Ocean class, Baltic Confederation Battleship laid down 1914
Displacement:
35.700 t light; 37.566 t standard; 40.115 t normal; 42.155 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
722,26 ft / 715,22 ft x 111,55 ft x 29,53 ft (normal load)
220,14 m / 218,00 m x 34,00 m x 9,00 m
Armament:
9 - 15,00" / 381 mm guns (3x3 guns), 1.687,50lbs / 765,44kg shells, 1914 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
14 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108,00lbs / 48,99kg shells, 1914 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
10 - 4,00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32,00lbs / 14,51kg shells, 1914 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
20 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1914 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 17.059 lbs / 7.738 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 110
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14,0" / 356 mm 464,90 ft / 141,70 m 12,67 ft / 3,86 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 5,00" / 127 mm 464,90 ft / 141,70 m 8,00 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
2,00" / 51 mm 464,90 ft / 141,70 m 27,12 ft / 8,27 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14,0" / 356 mm 6,00" / 152 mm 12,0" / 305 mm
2nd: 2,00" / 51 mm 1,00" / 25 mm -
3rd: 0,50" / 13 mm - -
4th: 0,50" / 13 mm - -
- Armour deck: 5,00" / 127 mm, Conning tower: 14,00" / 356 mm
Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 104.402 shp / 77.884 Kw = 27,00 kts
Range 7.000nm at 14,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4.589 tons
Complement:
1.416 - 1.842
Cost:
£4,586 million / $18,346 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2.132 tons, 5,3 %
Armour: 13.704 tons, 34,2 %
- Belts: 4.418 tons, 11,0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 933 tons, 2,3 %
- Armament: 2.622 tons, 6,5 %
- Armour Deck: 5.377 tons, 13,4 %
- Conning Tower: 353 tons, 0,9 %
Machinery: 4.022 tons, 10,0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 15.342 tons, 38,2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4.416 tons, 11,0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 1,2 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
55.631 lbs / 25.234 Kg = 33,0 x 15,0 " / 381 mm shells or 8,6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,21
Metacentric height 8,3 ft / 2,5 m
Roll period: 16,2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 58 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,44
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,15
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,596
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,41 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26,74 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26,25 ft / 8,00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Mid (50 %): 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Stern: 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Average freeboard: 21,72 ft / 6,62 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90,7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 166,8 %
Waterplane Area: 58.133 Square feet or 5.401 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 199 lbs/sq ft or 972 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,97
- Longitudinal: 1,35
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
From Mid 1914 project class of 4.
Quote from: ledeper on June 08, 2008, 12:56:26 PM
Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 104.402 shp / 77.884 Kw = 27,00 kts
1914 is still 1912 engines, so the max shp is 80 000.
But it would be much easier to give good feedback on the ships if you write something about what role you see for them, or the thinking behind the design. :)
This goes for all the designs.
Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 104.402 shp / 77.884 Kw = 27,00 kts
1914 is still 1912 engines, so the max shp is 80 000.
you are rigth my fault
Ocean class, Baltic Confederation Battleship laid down 1914
Displacement:
34.591 t light; 36.438 t standard; 39.106 t normal; 41.240 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
721,28 ft / 715,22 ft x 111,55 ft x 29,53 ft (normal load)
219,85 m / 218,00 m x 34,00 m x 9,00 m
Armament:
9 - 15,00" / 381 mm guns (3x3 guns), 1.687,50lbs / 765,44kg shells, 1914 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
14 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108,00lbs / 48,99kg shells, 1914 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
10 - 4,00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32,00lbs / 14,51kg shells, 1914 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
20 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1914 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 17.059 lbs / 7.738 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 110
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14,0" / 356 mm 464,90 ft / 141,70 m 12,67 ft / 3,86 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 5,00" / 127 mm 464,90 ft / 141,70 m 8,00 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
2,00" / 51 mm 464,90 ft / 141,70 m 27,34 ft / 8,33 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14,0" / 356 mm 6,00" / 152 mm 12,0" / 305 mm
2nd: 2,00" / 51 mm 1,00" / 25 mm -
3rd: 0,50" / 13 mm - -
4th: 0,50" / 13 mm - -
- Armour deck: 5,00" / 127 mm, Conning tower: 14,00" / 356 mm
Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 79.864 shp / 59.579 Kw = 25,35 kts
Range 7.500nm at 14,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4.803 tons
Complement:
1.389 - 1.807
Cost:
£4,369 million / $17,475 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2.132 tons, 5,5 %
Armour: 13.620 tons, 34,8 %
- Belts: 4.408 tons, 11,3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 941 tons, 2,4 %
- Armament: 2.622 tons, 6,7 %
- Armour Deck: 5.302 tons, 13,6 %
- Conning Tower: 348 tons, 0,9 %
Machinery: 3.076 tons, 7,9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 15.262 tons, 39,0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4.515 tons, 11,5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 1,3 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
58.962 lbs / 26.745 Kg = 34,9 x 15,0 " / 381 mm shells or 9,7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,19
Metacentric height 8,2 ft / 2,5 m
Roll period: 16,4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 67 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,49
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,34
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,581
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,41 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26,74 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 13,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26,25 ft / 8,00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Mid (50 %): 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Stern: 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Average freeboard: 21,72 ft / 6,62 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83,6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 167,6 %
Waterplane Area: 57.322 Square feet or 5.325 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 200 lbs/sq ft or 978 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,97
- Longitudinal: 1,39
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
First Diesel-Propelled battleships to be built by the Baltic confederation ,to replace Isbre and Torden
Borys "Not Enough Deckspace" Zakrzewski points out:
Quote from: ledeper on June 08, 2008, 03:31:48 PM
Ocean class, Baltic Confederation Battleship laid down 1914
14 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108,00lbs / 48,99kg shells, 1914 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
10 - 4,00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32,00lbs / 14,51kg shells, 1914 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
20 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1914 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
I suspect your forgot to click the "casemattes" ...
:D
Why are there two fairly similar classes in different threads?
They remind me of Washington Treaty battleships, a couple decades early.
Ocean class, Baltic Confederation Battleship laid down 1913
Displacement:
34.011 t light; 36.239 t standard; 38.837 t normal; 40.915 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
722,26 ft / 715,22 ft x 111,55 ft x 29,53 ft (normal load)
220,14 m / 218,00 m x 34,00 m x 9,00 m
Armament:
9 - 15,00" / 381 mm guns (3x3 guns), 1.687,50lbs / 765,44kg shells, 1913 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
14 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108,00lbs / 48,99kg shells, 1913 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
10 - 4,00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32,00lbs / 14,51kg shells, 1913 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
20 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1913 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 17.059 lbs / 7.738 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14,0" / 356 mm 464,90 ft / 141,70 m 12,67 ft / 3,86 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 5,00" / 127 mm 464,90 ft / 141,70 m 8,00 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
2,00" / 51 mm 464,90 ft / 141,70 m 27,10 ft / 8,26 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14,0" / 356 mm 6,00" / 152 mm 12,0" / 305 mm
2nd: 2,00" / 51 mm 1,00" / 25 mm -
3rd: 0,50" / 13 mm - -
4th: 0,50" / 13 mm - -
- Armour deck: 5,00" / 127 mm, Conning tower: 14,00" / 356 mm
Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 79.397 shp / 59.230 Kw = 25,35 kts
Range 7.000nm at 25,35 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4.675 tons
Complement:
1.383 - 1.798
Cost:
£3,728 million / $14,911 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2.132 tons, 5,5 %
Armour: 13.603 tons, 35,0 %
- Belts: 4.413 tons, 11,4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 932 tons, 2,4 %
- Armament: 2.629 tons, 6,8 %
- Armour Deck: 5.282 tons, 13,6 %
- Conning Tower: 346 tons, 0,9 %
Machinery: 3.111 tons, 8,0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 15.165 tons, 39,0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4.825 tons, 12,4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
58.415 lbs / 26.497 Kg = 34,6 x 15,0 " / 381 mm shells or 9,6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,21
Metacentric height 8,4 ft / 2,5 m
Roll period: 16,2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 67 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,48
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,35
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,577
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,41 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26,74 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26,25 ft / 8,00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Mid (50 %): 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Stern: 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Average freeboard: 21,72 ft / 6,62 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84,1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 167,7 %
Waterplane Area: 57.108 Square feet or 5.305 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 200 lbs/sq ft or 975 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,96
- Longitudinal: 1,39
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
First Diesel-Propelled battleships to be built by the Baltic confederation ,to replace Isbre and Torden.
Differs from General Kassar only in the propulsion-system
That's a lot of 40mm for a time when no vessel fears aircraft, plus
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10 - 4,00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32,00lbs / 14,51kg shells, 1914 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
20 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1914 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Don't you mean QF for at least one of these two?
And engine year is
still 1912.
Apparently the Baltic Navy is not concerned at all keeping sealanes open, or just to scout for the battlefleet.
Then it would appear that the best way for one to defeat them would be lots of mines and commerce raiding..... Wonder who has a fleet built for that? Not me, but someone does....
Quote from: Sachmle on June 09, 2008, 10:56:25 PM
Then it would appear that the best way for one to defeat them would be lots of mines and commerce raiding..... Wonder who has a fleet built for that? Not me, but someone does....
Why are you looking at me? 8)