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Title: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: The Rock Doctor on November 15, 2009, 06:04:01 AM
January 2, 1918:  Cartagena

"The DKB is putting Goa on sale", Eduard Torres advised the President and his fellow ministers.  "I have dispatched a man from our embassy in Neue Brandenburg to assess the province, although I do not know how quickly a sale may take place."

"We've mused about Goa in the past", President Alizandro said.  "My recollection is that the province is  well developed, but vulnerable to Bharati aggression."

"Essentially correct", Torres said.  "There are rumors that the DKB has been looking to rid itself of Goa - in a profitable manner - since the Kolkata War.  The Brandenburgers appear to view Kolkata as a portent of things to come, and prefer to cut their losses."

"What does it have to offer?"

"Primarily mining - iron and manganese", Torres replied.  "There some specialty timber and rice production, but mining is the foundation of the local economy."

"And how difficult would it be to defend it if Bharat were to attack?"

"The city itself has extensive but dated fortifications; these could be upgraded.  Given the province's limited size and its geography, General Geolog thought it could be a tough nut to crack - but that, if Bharat was willing to shed enough blood, the nut would get cracked.  He and Admiral de Irujo have a team examining this question at the moment", Sir Edmund Fitzroy stated.

"I'll need to see that report very soon", Rey observed.  "Assuming we decide to make a bid, who might we be competing with?"

"Bharat would have to be considered a candidate, although they are still paying for Kolkata", Torres said.  "France is a possibility, despite the apparent illogic of it.  Our European friends may be interested.  As for others, it is difficult to say.  I understand that DKB has received a substantial bid, but I have no details about who presented it."

"We should put a marker down that we're considering an offer, so DKB is aware of it.  And we need to talk with our allies to get their views", Rey said.  "I'm leery, since we're still digesting Zaire and Montana, but turn-key opportunities like this won't come along very often." 
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: The Rock Doctor on November 20, 2009, 08:44:07 PM
9 January 1918:  Cartagena

"That's a hell of a trip", Aquileo Alizandro observed as he examined the itinerary for his cousin's round-the-world trip.

"Eight months and change", Rey replied.  "No sense in having a yacht if I'm not going to use it."

"You're taking the whole family?"

"Absolutely.  The cruising will be good for their schooling, and the visits will be good experience."  The president examined the itinerary further.  "Granted, Jose will reach his majority somewhere off the western coast of Africa, but it's not like he had plans."

"For Christ's sake...", Aquileo muttered.

"What?"

"You need to ease up on him, Rey", Aquileo said.  

"I beg your pardon?", Rey responded.  

"You need to stop acting like there's something wrong with him.  There isn't - yet - but if you keep nagging him about his interversion, there will be."

Rey glared at his cousin.  "I don't recall asking for your parenting advice, Aquileo."

"Irrelevant", Aquileo said dismissively.  "The moment Jose steps off that ship in Cartagena, he's the Successor.  He's a heartbeat away from the Presidency.  He can not properly lead this nation if he doubts himself, which is what your behaviour is doing to him."

"I'm not going to change how I raise my son", Rey stated.  "Back to the issue at hand.  You're going to act for me in our absence.  Do you have any questions about anything?"

Aquileo scowled at Rey for several long, quiet, seconds.  "Yes", he said.  "Are you taking an escort?"

"One of the newest cruisers will be coming along the whole way.  De Irujo will hate it, but it can match the yacht for range."

"Alright", Aquileo replied.  "Eduard noted that there were mutterings out of Richmond about some kind of arms control conference.  If one happens, does Eduard go?"

"He can attend exploratory discussions", Rey said.  "Nothing further until we know more."

"Are we recognizing Villa's government in Mesoamerica?"

"We'll let them ask for representation here first", Rey replied.  "Anything else?"

"No", Aquileo said.

"Fine.  See you at Friday's cabinet meeting."




The Alizandro World Tour 1918:  
QuoteDepart Cartagena:  4 February
Arrive Cayenne:  7 February
Depart Cayenne:  9 February
Arrive Bom Liete:  19 February
Depart Bom Liete:  20 February
Arrive Matadi:  28 February
Depart Matadi:  4 March
Arrive Cadiz:  18 March
Depart Cadiz:  21 March
Arrive Malta:  24 March
Depart Malta:  27 March
Arrive Port Said:  31 March
Depart Port Said: 5 April
Arrive Tel Aviv:  15 April
Depart Tel Aviv:  17 April
Arrive Ciudad Alberto:  25 April
Depart Ciudad Alberto:  30 April
Arrive Dar-es-Salaam:  10 May
Depart Dar-es-Salaam:  12 May
Arrive Rangoon:  30 May
Depart Rangoon:  2 June
Arrive Hainan:  5 June
Depart Hainan:  8 June
Arrive Guangzhou:  10 June
Depart Guangzhou:  13 June
Arrive Manila:  15 June
Depart Manila:  17 June
Arrive Neue Brandenburg:  30 June
Depart Neue Brandenburg:  4 July
Arrive Papeete:  17 July
Depart Papeete:  20 July
Arrive Valparaiso:  11 August
Depart Valparaiso: 14 August
Arrive Buenos Aires:  28 August
Depart Buenos Aires:  1 September
Arrive Recife:  10 September
Depart Recife:  12 September
Arrive Cartagena:  22 September

OOC:  I've guessed at transit times - can't be bothered to model it out, but it sounds about right.  Additional stops along the basic route, or more elaborate detours towards the tail end of the trip, can be arranged.
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: Logi on November 21, 2009, 04:16:28 PM
OOC: New capital's Guangzhou and the offered meeting place was Guangzhou; just in case you forgot.
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: The Rock Doctor on November 21, 2009, 07:37:36 PM
I guess I did.  I'll adjust.
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: Walter on November 22, 2009, 12:52:46 AM
QuoteNew capital's Guangzhou and the offered meeting place was Guangzhou; just in case you forgot.
You're suggesting that the GC ships should be dragged onto land and all the way to Guangzhou? I guess that's why you need all those tractors. ;D
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: The Rock Doctor on November 22, 2009, 05:29:41 AM
I understand it to be a river port - the yacht could likely make it there.  If not, then it docks at the coast and everybody takes a train.
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: Logi on November 22, 2009, 06:36:12 AM
OOC: No, I've looked at map and it seems the Pearl River Delta at Guangzhou is 15 meters deep. Deep enough for your typical battleship.

However that's only the channel to Guangzhou, the tributaries are pretty shallow.
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: The Rock Doctor on November 22, 2009, 06:56:02 AM
Shouldn't be a problem, then - no plans to go sight-seeing up the tributaries.
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: The Rock Doctor on November 22, 2009, 07:12:59 AM
28 Feburary 1918:  La Prensa Nacional

QuoteThe First Family's world tour is making its first major stop.  Following brief calls at Cayenne and Bom Liete, the Libertad and its naval escort arrived at Matadi, Zaire this morning. 

The President was greeted by a small but enthusiastic crowd, mostly recent Colombian immigrants, and joined the Vice-President in an inspection of an honor guard, before being whisked away to an afternoon of meetings at the government's offices.  The First Family joined the Vice-President's wife and child ashore to tour the town and will join the two gentlemen for dinner.

The First Family will travel by train to Ciudad Leopold tomorrow, where they will participate in a ceremonial sod-turning for the new river port being built on the Congo.  Visits to local plantations are also planned, with the tour concluding with an inspection of the naval base at Banana.
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: The Rock Doctor on November 24, 2009, 06:19:45 PM
18 March 1918:  La Prensa Nacional

QuoteThe presidential yacht Libertad has arrived in Cadiz, Iberia, where President Alizandro and his family will spend three days before carrying on to Malta.

Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: The Rock Doctor on November 25, 2009, 09:02:39 AM
19 March 1918:  Cadiz

President and Senora Alizandro were sitting in lounge chairs beside Libertad's swimming pool, watching the girls swim.  It had been a productive day of meetings with the Emperor and his government, discussing among other matters, trade, the unification of Peru and NUS, and the recent Confederate claim to a large sector of Antarctica. 

"So the military thinks this is a ploy to establish a base of operations in the deep south?", Senora Alizandro inquired, sipping from her margarita.

"Yes.  Naturally, the Confederates could use some search and rescue capabilities down there, much like anybody else who operates whaling and fishing fleets.  It's an inhospitable area, and ships are lost every year."

"So what would the Confederates do, in a military sense, down there?"

"Drive away our whalers and fishing vessels.  Perhaps prey upon shipping steaming south of Africa", Rey replied.

"Hmm.  Can you deny the claim?"

"There's no specific reason to", Rey said.  "If we cite general principle, we'd also be denying claim from the Hapsburgers and NUS."

"That's out of the question, I assume?"

"Yes - no reason to aggravate our friends, or some of the friendly neutrals with claims elsewhere."

"Of course", the First Lady agreed.  She set her drink down and snapped her fingers.  A steward was alongside momentarily.  "Go to the library and bring me an atlas, please", she said.  The steward bowed and headed inside.

"I really don't want to claim a chunk of that shithole", Rey said.

"No, of course you don't", his wife said.  "Do you remember that coat you bought for me when we went to Italy for the dual wedding?"

"Er...what?", Rey replied.  "Yes, it was sealskin.  From a little trading outfit in Cromwell."

"Where'd the little outfit in Cromwell get the sealskin from?"

Rey shrugged.

The steward returned, bearing a huge tome in his hands.  He held it out to the First Lady, who opened it and flipped through a few pages.  She then held the book up for Rey to see:  a map of North America, with her index finger tapping a huge, white, land mass between the light blue of the East Sea Confederation and the royal purple of France.  It kind of looked like a big, upside-down dog to Rey.

"A woman doesn't forget the background behind her presents, even if her husband does", the First Lady said.  "The furs were obtained by a trading expedition to Ile de Baffin, which exchanged some basic goods with the nomadic locals in return for seal, polar bear, and fox furs.  Now, it could just be the margaritas thinking, but it would appear to me that this is as legitimate a basis for claiming Ile de Baffin as the Confederates' claim over the area of Antarctica."

"You're suggesting I claim a frozen chunk of North America the size of the DRM?", Rey asked.

"I'm suggesting it's an option", Senora Alizandro replied.

"Maybe I'd better discuss that with some people", Rey replied.

Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: ledeper on November 25, 2009, 10:20:56 AM
Preliminary border between the Americas and Esc ;everything to the West of the line is American ,and East is Esc:
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: The Rock Doctor on November 25, 2009, 10:30:22 AM
Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: The Rock Doctor on December 03, 2009, 07:42:50 PM
25 March 1918:  Valetta, Malta

"Holy shit", Rey said, undoing his tie on a corner of the bed.

Senora Alizandro nodded as she removed her earrings.  

"It's not a colony", Rey said, "It's just a big fucking live-in factory."

His wife grunted as she undid the clasp of her necklace.

"I've never seen so many people packed into a single place*", Rey continued, tossing the tie at the dresser.  It fell short.

"It was the ACM capital at one point, wasn't it?", Senora Alizandro said, backing up towards her husband.  "If so, that makes sense.  Here, undo me so I don't have to dislocate my arms."

"Of course", Rey said, beginning the task of unlacing the straps on the back of his wife's gown.  "Yes, it was the capital.  And if that's what they got from taking it, I'm surprised the Hapsburgers let go of the Azores way back when."

"Weren't they wrapped up with El Dorado at the time?", the First Lady asked.  

"Don't recall.  It was about the same time, I guess", Rey agreed.  "There, done."  He watched appreciatively as the blue silk gown dropped to the marble floor.

"Well, anyway, I suppose the sheer value of industrial power on this island explains why Stefan's got us spending all of tomorrow inspecting military units", Senora Alizandro remarked, kicking off her heels.  "Are you done staring?"

"Not yet", Rey said.  "I missed the re-introduction.  Did Olga and Jose get along?"

"They were fine.  She's a young woman now, and there was no ice cream involved."

"Oh, good."

"Overall, a non-event", Senora Alizandro concurred.  "Did I hear correctly that the Mesoamericans have sought to re-establish relations?  Some ancient duchess was explaining her family tree to me."

"Yeah, they have.  Stefan was skeptical, to say the least.  I'm going to think on it another night or two, but I think the sensible thing is to allow for consulates to be established.  Hold off on embassies until have reason to think we're going have use for them."

"You don't trust them."

"Of course not.  Villa's a fuitcake with Confederate backing.  Once he gets his capital rebuilt, he'll probably want pay-back for our involvement with the Capitalistas."

"Fair enough, but he might also decide he wants that land back from Rohan", Senora Alizandro noted.  "Or he might decide he doesn't want the Confederates on his soil, either."

"One can hope", Rey agreed.  "Need help getting out of that slip?"



*1918 population density of Malta = ~67% of OTL current Hong Kong.
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: The Rock Doctor on December 04, 2009, 08:17:03 PM
Maddox, Tex - can you let me know what France and Romania want to talk with Rey about?
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: TexanCowboy on December 04, 2009, 08:23:58 PM
What are you talking about?
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: The Rock Doctor on December 04, 2009, 08:38:27 PM
I understood that the new Romanian king would be popping down to meet President Alizandro at Port Said.  As the former Romanian despot, I assumed you would have some recommendations for meeting agendas.
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: maddox on December 04, 2009, 08:44:10 PM
@ TexanCowboy.

France rented the Superliner Mercury to have a floating palace at Port Said, to recieve and entertain the Gran Colombian President, his family and entourage during the world trip those esteemed people are making.

The best Parisian chef and his team is at hand. His selection of wines, cognacs,brandies, liquors and foreign liquid quality products was called "impressive" by the people loading these.
The valets, cleaning personel ,entertainers and all others are selected from the most capable and best looking people the French bureaucrats could find (or were bribed to accept).

So, if the new Rumanian king wants a part of the ship for him and his entourage, he just have to ask my Foreign Minister , Capet (who is a royalist in an anti royal country...). I think we can spare room for a few 100 people on the ship.


@ Rocky,  PM under way.
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: TexanCowboy on December 04, 2009, 08:46:13 PM
The new Rumanian king wants a part of the ship for him and his entourage.  ;D
About 50-75 people?
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: maddox on December 04, 2009, 08:54:25 PM
Don't get lost or worse, misplaced in that Collosus of a ship.  :)
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: The Rock Doctor on December 18, 2009, 07:44:32 PM
2 April 1918:  Port Said, Egypt

"How was your day on the Mercury?", President Alizandro asked his wife as they lay in loungers beside the Libertad's swimming pool.  The sun was low on the horizon and the yacht's electric lighting cast a sharp blue hue on the first couple, the two girls in the pool, and the nanny watching over them.

"It was alright", Senora Alizandro said.

"You were aboard the pinnacle of Norman splendour, and it was alright?"

"Yeah."

Rey turned his head to study his wife.  "I'm not understanding something.  Enlighten me, please."

"The French were trying to impress me by entertaining me aboard a mostly empty ship that wasn't French.  It was transparent.  So in the end, I wasn't too impressed", Senora Alizandro explained.

"Ah", Rey said.

"Plus I got the distinct feeling that at least one of Madame's assistants was also Monsieur's mistress", she added, "Whatever the custom may be, it shouldn't be so obvious in a diplomatic situation.  So - how was your meeting?"

"Well, the press release will be the usual bit about high-level discussions and such.  Privately, it seems the French are a bit concerned about the Peru/NUS amalgamation.  We talked that over some; I think he came away understanding that it doesn't really change the balance of power between our respective alliances, just reduces the number of players.  NUS' new efficiencies of scale notwithstanding."

"Mmm hmm", his wife murmured.

"Some interest in Africa - typical French megalomania.  If you can believe it, somebody there has actually done a study on diverting part of the Congo into the desert of French Africa and creating new lakes or inland seas.  Apparently the idea got floated to the Dutch - or maybe they were just going to propose it - but it went nowhere, Franco-Dutch relations being what they are."

"Is it a realistic proposal?"

"Damned if I know.  It's not something Paris is looking for an immediate response on, so I'll just fire it off to Industry and let the wonks there figure it out.  If nothing else, the French have demonstrated they're eager to undertake the most unlikely of physical works out of a sense of national machismo.  Maybe they'll put a more formal offer to us later."

"Hmm", Senora Alizandro muttered.  "So, we're hosting them tomorrow.  Anything to keep in mind?"

"I suspect we may get into a bit more gritty subject matter.  It seemed we were circling around a question of the Armada as we were wrapping up for the day - interest in our naval aviation projects, I think.  Maybe I'll be nice and offer their naval attache in Cartagena a tour of that cruiser.  Or that ugly-ass balloon ship still being fitted out", Rey remarked.  A grin came to his face.  "Or maybe I'll suggest that the naval attache 'accidently' get a look at that abomination the Armada's pitching for next year's program."

"Just remember that the Frenchman can't unsee it after he sees it", Senora Alizandro cautioned.  "Well, unless you have him killed.  What about the Romanian visit?"

"Should be low-key", Rey said.  "Talk of trade or non-aggression pacts at most, I'd think.  There might be a 'please ask Vienna to be nice' as well, for what that's worth."

"Do you regret not taking them up on that deal?"

"Hardly.  What were we going to do with an enclave in the Black Sea?"

"True", the first lady concurred.  "True." 
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: The Rock Doctor on January 19, 2010, 08:03:58 PM
Quick highlights of the Indian Ocean segment of the Presidential Tour, so that I can wrap this up before we hit 1919:

15 - 17 April:  Tel Aviv

President Alizandro meets with the Zionite head of state.  Discussions are high-level, other than some talk about the new border the two nations share in Africa and matters like policing it, building trade, and so forth. 

25 - 30 April:  Ciudad Alberto

The first presidential tour to Montana includes a trip down to the copper mining camps around Villa Isabella (OTL Lubumbashi).  Local infrastructure projects are also visited, and the President confirms funding in FY1919 for additional infrastructure projects, including pre-feasibility studies on possible hydroelectric dams.

While visiting a military base in Ciudad Alberto, he annouces that V Corps personnel will henceforth be offered cantonment opportunities - basically, if they sign on for long-term service in Zaire or Montana, they'll be given land to establish a homestead, some equipment, and free passage over for their families.  A similar arrangement was instituted in Amazonas del Sur after its acquisition.

The President and his family also attend mass at a newly constructed church in one of the towns inland from Ciudad Alberto.  Afterwards, the President meets with Padre Santiago Batista, who explains that the Dutch were strangely determined not to bring the Word of God to the indigenous peoples of Zaire and Montana.  With the quaint Dutch anti-missionary laws now struck down by the two vice-presidential governments, Catholic and Anglican missionaries are working to convert and bring salvation to the local population.

30 May - 2 June:  Rangoon

President Alizandro meets with the Burmese head of state, who expresses his personal gratitude for Colombian involvement in the conflict of 1915.  The President responds that he is pleased that both sides were able to make a quick peace, especially once it became apparent that non-government forces were responsible for creating the crisis in the first place.

Subsequently, the President announces the gifting of two surplus Atun class submarines to Burma in 1919.
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: The Rock Doctor on February 15, 2010, 07:14:58 PM
13 October 1918: La Prensa Nacional

The senior military officer in the newly formed NUS Armada has arrived in Cartagena for a brief visit. Almirante Vencedores is on his way to Buenos Aires, where he will assume his new command.

Almirante Vencedores's flagship, the battleship Mayta Capac, arrived in the capital along with its escort, the cruiser Shinchi Roca. Accompanying the Suramericano ships was our own Armada's flagship Glorioso and an escorting cruiser. The four ships arrived off the capital shortly after noon, and were greeted with a nineteen gun salute by the guns of Castillo de San Felipe.

Officials with the Armada advised this reporter that Almirante Vencedores would be invited to tour the recently completed battleship Radiante in the company of Almirante de Irujo and his impending successor, Vicealmirante Claderon. They will subsequently meet with Defence Minister Edmund Fitzroy, and discuss strategy and acquisition plans.

Almirante Vencedores will continue on his way to Buenos Aires tomorrow evening.
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: The Rock Doctor on February 25, 2010, 08:53:22 AM
20 November 1920:  Cartagena

"And good morning", President Rey Alizandro said to the assembled members of his Cabinet.  "Richard's with us again today, sitting in for Eduard and to debrief us on the discussions in Richmond."

"How is Eduard?", Nicholas Benson asked.  "I haven't had an opportunity to see him since his heart attack."

"He's weak", Rey said.  "His doctor is recommending that he retire and rest up, but he hasn't made up his own mind yet and I'm not yet ready to impose a decision."

"Fair enough", Benson said with a nod.

"Richard, I saw in the morning paper that President Wilson's been hospitalized.  Was he unwell at the conference?", Rey inquired.

Richard Granville, Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs, shook his head.  "He seemed well at the time.  However, I did read in the Richmond papers about an influenza outbreak in the so-called Midwest of the Confederacy and the Kingdom.  Perhaps it has made its way east."

Rey nodded.  "Maybe.  So - Richmond.  Give us the highlights."

Granville glanced at his notes.  "Senor President, we had a number of major powers at the table, but not all.  Absentees included the Normans, the Dutch, the Russians, and the Japanese.  None of these absences profoundly affected our own positioning.

"Discussions were reasonably positive and well-intentioned.  There emerged a sense amongst several powers that the objective of the conference was to eliminate the existence of so-called battlecruisers - our large armored cruisers - but they were not able to implement this objective."

"They wouldn't have gotten us on board", Defence Minister Edmund Fitzroy observed.

"Exactly", Granville agreed.  "Another complication, albeit one that generally came to be ignored, was Swiss positioning.  All things considered, I would say that President Wilson was unnecessarily indulging of Swiss antics, which began with their representative never actually introducing himself and extended to fairly obvious efforts to scupper discussions."

"I've seen it suggested that the Swiss would view a 35,000 t cap as one that precluded their being able to overcome their shipbuilding deficiencies in either a quantitative or qualitative sense", Fitzroy remarked.

"That would be consistent with their proposals", Granville mused.  "They proposed low caps and high caps, but table-dropped blueprints for enormous battleships when intermediate positions were being discussed.  Since that's what the final agreement came to, it is unlikely that they will ever sign on."

"Will they go out and build something as large as what they suggested?", asked Carla Davalo, the Natural Resources minister.

"It's not impossible, but I think it unlikely", Minister Fitzroy said. "It would bottleneck Swiss construction for years and would be reasonably easily addressed by other, larger powers.  More likely, I think they would walk away from capital ship construction and focus on asymmetric warfare."

"I don't know about that", Benicio Delgado interjected.  "I think we will, instead, see a concerted Swiss effort to seem as if they are starting such large vessels in the hopes that it will cause other powers to walk away from the agreement in order to respond."

"So in the end, what do we have?", President Alizandro asked.

"In the end, we have an open-ended agreement to limit capital ships to 35,000 t, other than two hulls of up to 40,000 t, with provision for mild over-building and losses", Deputy Minister Granville noted.  "There is no restriction on maximum gun caliber, nor numbers, nor on lesser vessels."

"Can we live with that?", the President asked Minister Fitzroy.

"Perhaps not indefinitely, but for the coming decade, at least", Fitzroy said.  "Having spoken with Admirals de Irujo and Calderon, they agree that the 40,000 t ships would be armored cruisers.  Given that the Radiante class battleships are approximately 35,000 t, they are confident that they can design quite capable ships on that tonnage.  In the meantime, it allows us time to expand our shipbuilding capacity to meet the demands of a post-agreement scenario."

"So you're content with this?"

"We can work with it", Fitzroy agreed.

"Any objections from around the table?", Rey asked.  There were none.  "Very well - Richard, have your people prepare a letter for me, stating that I've ratified the agreement and now hold Gran Colombia bound to it."
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: Desertfox on February 25, 2010, 11:01:38 AM
Woot! The Columbians devoted half their time to discussing the Swiss! Instead of more important stuff, such as the CSA or France. My work here is done...
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: The Rock Doctor on February 25, 2010, 11:24:21 AM
The French and Confederates came out of the conference looking rational and reasonable to the Colombians.  Wasn't much to say about them.
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: Carthaginian on February 26, 2010, 07:30:28 PM
Richmond, VA
29NOV1918


"Mr. President. How are you feeling today? I brought you a cigar, and some food that's a bit better than the fare that they have here."

"Thank you, Aaron, but I don't believe that I can indulge... in either." The President smiles, revealing the latest horror in his illness- several of his teeth have fallen out, his gums are bleeding, and the sores in his mouth are getting worse. "I attempted to eat an apple last evening- against the nurse's advice, of course, and it appears that I paid severely. "

"My God, Mr. President- do they have NO IDEA what is wrong?"

"None yet, my friend, but they continue to search. What news do you bring me?"

"The Colombians... they accepted Richmond."

"If only the Normans and Dutch had been there... if on..ly..."

"NURSE! NURSE!!!"
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: TexanCowboy on March 02, 2010, 08:49:31 PM
done on the request of The Rock Doctor

QuoteTo the desk of Admiral Irujo,
on the status of the Gran Columbian fleet,
November 8th, 1918

This report, which has been placed upon your desk by the Romanian Naval Intelligence and Research Commission, is to ascertain the strength of the Gran Columbian Navy, of all ships in commission or under construction.

Battleships:

Triunfante-2
12 12'', 18 5.5'', 21 knots, 12.5'' belt, 2.5'' deck, 22,750 tons

A battleship that, although aging, has the most guns of any ship of its era. With 12 main guns, this ship is one that, although the weakest member of the battlefleet, is a ship that could defeat any of its peers. It has a very heavy secondary battery, that makes it a portable Anti-Torpedo battery. When this ship is refit, as it will need to be soon, the Fire Control system should be updated, and the speed, which is minimal, should be increased to 22-23 knots, to match the new Confederate ships. If possible, the belt armour should be increased, it should be converted to oil and the range should be increased, as it is not enough for a deployment to Africa.

Furioso-2
10 14'', 20 5.5'', 21 knots, 13'' belt, 3'' deck, 25,500 tons

The next step up in Gran Columbian battleships. It mounts a new, 14'' gun, that fires a shell that is almost 500 pounds heavier. Even though it mounts two less guns, it fires a broadside that is almost 3,000 pounds heavier. The secondary is as big as contemporary French design's. In the next refit, which isn't for a while, we recommend that the speed be increased to match Confederate designs, and the armour be increased.

Radiante-2
15 14'', 22 5.5'', 22 knots, 14'' belt, 3'' deck, 35,750 tons

A ship that is a quantum leap in the way that Gran Columbian looks at battleships. It introduces revolutionary features for Gran Columbia, such as triple mounts, oil fired boilers, and has a size that is matched only by the French Occitanie. Compared to that, it has a heavier secondary and more, but smaller guns. It is our opinion that this ship would defeat the Occitanie in a fight.

Battleship Overview:

It appears that, compared to possible enemies designs, Gran Columbia prefers quality over quantity in its designs. Our opinion is that, considering what and where the possible enemies are, that this idea is good, considering that NUSA units can reach the coast to defend Gran Columbia while Gran Columbia units act as the main battleline. We believe that future Gran Columbian ships should improve upon the Radiante, by mounting a extra turret behind B turret. Alternatively, future designs can use the basic Radiante plan, with the quad 12'' turrets. The main battleline should be in Cartagena, as it is in the center of Gran Columbia's territory, and it allows for rapid deployment to anywhere.

Armoured Cruisers:

Luchador
8 12'', 17 5.5'', 24 knots, 12'' belt, 2'' deck, 21,000 tons

A ship that is the starting benchmark for all Columbian armoured cruisers, this ship is built with armour that is better than most older battleships. The speed on the ship, at the time, was superior, and the range, for a Columbian ship, is nothing short of impressive. However, technology and time has advanced, and this ship is nothing more than a match for the older Confederate battleships. With that in mind, we recommend that the speed be increased, to 27 knots, and it be wholly converted to oil-firing, and that an updated Fire Control system be added.

Warrior-2
8 12'', 16 5.5'', 27 knots, 12'' belt, 3'' deck, 22,750 tons

A major improvement on the Luchador class. Featuring 3 more knots of speed, on only 2,000 more tons, this ship has the same heavy armour arrangement as the Luchador's, while omitting the stern casemate gun with a limited firing arc that inhibited steering. While powerful and all, we recommend that the range be increased slightly, to allow for Pacific deployment without stopping at oiling stations. Other than that, this is a magnificent ship.

Arquero-2
6 11'', 12 5.5'', 31 knots, 8'' belt, 2'' deck, 17,750 tons

A type of the light battlecruiser group that has became common. With it's comparatively light armour, and heavy secondary and main armerment, this ship is a cruiser hunter, that is not meant to slug it out. With that in mind, we recommend that these ship act as commerce raiders, or in the screening fleet. If repeated, this class should have heavier armour with improved engines at the same speed.

Avenger
8 14'', 16 5.5'', 28.5 knots, 13'' belt, 3'' deck, 30,500 tons

With armour that is heavier than many contemporary battleships, and speed that allows it to cross the T of an opponent, this ship is, quite frankly, the most powerful ship in the Caribbean. With the combination of the speed, armour, and guns, we think that this ship would be the closest thing to a match to the Asfaloth's in existence. With that in mind, we recommend that this ship be the flagship of the Pacific fleet, or act as the fast wing of the battlefleet. Future ships should build upon this class.

Armoured Cruiser Overview:

The armoured cruiser fleet of Gran Columbia, with only one or two exceptions, is the simply the best in the world. No other nation has armoured cruisers armoured like battleships, making all of the armoured cruisers not only armoured cruisers, but second-class battleships. Only one ship, in the entire fleet, needs a refit. We recommend that the the Warrior, and the Avenger compose the Pacific Fleet, with the Arquero's and the Luchador compose the Atlantic Fleet. Future ship's, in our opinion, should build upon the Warrior class, while lighter battlecruisers should be more heavily armoured Arquero's.

Protected Cruisers:

Cod
8 5.5'', 4 2.5'', 18.5 knots, 3'' belt, .5'' deck, 3,000 tons

A old ACM cruiser that is due for a refit ASAP. Considering the age of the ship, and the relative attributes of this ship, we don't think that it would be necessary to do such a thing. Therefore, we recommend that this ship either be decommissioned, sent to serve as the flagship of the peacetime escort force, serve as a station ship, or be radically rebuilt into a new radical concept, such as a torpedo cruiser, or a dynamite gun ship. Whatever is done, the speed should be increased, depth charges should be added, and the turreted secondaries should be removed.

Puerta Espana
6 5.5'', 2 2.5'', 26 knots, 2.5'' belt, 1'' deck, 3,250 tons

A large leap in design philosophy for Gran Columbia. Introducing revolutionary features such as turbines, and oil fired boilers, this ship, on the same displacement as the previous class, is 6 knots faster, and has a better broadside. However, this ship is becoming outdated, although not very rapidly, since it has speed close to sufficient for modern warfare. With that in mind, we recommend that the engines and torpedoes be upgraded, and that Fire Control be added and speed be increased. Otherwise, it could act as an Africa station ship.

Westmoreland-4
5 5.5'', 27.5 knots, 3'' belt, 1'' deck, 4,000 tons

A large jump in protected cruiser size. With it, it has a speed jump of 5 knots compared to the original Puerta Espana, and it has heavier armour. We believe that this was one of the best ships of it's era. However, it will soon need a refit. We recommend that a heavier secondary be provided, that the torpedoes be upgraded, and that Fire Control be added. Most importantly, the range, the fuel, and the engines should be upgraded. These are still very nice ships, with beautiful lines.

Galapagos-2
5 5.5'', 100 mines, 27 knots, 3'' belt, 1'' deck, 4,000 tons

A half-sister of the previous class. With the same hull, and very similar armour, the one main difference is that these ships have the capacity for 100 mines, and typically carry them. With that in mind, these ships are probably some of the best fast minelayer-cruisers in the world. However, we recommend that these ships do not participate in fleet actions, as any cruiser main gun could penetrate the armour and literally blow off the aft of the ship. As they are soon due for a refit, we recommend that the armour around the mines be increased to 5-6'', to prevent shells from penetrating, and that the range be increased, and speed, since nobody wants to see a minelayer caught be a cruiser while laying mines.

Boyaca-2
4 5.5'', 1 2.5'', 60 mines, 26 knots, 3'' belt, 1'' deck, 3,250 tons

A class of ships that is meant to fill the role of a station ship. With this in mind, these ships have the capacity for minelaying and flag facilities. At the time, this would be considered state of the art in fast station ship's, but, however, times have changed. This ship would be much improved if hydrophone and depth charge facilities were added, to aid in trade protection. Also, more torpedoes should be added, and a second AA gun should be added. Also, this ship lacks necessary speed for a cruiser. It is our opinion that all protected cruisers should be at least 27 knots. This class should be upgraded to reflect that.

Grenada-2
6 5.5'', 2 2.5'', 27.5 knots, 3'' belt, 1'' deck, 4,000 tons

A much improved cruiser, that is back in the traditional roles of a protected cruiser, not seen since the Westmoreland class. With the extra weight, this ship has an extra 5.5'' gun, giving this ship a broadside that is unmatched except for the Cod class. These ships, and the following classes, should serve as the core of the battleline screen. With the 6 guns, this ship can put a hail of metal in the air to stop torpedo boats.

San Lucia-2
4 5.5'', 1 2.5'', 26 knots, 3'' belt, 1'' deck, 3,500 tons

The following class to the Boyaca class. This ship is customized for work with the line of battle, acting as a secondary flagship and a communication ship. With that in mind, this ship sacrifices the minelaying capacity for more communications gear. We believe that, with the rising speed of battleship's, that the speed should be increased, to allow it to serve in other roles as well. Also, the torpedoes should be upgraded, and more should be added, for self defense purposes.

Saint Thomas-4
7 5.5'', 2 2.5'', 29.5 knots, 3'' belt, 1'' deck, 5,000 tons

A radically improved design over the previous class. With 2 more knots of speed, and one more gun, we believe that this was the best protected cruiser in the world at the time it was built. We believe that this ship will be most effective working with the battlecruisers, since few other ship's have the speed to support them.

Cesar-4
7 5.5'', 2 2.5'', 31 knots, 3'' belt, 1'' deck, 5,750 tons

A stretched St.Thomas class. It shares most of the attributes of it, but it has more speed, to allow it to escort the fast battlecruisers. Because of that, we believe that these ship's should be charged with escorting the Aquero's and the Avenger, while the St.Thomas class can have the others.

Protected Cruiser Overview:

Gran Columbia has two main types of protected cruiser, the specialized class and the general class. The specialized classes, which would be the ship's built on the Boyaca hull and the Galapagos class, suffer from a lack of speed and range. Those error's should be fixed. In those classes, however, exist some of the best fast minelayer's in the world. We believe that the Boyaca's should be on foreign stations, while the San Lucia's should be  attached to the battlefleet, and the Galapagos as their own independent squadron. The general classes, which is everything else, are probably the finest classes on this side of the Atlantic. The newer one's should be attached to the battlecruisers, while the older one's should serve in Africa and the battlefleet.

Aviation Ships:

Guyana
2 5.5'', 2 2.5'', 1 airship, 26.5 knots, 3'' belt, 1'' deck, 3,500 tons

A ship based off of the successful Boyaca line of cruisers. This ship, although rated a cruiser, should be rated a naviation ship, as the main focus of this ship is to provide a forward base for a airship, and it is defiantly not suited for surface warfare. With that in mind, we believe that this is a successful platform for such a thing. We would say that a fully covered hanger, such as the one seen on the Yuberta, is better, but since it would take a major rebuild to accomplish that, we believe that this ship would do fine for a sheltered area, such as the coast of Africa. A refit, when possible, should try to increase the armour, as a single shell that gets into the ship is very likely to blow up the hydrogen gas, causing the ship to blow up.

Casanare
1 5.5'', 6 4'', 1 airplane, 20.5 knots, 1'' deck, 2,500 tons

A older protected cruiser that is now being used as a trial ship for aircraft and, in war, would be used as a scout. We know that this ship is old, and that it probably isn't worth giving another refit to when this ship is due for one. However, that isn't for another six years, so this ship is still in the clear for now. If it is decided to refit the ship, the speed will seriously need to be upgraded, as 20.5 knots is much too little for modern warfare. If needed, the range could be increased using oil, and another airplane could be added. Also, AA guns should be added, as ships based on aircraft should have at least some defense against them.

Yuberta
1 5.5'', 4 2.5'', 2 airships, 16.5 knots, 6,250 tons

A continuation of the line of the Guyana, although the ship is completely different in design. This ship has, on its hull, a hanger that can support 2 airships, allowing for effective scouting for the fleet without the wear and tear seen on the Guyana. However, the speed is a grand 10 knots slower than the Guyana, meaning that this ship is very slow compared most anything in the fleet. That problem should be addressed in the next ship of this line or the next refit. Also, the armour is non-existent, meaning that someone can fire at it, and blow up the hydrogen gas, causing a mass explosion.

Espiritu Santo
4 4'', 1 2.5'', 6 airplanes, 27.5 knots, 4,250 tons

A ship that builds on the Casanare, with 6 airplanes as opposed to one, two fighters and 4 floatplane scouters. The armour on this ship is sufficient to defend against protected cruisers, and the aircraft on the ship allows for scouting rivaled only by the Yuberta. The speed on this ship is sufficient for battleline operations, and therefore, we believe future classes should build upon this.

Aviation Ship Overview:

Gran Columbia has the largest airship program in the world, and is at least a close second or third in aircraft. If another Espiritu Santo is laid down in 1919, that will make the Gran Columbia aviation fleet the largest in the world. With that in mind, all but 1 of the ship's of the fleet are flawed in some way, either speed or protection against the elements. We believe that the Espiritu Santo and the Guyana be attached to the Battlecruiser force or the Scouting fleet, while the two slower ships, the Casanare and the Yuberta, be attached to the battleline. We believe that future ships built upon the Yuberta line should concentrate on keeping the airship capacity intact, while improving armour and speed. Future ships of the aircraft type should experiment with an mobile airfield, much like the Yuberta for aircraft.

Destroyers:

Tupucita-8
1 3'', 3 21'' torpedoes, 26.5 knots, 500 tons

A older torpedo boat design, that was the last class built with the use of reciprocating engines. These ship's are aging, and even though the refit given to the 5 years ago somewhat covered this up, it hasn't completely removed it. The range is too short for any thing but harbor defense and service in the Caribbean. Therefore, we recommend that this be the last refit cycle for them, and that they serve as point-defense ship. If it is chosen to refit them again, they could possibly find use as fast anti-submarine escorts.

Havoc-12
4-5 3'', 4 18'' torpedoes, 28 knots, 750 tons

A destroyer that was originally to be built in Gran Columbia to support the battleline. However, due to the general need for immediate replacement of the IC torpedo boats, this class was doubled in size and built in Jamaica to act as escorts for the armoured cruisers there. This class has aged gracefully, with the high speed and all. However, since the next refit cycle is coming up, we think that the torpedoes should be upgraded, to the newest model. We also think that the ships should have their range increased, perhaps with oil, as they are useful only for Caribbean patrol operations with that range. We think that all destroyers should have a range of at least 4,000 nm at 10 knots.

Jatibouti-6
4-5 3'', 4 18'' torpedoes, 28.5 knots, 750 tons

The destroyers that were built for the original Havoc role of battleline support. Locally built in Gran Columbia, these ships feature improved engines, giving it half a knot more speed. The class has aged gracefully, but we recommend that the torpedoes should be upgraded, and the range should be increased as much as possible.

Laguniles-6
5 3'', 4 18'' torpedoes, 29.5 knots, 750 tons

Another practical clone of the Havoc class. These ship's have 1 knot more speed then the previous class due to the use of mixed oil-coal fired boilers. Unlike previous classes, all ships feature a wireless set. As normal with older Gran Columbian destroyers, we recommend that the torpedoes be upgraded and the range be increased. This class and the J/I/H classes are all built on a common hull, something that could be useful.

Kuracki-6
1 2.5'', 4 16'' torpedoes, 25.5 knots, 250 tons

Smaller torpedo boats for river operations, which we believe should be classified under Riverine Ships. We believe the torpedoes to be the largest usable in a river, and the gun armament is fine for the size of this ship. Due to the fact that all of South America is in the Southern Cross, ships like these are unnecessary except for putting down the lone raider/pirate. We still think these are good ships, and we believe that if refit, the range should be increased. Due to the strong tide of the Amazon, it may only have enough capacity for 400 nm at 10 knots. Also, if possible, the misc. weight should be increased to allow for a half-squad of marines. These ships could possibly be relocated to Africa.

Monte Patria-4
2 3.5'', 2 20'' torpedoes, 28 knots, 250 tons

Confederate built small torpedo boats, these ship's operate in the south of Gran Columbia, in the Pacific. We find these ship's to be woefully inadequate for the task, considering that the range would mean that this ship would have to be recoiled 10 times to cross the Pacific at cruise speed. Therefore, we recommend that these ship's relocate to Africa, and the Congo river. There, they can act as the Kuracki's of Africa, and with the 3.5'' guns, they can be easily supplied from ex-Dutch stores. We think that these ship's should be classified under Riverine Ships. If refitted, the range should be doubled, as it is very small, even for a river force.

Natagaina-9
5 3'', 4 18'' torpedoes, 29.5 knots, 750 tons

A slightly larger follower to the L class. The improved length on this class means that this ship will have better seakeeping, and this ship has slightly longer range than the previous classes. These ships are capable for all Caribbean operations. When refitted, we recommend that, as normal with older Gran Columbian destroyers, the torpedoes are upgraded to more modern types and the range is altered, for the better.


Quito-6
3 4'', 1 2.5'', 6 21'' torpedoes, 31 knots, 1,000 tons

The first 1,000 ton destroyer built by Gran Columbia. It has improved speed and torpedoes compared to previous classes, and the high speed means that it will be a suitable escort for the Armoured Cruisers, even the Arquero's. The range is enough for the destroyer to do a non-stop deployment from the Caribbean to Africa. This class has limited ASW capacity, with 12 depth charges.

Santa Isabel-18
4 4'', 1 2.5'', 6 21'' torpedoes, 16 mines, 31 knots, 1,000 tons

A follow on to the Quito class. With improved engines, this ship manages to keep the same speed while adding another gun, 16 mines, and Fire Control. With this in mind, we believe that these ships could be effective with the battlefleet or the Armoured Cruisers, because of the versatility of this destroyer/fast minelayer/ASW escort, with 12 depth charges. The mines could be used in local port raids or covering screens for a retreat.

Tulua-6
5 4'', 1 2.5'', 6 21'' torpedoes, 32.5 knots, 1,500 tons

The first 1,500 ton boats in the fleet. With the extra weight, this class is fitted to serve as a destroyer leader by mounting both a long-range radio and Flag Facilites. This class is the fastest destroyer ever built in America, and future classes should try to improve upon it. This class has a limited ASW ability, with 12 depth charges.

Ustupa
2 3'', 3 21'' torpedoes, 30 knots, 500 tons

A single ship class, to serve as an experimental vessel and to see whether a unified class of coastal torpedo boats is needed. With 30 knots, and 3 torpedoes of a new type, on only 500 tons, we believe that this is a successful attempt, sweetened by the ASW capacity to repel small coastal submarines. This class could be useful serving upon river's, and if that is thought to be necessary for Africa, we recommend that it is considered. It would also be a useful canal patrol vessel.

Velez-12
4 4'', 3 21'' torpedoes, 16 mines, 32 knots, 1,250 tons

A follow on type to both the S and T classes, partaking in the nature of both. With the extra size and speed, this ship would be more effective covering Armoured Cruisers, while it still maintains the fast minelayer capacity of the S class. This ship has a limited ASW capacity. These ships should all serve with the fast Protected Cruiser/Armoured Cruiser Squadrons.

Destroyer Overview:

The destroyers of Gran Columbia, at least the older ones, all suffer from a common problem, the lack of range. Because of this, many of those destroyers are limited in the types of work they can do. For example, these destroyers cannot do convey work because the range is insufficient to do so. In this case, we would rather have the extra range and possibilities than not. We recommend that these problems be solved as soon as possible. The older, 3'' destroyers should be limited to serving at Caribbean/Jamaica patrol facilities, and doing short ranged work for the battleline, possibly serving as station ships. The larger, 1,000 ton models should serve at foreign stations and with the battlefleet. The 1,250 ton models should serve with the Armoured Cruisers, while the T class should serve as patrol leaders. New destroyers should concentrate on improving on the V class, with better engines but the same versatility.

Submarines:

Nautilus-2
2 18'' torpedoes, 12 knots sur., 8 knots sub., 250 tons

The oldest submarines in service in Gran Columbia, these vessels were laid down by the Island Commonwealth in 1900. These ship's are currently training ship's, and considering the basic aspects of submarine live haven't changed much, these ship's are well suited for the job. The one limiting factor may be the lack of range, as they can barely reach Cromwell from Cartagena. The gasoline could prove be dangerous with possible explosions from depth charges. These ship's are on their last legs, since submarines are rarely fit for more than 20 years, as shown by Japan's 25 year old floating museum submarine.

Manta-2
2 18'' torpedoes, 12 knots sur., 8 knots sub., 250 tons

The first Gran Coumbian built submarines. Practically the same class as the Nautilus, these ships differ only in the differences between Jamaican and Columbian submarines. These ships are now in the training department, and look to form the bulk of the department, since they are almost a decade younger than the Nautilus class. The gasoline could prove to be dangerous, with the explosions caused by depth charges.

Atun-13
1 2.5'', 4 18'' torpedoes, 14 knots sur., 10 knots sub., 500 tons

A large improvement in the building of Gran Columbian submarines. The size is doubled, the amount of torpedo tubes is doubled, and the speed is increased. With these improvements, especially the improvement in range, these ships. Supported by tenders, these ship's could shut down the Mesoamerican coast. These ships main flaw is the lack of a diesel engine, which could cause an explosion with depth charges.

Riverpike-10
1 2.5'', 4 18'' torpedoes, 14 knots sur., 10 knots sub., 500 tons

A basic repeat of the previous class, with the long needed diesel engine that doubled the range. This allows the ship to range even farther than before, up the Atlantic CSA coast. The one flaw of this ship could be the lack of a larger range, but with the intending of these ships for Caribbean operations, that should not be a problem.

Aguja-2
1 2.5'', 2 18'' torpedoes, 17 knots sur., 10 knots sub., 1,000 tons

A submarine that is double the size of the previous class. With this, the speed is increased by two knots and the range is doubled. This ship is modified from a standard submarine because it has a cargo carrying capacity, estimated at 350 tons. This could, possibly, if modified, carry up to 50 troops, with limited supplies, or 5 miniature submarines and some frogmen. Because of this, this class could be specialized for special operations.

Carpa-12
1 4'', 6 18'' torpedoes, 15 knots sur., 10 knots sub., 750 tons

Although not having the speed, range, or size of the previous class, these do not have the cargo capacity, and so gain 2 more torpedoes and a heavier gun. With the heavier gun and long range compared to the last class of regular submarines, these ship's can literally range the ocean, allowing these to play an effective role in sinking enemy merchant ships in the Atlantic. Therefore, these ships should form the core of Columbian submarine squadrons, and future classes should improve upon them.

Angelote-2
2 4'', 5 18'' torpedoes, 100 mines, 17 knots sur., 10 knots sub., 1,500 tons

Quite possibly the largest submarines ever built, these ship's are specialized for mine carrying. With the incredibly long range of this class, these ships can sail to Brest, lay mines, and then return without a stop. This ship can even lay mines underwater, allowing the secrecy to remain. We do have problems with the concept of mounting mines on submarines, due to top-weight issues, but this may be the best possible execution of a flawed concept. The guns on this ship are more numerous than any other submarine, and these ships may be great for acting as submarines to capture valuable ships.

Submarine Overview:

With 43 submarines, the submarine fleet of Gran Columbia is quite possibly the largest in the world. Oddly enough, this may be the only program, besides Armoured cruisers, that is a mainly Jamaican program in operation. With that in mind, most submarine support facilites would be based there, meaning we recommend that the Atlantic submarine fleet be located there, with the Riverpike and Atun classes deployed in the overseas and Pacific fleets. The reason for this would be that they are relatively similar, meaning only one type of submarine fitting would need to be produced for overseas use. Also, the Atun's run on gasoline, which means that fuel can be used from cars in the area, if cars exist in the area in question. The other ships should be deployed in Jamaica, where most submarine facilities exist. We recommend that specialized sub building facilities be built. Future submarine construction should focus on a 1,000 ton follower to the Carpa class. Also, the special operation squadron could develop a submarine with a 7.5'' gun mount, for quick coastal raiding.

Monitors:

Antonio Jose de Sucre
3 14'', 6 5.5'', 13.5 knots, 4'' belt, 3'' deck, 7,500 tons

A monitor used as a test bed for the triple 14'' turret, this ship has many versatile roles, because of it's shallow draft and short length. We think this ship would be great in the escort role, because of its heavy battery, low speed, torpedo protection, and good deck armour. Alternatively, this ship could do for a colonial fleet, with several small torpedo boats as a support. If Gran Columbia is planning on building any more monitors, we think that a fast, high speed monitor with 7.5'' guns would do, since they could bring the war to the enemy's coast, and force him to concentrate resources there that would be used elsewhere.

Riverine Ships:

Cuervo-3
2 4'', 10.5 knots, .5'' belt, 500 tons

A light gunboat with a shallow draft that is suitable for the Amazon. Right now, these gunboats are involved in the ferrying and patrol of the Pimichin Canal. In that respect, we find these to be adequate, with the ability to run on local fuel supplies if needed, and decent armament enough to deter any threat on the Amazon. However, the ten year refit is soon due. We recommend that this be a relatively cheap refit, with the only difference being the addition of 2-3 16'' fixed tubes on the bow of this ship. Also, the cargo capacity could be increased, to allow for the transportation of troops.

Pescador
1 7.5'', 11 knots, 2'' belt, 1'' deck, 750 tons

A river battleship, for all that this implies. This ship is most powerful ship on the Amazon, with a heavy gun that can literally reduce a portion of the rain forest to pulp with one shot. With that in mind, this ship is coming close to its annual refit. The only thing we recommend for this ship is more range. At current, with the Amazon in flood, this ship can make a maximum of 1,100 nm at 10 knots, not enough to effectively range the Amazon. We think that a relatively similar ship should be built for the Congo.

Condor-4
1 2.5'', 12 knots, 1'' belt, 1,000 tons

A troop transport ship, which can drop off a full company of "River Rats" within two days of notification.  This class has minimal gunfire support, as that task is left to the battle squadron of the Amazon, Pescador. We feel that this would make a very successful marine assault craft, and so, with that in mind, we think that these should be tested as support for the Marines. We feel that the range should be increased, as we are not sure that it has enough range to sail to a given point, land troops, and return, since when the Amazon is in flood, the effective range is 500 nm at 10 knots.

Gorrion-2
2 5'', 2'' belt, 1.5'' deck, 500 tons

A river support craft. This ship is meant to provide fire support, and, as so, mounts two 5'' mortars as a support craft. In that role, this ship is very effective, as the armour is enough to resist any shore fire, and the guns can squash any shore fire. We think that the main weakness is the range, as 1,250 nm isn't going to do much when the Amazon is in flood.

RG-04-10
0-1 4'', 1-2 3'', 14 knots, 100 tons

A class of 10 small gunboats built by the Dutch to support operations in the Congo. We feel that this class is really susceptible to shore gunfire, with the lack of support. We also feel that this class is overgunned for it's size. However, the firepower is impressive on this ship, and the range is sufficient for the Congo, although barely, and it may need to be improved.

Riverine Ship Overview:

The riverine ships of Gran Columbia are probably the most powerful ships on the Amazon. However, considering the internal distance's of the Amazon, we believe that they all suffer from one main flaw, the lack of range. We think that should be fixed, if possible. We are not sure if the two ports can support over 7,000 tons of warships, plus other civilian ships. We think that there should be 2 squadrons on the Amazon, one with troop ships, and one with the battle squadron with the Pescador, the torpedo boats, and the Gorrion. As for the Congo, we believe that the ship's there will prove to be inadequate for patrol and transportation, and since the Congo is in a much more dangerous area, we think that almost 4,000 tons worth of vessels should be there. Also, the Monte Patria class should be deployed there.

Patrol Vessels:

Iscuande-14
1 4'', 15 knots, .5'' belt, .5'' deck, 750 tons

A set of patrol vessels built for the Armada almost 10 years ago. Built to relieve the torpedo boats of patrol duties, these ships carry 25 troops and 2 torpedoes, making these ships capable of landing small shore parties as well as inspecting ships. However, with the new face of warfare, from under the sea, this class should be updated. Also, a small anti-air gun, perhaps a 47 mm, should be added to defend against the air. These ships are suitable for escort duty anywhere but the Pacific, lacking the range on that front.

El Banco-17
1 2.5'', 15 knots, 250 tons

A small patrol ship, meant for local operations in the Caribbean. With that in mind, they mount a smaller armament, since support from torpedo squadrons is always close by. Also, it only has 12 marines, still enough for clandestine missions into the DRM. However, these ships are aging, and many are due for their ten-year refit. We think, like its bigger brother, that AA should be added to this ship. Also, range should be slightly increased to allow for more versatility. These ships are suited for escort duty anywhere in the Caribbean and the coast.

PB-01-46
1 2'', 13.5 knots, 50 tons

A light patrol vessel built for port service in Gran Columbia. With that in mind, this ship has proven adequate for the jobs to patrol the coast, rescue civilians, and doing other coast guard type items. We would recommend a refit to upgrade their rifles to machine guns, but since these ships are so small, doing so would be a waste. If anything is done, 2-3 depth charges should be added, for effect and for local defense to try and scare off a sub commander.

Puyo-8
2 4'', 20.5 knots, 750 tons

A variation on the Iscuande class. With extra range, and guns, at the cost of armour, these ships are capable of the Pacific route, and we think that they could go non-stop from the Pacific to Africa around the horn, with the long range. It carries 12 marines, for the use of small shore parties, some depth charges, for ASW warfare, and a large wireless. We think that when this ship is due for its ten year refit, the one modification should be the adding of a small gun for AA purposes. However, these are solidly built ships, and capable of any escort duty.

PB-48-32
1 2'', 14.5 knots, 50 tons

An improvement on the previous coastal patrol ships. This ship has double the range, and more speed, meaning that this ship can do more patrol duties, most likely being able to circle Jamaica non-stop. Again, it would be a waste to refit these ships, but if it was done, the rifles should be replaced with machine guns, and possibly depth .charges should be added.

Matadi-2
4 4'', 1 2.5'', 22.5 knots, 1,000 tons

A foreign built ship that is actually the size of an S-class destroyer. With 4 torpedo tubes, 12 depth charges, and full flag facilities, these ships are meant as flagships of the escort groups. We find these to be suitable for that role, and the range means that these can do escort duty anywhere. A possible variation with a floatplane for scouting could be looked at, if needed.

Pitalito-20
1 3'', 18.5 knots, 250 tons

Coastal escort boats for the Caribbean. They carry 12 Marines for shore parties, and mount a long-range wireless. With the long range of these ships, they should be capable of escorting from the Caribbean to Africa, and so we think that they should be judged as such. Perhaps the only thing that could be done to improve this class would be to add a small, 47 mm anti-airship gun, to allow for better defense against a growing threat.

Florencia-5
3 4'', 15.5 knots, 1'' belt, .5'' deck, 500 tons

A light gunboat, as it is, for dealing with small torpedo boats and smugglers. With its shallow draft, it should be able to deal with torpedo boats, because torpedoes would be worthless. The speed is sort of slow, to account for the additional protection. We think that these form decent surface patrol ships, and we understand why no torpedoes or depth charges are carried. We think that on the following ship, more marines, instead of the 12 that are now carried, should be aboard to allow for more light gunfire.

Patrol Vessel Overview:

The patrol ships of Gran Columbia, as officially noted, are divided into four categories, in order of size; Sloops, Gunboats, Cutters, and Boats. With the Sloops, the ships should be arranged into 2-3 sized groups. That way, convoys can form very quickly after the declaration of war. Future ships in this line should build on the Matadi's, with better engines. The gunboats are mainly suited, with the shallow draft and ability to deal with torpedo boats, for the Caribbean, and should be the main anti-surface patrol group there. Future gunboats should try to add more speed, on the same tonnage. The cutters are the most numerous group in terms of tonnage, and should be located wherever seen fit, in groups of 2-3, to allow for rapid convoy formation. These should build upon the Pitalito's, with minor improvements, such as the adding of torpedoes. The boats should serve as harbor patrol craft, and for other nefarious purposes as proposed by the "Men in Straw Hats." When improved upon, the rifles should be replaced with machine guns.

Mine Vessels:

Orinoco-2
1 2.5'', 12.5 knots, 250 tons

A basic modification of the El Banco type sloops. With this, the speed was reduced to allow for better subdivision, allowing this ship to withstand several mine hits in close proximity. We feel that these are fine for the work they do, but, however, they are due for a refit next year. With that in mind, we think that a minimal AA capacity should be added, perhaps one 47 mm gun, and also that more range be added, so that they can serve in more theater's than just the Darien Canal and the Caribbean.

Rio Negro-12
1 2.5'', 15 knots, 500 tons

An improvement on the previous class. These ship's are optimized for both patrol and minesweeping roles, and as such carry a small party of 12 Marines. These will be due for a refit in a short period of time, and we recommend that an AA gun and a few depth charges be added to allow for more versatility in the patrol role. These ships are suitable for any services in the Caribbean, although more range would be nice, so that it could serve in Africa.

Galerus-3
3 3'', 1 2.5'', 70 mines, 31 knots, 1,000 tons

A fast minelayer, probably one of the fastest in the world. Its role as a destroyer-minelayer is only rivaled by the Swiss Dayan's. With this kind of speed, we feel that these ship's should be attached to the special operations wings of the various fleets. We feel that these should be kept away from battle, since the mines are very vulnerable. We also question why both 2.5'' and 3'' guns are mounted on a ship, and we think that the main battery, when possible, should be switched to a unified 2.5'' battery. Future fast minelayers should build upon these.

Rio Marouini-4
1 2.5'', 15 knots, 500 tons

A improvement on the previous Rio Negro class. This ship is much the same as the previous, with 12 Marines with slightly lighter engines. We recommend that an AA gun be added. The range is suitable for most tasks in the Caribbean and Africa. We think that these will serve well as the most modern minesweepers of the fleet.

Mine Vessel Overview:

The minesweeper force of Gran Columbia appears to be one of the best, quality-wise, in the world. With most being set up to do the dual roles of minesweeping and patrol work, they can be used in a variety of tasks. However, we don't find that 17 are enough for global work. We think that at least 25 should be present, to allow for five squadrons of five. As for the fast minelayers, they are the fastest in the world. Future classes should build upon them, adding some armour to protect the mines and standardizing the armament. Gran Columbia lacks a regular minelayer force, for defense minelaying. WE think that five should be built, based on the Puyo class, but for minelaying. All and all, these is a very decent force, even if it is fairly small compared to we feel is needed.

Fleet Train:

Hesphaestus
Unknown armament, 15 knots, 6,000 tons

When the naval attaché to Romania was asked about this ship by Admiral Burestai, in person, he stated that his files on the matter were incomplete, and out of date. The only information he was able to furnish was that this collier was 30 years old, due for a refit, and had 15 knots worth of speed and was in the manner of 6,000 tons. Based on that, we are estimating the load of coal, as standard in most ex-ACM classes, is in the region of 3,000 tons. We believe that this ship is out-of-date, and should be refurbished ASAP, radically redesigned, into perhaps a midget-sub carrier, or be decommissioned.

Tranquilidad-4
1 3'', 1 2.5'', 14.5 knots, 5,750 tons

One of the most modern colliers in the western hemisphere. With a capacity for almost 13,000 tons of coal, these ship's have a capacity to circle the world twice, without refueling. The speed is decent enough for normal fleet operations, although it could be improved if operation's that require a rapid response are needed. The main problem we find with this ship is that it has both 3'' and 2.5'' guns. This leads to different ammunition supplies, and it would be much easier on logistics if this was not needed. We think that that is the main flaw that should be addressed, when convenient for Gran Columbia.

Lago de Maracaibo-4
1 3'', 1 2.5'', 14.5 knots, 5,750 tons

Half-sisters to the Tranquilidad class, these ships carry oil as a replacement for coal. A interesting feature about these ships is that their engines run on coal, because it is cheaper to procure. The fuel capacity is 13,000 tons, enough to circle the world twice. Although the speed is a little low for high speed mission's, we still view these to be decent ships. The main problem we find with this ship is that it has both 3'' and 2.5'' guns. This leads to different ammunition supplies, and it would be much easier on logistics if this was not needed. We think that that is the main flaw that should be addressed, when convenient for Gran Columbia.

Acuario
12 knots, 500 tons

A water tanker that, during peacetime, delivers water to remote garrisons and islands in the Pacific. It has a capacity for 300 tons of water, enough, from what little we know about water management, to sustain a island under drought control for half a year. In wartime, it will perform the essential duties of providing blockade squadrons with fresh water. We think that this ship lacks in only one regard, the lack of an armament. We think that a simple 47 mm gun will do for the purposes' of this ship. This should be done, whenever convenient for the Armada.

Eder-3
1 3'', 1 2.5'', 14 knots, 5,500 tons

A cargo ship, which is meant for carrying supplies for the Armada, other than ammunition and fuel. Mostly, we believe that this will consist of carrying supplies for a marine division, to support them. This could also be interpreted to carry deck-mounted guns, torpedo carriages, new FC systems, etc., whatever is required for the Armada. We believe that the main flaw of this ship would be the combination of the 3'' and 2.5'' caliber. We think that this should be solved, whenever convenient for the Armada.

Amanbilis-3
1 3'', 1 2.5'', 14 knots, 5,500 tons

A modified Eder class ship, meant for carrying ammunition to the fleet. In this, it can carry a very large capacity, up to 4,200 tons worth of shells. In this regard, it does excellently, but better internal-subdivision would be appreciated to avoid ship destroying explosions. In the contrary of the advice of the famous Philippine Garcia, keep this ship away from battle. We would recommend the removal of the 3'' gun for a extra 2.5'' gun, but, being a ammunition ship, this shouldn't be a problem.

Fleet Train Overview:

The Gran Columbian fleet has one of the largest modern fleet trains in the world, with 14 modern ships built in the last ten years. We find that the oilers and colliers, in particular, are a very numerous group of ships. We also find the specialized ammunition ships, and the water tanker, to be a useful group of ships that will grant the Armada an edge over possible enemies in resupply. However, two areas could use improvement. One could be the lack of fast oilers, to support the Armoured Cruisers. We think that one should be built as soon as convenient. The other is a lack of support tenders, to repair ships after conflict. When possible, two should be built. We find the attention to size and detail for this fleet will be a edge that will grant Gran Columbia better preparedness for battle compared to other nations.

Transports:

Senora Maria-2
1 3'', 17 knots, 2,250 tons

Officially classified in the fleet train, we included this in the transport section of our report because its primary function is to transport remote garrisons, and not to support the fleet. In this regard, it can carry two full companies and supplies for them, with a capacity of 200 men. For now, these are used in the support of remote garrisons in the Pacific. During a war, we recommend that these be used as port assault craft, as with the extra boats, it can be used to quickly secure a minor port. We also think that, for this role, extra light machine guns be added, if the leadership desires to use these transports in this way. These are still very capable transports, fast for their type.

Espiritu de Neuvo Granada-2
6 5.5'', 2 2.5'', 26.5 knots, 22,000 tons

A very fast liner, operated by the Santa Maria cruise line, from Cartagena to Cadiz. During wartime, these ships can operate with a full 4,000 men regiment and equipment. For this reason, we consider these to be the bulk of the amphibious attack regiments, even if they aren't the professional group. Since it will be refitted to military standards in Cartagena, it is recommended that, at the start of a war, they operate with the Caribbean Fleet. We think that these should prove to be very effective, and that a third of the class, if possible, should be built. The range is enough to circle the world.

Senora Evita-8
1 3'', 1 2.5'', 19.5 knots, 5,000 tons

A transport ship that is in the hands of the government. It has the capacity to load a 1,000 men Marine battalion and transport it within two days of finding out. We find that this is a solidly built ship, perhaps a tad slow, but still useful. We would think that trench mortars, for port assault, would be useful. Our major quib with this class is the mixture of the 3'' and 2.5'' guns. This will needlessly complicate supply, and it would be much simpler to have 2 3'' or 2.5'' guns.

Senora Claudia-2
1 3'', 1 2.5'', 19.5 knots, 5,000 tons

A continuation of the line of the Evita. We find that it still has the capacity to hold a entire Marine Battalion, but it also has facilities for coordinating the assault, and flag facilities. Therefore, we recommend that these be the flagships of the amphibious groups, until the Espiritu de Neuvo Granada's arrive on station. Our major quib with this class is the mixture of the 3'' and 2.5'' guns. This will needlessly complicate supply, and it would be much simpler to have 2 3'' or 2.5'' guns.

Transport Overview:

Gran Columbia has one of the largest dedicated transport fleets in the world. This could prove to be useful, considering how many islands are in the Caribbean and Pacific, and the capacity to reach them. We find all types in service to be satisfactory, and we recommend that another Espiritu de Neuvo is laid down, for Pacific service. We think that the dedicated marine capacity should be divided into two segments, the Jamacian and the Pacific, with a Claudia and 4 Evita's in each. We would also think the laying down of another Claudia to be useful, for service in Africa. The Maria's should remain in the Pacific, tasked with supplying remote garrisons and securing small ports.

Depot Ships:

Rubi-3
2 5.5'', 1 2.5'', 14 knots, 5,500 tons

A depot class, specialized for service in supplying submarines. It is heavily armed for its size, and can support up to 15 submarines each. We find that this class is very satisfactory for its size and skills, and we think that it is one of the best submarine support ships in the world. We could recommend adding a floatplane crane to it, to allow for scouting for submarines that are incoming for supplies. Other than that, the only think that could be improved, and is defiantly not necessary, is the speed.

Jade-6
1 3'', 1 2.5'', 14 knots, 2,250 tons

A follow on to the Rubi, intended for support of torpedo boat squadrons and sloop groups. We find these ships to be fine for duty, with one small flaw. The mixture of the 3'' and 2.5'' guns is needless, with it complicating logistics. We recommend that one of these be removed and replaced. The speed could be a tad bit faster, to allow it to sale with the patrol boats. We still find this to be a generally decent class, capable of three kinds of fuel.

Depot Ship Overview:

With the recent reduction of the Depot Ship force of Columbia from 14 to 9, the force has shrunken in recent years. However, ten ships is more than enough for a nation that has Caribbean ports scattered everywhere, and many other ports in the Pacific. We find these ships to be satisfactory for their duties. The Rubi class should be assigned to submarines, with two in the Atlantic and one in the Pacific. The Jabi class is perfect for those older, Havoc-type torpedo boats and the sloops. Therefore, we recommend that these be attached to those classes, with 1 tender per 8 ships. This should allow for the maximum efficiency of the fleet, with no major sacrifices. Future ships should concentrate on making a faster, uniformed-armament Jabi. These truly are the "Gems" of the fleet.

Miscellaneous Auxiliaries:

Rodrigo-3
1 2.5'', 14 knots, 750 tons

A survey class, built during the Great Auxiliary Spurge of 1908. It has a shallow draft, in order to allow it to move in close to shore to perform its job. It also has a shallow water launch on it, to allow for more accurate surveys. We like this ship for the role it performs. Besides the essential surveying work, we think, with minimal effort, that this ship could be converted to look like a merchant ship. With a wireless installed on it, it could give early warning of an assault, allowing the battlefleet to sortie. Of course, in that role, it would need to be supported by a submarine. We find this to be a very capable class.

Ovejas-4
3 3'', 2 2.5'', 25 knots, 750 tons

A fast dispatch boat, built to transport a limited amount of passengers at high speed and to carry dispatches. These ships are probably the last of their kind, due to the advent of wireless. Because of this, we feel that these are uniquely suited to special missions, such as the insertion of agents and commando raids. With this in mind, we recommend that the entire class be transferred to the Bureau of Miscellaneous Affairs, as it is uniquely suited to their missions. Also, we would think that combination of the 3'' and the 2.5'' guns will unnecessarily complicate logistics. These ships are suited for the Caribbean, or the Congo if the plan is to slip agents into Orange, the DKB, French Africa, or New Zion.

Libertad
2 2'', 24.5 knots, 3,250 tons

The presidential yacht, this ship costs more than a protected cruiser twice its size. During peace, of course, the presidential yacht will be for the president and the president alone, so no modifications can even be considered without his express permission. However, during war, this ship is to function as a mobile hospital for the removal of injured troops. In this role, this ship can remove 300 troops at a time, with adequate support staff. We think this is too little for the only mobile hospital in Gran Columbia, but, however, since that isn't going to change, we have no complaints.

Sirio-7
1 2'', 16.5 knots, 1'' belt, 750 tons

A salvage tug for the sake of recoving lost ships and towing others, these ships have a very powerful, if not glamorous, engine. Testing has shown that these ships can consistently tow a Triunfante class battleship at 10 knots for over 2,000 miles. Therefore, during war, these ships should be employed with the battleline, to help the major ships of the Armada survive if disabled. A few could be deployed to the Congo and the Pacific.

Jose Alizandro-5
14 knots, 750 tons

A mobile government office, these ships are used to bring the wonders of taxation to civilians. With this in mind, we find it to be very well, with only one problem. We think that a small gun should be added, to prevent riots from overwhelming the ship. A simple 47 mm gun would do. Another ship, for the Congo, might be considered.

Miscellaneous Auxiliaries review not done, on account of each separate ship being completely different, and discussed in their own segment.

Fleet Overview:

The Gran Columbian fleet is one of the most balanced in the world. We feel that the battleships, in particular, have been designed with the future in mind, and so were designed with room to grow. We have found a flaw spread across most of the main battle-capable fleet, however, a lack of range. We feel that this should be addressed, as this could cause problems if not. Another problem is the lack of standardization between the 3'' gun and the 2.5'' gun. They will cause logistical problems, if one is not decided on, and they are both equally capable. We think that the battleships, and the mid-age protected cruisers should be in the battlefleet. The brand new protected cruisers should be with the Armoured Cruisers, with the better ones being with the Pacific fleet. The destroyers should be divided into their segments, as explained in their report. The riverine fleet should be updated, as it is fairly old, and the Congo needs ships. We feel that a fairly successful version of the French Peniche could be built for river service. All and all, this fleet is very balanced, with attention paid to support ships, attention that would go in other countries to building a extra battleship, that lacks support. Gran Columbia has one of the world's most balanced fleets. We think that it could trump any possible enemy in its weight range in a war. Also, the Bureau of Miscellaneous Affairs should get its own fleet, with a protected cruiser than launches mini-subs from torpedo tubes.

Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: The Rock Doctor on March 03, 2010, 09:36:44 AM
Excellent work.  Thank you.  I will comment on the concluding remarks:

QuoteThe Gran Columbian fleet is one of the most balanced in the world. We feel that the battleships, in particular, have been designed with the future in mind, and so were designed with room to grow.

I have made efforts to these ends, yes.

QuoteWe have found a flaw spread across most of the main battle-capable fleet, however, a lack of range. We feel that this should be addressed, as this could cause problems if not.

A large segment of the Armada was designed at a time when Gran Colombia lacked the Pacific and African holdings it has now; range simply wasn't important.  To be fair, the range of the older torpedo-boats is still low, but that was (I think) reasonable for the time period and the then-role of point defence.

Newer ships, clearly, are being designed with longer legs.

QuoteAnother problem is the lack of standardization between the 3'' gun and the 2.5'' gun. They will cause logistical problems, if one is not decided on, and they are both equally capable.

The 3" is an anti-surface gun, and is not seeing a lot of new usage.  The 65mm has anti-surface and anti-balloon variants; where it appears on ships that also mount 3", the 65mm is the anti-balloon variant.

QuoteWe think that the battleships, and the mid-age protected cruisers should be in the battlefleet. The brand new protected cruisers should be with the Armoured Cruisers, with the better ones being with the Pacific fleet.

The protected cruisers are generally allocated in this way, as the latest ones have been designed with speed and range to pace the fast ACs.  The slower protected cruisers remain adequate speed-wise for battleline ops, though range is lacking.

QuoteThe destroyers should be divided into their segments, as explained in their report.

Actual usage is generally consistent with the recommendations.

QuoteThe riverine fleet should be updated, as it is fairly old, and the Congo needs ships. We feel that a fairly successful version of the French Peniche could be built for river service.

The Amazon fleet remains adequate, since all neighbouring powers on it are friendly.  The Congo will get some new toys as the port at Villa Leopold is completed - however, the Colombians are not keen to start a river arms race with the French. 

QuoteAll and all, this fleet is very balanced, with attention paid to support ships, attention that would go in other countries to building a extra battleship, that lacks support. Gran Columbia has one of the world's most balanced fleets. We think that it could trump any possible enemy in its weight range in a war. Also, the Bureau of Miscellaneous Affairs should get its own fleet, with a protected cruiser than launches mini-subs from torpedo tubes.

More fleet train elements are in the works - oilers, stores ships, attack cargo ships, transports.  A couple a year is easily sustained and not very expensive.

I could not possibly comment on the last bit.


Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: P3D on March 03, 2010, 02:30:45 PM
Report missing the two Invencibles.
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: The Rock Doctor on March 03, 2010, 02:36:13 PM
Don't have them at this point.  One actually got covered in the Rohirrim report.
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: TexanCowboy on March 03, 2010, 03:33:11 PM
One in DKB, one in Rohan...that one got covered as the Brandywine.

Yes, no comment on the mini-sub idea...but it's nessasary! Think of the lives you can ruin with it!
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: Desertfox on March 03, 2010, 03:47:56 PM
Well they already have the mini subs...

(http://www.davickservices.com/ColumbianDrugSub.jpg)

;D
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: Ithekro on March 03, 2010, 06:09:57 PM
So...where are these Invincibles?
Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: TexanCowboy on March 03, 2010, 06:13:05 PM
As I just said:
Quote from: TexanCowboy on March 03, 2010, 03:33:11 PM
One in DKB, one in Rohan...that one got covered as the Brandywine.

Title: Re: Gran Colombia News, 1918
Post by: Ithekro on March 03, 2010, 06:48:42 PM
Oh that Invincible.  I thought you were talking about the Swiss ships of that name.