QuoteThe Emerald Queen, Independent fast gunship/yacht laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)
Displacement:
7.976 t light; 8.548 t standard; 9.625 t normal; 10.487 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
556,92 ft / 541,34 ft x 54,13 ft x 23,95 ft (normal load)
169,75 m / 165,00 m x 16,50 m x 7,30 m
Armament:
3 - 13,00" / 330 mm guns (2 mounts), 1.098,50lbs / 498,27kg shells, 1910 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1910 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
8 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 1910 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3.383 lbs / 1.535 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 6,00" / 152 mm 4,00" / 102 mm 6,00" / 152 mm
2nd: 1,00" / 25 mm - 3,00" / 76 mm
- Armour deck: 3,00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 10,00" / 254 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 43.146 shp / 32.187 Kw = 27,00 kts
Range 8.000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1.939 tons
Complement:
485 - 631
Cost:
£0,909 million / $3,636 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 423 tons, 4,4%
Armour: 1.580 tons, 16,4%
- Belts: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armament: 418 tons, 4,3%
- Armour Deck: 1.064 tons, 11,1%
- Conning Tower: 97 tons, 1,0%
Machinery: 1.961 tons, 20,4%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3.812 tons, 39,6%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.649 tons, 17,1%
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 2,1%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
9.027 lbs / 4.094 Kg = 8,2 x 13,0 " / 330 mm shells or 1,3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
Metacentric height 2,4 ft / 0,7 m
Roll period: 14,7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 58 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,98
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,28
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,480
Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23,27 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 45
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 11,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29,53 ft / 9,00 m
- Forecastle (20%): 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Mid (50%): 16,04 ft / 4,89 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 16,04 ft / 4,89 m
- Stern: 16,04 ft / 4,89 m
- Average freeboard: 17,22 ft / 5,25 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103,5%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 121,5%
Waterplane Area: 19.178 Square feet or 1.782 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 115 lbs/sq ft or 564 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,94
- Longitudinal: 1,65
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Conning Tower is redone as an nursery.
200 tons misc weight is ment for Marissa's HQ and palace. (Includes a pink marble sheeted bathroom, teak and oak soundproofed playroom and library, marconi set and a vault)
Ship is to be painted dark emerald green hull and lighter green upper works and turrets.
Modified to erase a fluke
It will be a slammer of a holiday!
The vacations will come with a bang!
I think I have a very good idea who is to get that ship...
proly some Famous Pirate like Capitan Sparow...
Hmmm a contender for the Queen Emeraldas perhaps? Though the Emeraldas is a much older privateer, and only armed with some hidden cruiser guns, she was the largest ship in the Rohirrim Navy for a while. If this truely is a pirate ship...and goes against the Kingdom of Rohan, then it may have to be hunted by a pair of older warships...Arcadia and the Emeraldas... ;D
But that is for the future.
As far as France knows, the ship is ment to be a diplomatic courrier with a punch. The long range and high speed aid her in this.
What the ministry of Commerce doesn't know (or doesn't want to aknowledge) is that she gets a few changes in Halifax on behalf of diplomatical contacts with the CSA.
As the CSA is one of several suppliers of parts and funds for this strange vessel.
hm... 3x330 mm, 10000 ton and 83 meters long with a speed of 27 knots? The courier yacht? not good idea. even for pirate ship. not safe for its crew and for the diplomatic secrets on board...
The Pink Palace and the nursery are dead giveaways. There is only one female with kids who would buy such a ship.
Quote from: maddox on January 09, 2008, 09:34:42 AM
QuoteThe Emerald Queen, Independent armed yacht laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
270,40 ft / 541,34 ft x 54,13 ft x 23,95 ft (normal load)
82,42 m / 165,00 m x 16,50 m x 7,30 m
Interesting design, the ship is shorter overall then it is at the waterline...
I suspect it takes some really fancy quantum engineering to build her.
Desertfox , if you're refering to Marissa De La Grande Mars, why would she get a new ship from France?
Next point is, she sold her ship that did the same things to the DKB, why would she buy a new one now? She's not a pirate queen or so.
For the same amount of inteligence, you could have know that Minister Capet has certain alternative leanings that explains the pink issue. And a nursery, diplomats tend to travel with families.
Korpen, got the fluke out of her. Thanks for pointing out.
Call it a hunch. Maybe she just wants to move up. Then there is this:
Quote200 tons misc weight is ment for Marissa's HQ and palace. (Includes a pink marble sheeted bathroom, teak and oak soundproofed playroom and library, marconi set and a vault)
;)
Another French ship just isn't interesting, now an unafiliated ship with 13" guns, now that IS interesting. 8)
Older 13" guns (1895 model if I remember correctly), but still....13" guns. Anahuac guns at that. Though to be fair, I imagine that one of the following three countries produces those guns: DRM (MesoAmerica/formerly the Anahuac Empire), France (export gun), Firanji (ex-Anahuac model).
However, if this vessel, or its crew, does not conduct acts of piracy on land or sea, than it is not a pirate ship. Perhaps in Navalism's world, independents with money can buy/build registered warships?
I won't say it's common that an armed and armored ship is in civilian, non pirate hands, but it's not unheared of either.
In this, power is a currency in its own.
And as in this world, for money you can buy anything.
The 13" guns I refer to are salvaged from "disappeared" or sunken Anuhuac battlebarges during the final Rohan-Anuhuac war. A few battlebarges are unaccounted for, and this is one of the few things that explains that.
Old 13" guns that can do like one shot every 5 minutes, using ammunition from questionable sources, does not seem to be impressive.
More like one round a minute, and reliably so if they are anything like the USN's 13" guns.
And it would only take 1 BP to make 2000 rounds for them. ;)
Fairly workable situation, if you have a base of operations.
ROF
Depends mainly on how the guns are mounted , how the additional machines like hoists and rammers are layed out, and the crucial factor, crew quality and training.
The guns can be old, but the ship itself is sparkling new and newly designed.
So I doubt that a well trained crew can't get a shot every 90 seconds.
For such a vessel, rate of fire is not an issue. Just firing the things should be enough to scare off anyone foolish enough to try to capture this ship. Only a serious warship could run in without much fear. While it is not fool-proof protection, it is enough to keep the pirates and rivals away. Also most customs vessels and patrol boats.
"Oy that looks like a juicy target, lets take that one."
Warning shot fired over the Queen's bow.
"Heave to and perpare to be boarded!"
---FuBOOOM!!!---
---SPLOOSH!!---
:o .... :o
"I think we'll be running off now." :D
"I think I wet myself." :-[
Also true.
Those old 13" L30 (or 35) guns are more than a match for any pirate, and outside any navy, I don't think there is much that would like to handle this ship.
The twin turret aft, or the single in front will have their own power to Intimidate, just by swinging to the right direction.
Not to count the 70mm QF guns on the sides, each with a machine gun nest in overwatch.
Even if the 13"s give a shot every 90 seconds (that means they have almost 4 minutes to reload), it must be a brave pirate attempting a boarding.
The reason this ship has 13" guns, is because the person ordering it doesn't know -directly- about warships. It sounded bigger than 11", as what is the measely 1" difference for a 12" gun, so a 13" it must be.
Digging trough the Nverse history, only the Anuhuac used a 13" gun on their battlebarges, and with the French being involved with the Anuhuac, it's not farfetched that there are a few Anuhuac 13" guns in the naval inventory of New Rhun.
QuoteHowever, if this vessel, or its crew, does not conduct acts of piracy on land or sea, than it is not a pirate ship. Perhaps in Navalism's world, independents with money can buy/build registered warships?
That certainly didn't help Sparrow. Only crime that can conclusively be proven against him is the transportation of stolen goods.
Anyway, back to the topic. A true Pocket Battleship, one which would give Swiss Admirals migranes and heartburns.
Sparrow was hunted by a lot of navies, his main source of intelligence, supplies and the fence to relief him of the stolen goods abcent.
A wonder he could run for so long.
Concerning headaches for NS admirals. I think they have a problem with a loss of head ache.
The Emerald Queen isn't even build yet, her specs unknow to even the builders. So, lets have fun.
Ahoj!
With hindsight I would had gone with 13inch guns.
Borys
The Anauac 13" guns were a method of one upsmanship towards Rohan, as well as matching an American caliber of gun. Rohan was using 12" guns so the Anahuac needed a 13" gun, which in turn set of Rohan to make a 14" gun by the time the war ended.
Oddly enough, there are still only two Rohirrim ships with 14" guns in the water. The rest of them are still on the building slips.
The 13" guns are impressive and even if they don't have the range of the 14" guns or the longer barreled 12" guns in use by 1910, the range is more or less a non-factor without some serious fire control abilities for guns of this size. Perhaps armor penetration ability, but the newer 12" guns should be equal (if not better) at penetration than this older 13" gun.
I do wish we had some of the old Anahuac fleet records. That way we could actually reuse the ships that dissappeared after the end of the war. Also would remind us of just how many ships survived the war. While most of the Pacific Fleet was sunk, the Caribbean Fleet was in better shape (unless the Rohirrim bombarbments did something). Part of that fleet escaped as the Fleet of the Mark did not have the speed to chase them down. What happened to them all is a mystery of sorts. It is suspected that the majority were scrapped to kick start the Anahuac (Brazilian) and MesoAmerican economies in the post-war era. Some might exist. The ships that were cheaper to operate. or that had the most spares to keep in operation are likely still in service. The remaining Battlebarges are likely gone save for the one Brandenburg operated battleship (ex-11). The Armored Barks are likely gone, but a few of them may have escaped the scrapyard in one way other another. The torpedo Boats likely still exist as there were lots of those.
As for this armed liner...we'll see after she is finished in a few years.
Walter builds things like this in Wesworld, so we can't rule out a Japanese influence...the reference to Marisa might simply be a red herring.
QuoteWith hindsight I would had gone with 13inch guns.
I've considered it for the next gen of GC battlewagons, but am not clear on where it fits into the gun chart.
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It is suspected that the majority were scrapped to kick start the Anahuac (Brazilian) and MesoAmerican economies in the post-war era.
Perhaps I'll find one beached in some minor tributary to the Amazon.
If nothing else, the design's quite interesting and unusual, so I'll thank the responsible parties for that.
QuoteDigging trough the Nverse history, only the Anuhuac used a 13" gun on their battlebarges, and with the French being involved with the Anuhuac, it's not farfetched that there are a few Anuhuac 13" guns in the naval inventory of New Rhun.
Actually, the ACM used 13" as well; I was attempting to reverse-engineer it when we got to the re-set. Said ship,
Helene, remains in service as a training ship for the Armada.
Ahoj!
13" is a cool calibre - with 1250 or 1300 lbs shells - practicaly as good as the early 14 inchers.
Borys