zionites by around 3 to 1, we feel that this is just the opening moves of an Italian invasion."
Admiral Geon glares at the NS representative.
Isn't the Italian fleet movement not rather a reaction on a New Swiss Flottila setting up shop at a desert island right in the back of a mayor trade route that keeps the Italian Empire glued together?
An island close by where a mayor Pirate issue was solved recently. And even better, according to our information, a "lease" was arranged under rather strange circumstances, where both Romanian kings involved with the release to the New Swiss, after leasing the island itself from Oman, die, one by stroke, the other in an explosion that coincidential wipes out a small village and a mayor naval port adjoined by a mayor munition storage facility.
With the mediterranian now void of the Nassau treaty partners, and several armed New Swiss merchantmen free in Mare Nostrum, I feel it nessecary to redeploy mayor French units to fill in the gaps. Just for the safety of all.
Also, it was mainly New Swiss King Henries doing that NS merchants regained acces to the markets around the Mediterranian. As long the med stays quite, The normal situation as it is now will continue.
But I want to remind , normal procedure is that armed vessels wishing to pass the Great Canals need to get permission and that is only to be aquired by diplomatical means.
Sr. Serrano says, "On the whole, I believe it would be best to continue addressing matters in a multi-lateral setting. Certainly I would think that - if Italia is indeed prepared to wage war over the matters before us - it is that much more important that we all work towards a diplomatic compromise."
The Zionite stands up "New Zion is very dismayed at the overtly aggressive stance our Italian friends have taken. New Zion has lifted not one finger against Italy, and yet here we are threatened by war over... nothing? Perhaps if Italy sought talks they could try other less violent ways. New Zion has been and will continue to be a peaceful nation."
Teddy states *and any grammatical errors can be attributed to the uisce beatha* and replies:
"New Zion is a peaceful nation... but their erstwhile allies- whether literally worded as such, or simply name as such due to the situation- are oft proven as not being so peace-loving. New Zion must choose... are they committed to world peace, or are they committed to their Swiss allies and their anarchical ways?"
"New Zion has no idea what the Swiss have to do with anything. They were not involved in the war nor where they involved in the Peace Treaty. New Zion has no alliance with them, nor any sort of cooperation agreement, hence they should not be relevant to this discussion. New Zion has the right to buy weapons for her self-defense from whoever she wants. The Swiss just happen to be selling recently. Now would the Confederates be kind enough to sell defensive weapons to New Zion at reasonable prices? We can change suppliers but the price has to be right, New Zion doesn't have a lot of money just lying around..."
"Tommy, what do you make of Brian's glass? Half empty or half full?"
"Neither, its twice the size it has to be..."
*Prince Marcus Aquila looks at the New Zion representative*
But what is the Price of all the Technology and Military Equipment that the New Swiss republic has so generously dontated to New Zion. The New Aircraft the New Subs the payment schedule on all these things must be "Extremely Generous"?
Or is it that as in the past the New Swiss are seeking a location from which to stage there raiders as they did durring the 2nd Pacific War ??? Such secret agreements are a form of alliance and are a very cooperative military agreement!
The New Swiss never just happen to be selling and nothing is ever completely free. Where did the cruisers that fought a battle in the Rift sea against the DKB base out of durring the 2nd pacific war? Who provided a safe haven for the Pirate Capt Taugon and his ship for so many years?
The Empire is tired of the actions of these independent actors with no respect for law. We are here because of the actions of individuals very similar to those who for many years were allowed to fly the New Zion flag. The Empire is willing to negotiate directly with New Zion to reach a mutually beneficial interpretation of the articles of the Dar-Es-Salaam treaty. However it must be a mutually beneficial interpretation!
"I would like to point out, Your Highness, that I was sent here to represent the Empire of Japan, a member of the Neutral commission. We have gathered here because the Empire of Italy accuses New Zion of violating the Dar-es-Salaam Agreement. We have not come here to talk about 'the actions of individuals very similar to those who for many years were allowed to fly the New Zion flag'. I can understand that your nation is concerned about individuals who perform piratic acts, but if we are to solve that, more nations than those that are currently present should be involved in such talks. Now is not the time or the place to talk about that. We are also talking about what New Zion is doing and not what New Switzerland is doing."
Quote from: Walter on June 03, 2010, 08:20:59 AM
We are also talking about what New Zion is doing and not what New Switzerland is doing."
Teddy addresses the Japanese representative:
"With all due respect to the Honorable from the Empire, if New Zion and New Switzerland are undertaking a cooperative agreement, then what New Switzerland is doing is a part of what New Zion is doing, and thus is most definitely what we are here to discuss.
"Gentlemen, I'm going to suggest approaching a new Article Five along these lines:
"First, affirmation of Zionite neutrality in its constitution and in general.
"Second, confirmation that there will be no formal alliances, basing of foreign military forces, or transfer of arms or territory to any third party. We would need to define 'basing' in terms of duration - it is reasonable to allow for short visits. We may also wish to define 'foreign military forces' in such a way as to include privateers or pirates, depending on one's viewpoint.
"Third, we would have to allow Zion to acquire arms, as the Zionite economy can not produce a full gamut of military equipment for itself.
"Fourth, we may wish to consider arms limitations ratios of some variety. This would have to factor in defensive requirements on third party borders, naturally.
"Finally, I would suggest that we may wish to provide for third party observers to be deployed on Italian/Zionite borders. It would reduce the likelihood of the sort of border skirmish that triggered the issue between Burma and the RRC.
"What do you gentlemen think of this?"
"New Zion could certainly agree to said proposal, we do have our reservations about arms limitations. Simply because Italy can bring in more forces from outside, but New Zion would not have said option."
"I'm cognizant of that - but Italia also has external defensive commitments. I suspect we can find some sort of compromise."
"Gentlemen? Thoughts?"
*cricket, cricket* xD
OOC: Still waiting for a reply from a PM.
*Prince Marcus Aquila ponder for a moment*
The Empire is willing to negotiate on the interpretation of the Articles all of the Articles of the Treaty with the Acception of Article 1. The Empires preceives the past and current New Zion governments to be in effect puppet regime of New Switzerland. The New Zion government and its military is being supported by New Swiss $$$ and equipment.
The Empire is willing to listen to proposals but will be seeking clear assurances that all ties between New Zion and New Switzerland are severed and will not be renewed. If an accomidation can be reached to allow New Zion to feel secure without sacraficing the Empire security concerns then the Empire is both willing and eager to work towards this accomidation.
However I will caution all here that based on New Articles published in Zionite Papers and internal Propoganda within in New Zion the Empire has both in the past and in the present sever concerns about the continued viability of a country that teaches hate to its people of most of its neighbors. How long before someone believes the fictions they aspouse and again takes action?
"New Switzerland does not see it has to be brought up every time by Italy. New Switzerland did NOT participate in the war, did NOT participate in the peace discussions, did NOT sign the treaty, and did NOT have anything else to do with anything. New Switzerland fought a war and New Zion stayed neutral. New Zion fought a war and New Switzerland stayed neutral. So I find your New Zion puppet state statement lacking substance."
"New Zion will not continue to negotiate if Italy keeps on making baseless accusation. Italy just wants war so they have to make up stuff every time. We would like to see these supposed 'News Clippings'..."
"New Switzerland would like an explanation as to why Italy called for this meeting. We have been sitting here for the past few days well... just sitting. When if ever is Italy going to actually decide to talk about anything remotely connected to whatever it was that brought us here? Or was this meeting just a decoy..."
"New Zion has received some very troubling information. It seems the Italians have been running quite a number of large convoys of a decisively military nature just of the coast of New Zion. The presence of such a large number of heavily armed ships and the cargo they escort is very worrying to New Zion. The Rift might be a small body of water but it is still one hundred miles wide. So what the hell are Italian ships doing less than ten miles of the Zionite coast? An invasion rehearsal? Should we be mobilizing our forces now? How can we negotiate when we literally have a gun to our head?"
OOC...
If you had Admiral Ackbar present at these talks, I would think his words right now would be:
"IT'S A TRAP!"
;D
*Prince Marcus Aquila looks over at the New Zion representative*
The Empire came to this meeting in the hopes of communicating to New Zion the danger that continued association with the New Swiss Republic puts on the treaty that ended the last war between our two nations!
What the Empire has heard is demands for Proof demands for answers and a complete denial of the situation that brought us to this situation in the first place. So let us answer a few of your demands ?
1. The Shipping of the Empire is in International Waters and the Convoys are the usual traffic between the coal mines of Italia South Africa and Rome. But lest we be remiss we would remind the New Zion representative that laying mines in their territorial waters is their business warning those who utilize their right of innocent passage to pass through New Zion territorial waters is the responsibility of the New Zion government ?
2. You Demand to See News Clippings from your own News Papers ? While I do not as a habit usually read the Papers of New Zion I do have a clipping here that I believe to be personally relevant! It is an editorial taken just a year or so ago!
Quote
"Vengeance Is Mine, I Will Repay, Saith the Lord."
Rejoice o' Israel for those who sought to do you harm are no more. The Lord our God has spoke, the Lord our God has acted. May all the enemies of the Sons of Abraham be as he who once was called the Emperor of Italia. May all our enemies face the wrath of the Lord God Almighty.
"Hear o' Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One."
I believe If you absolutely insist I can provide you with photographic evidence taken on the streets of Tel Aviv and several other town of New Zion of the celebrations and dancing in the streets following the release of this particular news clipping.
Finally I can present the final report on the debriefing of Abdul Ben Ahijah former Chief Elder of the Council of Elders in New Zion if you insist ?
I believe it is time that you answered a question that the Empire has asked! Do you wish to renegotiate the terms of the Treaty of Dar-Es-Salaam. And will you cease any and all association with the New Swiss Republic ?
*Prince Marcus Aquila sits down and waves one of his Uniformed aides over and sends a note out of the building while awaits a response.*
OOC: Desertfox, why on earth would you put the Shema in a editorial calling for war? That prayer specifically talks about tolerance.
"You majesty, the rift is one hundred miles wide. Do not tell me that the nearest route involves barely skirting the entirety of Zionite territorial waters. If the traffic is the regular one, why did it just decide to change its routes in the last month or so? And what do mines have to do with anything? Don't change the subject.
So a clipping from an editorial eh? I don't know about you, but New Zion allows freedom of speech to everyone, including fringe groups. New Zion might not agree with what they say, but it will not go around censoring anyone. And the words of a traitorous old fool could very well have been written by you.
You want an answer? I will answer. New Zion does not see the need to renegotiate the treaty signed by our respective nations. A clarifications of certain articles would be very useful, but no renegotiation. What was signed was signed.
New Switzerland has nothing to do with said treaty so we will not discuss that here."
OOC Because it was an editorial written by fringe hard-core right-wingers. It wasn't calling for war BTW.
Mr Smuts, minister for foreign affairs, raised his word towards the Zionist delegation: "Isn't it a bit hasty to deny any renegotiation? They might turn out to be advantageous for you."
"Mr Smuts, that is a can best left unopened. It might be advantageous but we can not afford to take that risk at the present time."
and people wonder why I sent Jack Bauer....
*Prince Marcus Aquila stands*
So is it the position of New Zion that they do not renegotiate the terms of the treaty ending our last war and that the New Swiss are not involved at all???
In that case I must inform all here that the Empires position on this matter is very simple. That New Zion is in complete violation of its treaty with the Empire. New Zion has repeatedly allowed the basing of New Swiss Advisors both in Uniform and out in their territory, has repeatedly accepting the transfer of military hardware and technology from New Switzerland, and has not signed or complied with the international treaties governing the high seas.
The Empire would prefer to see this resolved here at this conference in a peaceful manner. However *looks directly at the New Zion representative* since you refuse to answer any questions in a civilized manner, I ask you one last time will you sever your ties to New Switzerland.
*Prince Marcus Aquila waves over and Aide who has a brief case handcuffed to his wrist, he opens the brief case and removes two Creamy Colored Envelopes and sets them on the table as he resumes his seat*
"New Zion simply does not see why any treaty already agreed upon and signed should be renegotiated. The Swiss had nothing to do with the treaty so we have no reason to discuss them.
New Zion is not in violation of the treaty and there is no evidence to the contrary. Only accusations from you and your very very close allies. You have not brought any direct charges until now, and then very scantly. The only valid point is the signing of international treaties and like I stated before it was a mere oversight by the government due to issues with the Dutch. New Zion has been keeping to those treaties and is more than willing to put its signature on them, just as soon as the respective papers are brought forth.
Civilized manner? Your majesty, is it I who brings forth threats to this table...? Or you...
And to answer your question, no we will not sever ties with New Switzerland or with ANY other nation. We are free to trade and speak to whoever we wish, be they friends or enemies. If the other nation does not wish to have formal ties, that is their problem, not ours."
Between the Swiss and Zionite delegations..."They want war, I suggest you mobilize now. Otherwise they will catch you unprepared. If they attack, our fleet is ready and will sail to your defense."
I'm seriously considering threating declaring war on the both of you, so war can't be declared.... :P
Meh, what can Romania do ;D
Besides jacking up oil prices 1000% ;D
OOC Note: A Certain Prince is not going to be waiting days or even more then a few polite moments for a reply.
Admiral Geon eyes the prince , and gestures.
An aid goes out.
Soon after, the marconi instalation on Occitanie is very busy.
As France doesn't have any encryption to speak of, anybody who wishes, can get the full marconi by PM
One of Teddy's aide/bodyguards heads out the door, a large envelope in his hand.
Aboard the Opelika, the envelope is opened and, like aboard the Occitanie, the Marconi operators are soon nursing sore fingers.
During the last days of the conference I have carefully listened to the various delegates.
As one of the overseeing powers is has been a saddening experience to try to get the New Zionite government to implement the Dar-Es-Salaam treaty, the absolute lack of will to institute a new Government and now this latest development!
It is the view of the Esc that the New Zionite arms deal is indeed a violation of §5 ,and the New Zionite government yet again try to avoid to live up to the treaty.
With this in mind the Esc no longer sees the need to continue as an overseeing power as New Zion has neither the will or the means to live up to the treaty they themselves has signed.
It is also the opinion of the Esc that Italy can do what Italy sees fit.
"We're failing", Sr. Serrano muttered to one of his aides. "This conference is failing."
The aide could only nod.
"We're going to have another war on our hands", Serrano added.
"It seems both the French and Confederates are sending aides out to send reports", the aide replied.
"Telling their governments that this is all going to shit", Serrano agreed. "I suppose we need to send a similar message."
Governor Schnee is seen writing something down and then motions for one of his aides.
"Get this to the wireless station immediately and do not leave until receipt is verified."
"But sir, it's 1 in the morning back in Brandenburg, let alone the time it will take at each station along the way to decipher and resend."
"I don't care if it takes all night. Do NOT come back until receipt is verified!"
At this last statement some personnel near by turn in surprise as it was quite loud.
*Prince Marcus Aquila stands*
I must humbly thank President Roosevelt, Felix Djerzinski, and Master Asia for their valiant but futile efforts to oversee the Treaty of Dar Es Salaam. The Empire would like to thank the Government of Gran Columbia for their efforts in bringing years of peace to this troubled region. I would like to thank Governor Heinrich Schnee for his hosting of this meeting and Vincent Delalle for his dutiful attendance. I would further like to note that at the conclusion of this meeting I would appreciate a separate meeting with the Sr. Serrano, Vincent Delalle and Governor Schnee!!
*Prince Marcus nods to an Aide who presents one Envelop to a New Zion aide and another to a New Swiss Aide*
The Empire is sad to announce that as of 23:59 this evening local time the Empire of Italia will be resuming its state of war between the Empire of Italia and the Kingdom of New Zion. The Empire does not wish to unduly impact Neutral Shipping in the rift and will not begin offensive naval operations for 48 hours. However any attempt by Naval Forces of New Zion to enter the Red Sea or approach Imperial ports or water will result in that vessel being attacked and sunk. In 48 hours the Empire will begin offensive mining operations of waters immediately off New Zion ports and warn all vessels to avoid these waters.
To the New Swiss Republic, the Empire does not wish to invade your islands it lacks the ability to do so! However if your warships attempt to enter the Rift Sea the Empire will take this as a unilateral declaration of war on your part. Any vessel of yours found entering the rift will be dealt with severly. To avoid this conflict all you need to is return to your own territorial waters until this crisis is over!
To the Neutrals and other interested parties. The Empire does not wish to punish the people of New Zion. The Empires conflict is with the Zionist and Communist elements within its government. The Empire will obviously be instituting some form of a naval blockade of New Zion. The Conference after the conclusion of this meeting will be to hear opinions and complaints about that blockade and to work out a compromise.
I thank you all for your time and sincerely apologize that because of the Intransigent behavior of New Zion that a peaceful settlement could not be reached.
*Prince Marcus Aquila sits back down*
OOC: Note this conference began on June 19th so I will simply ask the mods to decide how long we were arguing about this and set an actual date for its conclusion.
As a side note If its after July 4th I think I missed the Caldera Cup races :(
Master Asia gets up. "Your Highness... You never came here to talk about peace, did you? The only reason you are here is so that you can sleep well once you had passed on your message to us. Therefore this meeting was doomed to fail before it even started. Perhaps you might fool others, but you do not fool me. The only thing I have heard from you are accusations, accusations, accusations and accusations. There was not a single moment where you seriously tried to attempt to work something out.
"An other aspect in this failure was that the neutral commission was not neutral." Master Asia glares at Roosevelt. "It was obvious that one member was biassed in this matter due to certain relations and since the Swiss were involved." He looked away an bowed. "You have my sincerest appologies for being unable to keep the commission a neutral one."
Master Asia sits down and quickly writes a note. Saru accepts the note and brings it to the representative of New Zion.
During the Italian declaration, DKB marine vessels are creating a torpedo net on the seaward flank of Occitanie.
Admiral Geon requested this when it became obvious that New Zion wasn't willing to compromise.
We'll assume the final Italian statement is delivered on June 30, effectively resulting in a state of war at the beginning of 1 July.
It can be assumed that governments, including non-participants, will be aware of the outcome of the conference by the morning of 1 July. The Colombians, for one, will not be withholding the news from anybody who asks.
"I regret that this conference appears to have failed", Senor Serrano comments. " I thank all who have participated for their efforts towards peace, and our Brandenburger colleagues for their hospitality. I will be available for the remainder of today for any side discussions requested by other parties.
"I will depart this evening for my posting in Orange. My government will be in touch regarding its status in the conflict to come."
The Confederate States of America withholds an outright declaration of war, but when the South Atlantic Detachment sails, signal flags are hoisted that read: "Ships of New Zion - You Are Too Close If You Can Read This."
It is also VERY obvious that all wood paneling, carpet, artwork and other luxury items are being shipped home on an Irish flagged steamer- escorted by Teddy and his 'hunting party.'
OOC: Yes, the Irish are very neutral, everyone take an Irish steamer home. That way, the Irish can profit :P
Sheeze, people. Did you really have to declare war the weekend I was unavailable? Well it was expected I guess. Time to fight...
Iberia Declares its Neutrality in the conflict
France is earely silent in that respect, but socialist voices in Paris speak ill of Premier Galpoux's approval of Admiral Geons Geons orders.
NUS declare its neutrality in this war.
OOC:
The Esc hereby ask permission to transfer these vessels through Suez as a reinforcement of the Gujarat sqdrn ,due to the ambiguous situation in the Indian Ocean:
BB 02 Torden
BB 04 Styrka
MCr 01 Clas Horn
MCr 02 Trolle Fleet
Ca Vind
Cl.27 BCS Svealand
Cl.28 BCS Ringerike
DD 16
DD 17
DD 18
DD 19
DD 20
DD 21
Romania declares nothing, sees nothing, hears nothing.... :D
Holland invokes her rights of Neutrality and asserts the 24 hour rule regarding armed belligerents in her waters. She in turn honors the declared Maritime Exclusion Zone around New Zion.
She asserts her right in international waters to free transit.
1)DKB ports will remain open to all merchant shipping.
2)No armed vessels will be permitted in DKB civilian ports
3)Armed vessels making port call at DKB military ports will be required to allow a pilot and guard unit aboard.
3a)The guard unit will stay on board for the duration of the visit.
3b)Any vessels refusing the pilot or guards will not be permitted into the roadstead.
3c)If the vessel attempts to enter anyway it will be sunk without warning.
3d)This could also be considered and act of war.
We too remind those involved of the actions taken to protect the right of innocent passage of merchant/civilian vessels in the past.
The Confederate Congress resolves to the following:
1.) Merchant Shipping from all nations save, those of New Zion and of any nation which might ally with New Zion, may freely enter and leave Confederate ports and waters.
2.) No armed vessel shall be considered a merchant vessel; an 'armed vessel' is defined as 'a vessel carrying a weapon capable of doing damage to another vessel.'
QuoteDid we come here to discuss anything new or just old stuff recycled again, cause Italy feels like invading nations once again? Can we get on to the meat of why we are all here?
New Switzerland "I guess we were right. Italy came here not to discuss but to plan a war of aggression. New Switzerland hereby condemns the Italians and their war of aggression. New Switzerland will no longer sit at a table that hosts an Italian. As of today we are cutting all communication with Italy.
With the treaty obviously no longer in effect, we hereby extend New Zion an offer for a full military alliance..."
The Republic of China maintains the following:
1) Chinese ports will remain open to all merchant shipping.
2) Armed vessels from any nation will not be allowed to dock, subject to clause 3's exception.
3) Refueling vessels such as colliers and tankers will be allowed to dock at RRC military ports for the duration of two days only.
4) Any vessel refusing these conditions and entering anyways will be considered an act of war and be sunk without warning.
Quote from: Logi on June 14, 2010, 07:40:18 PM
The Republic of China maintains the following:
4) Any vessel refusing these conditions and entering anyways will be considered an act of war and be sunk without warning.
I think you may want to at least fire a warning shot first. Plus what of damaged ships? Would you not let them dock and then intern them after 24hrs similar to what was threatened to Graf Spee in WWII?
The government of Egypt maintains the following along with its statement of neutrality:
1) Egyptian ports will remain open to all merchant vessels.
2) Armed vessels from any nation will be allowed to dock for 24 hours only, after 24 hours they must leave or be interned for the duration of the war.
3)Auxiliary vessels such as colliers and tankers will be allowed to dock at Egyptian military ports for the duration of 36 hours only.
4) Any vessel violating these conditions and entering after being warned off, will be fired upon.
QuoteI think you may want to at least fire a warning shot first. Plus what of damaged ships? Would you not let them dock and then intern them after 24hrs similar to what was threatened to Graf Spee in WWII?
Because I would really prefer Swiss ships at the bottom of the ocean than being around that filth. :P
Quote from: Logi on June 14, 2010, 10:11:59 PM
QuoteI think you may want to at least fire a warning shot first. Plus what of damaged ships? Would you not let them dock and then intern them after 24hrs similar to what was threatened to Graf Spee in WWII?
Because I would really prefer Swiss ships at the bottom of the ocean than being around that filth. :P
How Chinese of you ;) :P
ooc : Can't figure out why Bavaria would bother to declare anything. Not a signatory to Den Hague, and New Swiss and New Zion shipping are hardly going to be steaming up the Adriatic to Trieste anyhow. However, all arms exports to those nations will run into sudden and severe paperwork issues