Because my creativity appears to be stiffled, I offer a design competition. Please design a ship that can be built with Romania's current tech, and that is 4,000-5,000 tons, for 1918. The winner will have his ship built, and will be payed a design fee of 1/10 of the price of the ship.
Interesting... anything specific you want?
Not really. It has to be able to clear the dock by 6 months, so don't propose a oiler or such. Otherwise, everything doable within my guns and techs is free game.
Here is a Study made by NUS Design Bureau for South America patrols with the new quad 9" turret & just 120m lenght.
5900t, NUS ACC laid down 1920 (Engine 1918)
Displacement:
5 900 t light; 6 265 t standard; 6 774 t normal; 7 181 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
393.70 ft / 393.70 ft x 65.62 ft x 20.67 ft (normal load)
120.00 m / 120.00 m x 20.00 m x 6.30 m
Armament:
8 - 9.20" / 234 mm guns (2x4 guns), 389.34lbs / 176.60kg shells, 1920 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, evenly spread
8 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (4x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1920 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
4 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1916 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1905 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3 379 lbs / 1 533 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 120
6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.72" / 120 mm 255.91 ft / 78.00 m 11.00 ft / 3.35 m
Ends: 1.57" / 40 mm 124.67 ft / 38.00 m 9.45 ft / 2.88 m
13.12 ft / 4.00 m Unarmoured ends
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 3.15" / 80 mm 4.72" / 120 mm
2nd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
4th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1.38" / 35 mm, Conning tower: 4.72" / 120 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 21 000 shp / 15 666 Kw = 22.85 kts
Range 7 000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 916 tons
Complement:
373 - 485
Cost:
£1.577 million / $6.309 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 422 tons, 6.2 %
Armour: 1 429 tons, 21.1 %
- Belts: 646 tons, 9.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 329 tons, 4.9 %
- Armour Deck: 418 tons, 6.2 %
- Conning Tower: 36 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 758 tons, 11.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 990 tons, 44.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 874 tons, 12.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 4.4 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
7 969 lbs / 3 615 Kg = 20.5 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
Metacentric height 3.1 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 15.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.60
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.444
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Forecastle (22 %): 17.06 ft / 5.20 m
- Mid (50 %): 13.78 ft / 4.20 m
- Quarterdeck (20 %): 13.78 ft / 4.20 m
- Stern: 13.78 ft / 4.20 m
- Average freeboard: 15.31 ft / 4.67 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 102.5 %
Waterplane Area: 16 399 Square feet or 1 523 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 125 lbs/sq ft or 608 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.90
- Longitudinal: 2.58
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Adjustements could be made for Romania specifs.
Nice 2nd class BB, Jef!
An all-purpose protected cruiser for screening heavy units, minelaying, or other stuff. Uses French guns noted to be in the Romanian inventory.
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1920 (Engine 1912)
Displacement:
4,874 t light; 5,066 t standard; 5,414 t normal; 5,694 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
492.13 ft / 492.13 ft x 49.21 ft x 17.39 ft (normal load)
150.00 m / 150.00 m x 15.00 m x 5.30 m
Armament:
3 - 6.50" / 165 mm guns in single mounts, 137.06lbs / 62.17kg shells, 1920 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, majority forward, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
2 - 6.50" / 165 mm guns in single mounts, 137.06lbs / 62.17kg shells, 1920 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
2 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.38lbs / 3.80kg shells, 1920 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1920 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 702 lbs / 318 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
4 - 18.0" / 457 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2.95" / 75 mm 393.70 ft / 120.00 m 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 123 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.98" / 25 mm -
2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.98" / 25 mm -
3rd: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
4th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
- Armour deck: 0.98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 1.97" / 50 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 42,000 shp / 31,332 Kw = 29.19 kts
Range 6,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 628 tons)
Complement:
315 - 410
Cost:
£1.132 million / $4.526 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 88 tons, 1.6 %
Armour: 867 tons, 16.0 %
- Belts: 537 tons, 9.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 36 tons, 0.7 %
- Armour Deck: 281 tons, 5.2 %
- Conning Tower: 13 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 1,675 tons, 30.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,027 tons, 37.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 541 tons, 10.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 217 tons, 4.0 %
-100 t: FC
-60 t: Sixty mines
-25 t: Long-range wireless
-16 t: Torpedoes
-16 t: Weight reserve
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
4,611 lbs / 2,092 Kg = 33.6 x 6.5 " / 165 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
Metacentric height 2.3 ft / 0.7 m
Roll period: 13.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.34
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.13
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.450
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.18 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21.33 ft / 6.50 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Mid (50 %): 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Stern: 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Average freeboard: 15.29 ft / 4.66 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 117.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 126.4 %
Waterplane Area: 15,448 Square feet or 1,435 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 81 lbs/sq ft or 396 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.32
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Anything else?
The CSA is debating a design... but it is incomplete ATM.
And here it is...
The vessel is a coastal cruiser. It uses only preexisting guns that would otherwise be rusting away in a warehouse somewhere, speeding and cheapening construction somewhat. It is small, light and well-protected for its size. Perhaps most importantly for Romania, it boasts a shallow draft and carries a large amount of firepower to support ground troops.
It does lack any anti-aircraft weapons... but Romania could easily alter this design to accommodate any type of AA weapon they desire by trading the extra 25 n. mi. of range to compensate for the weight.
Romanian Coastal Cruiser, laid down 1919 (Engine 1915)
Displacement:
3,600 t light; 3,765 t standard; 4,070 t normal; 4,314 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
375.00 ft / 375.00 ft x 50.00 ft x 16.00 ft (normal load)
114.30 m / 114.30 m x 15.24 m x 4.88 m
Armament:
6 - 6.50" / 165 mm guns (3x2 guns), 145.00lbs / 65.77kg shells, 1919 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
8 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.00lbs / 5.44kg shells, 1919 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 966 lbs / 438 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.00" / 102 mm 200.00 ft / 60.96 m 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 82 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 4.00" / 102 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 4.00" / 102 mm
- Armour deck: 1.50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 4.00" / 102 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 16,000 shp / 11,936 Kw = 23.06 kts
Range 5,025nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 550 tons
Complement:
254 - 331
Cost:
£0.668 million / $2.670 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 113 tons, 2.8 %
Armour: 1,089 tons, 26.7 %
- Belts: 498 tons, 12.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 230 tons, 5.6 %
- Armour Deck: 339 tons, 8.3 %
- Conning Tower: 22 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 606 tons, 14.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,630 tons, 40.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 470 tons, 11.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 162 tons, 4.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
6,375 lbs / 2,892 Kg = 46.5 x 6.5 " / 165 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
Metacentric height 2.0 ft / 0.6 m
Roll period: 14.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.52
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.37
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.475
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.36 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Mid (40 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m (12.00 ft / 3.66 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (20 %): 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Stern: 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Average freeboard: 15.58 ft / 4.75 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 75.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 105.9 %
Waterplane Area: 12,215 Square feet or 1,135 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 121 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 85 lbs/sq ft or 415 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.92
- Longitudinal: 2.10
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Tex, you may wish to give us a few days. I, for one, am rather pre-occupied at the moment.
Carthaginian, I have 1912 engines. Also, if you increase the weight to 4,500 tons, can you get the speed to 28 knots?
Quote from: TexanCowboy on February 03, 2010, 03:25:12 PM
Carthaginian, I have 1912 engines. Also, if you increase the weight to 4,500 tons, can you get the speed to 28 knots?
Lemmie see...Regretfully, no... not as the hull exists now, and surely not with 1912 engines. I can get the speed up to 25 knots without much in the way of modifications or losses, but this ship is pretty much a low-speed design. Again, it's not built for flying around the open sea- it's made for covering a relatively short coastline effectively and efficiently. Glitz and glamor aren't exactly it's strong points.
Here's the modified version for consideration. Armor drops to 3" all around, with a 1 1/2" deck to protect against any medium caliber shore defenses. Miscellaneous Weight allows for fire control, a long-range wireless, 6x21" torpedoes (2t each, lighter torps can be substituted) and a little weight to spare for sprucing up the commander's cabin. The CSA would construct the 1915 turbines, if necessary, to allow for the increased SHP needed.
Romanian Coastal Cruiser, laid down 1919 (Engine 1915)
Displacement:
3,650 t light; 3,816 t standard; 4,124 t normal; 4,370 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
380.00 ft / 380.00 ft x 50.00 ft x 16.00 ft (normal load)
115.82 m / 115.82 m x 15.24 m x 4.88 m
Armament:
6 - 6.50" / 165 mm guns (3x2 guns), 145.00lbs / 65.77kg shells, 1919 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
8 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.00lbs / 5.44kg shells, 1919 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 966 lbs / 438 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 200.00 ft / 60.96 m 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 81 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 3.00" / 76 mm 3.00" / 76 mm
- Armour deck: 1.50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 3.00" / 76 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,179 shp / 16,545 Kw = 25.00 kts
Range 5,025nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 554 tons
Complement:
256 - 334
Cost:
£0.743 million / $2.972 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 113 tons, 2.7 %
Armour: 906 tons, 22.0 %
- Belts: 374 tons, 9.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 172 tons, 4.2 %
- Armour Deck: 343 tons, 8.3 %
- Conning Tower: 17 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 840 tons, 20.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,645 tons, 39.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 474 tons, 11.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 145 tons, 3.5 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
5,228 lbs / 2,371 Kg = 38.1 x 6.5 " / 165 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.06
Metacentric height 2.0 ft / 0.6 m
Roll period: 15.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.53
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.15
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.475
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.60 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.49 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 61
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Mid (40 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m (12.00 ft / 3.66 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (20 %): 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Stern: 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Average freeboard: 15.58 ft / 4.75 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 106.9 %
Waterplane Area: 12,377 Square feet or 1,150 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 85 lbs/sq ft or 413 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.92
- Longitudinal: 2.04
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
But there are no 1915 turbines...there are 1912, and 1916. But I would not object to 1916! :)
DRAT... my absence is showing... shall return momentarily to fix.
Quote from: TexanCowboy on February 03, 2010, 03:25:12 PM
Carthaginian, I have 1912 engines. Also, if you increase the weight to 4,500 tons, can you get the speed to 28 knots?
My [/i]Breslau[/i] class runs 4,999t, 1912 engines and 28kts. A non-coalfiring & casements, 3x2 ship should be able to hit those above specs. ... note that this is just observation as Bavaria is not going to even consider dealing with Rumania.
Quote from: Kaiser Kirk on February 03, 2010, 06:40:29 PM
Quote from: TexanCowboy on February 03, 2010, 03:25:12 PM
Carthaginian, I have 1912 engines. Also, if you increase the weight to 4,500 tons, can you get the speed to 28 knots?
My [/i]Breslau[/i] class runs 4,999t, 1912 engines and 28kts. A non-coalfiring & casements, 3x2 ship should be able to hit those above specs. ... note that this is just observation as Bavaria is not going to even consider dealing with Rumania.
Oh, no doubt that it COULD be done.
I said it couldn't be done on the hull I had posted.
The CSA is wary of selling Romania 'too much candy for a dime' in this situation.
QuoteVarnia, Romanian protected cruiser laid down 1919 (Engine 1912)
Displacement:
5.000 t light; 5.245 t standard; 5.973 t normal; 6.555 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
472,44 ft / 469,16 ft x 49,21 ft x 18,70 ft (normal load)
144,00 m / 143,00 m x 15,00 m x 5,70 m
Armament:
8 - 6,50" / 165 mm guns (4x2 guns), 143,30lbs / 65,00kg shells, 1919 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35,32lbs / 16,02kg shells, 1919 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
2 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1919 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1.291 lbs / 585 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 170
6 - 20,0" / 508 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3,50" / 89 mm 304,95 ft / 92,95 m 14,00 ft / 4,27 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2,00" / 51 mm 1,00" / 25 mm 3,00" / 76 mm
2nd: 1,00" / 25 mm 1,00" / 25 mm -
3rd: 0,50" / 13 mm 0,50" / 13 mm -
- Armour deck: 1,50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 3,00" / 76 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 34.009 shp / 25.371 Kw = 27,00 kts
Range 6.000nm at 14,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1.310 tons
Complement:
339 - 441
Cost:
£1,080 million / $4,321 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 155 tons, 2,6%
Armour: 1.134 tons, 19,0%
- Belts: 624 tons, 10,4%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armament: 68 tons, 1,1%
- Armour Deck: 421 tons, 7,0%
- Conning Tower: 21 tons, 0,4%
Machinery: 1.356 tons, 22,7%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2.155 tons, 36,1%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 973 tons, 16,3%
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 3,3%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
6.776 lbs / 3.074 Kg = 49,4 x 6,5 " / 165 mm shells or 1,2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,13
Metacentric height 2,2 ft / 0,7 m
Roll period: 14,0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,63
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,22
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,484
Length to Beam Ratio: 9,53 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21,66 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 23,95 ft / 7,30 m
- Forecastle (20%): 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Mid (50%): 14,76 ft / 4,50 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 14,76 ft / 4,50 m
- Stern: 14,76 ft / 4,50 m
- Average freeboard: 15,94 ft / 4,86 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 98,1%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 108,1%
Waterplane Area: 15.166 Square feet or 1.409 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 86 lbs/sq ft or 419 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,95
- Longitudinal: 1,54
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
100 tons FC
25 tons long range marconi
12 ton torpedo's (1 in the tubes, 1 reload)
13 ton depth charges 3 stern racks with 13 charges each
50 ton not assigned.
I only have 6 6.5'' guns...and those are singles.
Ok, will adjust.
QuoteVarnia, Romanian protected cruiser laid down 1919 (Engine 1912)
Displacement:
5.000 t light; 5.250 t standard; 5.978 t normal; 6.561 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
472,44 ft / 469,16 ft x 49,21 ft x 18,70 ft (normal load)
144,00 m / 143,00 m x 15,00 m x 5,70 m
Armament:
4 - 6,50" / 165 mm guns in single mounts, 143,30lbs / 65,00kg shells, 1919 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
2 - 6,50" / 165 mm guns in single mounts, 143,30lbs / 65,00kg shells, 1919 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
10 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 37,48lbs / 17,00kg shells, 1919 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
6 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
2 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1919 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1.238 lbs / 561 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 170
6 - 20,0" / 508 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3,75" / 95 mm 300,26 ft / 91,52 m 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 98% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2,00" / 51 mm 1,00" / 25 mm 3,00" / 76 mm
2nd: 2,00" / 51 mm 1,00" / 25 mm 3,00" / 76 mm
3rd: 0,50" / 13 mm 0,50" / 13 mm -
- Armour deck: 1,50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 3,00" / 76 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 34.032 shp / 25.388 Kw = 27,00 kts
Range 6.000nm at 14,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1.311 tons
Complement:
339 - 441
Cost:
£1,066 million / $4,265 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 147 tons, 2,5%
Armour: 1.208 tons, 20,2%
- Belts: 707 tons, 11,8%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armament: 58 tons, 1,0%
- Armour Deck: 421 tons, 7,0%
- Conning Tower: 21 tons, 0,4%
Machinery: 1.357 tons, 22,7%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2.088 tons, 34,9%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 978 tons, 16,4%
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 3,3%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
6.931 lbs / 3.144 Kg = 50,6 x 6,5 " / 165 mm shells or 1,2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,16
Metacentric height 2,3 ft / 0,7 m
Roll period: 13,7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,51
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,25
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,485
Length to Beam Ratio: 9,53 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21,66 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 23,95 ft / 7,30 m
- Forecastle (20%): 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Mid (50%): 14,76 ft / 4,50 m
- Quarterdeck (16%): 14,76 ft / 4,50 m
- Stern: 14,76 ft / 4,50 m
- Average freeboard: 15,94 ft / 4,86 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 97,2%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 108,2%
Waterplane Area: 15.171 Square feet or 1.409 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 83 lbs/sq ft or 406 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,95
- Longitudinal: 1,53
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
100 tons FC
25 tons long range marconi
12 ton torpedo's (1 in the tubes, 1 reload)
13 ton depth charges 3 stern racks with 13 charges each
50 ton not assigned.
For now, Rocky's design is winning. I'll probebly tinker with it a little bit, give it a extra 250 tons and see if I can get it up to 30 knots.
Using Romanian tech is the drawback that is keeping NS from entering. I could offer a Romaniazed version of the Manta class seen below, I would have to build it for you, but if your up for it.
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=4481.0
I'm giving this 1 more day. I really need to churn out the 1918 H1 report.
By-product of certain battleship-stealing schemes that shall go unnamed: a high-speed attack transport optimized for sprints around the Black Sea. Modest battery for self-defence or fire support.
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1912
Displacement:
5,244 t light; 5,387 t standard; 5,903 t normal; 6,315 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
429.98 ft / 426.51 ft x 65.62 ft x 14.76 ft (normal load)
131.06 m / 130.00 m x 20.00 m x 4.50 m
Armament:
4 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 52.72lbs / 23.92kg shells, 1912 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread
1 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.38lbs / 3.80kg shells, 1912 Model
Anti-aircraft gun in deck mount
on side, 1 raised gun
4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1912 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 219 lbs / 99 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.39" / 10 mm 0.98" / 25 mm
3rd: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
4th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
- Conning tower: 2.95" / 75 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 44,037 shp / 32,852 Kw = 28.00 kts
Range 600nm at 28.00 kts (Bunkerage = 928 tons)
Complement:
336 - 437
Cost:
£0.452 million / $1.810 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 27 tons, 0.5 %
Armour: 30 tons, 0.5 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 10 tons, 0.2 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 21 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1,756 tons, 29.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,230 tons, 37.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 659 tons, 11.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 1,200 tons, 20.3 %
-800 t: 400 passengers/pirates/raiders
-200 t: Extra boats
-100 t: Cargo (artillery, stores, whatever)
-50 t: Weight Reserve
-25 t: L/R Wireless
-25 t: TB FC
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
6,141 lbs / 2,786 Kg = 116.5 x 4.7 " / 120 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.26
Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 13.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.04
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.01
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.50 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 20.65 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Stern: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Average freeboard: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 122.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 208.1 %
Waterplane Area: 18,647 Square feet or 1,732 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 119 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 83 lbs/sq ft or 406 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 2.06
- Overall: 1.01
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Brandenburg could be persuaded to lay down an additional KK1917 for sale to Rumania
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd42/Sachmle/KK1917-1.png)
And improved layout of the 15cm guns allows for 7 to fire on the broadside and 4 to either fore or aft.
KK 1917, Brandenburg Kliener Kruezer laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)
Displacement:
5,475 t light; 5,764 t standard; 6,699 t normal; 7,447 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
531.51 ft / 525.59 ft x 52.56 ft x 17.32 ft (normal load)
162.00 m / 160.20 m x 16.02 m x 5.28 m
Armament:
4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1908 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
6 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1908 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
2 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.86lbs / 1.75kg shells, 1917 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1917 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 0.30" / 7.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1917 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,006 lbs / 456 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 250
4 - 19.7" / 500 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm 362.04 ft / 110.35 m 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 106 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.95" / 75 mm 0.98" / 25 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
2nd: 2.95" / 75 mm 0.98" / 25 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
- Armour deck: 0.98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 2.95" / 75 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 48,000 shp / 35,808 Kw = 29.26 kts
Range 8,500nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,684 tons
Complement:
369 - 481
Cost:
£1.003 million / $4.011 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 130 tons, 1.9 %
Armour: 918 tons, 13.7 %
- Belts: 482 tons, 7.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 81 tons, 1.2 %
- Armour Deck: 332 tons, 5.0 %
- Conning Tower: 23 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 1,788 tons, 26.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,454 tons, 36.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,224 tons, 18.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 184 tons, 2.7 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
7,313 lbs / 3,317 Kg = 71.0 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.22
Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 13.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.36
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.17
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.490
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.93 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 14.45 degrees
Stern overhang: -4.10 ft / -1.25 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 21.33 ft / 6.50 m (20.34 ft / 6.20 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 20.01 ft / 6.10 m (12.01 ft / 3.66 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 12.01 ft / 3.66 m
- Stern: 12.01 ft / 3.66 m
- Average freeboard: 16.45 ft / 5.02 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 106.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 135.5 %
Waterplane Area: 18,239 Square feet or 1,694 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 85 lbs/sq ft or 416 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.20
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
100t FC
25t Sehendes Auge
25t Markoni Installation
30t Mines x 30
4t Torpedoes x 4 50cm
Design Bureau Kiel has forwarded the following variant of the KK-1917 class for export purposes. She uses Rumanian issue weapons (70t is the weight of the guns) and less advanced engines (1912) for ease of operation for Rumania.
KK 1917-export, Brandenburg Kliener Kruezer laid down 1919 (Engine 1912)
Displacement:
4,998 t light; 5,219 t standard; 5,735 t normal; 6,147 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
498.70 ft / 492.78 ft x 49.28 ft x 16.40 ft (normal load)
152.00 m / 150.20 m x 15.02 m x 5.00 m
Armament:
4 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 63.87lbs / 28.97kg shells, 1902 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
6 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 63.87lbs / 28.97kg shells, 1902 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
2 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.00lbs / 5.44kg shells, 1917 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns in single mounts, 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1917 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1917 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 671 lbs / 304 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 250
4 - 19.7" / 500 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm 407.41 ft / 124.18 m 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 127 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.98" / 25 mm -
2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.98" / 25 mm -
- Armour deck: 0.98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 2.95" / 75 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 50,000 shp / 37,300 Kw = 30.02 kts
Range 6,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 928 tons
Complement:
329 - 428
Cost:
£0.932 million / $3.727 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 70 tons, 1.2 %
Armour: 840 tons, 14.6 %
- Belts: 476 tons, 8.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 48 tons, 0.8 %
- Armour Deck: 296 tons, 5.2 %
- Conning Tower: 20 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1,994 tons, 34.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,937 tons, 33.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 737 tons, 12.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 159 tons, 2.8 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
4,634 lbs / 2,102 Kg = 87.9 x 4.7 " / 120 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.29
Metacentric height 2.7 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 12.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.15
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.11
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.504
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.20 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 14.45 degrees
Stern overhang: -4.10 ft / -1.25 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 21.33 ft / 6.50 m (20.34 ft / 6.20 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 20.01 ft / 6.10 m (12.01 ft / 3.66 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 12.01 ft / 3.66 m
- Stern: 12.01 ft / 3.66 m
- Average freeboard: 16.45 ft / 5.02 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 126.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 133.5 %
Waterplane Area: 16,237 Square feet or 1,508 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 74 lbs/sq ft or 362 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.27
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
100t FC
25t Markoni Installation
30t Mines x 30
4t Torpedoes x 4 50cm
I prefer to use the 5'' gun on my ships. It is a 1902 design, as opposed to a 1892 one, and has a better RoF.
Rocky...interesting. That could be built to civilian standards. And I would still have enough BP left over to build Carthginian's design. MWAHAHAHA....
Samchle. Sorry, lack of cash. I really, really like the design, but....wait. I don't have to expand my drydock to a Type 3. I may actually do a combination of your's and Rockies designs.
Given the speed of the design I posted, I'm not sure civilian standards would be appropriate. But that's to be determined.
I don't think you need anything more than a Type 2 slip/dock for any of the designs here...
I was actually planning on getting a Type 3 DD so that I could repair some designs I'm trying to get built aboard.
Winner judgeing time! Congragulations, DKB KK 1917-export and Attack Transport(if I can build it to mechantile standards). You are our lucky winners! I'll be doing a little work with the DKB cruiser to make it 5'' guns and not 4.72'', but it is still the winner!
The Confederate design was rejected because of the lack of speed. With the Ukrainian battlecruiser's, more speed was deemed nessasary. Also, the Romanian's do not have twin turrets for it.
The NUS design was rejected because of it's fairly weak armour compared to broadside. Also, Romania fails to have either quad turrets or 1918 engines, and the BC on this ship was deemed to be much too low. (.444?)
The Gran Columbian cruiser design was rejected because Romania lack's effective mines, and because the 6.5'' guns were deemed to have too slow of a turning rate for a non-powered mount.
The French design was rejected for similar reason's relating to the 6.5'' gun. The 6.5'' gun is deemed to not have enough of a turning speed to effectively sink fast, small ships. We also have concerns over the 4'' gun, which Romania doesn't have without scrapping the Pluches.
As if France won't deliver enough 4" , 5.5" or 6.5" guns to last Romania a lifetime?
awww I had just decided Rohan could offer a Wind Class CL. Oh well =P
Wind class?
Quote from: TexanCowboy on February 06, 2010, 12:15:39 PM
Wind class?
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=4205.msg52091#msg52091
Rejected because I don't have twin mounts, I don't have a good 6'' gun, and I don't have 1916 engines. It needs to be homebuilt to give my engineers something to do.
Quote from: TexanCowboy on February 06, 2010, 12:30:28 PM
Rejected because I don't have twin mounts, I don't have a good 6'' gun, and I don't have 1916 engines. It needs to be homebuilt to give my engineers something to do.
Lisence build, Import, there are TONs of ways around not having somthing =P
I need to use my BP, that's why I'm doing this...
Quote from: TexanCowboy on February 06, 2010, 12:35:25 PM
I need to use my BP, that's why I'm doing this...
if for example you orderd the engines from Rohan you would provide us with 4,000 tons of hull plating for a Wind Class CL (example) and we would provide you with a 4,000 ton engine (all weights hypothetical just for an example).
I would prefer not to go there. I don't really want to power game or try and circumgate the rules.
Quote from: TexanCowboy on February 06, 2010, 12:43:27 PM
I would prefer not to go there. I don't really want to power game or try and circumgate the rules.
it actualy used to be quite common (UNK built all of Frances Turbines for quite a long time) as far as I know its still totaly acceptable. Just somthing for you to consider realy.
Quote from: Tanthalas on February 06, 2010, 12:48:15 PM
Quote from: TexanCowboy on February 06, 2010, 12:43:27 PM
I would prefer not to go there. I don't really want to power game or try and circumgate the rules.
it actualy used to be quite common (UNK built all of Frances Turbines for quite a long time) as far as I know its still totaly acceptable. Just somthing for you to consider realy.
In exchange for the turbines France made all the main guns and even turrets for the UNK. In effect, Earl 822 and me calculated it so it evened out.
But since 1909, France can build her own turbines, and shared the gun tech with the UNK.
Yeah Mario I knew that was yalls exchange, I was just using Hull plating as an example of somthing that could be exchanged. Admitedly the nation suplying the Turbines would likley want to turn a proffit on them, and I know that some trades of this type still happen in the Nverse.