...won't be showing up any time soon. 1920 at the earliest.
But when it does, I expect it to look something like this...
CE-1920, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1916
Displacement:
6,645 t light; 6,981 t standard; 8,218 t normal; 9,207 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
467.60 ft / 459.32 ft x 52.49 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
142.52 m / 140.00 m x 16.00 m x 6.00 m
Armament:
14 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (7x2 guns), 110.23lbs / 50.00kg shells, 1916 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,543 lbs / 700 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 321.52 ft / 98.00 m 12.30 ft / 3.75 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 3.94" / 100 mm 3.94" / 100 mm
- Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 7.87" / 200 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 2 shafts, 38,225 shp / 28,516 Kw = 26.00 kts
Range 10,000nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,226 tons
Complement:
431 - 561
Cost:
£0.955 million / $3.818 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 180 tons, 2.2 %
Armour: 2,295 tons, 27.9 %
- Belts: 1,302 tons, 15.8 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 278 tons, 3.4 %
- Armour Deck: 646 tons, 7.9 %
- Conning Tower: 69 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 1,424 tons, 17.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,546 tons, 31.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,572 tons, 19.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 2.4 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
10,999 lbs / 4,989 Kg = 106.8 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.05
Metacentric height 2.1 ft / 0.6 m
Roll period: 15.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 64 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.67
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.06
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.606
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.75 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.43 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Forecastle (15 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Stern: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Average freeboard: 16.60 ft / 5.06 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 77.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 128.6 %
Waterplane Area: 17,734 Square feet or 1,648 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 121 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 91 lbs/sq ft or 442 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.47
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Yes, there is room for seven centerline turrets on the CE-1916 hull; the possibility informed several parts of my artwork for same. A(B)-(Q)R(S)-(X)Y; also, the boats would be moved into under-deck roller-door bays a la Cross Mirage.
I'd ditch 2 twins and try to get speed up to ~30kts. If not any modern BC/CA can catch her.
But remember the Maori view on cruisers. They aren't to act independently, but to screen the battleline
What scares me is the armour. Nothing short of a 9.2'' shell is getting through that.
Waaaay too slow need at least 28 knots and even then its kinda slow for new builds.
I'd like to see that picture.
Quote from: The Rock Doctor on March 11, 2010, 04:59:55 PM
I'd like to see that picture.
LOTS of guns, realy short hull
Any speed increase would be in four-knot blocks, hence, 30 knots. That would look about like this...
CE-1920, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1916
Displacement:
9,247 t light; 9,642 t standard; 11,141 t normal; 12,341 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
533.22 ft / 524.93 ft x 59.06 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
162.52 m / 160.00 m x 18.00 m x 6.00 m
Armament:
14 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (7x2 guns), 110.23lbs / 50.00kg shells, 1916 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,543 lbs / 700 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 321.52 ft / 98.00 m 12.30 ft / 3.75 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 94 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 3.94" / 100 mm 3.94" / 100 mm
- Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 7.87" / 200 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 2 shafts, 79,505 shp / 59,311 Kw = 30.00 kts
Range 10,000nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,699 tons
Complement:
541 - 704
Cost:
£1.456 million / $5.824 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 180 tons, 1.6 %
Armour: 2,550 tons, 22.9 %
- Belts: 1,332 tons, 12.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 278 tons, 2.5 %
- Armour Deck: 856 tons, 7.7 %
- Conning Tower: 85 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 2,962 tons, 26.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,355 tons, 30.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,894 tons, 17.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 1.8 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
11,251 lbs / 5,104 Kg = 109.3 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 2.7 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 15.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 58 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.39
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.80
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.639
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.89 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.91 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 73
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Forecastle (15 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Stern: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Average freeboard: 16.60 ft / 5.06 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 135.8 %
Waterplane Area: 23,509 Square feet or 2,184 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 96 lbs/sq ft or 468 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.10
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather
Or, staying with five twins as in the preceding class, this.
CE-1920, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1916
Displacement:
8,740 t light; 9,072 t standard; 10,514 t normal; 11,667 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
533.22 ft / 524.93 ft x 59.06 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
162.52 m / 160.00 m x 18.00 m x 6.00 m
Armament:
10 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (5x2 guns), 110.23lbs / 50.00kg shells, 1916 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,102 lbs / 500 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 321.52 ft / 98.00 m 12.30 ft / 3.75 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 94 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 3.94" / 100 mm 3.94" / 100 mm
- Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 7.87" / 200 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 2 shafts, 75,397 shp / 56,246 Kw = 30.00 kts
Range 10,000nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,594 tons
Complement:
518 - 674
Cost:
£1.321 million / $5.284 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 129 tons, 1.2 %
Armour: 2,438 tons, 23.2 %
- Belts: 1,330 tons, 12.6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 198 tons, 1.9 %
- Armour Deck: 828 tons, 7.9 %
- Conning Tower: 81 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 2,809 tons, 26.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,164 tons, 30.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,774 tons, 16.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 1.9 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
11,374 lbs / 5,159 Kg = 110.4 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
Metacentric height 2.9 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 14.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 63 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.27
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.86
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.603
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.89 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.91 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 73
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Forecastle (15 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Stern: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Average freeboard: 16.60 ft / 5.06 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 99.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 137.1 %
Waterplane Area: 22,737 Square feet or 2,112 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 93 lbs/sq ft or 453 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.14
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather
Neither is, IMHO, worth the cost in tonnage. 26 knots is plenty to maneuver around the core of the fleet and interpose with incoming torpedo squadrons, and even 6 ktons is too big to be wasted on scouting when a destroyer can already carry lookouts and a radio.
Put another way, anything that would want to catch her is going to be big enough to lock in with BB guns, and will have much bigger fish to fry once the shells start flying.
...Hmm. How consistently will 150mm plate stop 8" guns, and at what ranges?
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c386/valles_uf/AxeMurder.png)
Brutalized from the corpse of the previous class's portrait, and probably not the final look, but overall...
Agincourt - the cruiser years.
No secondaries of any kind? Not even AA guns? While the 150mm gun might be useful against some cruisers and destroyers, it would be all the effective against larger cruisers (the hold overs from the armored cruiser age). Remember who your prime rival is in the Pacific.
She's also very much a floating magazine.
I have strong doubts on there being enough space for engines and mags. What about going for triples?
8'' of armour is a floating magazine? Since when?
AA probably needs to be on my list for the final draft, yes - something like 4x1x35mm.
I have, right now, a topheavy fleet - one front-line battleship and five second-line ones, plus four second-line ACs. These ships would, by their nature and by the doctrine of their builders, be inevitably in the company of at least several of the above, who would quite sensibly regard larger cruisers stupid enough to try engaging them or their escorts as their own rightful prey.
With every turret having its own dedicated hoist, all that admittedly-explosive potential trouble is safely behind the 20cm belt.
15cm isn't enough to really, conclusively deal with even a Swiss-style foil-clad, but it can make a very good try at it, and by picking it as the sole battery of a single cruiser type aimed at both other CLs and at DDs, I'm hoping to make my limited supply of cash and BP stretch as far as they can.
In the absence of technical expertise of my own regarding the volumetric needs of turbo-electric installations, I take SS's word for it, and that claims that she's anywhere between 'doable' and positively roomy.
The pic - while not exact - suggests the midships guns will have poor firing arcs. A longer hull than the original design, with reduced BC to keep the over tonnage around even, might be better.
Alternately, consider six mounts and increase the height of the armor belt.
For the mission in question - couple AA guns might be useful, but I'd agree that secondaries or torpedoes are probably not going to be helpful.
The difficulty with lengthening the hull is that just extending the bow and stern doesn't do anything; the problem is the room available for the midships' turrets, and fixing that requires a longer belt and commensurate increase in weight.
CE-1920, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1916
Displacement:
7,124 t light; 7,472 t standard; 8,756 t normal; 9,784 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
533.22 ft / 524.93 ft x 52.49 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
162.52 m / 160.00 m x 16.00 m x 6.00 m
Armament:
14 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (7x2 guns), 110.23lbs / 50.00kg shells, 1916 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
4 - 1.38" / 35.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.10lbs / 0.50kg shells, 1916 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 1,548 lbs / 702 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 367.45 ft / 112.00 m 12.30 ft / 3.75 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 3.94" / 100 mm 3.94" / 100 mm
2nd: 0.39" / 10 mm 0.39" / 10 mm 0.39" / 10 mm
- Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 7.87" / 200 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 2 shafts, 36,536 shp / 27,256 Kw = 26.00 kts
Range 10,000nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,312 tons
Complement:
452 - 588
Cost:
£0.968 million / $3.874 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 181 tons, 2.1 %
Armour: 2,531 tons, 28.9 %
- Belts: 1,469 tons, 16.8 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 280 tons, 3.2 %
- Armour Deck: 710 tons, 8.1 %
- Conning Tower: 72 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 1,361 tons, 15.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,851 tons, 32.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,632 tons, 18.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 2.3 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
13,304 lbs / 6,035 Kg = 129.2 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 2.3 ft / 0.7 m
Roll period: 14.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.66
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.29
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.565
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.91 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Forecastle (15 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Stern: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Average freeboard: 16.60 ft / 5.06 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 70.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134.8 %
Waterplane Area: 19,503 Square feet or 1,812 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 127 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 91 lbs/sq ft or 445 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.20
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Sure, but you could probably trim your belt down to 18 or 15 cm and still be essentially immune to 8" fire at most likely ranges.
CE-1920, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1916
Displacement:
6,629 t light; 6,965 t standard; 8,198 t normal; 9,185 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
533.22 ft / 524.93 ft x 52.49 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
162.52 m / 160.00 m x 16.00 m x 6.00 m
Armament:
14 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (7x2 guns), 110.23lbs / 50.00kg shells, 1916 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
4 - 1.38" / 35.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.10lbs / 0.50kg shells, 1916 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 1,548 lbs / 702 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 367.45 ft / 112.00 m 12.30 ft / 3.75 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 3.94" / 100 mm 3.94" / 100 mm
2nd: 0.39" / 10 mm 0.39" / 10 mm 0.39" / 10 mm
- Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 7.87" / 200 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 2 shafts, 34,634 shp / 25,837 Kw = 26.00 kts
Range 10,000nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,220 tons
Complement:
430 - 560
Cost:
£0.924 million / $3.696 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 181 tons, 2.2 %
Armour: 2,135 tons, 26.0 %
- Belts: 1,100 tons, 13.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 280 tons, 3.4 %
- Armour Deck: 687 tons, 8.4 %
- Conning Tower: 69 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 1,290 tons, 15.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,822 tons, 34.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,570 tons, 19.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 2.4 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
12,378 lbs / 5,615 Kg = 120.2 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 2.3 ft / 0.7 m
Roll period: 14.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.67
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.34
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.529
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.91 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Forecastle (15 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Stern: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Average freeboard: 16.60 ft / 5.06 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 72.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 137.0 %
Waterplane Area: 18,857 Square feet or 1,752 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 129 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 92 lbs/sq ft or 451 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.26
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Like so? I'll admit my grasp on what kind of armor will stop what is... a little shaky.
Should do. Blooded thought that 6'' could stop 8'' shells, but if this is against the Swiss, I would go for 180 mm for 9'' shells.
Hmm. A 175mm belt costs about two hundred tons, looks like. At 1.1 quality as Maori armor is, that's effectively... 192.5mm.
From NaAB, against the RN's 9.2" (380 pounder), It looks like a belt of 6" or more and a 2" deck would provide at least some immunity zone at right around 20,500 yards. A 7" belt moves the inside of that zone in to around 17,500 yards.
Quote from: Guinness on March 11, 2010, 07:05:43 PM
From NaAB, against the RN's 9.2" (380 pounder), It looks like a belt of 6" or more and a 2" deck would provide at least some immunity zone at right around 20,500 yards. A 7" belt moves the inside of that zone in to around 17,500 yards.
Quote from: Valles on March 11, 2010, 07:03:41 PM
Hmm. A 175mm belt costs about two hundred tons, looks like. At 1.1 quality as Maori armor is, that's effectively... 192.5mm.
Exactly. And your 15cm belt @ 1.1 is 16.5cm/7". I'd keep what ya got, anymore armor is overkill. She really only should worry about being immune to Swiss/Whoever's CL guns (5-7") which 10-12cm should do fine, especially @ 1.1. (11-13.2 effective).
like the pic on the last page - but really think it illustrates the design is too cramped - with the very poor arcs in particular for the twins right up against the funnels
how about dropping 1 twin amidships - better spacing will give equivalent firepower in many sitns for less weight - 12 gun main battery is still plenty and weight saved can be used for deeper belt or a knot more speed - either would be useful ;D