I need someone to build me this monster. Up to its gills in armour, I present to you, the
Mastrocitic.
Mastrovitic, Romania Light Battleship laid down 1917 (Engine 1912)
Displacement:
18,458 t light; 19,568 t standard; 21,075 t normal; 22,281 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
559.27 ft / 557.00 ft x 64.00 ft x 28.00 ft (normal load)
170.47 m / 169.77 m x 19.51 m x 8.53 m
Armament:
6 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (3x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1917 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
Main guns limited to end-on fire
2 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (1x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1917 Model
Breech loading guns in a turret (on a barbette)
on centreline amidships
8 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1917 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1917 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
6 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1917 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 7,915 lbs / 3,590 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 15.0" / 381 mm 557.00 ft / 169.77 m 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 154 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 10.0" / 254 mm 10.0" / 254 mm
2nd: 14.0" / 356 mm 10.0" / 254 mm 10.0" / 254 mm
3rd: 11.0" / 279 mm 4.00" / 102 mm -
4th: 11.0" / 279 mm 4.00" / 102 mm -
5th: 2.00" / 51 mm - -
- Armour deck: 3.50" / 89 mm, Conning tower: 14.00" / 356 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 40,658 shp / 30,331 Kw = 23.00 kts
Range 8,098nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,713 tons
Complement:
873 - 1,136
Cost:
£3.098 million / $12.393 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 989 tons, 4.7 %
Armour: 9,297 tons, 44.1 %
- Belts: 4,946 tons, 23.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 2,206 tons, 10.5 %
- Armour Deck: 1,915 tons, 9.1 %
- Conning Tower: 230 tons, 1.1 %
Machinery: 1,621 tons, 7.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,251 tons, 29.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,617 tons, 12.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.4 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
27,471 lbs / 12,461 Kg = 31.8 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 3.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.01
Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 16.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 47 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1.09
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.11
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.739
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.70 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.60 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 40
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25.96 ft / 7.91 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 16.52 ft / 5.04 m
- Mid (50 %): 16.52 ft / 5.04 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.52 ft / 5.04 m
- Stern: 16.52 ft / 5.04 m
- Average freeboard: 17.28 ft / 5.27 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 63.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 106.6 %
Waterplane Area: 29,572 Square feet or 2,747 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 138 lbs/sq ft or 672 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.40
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
No problem, French yards will build it to your specifications.
What are you willing to pay for it?
At least $23.125,and the 18.5 BP in other forms, buying French BP in $ is rather expensive.
I was looking for a poorer country, one that I can exchange techs for for it.
Especialy a poorer country can ill afford building a BB for another country without a large $ injection.
In any case, you can reduce the $ pricetag with 25% , but then the maintenance/upkeep cost is increased with 25%.
By that, I mean countries I can exchange tech with, in lieu of cash or BP.
1)Does Romania have AoN tech?
2)Wasted material. Too thick belt. 13.5-14" is fine, use weight saved to increase barbette armor.
3)170.47m > 170m limit on type 2 Slip/Dock
4a)L:B is high, BC is HUGE (0.739). She's a floating brick.
4b)Above makes her unstable/unsteady. Kills flotation and gunfire accuracy.
Wider is your friend here. Go 7:1 L:B, see what happens. She'll get heavier true, but she's almost worthless in combat w/ a 47% gunfire and 1.01 stability. ANY Underwater damage, or flooding for other reasons and you're SOL.
Thats not AON. The entire ship is coated in 15'' armour.
The the belt will be exposed once the ship starts to move. The ship - under the freeboard - is unprotected.
What? Logi, what do you mean?
Quote6 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (3x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1917 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
Main guns limited to end-on fire
If you increase beam to 23m/75,5 foot ,the Main guns limited to end-on fire ,limitation disappear ,also since you dont have Light Cruiser Architecture - Main battery in deck mounts/casemates :1910 Cutting Edge (+5): twin gun mounts (require hoists); powered gun mounts; unrestricted weapon armor your sec gun is limited to 1" armor.
E.G or alternate design for Mastrovitic:ROMANIA, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1917 (Engine 1912)
Displacement:
16.000 t light; 17.069 t standard; 19.038 t normal; 20.614 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
557,74 ft / 554,27 ft x 75,46 ft x 26,25 ft (normal load)
170,00 m / 168,94 m x 23,00 m x 8,00 m
Armament:
6 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (3 mounts), 864,00lbs / 391,90kg shells, 1917 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 3 raised guns - superfiring
2 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (1x2 guns), 864,00lbs / 391,90kg shells, 1917 Model
Breech loading guns in a turret (on a barbette)
on centreline amidships
8 - 5,00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62,50lbs / 28,35kg shells, 1917 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 - 5,00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62,50lbs / 28,35kg shells, 1917 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
6 - 1,00" / 25,4 mm guns in single mounts, 0,50lbs / 0,23kg shells, 1917 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 7.915 lbs / 3.590 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14,0" / 356 mm 360,27 ft / 109,81 m 10,42 ft / 3,18 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14,0" / 356 mm 10,0" / 254 mm 10,0" / 254 mm
2nd: 14,0" / 356 mm 10,0" / 254 mm 10,0" / 254 mm
3rd: 1,00" / 25 mm 1,00" / 25 mm -
4th: 1,00" / 25 mm 1,00" / 25 mm -
5th: 1,00" / 25 mm - -
- Armour deck: 3,50" / 89 mm, Conning tower: 14,00" / 356 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 37.592 shp / 28.044 Kw = 23,00 kts
Range 8.100nm at 14,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3.545 tons
Complement:
809 - 1.053
Cost:
£2,911 million / $11,643 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 989 tons, 5,2 %
Armour: 6.318 tons, 33,2 %
- Belts: 2.266 tons, 11,9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Armament: 1.843 tons, 9,7 %
- Armour Deck: 1.994 tons, 10,5 %
- Conning Tower: 215 tons, 1,1 %
Machinery: 1.499 tons, 7,9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6.893 tons, 36,2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3.039 tons, 16,0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1,6 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
24.943 lbs / 11.314 Kg = 28,9 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 3,1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,03
Metacentric height 3,5 ft / 1,1 m
Roll period: 17,0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 62 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,81
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,23
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,607
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,35 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23,54 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 16,47 ft / 5,02 m
- Mid (50 %): 16,47 ft / 5,02 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16,47 ft / 5,02 m
- Stern: 16,47 ft / 5,02 m
- Average freeboard: 16,73 ft / 5,10 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 68,2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119,4 %
Waterplane Area: 30.790 Square feet or 2.861 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 155 lbs/sq ft or 758 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,96
- Longitudinal: 1,50
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
I'll think about it. Tell you what. Lets make this a competition. Who can design a ship using 8 12'' guns weighing under 19,000 tons, with a offer to build it.
I would design it, but I wouldn't build it. Rather I wouldn't be able to with my packed schedule soon.
Well, here's an option. You have no new tech, scrap, or territory to offer me, and I suspect you want to use your BP for yourself, so we're looking at a cash deal.
It would cost Gran Colombia $22.38 and 17.9 BP to build to Romanian standards, and that's without a profit. So - I'll build her for $75 of your civilian budget, paid equally in the five half-years it would take to construct her.
If the twin turret is placed amidships, non-superfiring, the deck armor can be bumped to 75mm.
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Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1916
Displacement:
17,898 t light; 18,777 t standard; 19,615 t normal; 20,285 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
496.70 ft / 492.13 ft x 88.58 ft x 26.25 ft (normal load)
151.39 m / 150.00 m x 27.00 m x 8.00 m
Armament:
6 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (2x3 guns), 865.70lbs / 392.68kg shells, 1916 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (1x2 guns), 865.70lbs / 392.68kg shells, 1916 Model
Breech loading guns in a turret (on a barbette)
on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1916 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
4 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1916 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 7,678 lbs / 3,483 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 110
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.6" / 320 mm 319.88 ft / 97.50 m 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
Ends: 3.94" / 100 mm 172.21 ft / 52.49 m 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
Upper: 5.91" / 150 mm 319.88 ft / 97.50 m 11.29 ft / 3.44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.57" / 40 mm 319.88 ft / 97.50 m 24.74 ft / 7.54 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 12.6" / 320 mm 5.91" / 150 mm 12.6" / 320 mm
2nd: 12.6" / 320 mm 5.91" / 150 mm 12.6" / 320 mm
3rd: 1.97" / 50 mm - -
- Armour deck: 2.36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 12.60" / 320 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 41,423 shp / 30,901 Kw = 23.00 kts
Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,508 tons)
Complement:
828 - 1,077
Cost:
£2.698 million / $10.791 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 960 tons, 4.9 %
Armour: 7,675 tons, 39.1 %
- Belts: 3,965 tons, 20.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 461 tons, 2.4 %
- Armament: 1,658 tons, 8.5 %
- Armour Deck: 1,393 tons, 7.1 %
- Conning Tower: 197 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 1,543 tons, 7.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,320 tons, 37.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,717 tons, 8.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 2.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
22,797 lbs / 10,340 Kg = 26.3 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 3.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
Roll period: 16.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.48
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.15
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.600
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.56 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.18 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25.92 ft / 7.90 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 22.97 ft / 7.00 m (15.09 ft / 4.60 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.09 ft / 4.60 m
- Stern: 15.09 ft / 4.60 m
- Average freeboard: 19.27 ft / 5.87 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 137.3 %
Waterplane Area: 31,884 Square feet or 2,962 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 166 lbs/sq ft or 809 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 2.08
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
I could live with that. Could you move the superfiring turret to the front and put a non-superfiring one amidship and in the aft, making 8 guns in total?
Really? That's a hefty profit he's making off you! :o
Shhhh...
He's making me spend military funds and BP - I'm extorting him out of a heap of his civilian budget.
So two twins forward, one amidships, one aft? Let me tinker. I expect the additional turret mass will cause some slippage somewhere.
Modified. I'm tinkering with my older Invencible to see what a radical reconstruction would cost as an alternative.
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Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1916
Displacement:
17,898 t light; 18,777 t standard; 19,615 t normal; 20,285 t full load
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1916
Displacement:
17,898 t light; 18,777 t standard; 19,615 t normal; 20,285 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
496.75 ft / 492.13 ft x 88.58 ft x 26.25 ft (normal load)
151.41 m / 150.00 m x 27.00 m x 8.00 m
Armament:
6 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (3x2 guns), 865.70lbs / 392.68kg shells, 1916 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
2 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (1x2 guns), 865.70lbs / 392.68kg shells, 1916 Model
Breech loading guns in a turret (on a barbette)
on centreline amidships
12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1916 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
4 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1916 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 7,678 lbs / 3,483 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 110
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.6" / 320 mm 311.68 ft / 95.00 m 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
Ends: 3.94" / 100 mm 180.41 ft / 54.99 m 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
Upper: 5.91" / 150 mm 311.68 ft / 95.00 m 11.29 ft / 3.44 m
Main Belt covers 97 % of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.57" / 40 mm 311.68 ft / 95.00 m 24.74 ft / 7.54 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 12.6" / 320 mm 5.91" / 150 mm 12.6" / 320 mm
2nd: 12.6" / 320 mm 5.91" / 150 mm 12.6" / 320 mm
3rd: 1.97" / 50 mm - -
- Armour deck: 2.36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 12.60" / 320 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 40,000 shp / 29,840 Kw = 22.80 kts
Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,508 tons)
Complement:
828 - 1,077
Cost:
£2.686 million / $10.742 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 960 tons, 4.9 %
Armour: 7,941 tons, 40.5 %
- Belts: 3,914 tons, 20.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 449 tons, 2.3 %
- Armament: 1,987 tons, 10.1 %
- Armour Deck: 1,393 tons, 7.1 %
- Conning Tower: 197 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 1,490 tons, 7.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,101 tons, 36.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,717 tons, 8.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 405 tons, 2.1 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
22,581 lbs / 10,242 Kg = 26.1 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 3.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
Roll period: 16.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.12
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.600
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.56 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.18 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 22.31 ft / 6.80 m
- Mid (50 %): 22.31 ft / 6.80 m (14.44 ft / 4.40 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 14.44 ft / 4.40 m
- Stern: 14.44 ft / 4.40 m
- Average freeboard: 18.69 ft / 5.70 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 132.5 %
Waterplane Area: 31,884 Square feet or 2,962 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 162 lbs/sq ft or 789 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.92
- Longitudinal: 1.93
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Alright, this is reconstructed Invencible.
A fourth turret is added aft, superfiring, between the two existing turrets. Main battery is replaced with 305/45cal guns (currently 40cal). Lesser armament is replaced - one set of hull casemates aft is crowded out by the new turret, but sixteen secondaries can still be shipped by using two of the old 100mm positions in the forward superstructure.
Bulges added.
Oil firing, higher speed. More miscellaneous weight to allow fire control.
No alteration to armor - the height of the belt of this ship remains a deficiency to me.
Estimated cost: ~$12 and ~5.6 BP for me, plus costs for refitting to Romanian standard. It would certainly cost you less, but I can't say I have a particular figure in mind at this moment.
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Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1907 (Engine 1916)
Displacement:
17,479 t light; 18,546 t standard; 19,400 t normal; 20,083 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
557.74 ft / 557.74 ft x 82.02 ft (Bulges 85.30 ft) x 23.79 ft (normal load)
170.00 m / 170.00 m x 25.00 m (Bulges 26.00 m) x 7.25 m
Armament:
8 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 865.70lbs / 392.67kg shells, 1907 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
16 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1907 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
14 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
2 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.38lbs / 3.80kg shells, 1907 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 7,942 lbs / 3,603 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.0" / 330 mm 362.53 ft / 110.50 m 10.86 ft / 3.31 m
Ends: 4.33" / 110 mm 195.18 ft / 59.49 m 10.86 ft / 3.31 m
Upper: 6.50" / 165 mm 362.53 ft / 110.50 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13.0" / 330 mm 6.50" / 165 mm 13.0" / 330 mm
2nd: 6.50" / 165 mm - -
3rd: 1.30" / 33 mm - -
- Armour deck: 2.36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 12.99" / 330 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 40,000 shp / 29,840 Kw = 23.20 kts
Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,537 tons)
Complement:
821 - 1,068
Cost:
£1.654 million / $6.617 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 993 tons, 5.1 %
Armour: 7,272 tons, 37.5 %
- Belts: 3,383 tons, 17.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 2,225 tons, 11.5 %
- Armour Deck: 1,462 tons, 7.5 %
- Conning Tower: 202 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 1,490 tons, 7.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,324 tons, 37.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,921 tons, 9.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 2.1 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
29,942 lbs / 13,581 Kg = 34.6 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 3.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 4.6 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 16.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.56
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.39
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.600
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.54 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Stern: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Average freeboard: 20.21 ft / 6.16 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 67.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152.8 %
Waterplane Area: 33,458 Square feet or 3,108 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 153 lbs/sq ft or 748 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.61
- Overall: 1.02
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
It's very fat. Besides that, I'm waiting for more submissions.
Quote from: TexanCowboy on September 19, 2009, 08:48:24 PM
It's very fat.
Fat= high stability and steadiness. Better accuracy on your fire and better ability to take punishment from others
Explains why my designs fail.
A "fat" ship that is very slender, based upon the succesfull Marat/Robbespiere. Her top and cruise speed as well as range is based on the modern French desings. The Gangut (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/Gangut_battleship.jpg) style lay out of the 4 main gun turrets contributed to the inherent stability.
Same "battleship financing" terms as the Gran Colombians.
QuoteTransylvania, Romanian Battleship laid down 1916 (Engine 1912)
Displacement:
17.996 t light; 18.980 t standard; 21.500 t normal; 23.516 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
557,74 ft / 554,46 ft x 94,16 ft x 26,25 ft (normal load)
170,00 m / 169,00 m x 28,70 m x 8,00 m
Armament:
8 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 864,00lbs / 391,90kg shells, 1916 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, evenly spread
Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
18 - 5,00" / 127 mm guns (12 mounts), 62,50lbs / 28,35kg shells, 1916 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, 8 raised mounts - superfiring
10 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
4 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1916 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 8.079 lbs / 3.665 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 120
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13,0" / 330 mm 293,86 ft / 89,57 m 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
Ends: 6,00" / 152 mm 260,58 ft / 79,42 m 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
Upper: 6,00" / 152 mm 293,86 ft / 89,57 m 8,00 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 82% of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1,75" / 44 mm 293,86 ft / 89,57 m 25,00 ft / 7,62 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 12,0" / 305 mm 10,0" / 254 mm 12,0" / 305 mm
2nd: 2,00" / 51 mm 1,00" / 25 mm 3,00" / 76 mm
3rd: 0,50" / 13 mm 0,50" / 13 mm -
- Armour deck: 3,00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 12,00" / 305 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 34.400 shp / 25.662 Kw = 22,00 kts
Range 7.000nm at 16,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4.535 tons
Complement:
887 - 1.154
Cost:
£2,733 million / $10,932 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1.010 tons, 4,7%
Armour: 8.009 tons, 37,3%
- Belts: 3.475 tons, 16,2%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 476 tons, 2,2%
- Armament: 1.838 tons, 8,5%
- Armour Deck: 2.021 tons, 9,4%
- Conning Tower: 200 tons, 0,9%
Machinery: 1.372 tons, 6,4%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7.305 tons, 34,0%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3.504 tons, 16,3%
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1,4%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
33.787 lbs / 15.325 Kg = 39,1 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 6,8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,15
Metacentric height 5,9 ft / 1,8 m
Roll period: 16,3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,34
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,20
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,549
Length to Beam Ratio: 5,89 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23,55 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Forecastle (24%): 15,26 ft / 4,65 m
- Mid (50%): 15,09 ft / 4,60 m
- Quarterdeck (23%): 15,09 ft / 4,60 m
- Stern: 15,09 ft / 4,60 m
- Average freeboard: 15,89 ft / 4,84 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 74,5%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 118,3%
Waterplane Area: 36.407 Square feet or 3.382 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 152 lbs/sq ft or 744 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,97
- Longitudinal: 1,29
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
$25 per HY isnt a bad Price for a ship like that if you can find someone to builder hor you.
Design bureau Hamburg:
Mastrovitic, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1917 (Engine 1912)
Displacement:
18.280 t light; 19.173 t standard; 20.723 t normal; 21.963 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
557,28 ft / 553,81 ft x 88,58 ft x 28,22 ft (normal load)
169,86 m / 168,80 m x 27,00 m x 8,60 m
Armament:
8 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 864,00lbs / 391,90kg shells, 1917 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 5,00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62,50lbs / 28,35kg shells, 1917 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,88kg shells, 1917 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 7.670 lbs / 3.479 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 110
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13,8" / 350 mm 356,79 ft / 108,75 m 11,29 ft / 3,44 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 3,94" / 100 mm 415,85 ft / 126,75 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13,8" / 350 mm 9,84" / 250 mm 11,8" / 300 mm
2nd: 0,50" / 13 mm - -
- Armour deck: 3,94" / 100 mm, Conning tower: 13,78" / 350 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 46.187 shp / 34.455 Kw = 24,00 kts
Range 6.000nm at 14,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2.790 tons
Complement:
863 - 1.122
Cost:
£3,096 million / $12,385 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 959 tons, 4,6 %
Armour: 7.621 tons, 36,8 %
- Belts: 2.977 tons, 14,4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Armament: 1.985 tons, 9,6 %
- Armour Deck: 2.434 tons, 11,7 %
- Conning Tower: 224 tons, 1,1 %
Machinery: 1.842 tons, 8,9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7.410 tons, 35,8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.443 tons, 11,8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 450 tons, 2,2 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
27.793 lbs / 12.607 Kg = 32,2 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 3,6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,04
Metacentric height 4,5 ft / 1,4 m
Roll period: 17,5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 58 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,48
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,15
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,524
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,25 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23,53 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Forecastle (10 %): 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Mid (70 %): 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Stern: 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Average freeboard: 16,54 ft / 5,04 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 66,8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 121,0 %
Waterplane Area: 33.416 Square feet or 3.104 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 160 lbs/sq ft or 779 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,95
- Longitudinal: 1,60
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
This contest will end at 12:00 am, tomarrow.
Could offer to built an other Atahualpa BB - 18BPs - 18$
But I have no DD or SW free in 1917-1918...
So, my offer = 0
:D :D :D
I maybe would do that...
The contest results will now be annouced.
The French design is the winner. It was the best that could be done out of both the political and military situation.
The Gran Columbian design was judged to have way to have a extremely small belt, endangering the ship as a whole.
The Baltic Confederation designs were liked, but were impossible with the current war with the Netherlands.