So, in a blatant effort to earn more brownie-points for the bi-annual goodie sweeps - and because I'm kinda bored without much construction of my own at the moment - I'd like to make y'all an offer.
Pick a ship under construction in your dockyards, and I'll put together a drawing of it. First come, first served, no further negotiations.
Edited to add: Status Update -
1. Maddox: COMPLETE
2. MikeTR: COMPLETE
3. Nobody: COMPLETE
4. TexanCowboy: IN PROGRESS
5: CTWaterman: WAITING
I'm sending you a special one.
For either one of these designs.
Armored Cruiser
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=673.msg48000#msg48000
or Destroyer (the 1,000 ton design)
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=2298.msg50092#msg50092
Mike
I would be sending you some requests, if I wasn't in the same boat as you. Plenty of time on my hands but limited internet access...
Current Project List
1. Maddox: ONGOING (Revision D)
2. MikeTR: WAITING
3. Nobody: WAITING
4. TexanCowboy: WAITING
5: empty
Well if you really feel like it I could use a Drawing of the Italian V Class Armored Cruisers...
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=1368.msg30958#msg30958
Charles
The prelim drawings on the Eclair Class escort cruiser are looking promising.
Keep up the good work Valles.
Updated to reflect my roughing out Mike's CA.
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c386/valles_uf/VVV1-Eclair-i.png)
Armored Cruiser Eclair: Complete!
Now I have to develop those tripple 140mm turrets...
Great job. She's a real Nverse French Queen of the 7 Seas.
I like the concept with much turrets.
A nice super cruiser - Certainly interresting to 1/700WL scratch. ;)
Jef ;)
21 guns ... ooooh! aaaaah!
The SS file for Eclair.
QuoteEclair, French Light cruiser laid down 1919 (Engine 1916)
Displacement:
14.000 t light; 14.553 t standard; 16.794 t normal; 18.587 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
692,26 ft / 688,98 ft x 65,62 ft x 26,25 ft (normal load)
211,00 m / 210,00 m x 20,00 m x 8,00 m
Armament:
21 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns (7x3 guns), 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1919 Model
Quick firing guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, evenly spread, 3 raised mounts
4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1919 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1.951 lbs / 885 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3,00" / 76 mm 499,51 ft / 152,25 m 17,00 ft / 5,18 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 112% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 4,00" / 102 mm 2,00" / 51 mm 3,25" / 83 mm
2nd: 0,50" / 13 mm 0,50" / 13 mm -
- Armour deck: 1,50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 4,00" / 102 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 138.346 shp / 103.206 Kw = 34,00 kts
Range 9.000nm at 16,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4.034 tons
Complement:
736 - 958
Cost:
£3,022 million / $12,089 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 221 tons, 1,3%
Armour: 2.464 tons, 14,7%
- Belts: 1.039 tons, 6,2%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armament: 535 tons, 3,2%
- Armour Deck: 832 tons, 5,0%
- Conning Tower: 57 tons, 0,3%
Machinery: 5.071 tons, 30,2%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5.894 tons, 35,1%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.794 tons, 16,6%
Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 2,1%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
15.686 lbs / 7.115 Kg = 187,4 x 5,5 " / 140 mm shells or 1,6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,12
Metacentric height 3,3 ft / 1,0 m
Roll period: 15,1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,46
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,21
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck
Block coefficient: 0,495
Length to Beam Ratio: 10,50 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26,25 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29,53 ft / 9,00 m
- Forecastle (16%): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Mid (50%): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Quarterdeck (12%): 18,04 ft / 5,50 m (22,97 ft / 7,00 m before break)
- Stern: 18,04 ft / 5,50 m
- Average freeboard: 22,78 ft / 6,94 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 111,0%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 178,3%
Waterplane Area: 29.995 Square feet or 2.787 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 114 lbs/sq ft or 557 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,97
- Longitudinal: 1,39
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
250 tons fire control
25 tons ERADe
25 tons long range marconi
50 tons crew comfort
Looks like a tasty treat.
Hey, Rocky, do you still have the springstyle folder for the 3x5 6'' gunned ship at WW?
Amongst the thousands of other SS files, probably. Why?
Intersting ship...and has just enough predreadnought/semi-dreadnought era French in it to be "ugly".
Thanks. She's the ultimate escort cruiser for the battleline. DD's will fear her.
Quote from: maddox on March 14, 2010, 06:12:46 PM
Thanks. She's the ultimate escort cruiser for the battleline. DD's will fear her.
Yes they will, until something like a CA or BC puts a 9-15" shell or 2 in her and all those magazines go *POOF*
Well, for one reason or another, a CA or BC that're bothering to range on her aren't shooting at anything bigger and more valuable, so either that's a good thing, or it's a wash, isn't it?
Depends on how many Eclairs there are and what other screens are out there. If there's only 1 Eclair and 2-4 Demarce screening a few BBs then taking out the Eclair opens the battleline up to torpedo attack much easier than sinking 2-4 Demarces. I understand that 1 14k ship will be better then 2 7k ships, but it, no matter how many guns, can only be in 1 place at a time.
You could always do what the Italians were thinking about in one of those slow Pre-Dread refits, the one with 2 12'' and some 8'' guns. They were going to replace everything with 3-4'' guns for port assualt. That would be useful.
Quite possibly people've noticed that I haven't been doing any drawing lately; partly, this is due to class, and more to Mass Effect 2, but I actually have been working on something - a design that jumped into my brain and declined to leave until 'produced'.
Probably this is what my N4 dreadnought-era battleships will look like.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c386/valles_uf/Dragon-c-1.png
1 hit amidships and 9 secundaries are gone.
Leaving only nine more on that side. ^_^
The followup class will probably spring for (lightly) armored floors and bulkheads separating each gun to try and cut down on things like that, as well as adding torpedo bulkheads, and further followups will go to enclosed mount-and-hoist.
No, this effort is not, in fact, dead.
BEHOLD!
The Iberian CABRAL Class Armored Cruiser!
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c386/valles_uf/VVV2-DonJuan-h.png?t=1282014342
On the turrets... I'd leave a few more pixels next to the gun, by the pics there's no place to put the trunnions - unless way back, but then you'd need to cut off too much from the faceplate to accommodate gun elevation - unless it's an evil Maori plan to stop the Armada. :P
*facepalm* Point.
*fixes*
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c386/valles_uf/VVV2-DonJuan-i.png?t=1282023867
Up for some more customers? Mainly those of us less inclined to artistic things (points to self) ;D
Looking great Valles.
May I ask how my L21, in the meantime named BB-1 "Kaap Delgado" is coming along? Last time I saw her she was looking very promising.
I'll be digging out the old PMs and going back to work on her tomorrow. It's a bit late to get into that right now. ^_^;
Quote from: Valles on August 17, 2010, 01:24:46 AM
I'll be digging out the old PMs and going back to work on her tomorrow. It's a bit late to get into that right now. ^_^;
Yea! :)
Late? It's nine o'clock in the morning ^^.
Well, since Nobody suggested putting the draft version out for commentary rather than completing it in secret, here's the latest draft of his L21 design:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c386/valles_uf/VVV3-L21-f.png
This draft -
- 1st try at the motor launch
- launching gear added
- 15cm guns beefed up visually, and no, as far as I can tell that really is how long they should be in-scale
- breakwaters tweaked, fourth and widest added
- turret width tweaked
- bridge layout tweaked
- funnels swapped from twin to single/trunked design
Still to-do -
- finish the boats
- generate and place portholes
- paint and markings
- anchors and paraphernalia for same
FWIW, my version of the 2T4x16" Orange BB looked like this:
(http://i43.tinypic.com/25yudrs.png)
Simple & effective, not too heavy.
a good concept
Jef
I question the usable beam. It has a ~100' beam with quad 16" guns and a TB. I'm not quite sure how the space was managed.
Beam was scaled-up from the Normandie design.
... I imagine...
170mx35....
So, a 22kts BB .
Jef
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c386/valles_uf/VVV3-L21-g.png)
This draft:
- Anchoring.
- "Orangeness", design elements notable in P3D's drawing that didn't entail reworking already 'frozen' sections.
- Boats Ready!
To-Do:
- Portholes
- Color
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c386/valles_uf/VVV3-L21-h.png)
This Draft:
- Portholes, doors, ladders
- Color
To Do:
- Acceptance Trials
Wow.
*speachless*
On third thoughts, four anchors on the bow and none aft?
Ping!
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c386/valles_uf/VVV3-L21-i.png)
Why portholes below the secundaries amidships?
I toyed around a bit with the wave-breakers (top view only), hope you don't mind Valles.
I think this could look better if done correctly.
Very nice Valles. Turrets look a little too square from above, but meh.