As you might know (you surely do, because you've seen the design in the forum, haven't you? ;)), I'm planning to build a Battleship using triple 13.5 inch mounts.
However such a mount is not available for the NUS, and developing it would take quite a long time (according to the rules 6 months per barrel=3 HYs). Our navy intends the ships to be started during H2/1915, but the mounts won't be ready until one year later (3HYs to develop, ship can be launched in the next HY). Moreover, our most powerful current gun is a 13''/40, while we would want 13''/45 guns or higher.
So, the NUS makes a public offer to anyone who's willing to build eight of those mounts and ships them to the NUS. Of course if several offers are received, we will decide between them.
Payment would be delivered HY1/1916 (or Hy2, whatever you want) given that I'm still in 1915 while you guys are at 1916. There should be no real problem in simming the agreement, I build the BBs with those guns for the usual price, and send you the ammount you earn in the agreement.
Thanks in advance, and let's hear offers! (both here or via PM :))
The CSA has a triple 13.5" mount which it would be happy to sell. However, the Confederate State Department isn't likely to approve a sale to a member of the Southern Cross Alliance.
What to do... What to do...
If the NUS were to leave the Southern Cross, why that would make this decision a whole lot easier. I bet we'd even beat any low bid.
Well, the CSA could sell those guns to Japan who could sell them on to the NUS. ;D
LOL
as for leaving the Alianza...nope, not very likely ;)
Quote from: Walter on February 23, 2009, 09:44:32 AM
Well, the CSA could sell those guns to Japan who could sell them on to the NUS. ;D
And make a healthy markup along the way too, I'm sure. No thanks. :P
Hmmmmmm!!!!
Not the same material... Maintenance problems to come
Use 6T2x13"5 on your BB.
Or choose Alianza turrets
Jef ;)
Gran Columbia has a 350mm in triple mounts the problem is they are not free to provide the gun itself; thats Dutch. If you could work out a deal with the Netherlands you could adopt the Dutch weapona and the GC turret. The Iberian 350mm is of a different design so you can't slap it into the GC turret and Iberia only has a twin turret for it.
Michael
Quote from: miketr on February 23, 2009, 10:23:09 AM
Gran Columbia has a 350mm in triple mounts the problem is they are not free to provide the gun itself; thats Dutch. If you could work out a deal with the Netherlands you could adopt the Dutch weapona and the GC turret. The Iberian 350mm is of a different design so you can't slap it into the GC turret and Iberia only has a twin turret for it.
Michael
Yes, I know about the GC turret. And also know why I can't use it directly. There's no 13.5'' triple mount within the Alianza right now, other than the GC's ones and those are restricted because of the licence thingie. That's why I'm doing this thread ;). The nearest thing in alliance inventory is the peruvian triple mounts, but those are of a somewhat inferior caliber. If worse comes to it, I'll strike a deal with them, but for the time being I want to see if I can get the mount and guns the NUS really wants :).
Of course if I can get a deal with netherlands so they give permission to GC to build the guns for us, that would be also nice...it's a possiblity, lets see if Korpen agrees to it :)
What goes round goes round ... the Skoda 13,5"/40/1250lbs, which the NUS has, are derived from a CSA design :)
So, putting them in the CSA turrets should not be that much of a problem :D
Borys
Look across the South Atlantic, we should be able to make a deal. With 13.5"/40 or 45 guns - or without guns if NUS prefers the same ammunition. I am exporting weapons to everyone including their in-laws, why a friendly stale like NUS should not be included?
nice...PM me with a price offer then, P3D :)
The foreign ministry has released a press note:
"We are proud to announce that there were several answers to our formal request for the turrets to be used in the Independencia class Battleships.
Those proposals were, in general, good and generous. However the most generous one came from the ESC, and so we gladly accepted it.
It is, so, that the ESC will build the turrets for us at no extra economic overcharge (OOC: no extra BP or $ cost over their true price) in exchange for the transfer of 1908 ASW technology from the NUS to the ESC.
As it always happen with an international competition, one wins the deal and the rest doesn't. That's why, from the NUS Foreign Ministry,we still want to thank all those nations who contacted us with offers. Maybe in this topic they didnt' get a contract, but their attention and good will towards us won't be forgotten.
Signed:
Sr. Don José Velasco
Sub-secretary of Foreign Affairs, NUS.
Somewhat suprised that the NUS goes for such an old L40 design rarther then a more modern L45 design for the largest ship the NUS ever built.
Quote from: Korpen on February 24, 2009, 05:09:33 AM
Somewhat suprised that the NUS goes for such an old L40 design rarther then a more modern L45 design for the largest ship the NUS ever built.
Huhhm?. I assumed the ESC turret is for 13.5''/45 guns or higher. That's explicitly said in the formal petition. The ESC offer is for 350mm triple turrets, BTW. A bit more than what we asked for but not a problem to fit them into the ship.
Will contact ledeper about it anyway, but I'm pretty sure they were 350mm/45s.
Quote from: RAM on February 24, 2009, 05:16:54 AM
Quote from: Korpen on February 24, 2009, 05:09:33 AM
Somewhat suprised that the NUS goes for such an old L40 design rarther then a more modern L45 design for the largest ship the NUS ever built.
Huhhm?. I assumed the ESC turret is for 13.5''/45 guns or higher. That's explicitly said in the formal petition. The ESC offer is for 350mm triple turrets, BTW. A bit more than what we asked for but not a problem to fit them into the ship.
Will contact ledeper about it anyway, but I'm pretty sure they were 350mm/45s.
Well, looking at his listing: http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=2853.msg30697#msg30697 there is no L45 gun. I also looked trough his report, could not find any 35/L45 developed (or rather integrated, as they got a standing offer to copy my designs, as long as it is not exported further).
That said, how would the ship look with 8x38 (L45) guns instead? ;)
Yes it also struck me as strange at first, but if he offered them to me, then it's that he has developed them...well, I assumed so. If it's not the case, of course I'll have to re-evaluate the offers I received.
38cm guns is a far too big step ahead. For now the NUS' bigger guns fire 12'' shells. I'd rather go by incremental steps and build a 13.5'' ship before going that much up the gun caliber. Jumping up to 15 inch from 12 inch is a very sharp jump indeed.
At a later stage, who knows? I may go bigger :). But for now I think I'll stay with 13.5 inchers (or similar)
Somebody has 15/45?
Borys
I think several people have those.
In the end it's 1911 tech.
The development of the French 380mm comes forth of the 1907 340mm L45 gun, as seen on the Napoleon the Great and the Valeurs.
Quote from: Borys on February 24, 2009, 08:44:51 AM
Somebody has 15/45?
Borys
Yes, the Netherlands have 38/45s (since 1/1915).
The french 15/42 (40) got a fair bit lower power (about 86% as much as a L45)
OK, so there are a few 15"/45's around.
So, looks that I should get around to researching the 1911 level ...
Borys
Quote from: Borys on February 24, 2009, 09:46:44 AM
OK, so there are a few 15"/45's around.
So, looks that I should get around to researching the 1911 level ...
Borys
Not so may around (yet), Think I and Rhoan is the only ones who got a 1911-level gun ready for service, Oranje went for 406mm guns and France can have one ready in 1916/2 at the earliest.
Press note released by the NUS foreign ministry.
"According to the data the Navy has received, the mounts offered by the ESC are triple 14''L40, which were developed in 1909 http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=1682.msg17723#msg17723.
The official request this ministry released some dates ago call for triple mount carrying 13.5''/L45 or L50 rifles. Seems that our specifications weren't clear enough, and we apologize for that. We will reinstate the request:
The NUS is asking for triple mounts with 13.5''/L45 or L50 guns. Caliber slightly higher or lower will be accepted for consideration.
We're reopening for a brief time the window for incoming offers. We're also reconsidering the other offers we already received. Shortly we will publish the winner of the contract.
We want to reinstate our apologies to the ESC, for we believe that our specifications could've been published in a more clear way. We're also sorry because we had to turn the deal down once we had, seemingly, agreed to award them the contract. I hope that the NUS and ESC can carry cooperation and fruitful relationships in the future."
Press note from the Foreign Ministry of the NUS.
"it is for our satisfaction that we announce the winner of the contract involving the constructin of the four turrets for the new NUS battleship, Independencia. Those turrets, four triples with 13.5''/L45 guns, will be finally built by the Republic of Orange and purchased by the NUS.
It is for our satisfaction, aswell, that after having to turn down the initial ESC offer of a triple 350mm/L40 turret, we have reached an agreement with them, to purchase the licence of their 300mm/L50 triple turret and associated guns, in exchange for blueprints and details on our current navy's anti-submarine technology.
We also want to extend our gratitude to all those nations who sent us an offer to compete for the contract. As we already mentioned in a previous press release, this timec they didnt' get a contract, but their attention and good will towards us won't be forgotten in the future."