I should have 1912 engine year by then, from the Tech trade w/ Italy. So at only 830t heavier than the Unions I get allot more firepower, to the tune of 438lbs of shell weight, almost 2x as much w/ the same speed. Whatcha think?
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd42/Sachmle/toreadorCL1913.jpg)
Image based on parts by Wes Wilson.
Toreador, NUS Light Cruiser laid down 1913 (Engine 1912)
Displacement:
5,230 t light; 5,493 t standard; 6,013 t normal; 6,429 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
425.00 ft / 425.00 ft x 56.00 ft x 17.50 ft (normal load)
129.54 m / 129.54 m x 17.07 m x 5.33 m
Armament:
8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 1905 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
6 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 30.00lbs / 13.61kg shells, 1906 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, all forward
4 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1902 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 982 lbs / 445 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 250
12 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.00" / 102 mm 300.00 ft / 91.44 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm -
- Armour deck: 1.50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 6.00" / 152 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 2 shafts, 37,158 shp / 27,720 Kw = 27.00 kts
Range 6,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 936 tons
Complement:
340 - 443
Cost:
£0.547 million / $2.189 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 132 tons, 2.2 %
Armour: 1,162 tons, 19.3 %
- Belts: 605 tons, 10.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 72 tons, 1.2 %
- Armour Deck: 442 tons, 7.4 %
- Conning Tower: 43 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 1,482 tons, 24.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,054 tons, 34.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 783 tons, 13.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 6.7 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
6,327 lbs / 2,870 Kg = 58.6 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 14.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.32
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.10
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0.505
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.59 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 20.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -6.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -2.00 ft / -0.61 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m (16.00 ft / 4.88 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Stern: 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Average freeboard: 17.20 ft / 5.24 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 105.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 106.4 %
Waterplane Area: 15,934 Square feet or 1,480 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 83 lbs/sq ft or 407 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 1.80
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
100t F/C
100t Additonal damage control equipment
100t Reserve weight for future growth
50t Climate control
25t W/T
25t Torpedoes
Greatgoshamighty!
That's a heckuva fleet cruiser, Sam.
Nice one!
Well I can't build turret farm BBs so I'll build turret farm CLs. ;D
hmmm...
The design is certainly not realist for boilers & turbines disposition...
Better disposition is, for the boilers:
1 funnel behind the bridge (before n°3 turret)
An other funnel between n°4 & n°5 turret (between lifes boats)
Engines are between n°6 & n°7 turret.
Jef ;)
Agreed with Jef on the funnel/boiler bit, although I think those are torpedoes amidships rather than boats.
I'd probably ditch the 4" guns - not really necessary if you have this many 6".
Fair enough, I'm not that knowledgeable on engine and boiler layout, so how about this?
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd42/Sachmle/ToreadorCL1913v11.jpg)
Image based on parts by Wes Wilson
Toreador, NUS Light Cruiser laid down 1913 (Engine 1912)
Displacement:
5,230 t light; 5,461 t standard; 5,979 t normal; 6,393 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
425.00 ft / 425.00 ft x 56.00 ft x 17.50 ft (normal load)
129.54 m / 129.54 m x 17.07 m x 5.33 m
Armament:
8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 1905 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1902 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 802 lbs / 364 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 250
18 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.50" / 114 mm 300.00 ft / 91.44 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
- Armour deck: 1.50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 6.00" / 152 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 2 shafts, 36,954 shp / 27,568 Kw = 27.00 kts
Range 6,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 932 tons
Complement:
339 - 441
Cost:
£0.524 million / $2.096 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 108 tons, 1.8 %
Armour: 1,218 tons, 20.4 %
- Belts: 681 tons, 11.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 54 tons, 0.9 %
- Armour Deck: 441 tons, 7.4 %
- Conning Tower: 43 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 1,473 tons, 24.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,030 tons, 34.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 749 tons, 12.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 6.7 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
6,677 lbs / 3,029 Kg = 61.8 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 14.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.30
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.11
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0.502
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.59 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 20.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -6.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -2.00 ft / -0.61 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m (16.00 ft / 4.88 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Stern: 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Average freeboard: 17.20 ft / 5.24 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 88.2 %
Waterplane Area: 15,893 Square feet or 1,476 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 83 lbs/sq ft or 403 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 1.79
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
100t F/C
85t Additonal damage control equipment
100t Reserve weight for future growth
50t Climate control
25t W/T
40t Torpedoes
Not enough guns! (ahhh!!! I'm sounding like Korpen now!) the equivalent NS Cruisers where to pack 12! 6 inchers by now. They probably weren't built, but the rumors should be making the rounds by now...
That said, not a bad ship. Definately something I would build. Gotta love the torpedo armament.
Good cruiser design, well balanced &... powerfull TT armament
Jef ;)
Quote from: Desertfox on May 06, 2008, 03:20:20 PM
Not enough guns! (ahhh!!! I'm sounding like Korpen now!) the equivalent NS Cruisers where to pack 12! 6 inchers by now. They probably weren't built, but the rumors should be making the rounds by now...
That said, not a bad ship. Definately something I would build. Gotta love the torpedo armament.
Wannabe, You are not THAT eloquent yet! ;)
Quote from: Sachmle on May 06, 2008, 02:30:24 PM
100t F/C
85t Additonal damage control equipment
100t Reserve weight for future growth
50t Climate control
25t W/T
40t Torpedoes
Hm,"future growth" = Mines :)
"85t Additonal damage control equipment" better spent on mine IMO...
Pretty nice ship overall, but need more mines. :)
I'm thinking the torpedo armament is excessive, myself.
On the other hand, I like the pic better: both from an internal arrangement perspective and from the aesthetic perspective.
I was thinking the same thing about the TTs, maybe go w/ 6 twins for 12 total, or 4 triples. And, Korpen, since you seems so dead set on mines on her, how many would that 85t's give me?
Quote from: The Rock Doctor on May 06, 2008, 04:26:31 PM
I'm thinking the torpedo armament is excessive, myself.
On the other hand, I like the pic better: both from an internal arrangement perspective and from the aesthetic perspective.
Quote from: Desertfox on May 06, 2008, 03:20:20 PM
Not enough guns! (ahhh!!! I'm sounding like Korpen now!)
Less TTs, reintroduced some of the 4". Used 100t of the misc weight for minelaying equipment and mines. Not sure off the top of my head how many mines that'll be, but strictly offensive mines.
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd42/Sachmle/ToreadorCL1913v12.jpg)
Image based on parts by Wes WilsonToreador, NUS Light Cruiser laid down 1913 (Engine 1912)
Displacement:
5,230 t light; 5,486 t standard; 6,092 t normal; 6,577 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
425.00 ft / 425.00 ft x 56.00 ft x 17.50 ft (normal load)
129.54 m / 129.54 m x 17.07 m x 5.33 m
Armament:
8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 1905 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1906 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, all forward
4 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1902 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 930 lbs / 422 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 250
12 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.00" / 102 mm 300.00 ft / 91.44 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1.50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 6.00" / 152 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 2 shafts, 37,593 shp / 28,045 Kw = 27.00 kts
Range 7,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,092 tons
Complement:
344 - 448
Cost:
£0.542 million / $2.170 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 124 tons, 2.0 %
Armour: 1,144 tons, 18.8 %
- Belts: 605 tons, 9.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 51 tons, 0.8 %
- Armour Deck: 445 tons, 7.3 %
- Conning Tower: 43 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 1,499 tons, 24.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,063 tons, 33.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 862 tons, 14.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 6.6 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
6,609 lbs / 2,998 Kg = 61.2 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 14.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.32
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.10
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0.512
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.59 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 20.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 64
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -6.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -2.00 ft / -0.61 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m (16.00 ft / 4.88 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Stern: 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Average freeboard: 17.20 ft / 5.24 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 105.8 %
Waterplane Area: 16,032 Square feet or 1,489 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 83 lbs/sq ft or 407 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.80
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
100t F/C
100t Mines/mine laying gear.
100t Reserve weight for future growth
50t Climate control
25t W/T
25t Torpedoes
TT armament exessive...Yes, they are in the places of the life boats :D
Seriously, in these places , TT could rotate to 30 or 45° max. That is short...
Jef ;)
Where would you recommend putting the TTs? The lifeboats are stored next to the fore funnel below the searchlight platform.
With a slim superstructure under the 2nd funnel, TT could take the place on the sides.
hmmm....
17.07m beam...total rotate is perhaps possible.
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You can also drawing a cavity in the superstrusture under the fore & aft bridge for a total rotate
Jef ;)
Figure a mine per tonne of miscellaneous weight set aside for the purpose.
I'd suggest just going with one triple bank on each side, at the second funnel - this is primarily a gun cruiser, it seems, and too many torpedo banks are going to interfere with firing arcs.
Alternately, I suppose, you could raise #4 mount and place it on an extended platform forward of the second funnel - then put a bank of fish under that platform.
Here's another pic w/ and overhead view. I moved the lifeboats to deck level and IF the TTs rotate on the aft axis they'll clear.
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd42/Sachmle/Toreadorwoverhead.jpg)
Images based on parts by Wes Wilson, modified by me
Not to be picky, but is there a crane to get those boats over the side?
Rope, sweat, and the fact that if they don't get them over they're probably dead will cause the crew to propel the lifeboats into the water. ;D
Fine. Picture a small crane on each side of the 2nd funnel, angled towards the boats.
Better yet, here's an updated pic and an SS w/ weight for the cranes.
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd42/Sachmle/Toreadorwoverhead11.jpg)
Image based on parts by Wes Wilson, modified by me.
Toreador, NUS Light Cruiser laid down 1913 (Engine 1912)
Displacement:
5,230 t light; 5,486 t standard; 6,092 t normal; 6,577 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
425.00 ft / 425.00 ft x 56.00 ft x 17.50 ft (normal load)
129.54 m / 129.54 m x 17.07 m x 5.33 m
Armament:
8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 1905 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1906 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, all forward
4 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1902 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 930 lbs / 422 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 250
12 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.00" / 102 mm 300.00 ft / 91.44 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1.50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 6.00" / 152 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 2 shafts, 37,595 shp / 28,046 Kw = 27.00 kts
Range 7,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,092 tons
Complement:
344 - 448
Cost:
£0.542 million / $2.170 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 124 tons, 2.0 %
Armour: 1,144 tons, 18.8 %
- Belts: 605 tons, 9.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 51 tons, 0.8 %
- Armour Deck: 445 tons, 7.3 %
- Conning Tower: 43 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 1,499 tons, 24.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,063 tons, 33.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 862 tons, 14.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 6.6 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
6,609 lbs / 2,998 Kg = 61.2 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 14.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.32
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.10
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0.512
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.59 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 20.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 64
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -6.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -2.00 ft / -0.61 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m (16.00 ft / 4.88 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Stern: 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Average freeboard: 17.20 ft / 5.24 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 105.8 %
Waterplane Area: 16,032 Square feet or 1,489 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 83 lbs/sq ft or 407 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.80
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
100t F/C
100t Mines/mine laying gear.
80t Reserve weight for future growth
50t Climate control
25t W/T
25t Torpedoes
20t for 2 small boat cranes
There was this layout, SS report may come later. It worked, but I didn't like the looks so I deleted it. But anyway, I think it looks to modern.
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd42/Sachmle/CL1914.jpg)
Image based on parts by Wes Wilson, modified by me.
You don't need misc weight for boat cranes.
That last one looks cool! If you don't mind I might have to borrow the drawing for when I get around to building New Zion's first cruiser.
The last drawing is good.
You could add some lifeboats on the deck under gun 5 & 6.
The cranes are too short to put the lifeboats in the sea.
Jef ;)
Quote from: Sachmle on May 06, 2008, 08:54:00 PM
There was this layout, SS report may come later. It worked, but I didn't like the looks so I deleted it. But anyway, I think it looks to modern.
I do not really think she look too modern. But if you made the funnels higher and thinner she would look older. But she put me in mind of some of the german light cruisers from the end of ww1.
I very much agree with Desertfox, cranes for boats do not require misc weight!
Nor for that matter do I think any normal fitting such as climatization, quarters for crews and command, signal flags, boats, derricks, davits, cranes, machine shops, toilets, provisions and extra paint need to have misc weight dedicated to it as I see some people are doing.
I'll provide for such fittings if I feel it's in excess of the normal amount for a ship of that size. For standard loads, I assume it's just part of the "hull, fittings, and equipment".
I agree with you for the material inckued in
"Hull fittings, and equipements"
Meanwhile, some ingeniors in modern naval concept think that Springsharp is a very good approach for calculate warships at.... 95%.
IMHO, add 5% of light displacement in miscellaneous weights is good for the real feasibility of a warship.
Jef ;)
As of right now this is the version that will get built. I realized that at 425' she would tie up my only type 2 dock, so I cut some 6", made the TTs centerline mounted, and chopped off some of the misc weight. Same hull dimensions as the Union class before her, but 3 more 6" guns, each w/ 100 rounds more per gun, and 2 more TT w/ the same speed and 250nm more range.
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd42/Sachmle/ToreadorFinal11.jpg)
Image based on parts by Wes Wilson, modified by me.
Toreador, NUS Light Cruiser laid down 1913 (Engine 1912)
Displacement:
4,625 t light; 4,835 t standard; 5,414 t normal; 5,877 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
393.00 ft / 393.00 ft x 56.00 ft x 18.10 ft (normal load)
119.79 m / 119.79 m x 17.07 m x 5.52 m
Armament:
5 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 1905 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 3 raised mounts - superfiring
6 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (4 mounts), 30.00lbs / 13.61kg shells, 1906 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
4 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1902 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 682 lbs / 309 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 250
6 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.00" / 102 mm 272.00 ft / 82.91 m 13.00 ft / 3.96 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 106 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1.50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 6.00" / 152 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 2 shafts, 35,975 shp / 26,838 Kw = 27.00 kts
Range 7,250nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,042 tons
Complement:
315 - 410
Cost:
£0.480 million / $1.919 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 92 tons, 1.7 %
Armour: 1,080 tons, 19.9 %
- Belts: 599 tons, 11.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 43 tons, 0.8 %
- Armour Deck: 398 tons, 7.4 %
- Conning Tower: 40 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 1,434 tons, 26.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,807 tons, 33.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 789 tons, 14.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 212 tons, 3.9 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
5,946 lbs / 2,697 Kg = 55.1 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.18
Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 13.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.22
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.11
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0.476
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.02 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.82 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -6.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -2.00 ft / -0.61 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Forecastle (22 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m (16.00 ft / 4.88 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Stern: 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Average freeboard: 17.73 ft / 5.40 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119.7 %
Waterplane Area: 14,348 Square feet or 1,333 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 80 lbs/sq ft or 389 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.91
- Longitudinal: 2.24
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
100t F/C
50t Reserve weight for future growth
25t Climate control
25t W/T
12t Torpedoes
For comparison sake, one can see that the Toreador is more of a evolution of the Union as opposed to a whole new design.
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd42/Sachmle/ToreadorUnion.jpg)
Images based on parts by Wes Wilson, modified by me.
Ahoj!
Excellent! Fantastic comparison
But I'd still advise to grab the shovel ...
Borys
Quote from: Borys on May 08, 2008, 10:12:27 PM
Ahoj!
Excellent! Fantastic comparison
But I'd still advise to grab the shovel ...
Borys
Que es? Shovel? I'm lost.
Ahoj!
I mean you have to dig more type 2 docks :)
Borys
Oh, NOW I get it. Yes, very much so. Probably expand some of the type 1's to 2's.