Ahoj!
Design 1914-13-3-12
Carries the new 13,5"/45/1500 lbs guns. A-Q-X arragement.
By this time I should have type 3 slips and docks :)
Habsburger Schlachtschiff laid down 1914 (Engine 1912)
Displacement:
28 101 t light; 29 931 t standard; 31 535 t normal; 32 818 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
640,00 ft / 640,00 ft x 100,00 ft x 29,23 ft (normal load)
195,07 m / 195,07 m x 30,48 m x 8,91 m
Armament:
12 - 13,50" / 343 mm guns (3x4 guns), 1 500,00lbs / 680,39kg shells, 1914 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, evenly spread
Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
12 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1914 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
6 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
12 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1914 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
8 - 0,43" / 11,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,04lbs / 0,02kg shells, 1914 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 19 362 lbs / 8 783 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 110
4 - 20,0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13,0" / 330 mm 370,00 ft / 112,78 m 18,00 ft / 5,49 m
Ends: 4,00" / 102 mm 270,00 ft / 82,30 m 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
Upper: 8,00" / 203 mm 350,00 ft / 106,68 m 10,50 ft / 3,20 m
Main Belt covers 89% of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1,50" / 38 mm 350,00 ft / 106,68 m 48,00 ft / 14,63 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13,0" / 330 mm 6,00" / 152 mm 11,0" / 279 mm
2nd: 6,00" / 152 mm - 2,00" / 51 mm
3rd: 0,50" / 13 mm - -
- Armour deck: 3,00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 13,00" / 330 mm
Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 41 980 shp / 31 317 Kw = 22,00 kts
Range 8 000nm at 10,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2 887 tons (60% coal)
Complement:
1 183 - 1 538
Cost:
£3,735 million / $14,940 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2 028 tons, 6,4%
Armour: 11 670 tons, 37,0%
- Belts: 5 714 tons, 18,1%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 932 tons, 3,0%
- Armament: 2 170 tons, 6,9%
- Armour Deck: 2 574 tons, 8,2%
- Conning Tower: 280 tons, 0,9%
Machinery: 1 770 tons, 5,6%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 12 233 tons, 38,8%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 434 tons, 10,9%
Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1,3%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
41 535 lbs / 18 840 Kg = 33,8 x 13,5 " / 343 mm shells or 7,0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
Metacentric height 6,0 ft / 1,8 m
Roll period: 17,1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 85 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,80
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,44
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,590
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,40 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25,30 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 27,00 ft / 8,23 m
- Forecastle (20%): 21,00 ft / 6,40 m
- Mid (50%): 18,00 ft / 5,49 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 18,00 ft / 5,49 m
- Stern: 18,00 ft / 5,49 m
- Average freeboard: 19,53 ft / 5,95 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88,7%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 139,6%
Waterplane Area: 46 373 Square feet or 4 308 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 194 lbs/sq ft or 949 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,95
- Longitudinal: 1,51
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Quote from: Borys on June 27, 2008, 03:50:01 AM
Ahoj!
Main Belt covers 84% of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces
Might be a good idea to fix? :)
Design 1914-15-4-8
Displacement:
28 156 t light; 29 857 t standard; 31 458 t normal; 32 739 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
625,00 ft / 625,00 ft x 102,00 ft x 28,50 ft (normal load)
190,50 m / 190,50 m x 31,09 m x 8,69 m
Armament:
8 - 15,00" / 381 mm guns (4x2 guns), 2 000,00lbs / 907,18kg shells, 1914 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1914 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
6 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
8 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1914 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
8 - 0,43" / 11,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,04lbs / 0,02kg shells, 1914 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 17 308 lbs / 7 851 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 110
4 - 20,0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13,0" / 330 mm 350,00 ft / 106,68 m 18,00 ft / 5,49 m
Ends: 4,00" / 102 mm 275,00 ft / 83,82 m 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
Upper: 8,00" / 203 mm 350,00 ft / 106,68 m 10,50 ft / 3,20 m
Main Belt covers 86% of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1,50" / 38 mm 350,00 ft / 106,68 m 46,00 ft / 14,02 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13,0" / 330 mm 6,00" / 152 mm 12,0" / 305 mm
2nd: 6,00" / 152 mm - 2,00" / 51 mm
3rd: 0,50" / 13 mm - -
- Armour deck: 3,00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 13,00" / 330 mm
Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 42 691 shp / 31 847 Kw = 22,00 kts
Range 8 000nm at 10,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2 881 tons (60% coal)
Complement:
1 180 - 1 535
Cost:
£3,567 million / $14,267 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 863 tons, 5,9%
Armour: 12 018 tons, 38,2%
- Belts: 5 568 tons, 17,7%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 894 tons, 2,8%
- Armament: 2 674 tons, 8,5%
- Armour Deck: 2 602 tons, 8,3%
- Conning Tower: 279 tons, 0,9%
Machinery: 1 800 tons, 5,7%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 12 074 tons, 38,4%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 302 tons, 10,5%
Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1,3%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
42 805 lbs / 19 416 Kg = 25,4 x 15,0 " / 381 mm shells or 7,6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
Metacentric height 6,1 ft / 1,9 m
Roll period: 17,3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,66
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,32
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,606
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,13 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25,00 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 27,83 ft / 8,48 m
- Forecastle (20%): 17,71 ft / 5,40 m
- Mid (50%): 17,71 ft / 5,40 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 17,71 ft / 5,40 m
- Stern: 17,71 ft / 5,40 m
- Average freeboard: 18,52 ft / 5,64 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83,8%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134,0%
Waterplane Area: 46 888 Square feet or 4 356 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 195 lbs/sq ft or 950 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,96
- Longitudinal: 1,39
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Quote from: Korpen on June 27, 2008, 03:57:48 AM
Quote from: Borys on June 27, 2008, 03:50:01 AM
Ahoj!
Main Belt covers 84% of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces
Might be a good idea to fix? :)
Thank you, fixed.
Borys
Oh thank God, you scrapped that horrible Quad thing. Did I ever mention that I HATE quad turrets?
Ahoj!
No, you never mentioned that.
What else will I discover about you, after so many YEARS together!
:)
Personally, I detest triples :D
Well, from my 13,5" twins I can progress either to 15" twins, or 13,4" quads. The 15" quad I'm designing is for the future - as that would call for a 35K tonnes hull.
I will skip 16" guns, so the 15" quad could be useful.
I agree that quads are not exatly pretty.
The 4x2x15" ship is a big change for the KKK - superfiring turrets for the first time. The 3x4x13'5 is more "traditional".
I will see what the future brings before deciding on either.
Borys
I suppose I'm just a Classicalist. My all-time fav is the British 15"/42 mark I in twin turrets ala QE. If the quad weren't so damned ugly I may thing more highly of them. Plus the only times they were used was on those 2 French abortions of BBs Richeleau and Dunkerque, and unfortunately the KGV's
I'd build a 15" version of Agincourt before I'd build a 3x3 or anything w/ quads.
Something like this?
Habsburgs Battleship laid down 1916
Displacement:
44 066 t light; 47 046 t standard; 49 189 t normal; 50 903 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
721,08 ft / 720,00 ft x 120,00 ft x 30,75 ft (normal load)
219,79 m / 219,46 m x 36,58 m x 9,37 m
Armament:
14 - 15,00" / 381 mm guns (7x2 guns), 2 000,00lbs / 907,18kg shells, 1916 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
16 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1916 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
4 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1916 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 29 654 lbs / 13 451 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 120
6 - 24,0" / 609,6 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14,0" / 356 mm 500,00 ft / 152,40 m 20,00 ft / 6,10 m
Ends: 4,00" / 102 mm 220,00 ft / 67,06 m 20,00 ft / 6,10 m
Upper: 8,00" / 203 mm 500,00 ft / 152,40 m 9,50 ft / 2,90 m
Main Belt covers 107% of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1,75" / 44 mm 500,00 ft / 152,40 m 50,00 ft / 15,24 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 15,0" / 381 mm 7,00" / 178 mm 14,0" / 356 mm
2nd: 4,00" / 102 mm - 1,00" / 25 mm
3rd: 0,50" / 13 mm - -
- Armour deck: 3,25" / 83 mm, Conning tower: 16,00" / 406 mm
Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 55 305 shp / 41 257 Kw = 22,00 kts
Range 6 500nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3 857 tons (50% coal)
Complement:
1 650 - 2 146
Cost:
£7,384 million / $29,535 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3 176 tons, 6,5%
Armour: 19 754 tons, 40,2%
- Belts: 8 394 tons, 17,1%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1 619 tons, 3,3%
- Armament: 5 306 tons, 10,8%
- Armour Deck: 3 972 tons, 8,1%
- Conning Tower: 463 tons, 0,9%
Machinery: 2 159 tons, 4,4%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 18 528 tons, 37,7%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5 122 tons, 10,4%
Miscellaneous weights: 450 tons, 0,9%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
66 850 lbs / 30 323 Kg = 39,6 x 15,0 " / 381 mm shells or 12,3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
Metacentric height 7,9 ft / 2,4 m
Roll period: 18,0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,64
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,25
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,648
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26,83 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 2,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 31,00 ft / 9,45 m
- Forecastle (16%): 19,72 ft / 6,01 m
- Mid (50%): 19,72 ft / 6,01 m
- Quarterdeck (13%): 19,72 ft / 6,01 m
- Stern: 19,72 ft / 6,01 m
- Average freeboard: 20,44 ft / 6,23 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81,2%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 150,4%
Waterplane Area: 66 066 Square feet or 6 138 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 219 lbs/sq ft or 1 071 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,98
- Longitudinal: 1,20
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Even though I know you detest triple-turrets,how about this little modest vessel? ;D
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1916
Displacement:
40.491 t light; 43.075 t standard; 45.500 t normal; 47.440 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
721,48 ft / 716,86 ft x 114,83 ft x 29,53 ft (normal load)
219,91 m / 218,50 m x 35,00 m x 9,00 m
Armament:
15 - 15,00" / 381 mm guns (5x3 guns), 1.687,50lbs / 765,44kg shells, 1916 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
10 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108,00lbs / 48,99kg shells, 1916 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
20 - 4,00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32,00lbs / 14,51kg shells, 1916 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1916 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 27.040 lbs / 12.265 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 110
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14,0" / 356 mm 465,96 ft / 142,02 m 12,86 ft / 3,92 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 5,00" / 127 mm 465,96 ft / 142,02 m 8,00 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
2,00" / 51 mm 465,96 ft / 142,02 m 28,28 ft / 8,62 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14,0" / 356 mm 6,00" / 152 mm 12,0" / 305 mm
2nd: 4,00" / 102 mm 2,00" / 51 mm -
3rd: 0,50" / 13 mm - -
- Armour deck: 5,00" / 127 mm, Conning tower: 14,00" / 356 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 79.443 shp / 59.264 Kw = 24,50 kts
Range 6.500nm at 14,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4.365 tons
Complement:
1.556 - 2.024
Cost:
£7,643 million / $30,573 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3.380 tons, 7,4 %
Armour: 15.787 tons, 34,7 %
- Belts: 4.516 tons, 9,9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 975 tons, 2,1 %
- Armament: 4.051 tons, 8,9 %
- Armour Deck: 5.861 tons, 12,9 %
- Conning Tower: 384 tons, 0,8 %
Machinery: 2.960 tons, 6,5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 17.864 tons, 39,3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5.009 tons, 11,0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 1,1 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
54.159 lbs / 24.566 Kg = 32,1 x 15,0 " / 381 mm shells or 8,3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,15
Metacentric height 8,0 ft / 2,4 m
Roll period: 17,1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,58
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,09
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,655
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,24 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26,77 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26,18 ft / 7,98 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 18,73 ft / 5,71 m
- Mid (50 %): 18,73 ft / 5,71 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 18,73 ft / 5,71 m
- Stern: 18,73 ft / 5,71 m
- Average freeboard: 19,33 ft / 5,89 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 95,1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 145,3 %
Waterplane Area: 63.360 Square feet or 5.886 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 92 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 221 lbs/sq ft or 1.079 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,99
- Longitudinal: 1,14
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Borys,
On your 44000T BB, ala Agincourt.
I am not sure that 219m are enough to instal 7x15" turret on the centerline...
Add 27m to QE & install 3x15" turret in this space ???
Jef ;)
220m is 15m longer than the Fuso/Ise classes with 6x 14"/45 turrets.
Ahoj!
The 7x2x15" was a gift to Sachmle.
If length is an issue, then I could cram the turrets together, with two pyamids fore and aft. Thursday would be lonely amidships.
http://www.combinedfleet.com/haguro01.jpg
Or I could fiddle around with the design and retain the Agincourt arrangament - but make Wednesday superfiring over Thursday - that should save a couple of metres.
Borys