Was thinking of something like this as a station ship/CDS for Paderborn-Delbrock and Goa. Basically a CErsatz Odin, Brandenburger Küstenpanzerschiffen laid down 1918 (Engine 1916)
Displacement:
9,000 t light; 9,517 t standard; 10,082 t normal; 10,534 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
393.70 ft / 393.70 ft x 65.62 ft x 22.80 ft (normal load)
120.00 m / 120.00 m x 20.00 m x 6.95 m
Armament:
6 - 9.45" / 240 mm guns (2x3 guns), 418.88lbs / 190.00kg shells, 1913 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
10 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1908 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
10 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
4 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns in single mounts, 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 1900 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
Weight of broadside 3,594 lbs / 1,630 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 10.2" / 260 mm 255.91 ft / 78.00 m 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
Ends: 2.56" / 65 mm 137.80 ft / 42.00 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Upper: 5.12" / 130 mm 255.91 ft / 78.00 m 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10.2" / 260 mm 3.94" / 100 mm 9.45" / 240 mm
2nd: 5.12" / 130 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 2.76" / 70 mm
3rd: 1.57" / 40 mm - -
- Armour deck: 2.95" / 75 mm, Conning tower: 10.24" / 260 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 17,000 shp / 12,682 Kw = 20.04 kts
Range 6,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,017 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
502 - 653
Cost:
£1.590 million / $6.361 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 455 tons, 4.5 %
Armour: 4,396 tons, 43.6 %
- Belts: 2,496 tons, 24.8 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 766 tons, 7.6 %
- Armour Deck: 1,031 tons, 10.2 %
- Conning Tower: 103 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 697 tons, 6.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,152 tons, 31.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,082 tons, 10.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 3.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
16,151 lbs / 7,326 Kg = 38.3 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 2.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 15.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.53
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.41
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.599
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -4.10 ft / -1.25 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Stern: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Average freeboard: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 61.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 117.5 %
Waterplane Area: 18,877 Square feet or 1,754 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 113 lbs/sq ft or 551 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.91
- Longitudinal: 2.32
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
250t 1912 Fire Control
25t 1905 Sehendes Auge
25t Weight ReserveDS.
Not sure I care for it. I thought you were trying to modernize your fleet, remove the older, slower ships. That just brings you back to your problem. Best to build 1 16,000 ton ship with 25-26 knot speed, and with 8 guns.
Tis neither fish nor fowl. I'd prefer one of your panzerkreuzers from the other thread for the role over this design.
IMO,
You could reduce protection for 12" shell & increase the speed to work with BBs in coastal operation.
A kind of ship like this one but with more protection but smaller guns ;)
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=3953.0
Jef ;)
I agree with the others, while it would dominate any of the Bharat or Mughal ships would it really be useful anyplace else? I would suggest instead building a cruiser with the same gun size, 240mm, but normal armor and speed.
Or putting an older battleship there instead.
Michael
Quote from: miketr on October 26, 2009, 07:47:43 AMI agree with the others, while it would dominate any of the Bharat or Mughal ships would it really be useful anyplace else? I would suggest instead building a cruiser with the same gun size, 240mm, but normal armor and speed.
But I doubt that would fit on 9,000t.
Quote from: miketr on October 26, 2009, 07:47:43 AMOr putting an older battleship there instead.
I don't have anymore to send there. One in Dar-es-Salaam, one in Hai Phong, one in Mombasa. That covers all 3 PDNs. Plus Hyäne, a semi-CDS in Vögeldreck. Now I need something to cover Sarawak, Goa, Paderborn-Delbrock, and Aden so I don't have to send REAL ships there.
Could coast defense batteries allied with controlled detonation mine fields be a better option in some or all of those places?
There is one truism of coast defense: you can't sink a gun on land...
Quote from: Guinness on October 26, 2009, 03:01:53 PM
Could coast defense batteries allied with controlled detonation mine fields be a better option in some or all of those places?
There is one truism of coast defense: you can't sink a gun on land...
The man makes a good point.