Good day. I would be interested in joining this endevour at this time. As of right now my most likely choices would be either Peru or the UdSA. They only variable is the section of RL Argentina that is speckled on the World map. The green spec corispond with the UdSA color, so does that mean it's part of the UdSA or some kind of protectorate/colony? Also would be interested in any prexisting info on either to help make the decision. Just point me in the right direction as far as past history goes. I also wanted to say, OUTSTANDING work, great detail, and as an outsider you can tell that everyone involved really loves this place. Keep up the great work.
That lightly colored territory is claimed by UdSA, just barely anyone lives there. Now if you choose UdSA, you can proceed with kicking out any Austrians you may find :P.
Would that be the Hapsburg Empire or the DKB?
That'd be the Hapsburgers. Check Borys' "Sueden Kreuz" thread in the news.
Welcome, neighbour.
Ahoj!
Wellcome!
Both American countries are available. Peru is even fleshed out to some degree.
The situation "down there":
- Peru holds the Atacama Desert, thus almost all the bird shit resources;
- between the Atacama desert and the Bio-Bio River there is Coquimbo, a Gra Colombian territory;
- from Bio-Bio to Puerto Montt there are organized Indios Bravos, the Mapuche, under Rohirrim protection;
- the Island of Chiloe, an unexpectetedly coveted piece of real estate, is Iberian;
on the other side of the Mountains:
- USA petters out in the higher ground to the south of Rio Grande. On the coast the southernmost outpost is Puerto Lobos;
- at the mouth of the Chubut River there is a colony of Pagan Welsh - no idea how far inland they reach. They have at least one cannon :)
From Chiloe on one side, and Rio Negro on the other, down to Cape Horn, it is the land of some cold and hungry Indios Bravos, with some sheep estancias, small scale mines, lumber operations, whaling stations - widely scattered. The area is currently being penetrated by Habsurg surveyor teams. Punta Arenas, which used to be a thriving (self governing) town catering to maritime traffic, is toterring on the brink of an implosion brought about by the double effects of the 2nd Pacific War and the opening of the Darien Canal - especially of the latter.
Austrians = Habsburgs
:)
Borys
Welcome, we certainly can use a player in South America, and if you need help kicking the Austrians out...just contact your local Swiss embassy. ;)
My next questions are:
1 Which has a larger pop?
2 Which has higher BP and IC?
3 Does either have any preexisting military presence, specifically naval?
3a If existing naval, what ports (where, level, slips, etc...)
Greatly appriciated.
Quoteif you need help kicking the Austrians out...just contact your local Swiss embassy.
Be sure to have a dagger ready behind your back and the moment the Austrians are dealt with, plunge that dagger into the back of the demonic Swiss. ;D
Quote from: Sachmle on October 11, 2007, 01:28:30 PM
My next questions are:
1 Which has a larger pop?
2 Which has higher BP and IC?
3 Does either have any preexisting military presence, specifically naval?
3a If existing naval, what ports (where, level, slips, etc...)
Greatly appriciated.
Answer to both 1&2 can be found here : http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=1438.msg14885#msg14885
Quote
Peru 25 3 40 65
USA 25 4 40 65
So they are identical exept that the USA got one more BP.
2&3 I have no idea about, it is far from any Dutch area of interest.
Yes the Swiss are really EVIL...(well that's what everyone else says). So join the DARK side and profit from it. ;) I mean we can't have just one bad guy, can we? ;D
Currently both countries are similar, although weak compared to the big guys - still having three times the historical economic power and population. The big difference is that in Peru the native element is stronger. They already have some military presence an infrastructure. After you decide, the moderators will conjure up numbers from thin air determine your naval infastructure and fleet size (most probably Borys).
pop/BP/IC/$
Peru 25 3 40 65
USA 25 4 40 65
Ahoj!
Where's the love ... ?
Sifting through board for data.
Borys
QuoteI mean we can't have just one bad guy, can we?
"It was your choice and your choice alone to embrace the Dark Side, Darth Dessert."
... maybe I should become evil and send a bunch of the captured Swiss to Killian's Pit to entertain the bloodthirsty crowd there. Fresh blood is needed in that Arena. :D
Type 3 Callao (Lima) - main base, with arsenal and stuff
Type 2 DD
Type 1 DD
Type 0 DD
Type 1 Slip
Type 0 Slip
Type 2 Base - Paita - second main base, equal or just behind Calloa in everything, near norther border
Type 1 DD
Type 1 DD
Type 0 Slip
Type 0 Slip
Type 1 Base - Arica - on the Northern edge of the Atacama - to support cruisers chasing guano poachers
Type 1 DD/Floating DD
Type 1 Base - Iquitos - for the Amazonian Flotilla
Type 0 DD
Type 0 slip
Type 0 Base - Antafagasta (on the Atacama coast) - gunboats, cutoms boats
Type 0 DD
Type 0 Base - Isla san Lorenzo - off Callao, for TBs and submarines
Fleet - 150,000 tonnes of warships, laid down 1895 or later
Army - 4 Baseline Special (Mountain Infantry) Corps, 1 Special Baseline (Jungle Infantry) Corps; 100% pro, at Wartime Upkeep
Assuming this is Peru?
Also found this post about NPC fleet for USA
For the USA, would the following work?
2 Battleships, 1907 type (14.5k, 4x12", 8x9") building
2 Battleships, 1901 type (10.5k, 4x9", 12x7.5")
3 Coastal Battleships, 1898 type (8.3k, 3x9", 12x6")
3 Coastal Battleships, 1894 type (5.6k, 4x9", 6x6")
2 Old Battleships, 1886 type (6.9k, 3x12", 6x5")
1 Old Battleship, 1878 type (8k, 6x9", 5x6") rebuilt 1892
2 Armoured Cruisers, 1903 type (7.3k, 2x9", 5x7.5", 4x6")
1 Armoured Cruiser, 1897 type (6.3k, 2x9", 8x6")
1 Armoured Cruiser, 1893 type (5.2k, 2x7.5", 8x6")
2 Protected Cruisers, 1898 type (2.3k, 8x5")
2 Protected Cruisers, 1888 type (4k, 8x6") rebuilt 1904
3 Torpedo Cruisers, 1885 type (1.5k, 4x3") rebuilt 1902
10 Destroyers, 1904 type
33 Torpedo Boats
7 Torpedo Gunboats
3 Mine-Layers
Ahoj!
Yes, that was Peru. For the USA give me 12 hours or so.
Not sure about the fleet - that is not my forte.
Borys
the fleet dosnt look to bad realy would need to se some ss reports on the ships however, and someone will have to figure out your starting tech. Then much like my Italia you will have to play a tad of catch up it isnt to bad after the first report they are easy.
Like I said I found the fleet post elsewhere, here's the original.
Quote from: swamphen on June 29, 2007, 11:03:13 AM
For the USA, would the following work?
2 Battleships, 1907 type (14.5k, 4x12", 8x9") building
2 Battleships, 1901 type (10.5k, 4x9", 12x7.5")
3 Coastal Battleships, 1898 type (8.3k, 3x9", 12x6")
3 Coastal Battleships, 1894 type (5.6k, 4x9", 6x6")
2 Old Battleships, 1886 type (6.9k, 3x12", 6x5")
1 Old Battleship, 1878 type (8k, 6x9", 5x6") rebuilt 1892
2 Armoured Cruisers, 1903 type (7.3k, 2x9", 5x7.5", 4x6")
1 Armoured Cruiser, 1897 type (6.3k, 2x9", 8x6")
1 Armoured Cruiser, 1893 type (5.2k, 2x7.5", 8x6")
2 Protected Cruisers, 1898 type (2.3k, 8x5")
2 Protected Cruisers, 1888 type (4k, 8x6") rebuilt 1904
3 Torpedo Cruisers, 1885 type (1.5k, 4x3") rebuilt 1902
10 Destroyers, 1904 type
33 Torpedo Boats
7 Torpedo Gunboats
3 Mine-Layers
ya but you will need to "flesh out" the ships. how fast are they, how heavy is their armor, things like that basicly a full SS report on each class. it you want an example go look at my fleet.
Aside from the 5" guns those look like Rohirrim sizes. I suppose that is possible give that Rohan would have needed at least something like friendly relation with the USA in order to keep the route by sea from the Atlantic to Pacific open...at least until the canal is finished (in 1909).
You can build the fleet up from scratch.
Or you can have the option of having your ships all (or some) to have been foriegn built (much like the historical south american navies) too your general specifications over the period of years. (we could treat them as having been built locally with foriegn parts if that is required) This may give the fleet a rather unique feeling with no two ships being alike, and having a wide range of gun calibers, with some in metric and some in "imperial" standard.
Quote"It was your choice and your choice alone to embrace the Dark Side, Darth Dessert."
For every master there is an apprentice...
Quote... maybe I should become evil and send a bunch of the captured Swiss to Killian's Pit to entertain the bloodthirsty crowd there. Fresh blood is needed in that Arena.
But if the Swiss are Evil then that act would be good, thereby negating the evil part. You simply can't become evil by picking on the evil.
New Switzerland would be a logical place for ship designs, especially for the smaller ships. I do use 5" guns.
Welcome Sachmle , as the relic from Nverse 2 I greet you.
Every alignment has his/her place on the Nverse. In my personal opinion
If you feel lawfull good. Ask Rohan.
If you want neutrality, The Iberians and the Habsburgers are your guidance.
Lawfull evil, look at the shrinking lazy juggernaut France. Or the Gran Colombians, a lot less lazy
Chaotic good. Difficult. Maybe the Orange republic?
Pure Chaos.... New Swiss. no law comes even close.
OK, I'm going with USA and I have a rough draft of my ports and a really rough(like tree bark) draft of my army/navy.
So here goes,
Type 3 Puerto Militar (Bahia Blanco) - Main Arsenal/HQ 1st Battle Fleet, 2nd Scouting Fleet
1 Type 2 DD
1 Type 1 DD
1 Type 0 DD
1 Type 2 Slip
1 Type 1 Slip
1 Type 0 Slip
Type 2 Base - Puerto San Martin (Punta Colorado) - 3rd Fleet, Mostly PCs & TBD w/ few old ACs
2 Type 1 DD
2 Type 0 Slip
Type 1 Base - Comodoro Rivadavia - 2nd Fleet, New ACs and PCs
Type 1 DD
Type 1 Base - Posadas - 4th Fleet, Old PCs and TB
Type 0 DD
Type 0 slip
Type 0 Base - Rio Gallegos - 1st Scouting Fleet/Trusted w/ Straits of Magellan & Cape Horn
Type 0 DD
Type 0 Base - La Plata - for TBs and submarines
Fleet - 170,000 tonnes of warships, laid down 1890 or later
Army - 2 Baseline Special (Mountain Infantry) Corps, 1 Special Baseline (Jungle Infantry) Corps, 2 Baseline Light Infantry; 30% pro, 70% vol
Any corrections or recommendations would be welcome and appreciated.
Ahoj!
I am fairly sure that Rio Gallegos is to the south of the border, Commodore Rivadavia probalby too. But As these are "claimed but not controlled" territories I'd let it slide.
I'd replace the Light Infantry with Cavalry. You have ENORMOUS ground to cover - the southern border, the lawless Brasilian interior, etc. A mix of pro and regular (or even reserve) can increase the total. I guestimmate your economy to be good for some 6-10 corps (number deends on your choice and formation type)
The corps have to be fully pro/regular/reserve - HOW the men got into the ranks, voluntarily or otherwise, is of lesser import :)
pro - 100% strenght in peacetime, long term service
regular - 25/30% strenght in peacetime, fleshed out at mobilisation (c. one week)
reserve - raised at mobilisation (two-three weeks)
Regular and Reserve are usually conscript, but other forms exist.
Borys
Basically I figured the Navy would only have the ports and a small buffer around themat Rio Gallegos and Comodoro Rivadavia, with the "natives" controlling the rest (until they annoy me and I "reeducate them) ;D
As for the army....Let me play with that a little more and get back to you.
Ok how about
Army - 2 Baseline Special (Mountain Infantry) Corps, 1 Special Baseline (Jungle Infantry) Corps, 2 Baseline Cavalry, 2 Baseline Heavy Infantry, 1 Baseline Light Infantry (To move in quickly incase I have to "reeducate" some "natives"; 100% Reg
I like the idea of a large central base at Bahia Blanca, but would suggest that the second largest port be at Rivadavia, rather than Punta Colorado: the latter is rather close to Bahia Blanca already, and Rivadavia would provide both logistical and political support to whatever expansion dreams you have for the south.
Gallegos and La Plata are good sites for patrol-ish bases, and although I like having a small port on the northern river system, I'd suggest a more central location such as Goya or Resistencia (and purpose-built riverine vessels, not protected cruisers whose draft may be an issue on the rivers...)
You also have the Falkland Islands, could put a Type 0 port there.
BTW I'm fluent in Spanish, so if you need anything translated feel free to ask.
Falklands are Norman. In 1882 the USA invaded those islands but Regentress Margaret sent a force which recaptured the Falklands after heavy fighting.
According to the map they are USA:
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=999.0
Yeah! What he said! :(
Ahoj!
Army looks better to me now.
In N-2 the Falklands were Essyleanian. So I assumed they are Norman, and never realy looked at the map to check. Thank you for corecting me.
As to Rivadavia - in OTL the town would be a year old ...
I jokingly - and erroneously - added the Flklands war to Navalism, so that aside - exactly what would be the purpose of a large naval base, where the food would have to shipped in from the north, at that location?
Borys
I missed the 'Regentress Margaret' part! :D
I wouldn't consider a Type 0 port a 'Large' Naval Base. The British did have a coaling station there, which brings up my 'No Slip/Dock Port' idea back again, for something costing less than a Type 0, but providing supplies.
Until something is decided with the Falklands, not that they are "prime" real estate but I like DesertFox's idea of the "not really a port, just coal and supplies, maybe a telegraph station, I have amended my ports/army to the following
Type 3 Puerto Militar (Bahia Blanco) - Main Arsenal/HQ 1st Battle Fleet(New BBs, New ACs), 2nd Scouting Fleet (Mid-age PCs & TBDs)
1 Type 2 DD
1 Type 1 DD
1 Type 0 DD
1 Type 2 Slip
1 Type 1 Slip
1 Type 0 Slip
Type 2 Base - Puerto Madryn - 2nd Battle Fleet, 3rd Scouting Fleet (Old BBs, Old ACs, and Old PCs)
2 Type 1 DD
2 Type 1 Slip
1 Type 0 Slip
Type 1 Base - Encarnacion - 1st Riverine Fleet, GBs & TBs
1 Type 0 DD
1 Type 0 slip
Type 0 Base - Rio Gallegos - 1st Scouting Fleet/Trusted w/ Straits of Magellan & Cape Horn (New PCs, DDs)
1 Type 0 DD
Type 0 Base - La Plata - for TBs and submarines
Fleet - 170,000 tonnes of warships, laid down 1890 or later
Went w/ Encarnacion as riverine base to satisfy Paraguan nationals (see RL A-H building ship in Hungary even though the yards in Austria were better/faster)
Army - 2 Baseline Special (Mountain Infantry) Corps, 1 Special Baseline (Jungle Infantry) Corps, 2 Baseline Cavalry, 2 Baseline Heavy Infantry, 1 Baseline Light Infantry; 15% Pro (Rank Officers & NCOs >=Sgt.) 85% Reg (Rest)
Ahoj!
Frankly, type 0 DD are kinda useless anyway, unless a base is used by TBs.
Sorry for confusing wording - but by "large base" I was referring to Rivadavia. Well, Type 1 is the first worthwhile size, so maybe they get by with the leek they buy from the nearby Cymru (Welsh) settlements.
A type 0 without DD/slips does exactly that - provide supplies, coal, some ammo. Remember what this type was added for - for lake and riverine craft - like Mimi or Fifi on Lake Tanganika in OTL.
I support the idea of riverine ports - Resistencia looks very good, as it is at the junction of the Parana and Paraguay. Or maybe both Goya and Assuncion. Or maybe even more up river (the Paraguay) at Concepcion. I suppose that Uruguay (the river) can be dealt with from Buenos Aires. In the 1902-1904 period you were likely to have reinforced defenses of northern Provinces, as Brasil was anarchic at best, or overrun by the Anuhuac - think modern day Aztecs, with rifles but still heart rippers and canibals.
The Habsburgs - the Fluttering White Dove of Peace and Understanding Among Nations - are open to talks on spheres of interest. BTW - we are neighbors, as I hold Parana.
Borys
Ahoj!
If you go with Encarnacion, then you should also use Assuncion or Conceicon - IMO.
Borys
QuoteThe Habsburgs - the Fluttering White Dove of Peace and Understanding Among Nations
...attacker of Taipei, Aden, and the Azores, undeclared war against NS, Intervention in Spanish Civil War, Invasion of Parana, 2nd war against NS, etc... ;)
.... backer of Rebels and uninvited participant of Spanish Civil war :)
Does this look any better? I really appriciate all the help. ;D
Type 3 Puerto Militar (Bahia Blanco) - Main Arsenal/HQ 1st Battle Fleet(New BBs, New ACs), 2nd Scouting Fleet (Mid-age PCs & TBDs)
1 Type 2 DD
2 Type 1 DD
1 Type 2 Slip
1 Type 1 Slip
1 Type 0 Slip
Type 2 Base - Puerto Madryn - 2nd Battle Fleet, 3rd Scouting Fleet (Old BBs, Old ACs, and Old PCs)
2 Type 1 DD
2 Type 1 Slip
1 Type 0 Slip
Type 1 Base - Rio Gallegos - 1st Scouting Fleet/Trusted w/ Straits of Magellan & Cape Horn (New PCs, DDs)
1 Type 0 slip
Type 0 Base - Resistencia - 1st Riverine Fleet, GBs & TBs
1 Type 0 DD
1 Type 0 slip
Type 0 Base - Concepcion - 2nd Riverine Fleet, GBs & TBs
Type 0 Base - La Plata - for TBs and submarines
Type 0 Base - Stanley, Falkland Is. Coal Station
Fleet - 170,000 tonnes of warships, laid down 1890 or later
Went w/ Encarnacion as riverine base to satisfy Paraguan nationals (see RL A-H building ship in Hungary even though the yards in Austria were better/faster)
Army - 2 Baseline Special (Mountain Infantry) Corps, 1 Special Baseline (Jungle Infantry) Corps, 2 Baseline Cavalry, 2 Baseline Heavy Infantry, 1 Baseline Light Infantry; 15% Pro (Rank Officers & NCOs >=Sgt.) 85% Reg (Rest)
Ahoj!
An often used term for river fleets was "flotilla".
I think you did some sloppy editing :)
I would keep Encarnacion as advanced base, just like Conceicon.
Encarnacion looks good as Parana river base.
It is not necessary to do that detailed sort of manpower composition for army units - just list them as Active.
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=87.0
Upkeep cost
Wartime/readyness: the unit is at full strength, ready to move within a few weeks - or is already figting. Upkeep cost is 25% of the build cost in $ (no BP) per six months
Active: the unit is part of the standing army, at 50% of its nominal strength in peacetime. During mobilization, the corps is filled by reserve troops recalled for duty.
Upkeep is 25% of the purchase cost in $ (no BP) per year, so 12.5% of it for six months.
Reserves: Only a framework organization of the unit exists - the HQ and a few regiments, with the equipment needed for mobilization stored. Only a fraction of the officers and NCOs are professional soldiers, the majority is reservists called up in time of crisis. Upkeep cost is 5% of the purchase cost per year, or 2.5% per six months.
MORALE LEVELS
Green/Recruit: freshly raised or just mobilized reserve unit.
Regular: Standing army, or recruit corps after 6 months in wartime. A newly raised corps need 12 months to achieve this status.
Elite: Any 'Regular' unit kept at wartime upkeep in peacetime for 24 months becomes 'elite'. During war, after twelve months of warfare without horrendous losses
a 'regular' unit can become 'elite'. This bonus disappear after 6 months of reduced funding.
Veteran: Elite units after 18 months of war, unless the casualties were very heavy (Great War - like), become 'veteran'. Effect would dissipate after taking heavy losses or three years of peacetime, degrading unit back to elite. Funding cut back will reduce the morale status to 'regular' in six months.
Is this kinda what you mean?
Type 3 Puerto Militar (Bahia Blanco) - Main Arsenal/HQ 1st Battle Fleet(New BBs, New ACs), 2nd Scouting Fleet (Mid-age PCs & TBDs)
1 Type 2 DD
2 Type 1 DD
1 Type 2 Slip
1 Type 1 Slip
1 Type 0 Slip
Type 2 Base - Puerto Madryn - 2nd Battle Fleet, 3rd Scouting Fleet (Old BBs, Old ACs, and Old PCs)
2 Type 1 DD
2 Type 1 Slip
1 Type 0 Slip
Type 1 Base - Rio Gallegos - 1st Scouting Fleet/Trusted w/ Straits of Magellan & Cape Horn (New PCs, DDs)
1 Type 0 slip
Type 0 Base - Encarnacion - 1st Riverine Flotilla, GBs & TBs
1 Type 0 DD
1 Type 0 slip
Type 0 Base - Concepcion - 2nd Riverine Flotilla, GBs & TBs
Type 0 Base - La Plata - for TBs and submarines
Type 0 Base - Stanley, Falkland Is. Coal Station
Fleet - 170,000 tonnes of warships, laid down 1890 or later
Went w/ Encarnacion as riverine base to satisfy Paraguan nationals (see RL A-H building ship in Hungary even though the yards in Austria were better/faster)
Army - 2 Baseline Special (Mountain Infantry) Corps, 1 Special Baseline (Jungle Infantry) Corps, 2 Baseline Cavalry, 2 Baseline Heavy Infantry, 1 Baseline Light Infantry; 100% Regular Active
Looks good to me.
Apart from Type 0 Slip at Rio Gallegos.
a/ unnecesary
b/ why build ships in the middle of nowhere
Better put a Floting Type 1 DD
Agreed, that's actually what I intended anyway. Wasn't paying close enough attention.
I'd say one additional lvl 0 dock at Rio Gallegos to maintain the TBs (or Punta Arenas?)
Ahoj!
Yes, the waters of the eastern entrance to the Strait of Magalhaes are IDEAL for 500 tonnes boats of doubtful seakeeping :)
Punta Arenas?
LOL!
Had there been any, I would had noticed them.
Borys
By Wikipedia
QuoteUntil the Panama Canal was finished in 1914, the Strait of Magellan was the main route for steam ships traveling from the Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific, it was often considered the only safe way to move between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. Protected by Tierra del Fuego to the south and the bulk of South America to the north, ships crossed with relative ease, removed from the dangers of Drake Passage. Despite these natural defenses sail ships such as the clippers preferred Drakes passage as they had more room to maneuver. The Drake Passage is the relatively narrow stretch of ocean separating Cape Horn (the southern tip of South America) from Antarctica, the waters of which are notoriously turbulent, unpredictable, and frequented by icebergs and sea ice.
And it makes sense for UdSA to have a port at Punta Arenas to look over all its domestic traffic - rather, it does not make sense not to have any at such an important passage (faulty Austrian reports put aside). And 500t boats can operate in those waters - it is NOT the Drake passage.
Ahoj!
Pardon the question - WHAT domestic traffic?
Look at the map where UdSA ends.
As to sea conditions - I was not talking about the Strait itself, but of the waters leading to it from the north east (which I hoped was clear from my post). The Falklands were a yachting weekend, huh?
Borys
Domestic traffic: before the Trans-Andian UdSA territories fallen into Peruvian hands or declared their independence, they were at least nominally UdSA. So there had to be some traffic.
Update:
Type 3 Puerto Militar (Bahia Blanco) - Main Arsenal/HQ 1st Battle Fleet(New BBs, New ACs), 2nd Scouting Fleet (Mid-age PCs & TBDs)
1 Type 2 DD
2 Type 1 DD
1 Type 2 Slip
1 Type 1 Slip
1 Type 0 Slip
Type 2 Base - Puerto Madryn - 2nd Battle Fleet, 3rd Scouting Fleet (Old BBs, Old ACs, and Old PCs)
2 Type 1 DD
2 Type 1 Slip
1 Type 0 Slip
Type 1 Base - Rio Gallegos - 1st Scouting Fleet/Trusted w/ Straits of Magellan & Cape Horn (New PCs, DDs)
2 Type 0 DD/1 Floating
Type 0 Base - Encarnacion - 1st Riverine Flotilla, GBs & TBs
1 Type 0 DD
1 Type 0 slip
Type 0 Base - Concepcion - 2nd Riverine Flotilla, GBs & TBs
Type 0 Base - La Plata - for TBs and submarines
Type 0 Base - Stanley, Falkland Is. Coal Station
Fleet - 170,000 tonnes of warships, laid down 1890 or later
Went w/ Encarnacion as riverine base to satisfy Paraguan nationals (see RL A-H building ship in Hungary even though the yards in Austria were better/faster)
Army - 2 Baseline Special (Mountain Infantry) Corps, 1 Special Baseline (Jungle Infantry) Corps, 2 Baseline Cavalry, 2 Baseline Heavy Infantry, 1 Baseline Light Infantry; 100% Regular Active
The passage south would have either been covered by the older N2 USA, or patrolled by the ACM and Essyleanian merchant fleets. By N3 standards, until recently the only traffic in that region (since the way east from Europe seems to be more profitable) would be Rohan repositioning ships from the Pacific Ocean to Caribbean Sea, Confederate and Columbian Merchant traffic, and French vessels. It seems until Brazil became a focus of Austian and Brandenburg attention there wasn't all that much Atantic to Pacific traffic, at least after the Swiss started getting everyone upset with them.
While they must be someone in Europe who does a lot of shipping from Atlantic to Pacific, they have not come forth in support of one canal or another (aside from Franch, whom claims to not have a large merchant fleet). Columbia did their task on their own successfully, while Rohan (with support from Swiss, Confederate, and Brandenburg) have built a canal which from Rohan's point of view is to have a secure method of moving naval vessels from one coast to the other in days rather than months. The commecial traffic is a method to pay for it. France's canal has sponsers (the Normans and Russians if I recall), but the canal has been built in probably the worst spot to build, yet if will be completed in the next six or so months as will Rohan's canal.
This will likely reduce any traffic using the southern route when it is easier to use a canal. THis won't end southern traffic, but reduce it somewhat starting in 1909 (actually it has already reduced since the Columbian's canal openned.)
Ahoj!
When did the N2 USA break up?
Or was there ever a Peruvian- Argentinian union in N-3?
When Peru was being set up I do not remember this issue being raised.
Borys
Well from this in about 1903:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/ithekro/navalism4.gif)
to this in 1906:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/ithekro/navalism1906h.gif)
Gave us a lot of headaches but most things were sorted out.
The USA breakup was stated that they could not keep their lines of communication open across the Andes and fell apart. The Natives on the west coast have asked for protection for various reasons while others have been "taken" by imperialism. Rohan is present to defend the natives. The Columbians that took over the Brandenburg lands I suppose are there to convert the children of God to the one true faith (I believe that was the old missionary calling) while Peru is extending her borders with the help of the Bolivians (possible rebellion or perhaps more a breakup of allied powers...it happened a lot in South America in the 1800s). Brazil/Peru/USA is still a bit wild in the Chaco region (was even into the 1920s). The southern part is what we could call loosely controlled by the USA. The natives there seem to have never been crushed, but seem to accept the Latin based cattle ranchers in defined areas.
Rohan has this "native rights" kick going on probably because they would be considered "Native Americans" in this world. They don't care for those that go after the natives, though since there has been a larger and roughly stable civilization in the Americas for many thousands of years the natives are a bit more advanced and "civil" than they would have seemed in the 1500s.
Thus this gives you an interesting place to consider your nation's origins and local/international relations as well as relations with the colonial powers (Europeans mostly).
Sniff ... my Navalism archive has died ... long time no see N2 map ...
Considering Brandenburgia, the Rift Sea, Chuvosa, dissapearance of Essyleans and Eastern Kingdom - the USA never having had borders different to those "today" is a trifle matter :)
Borys
Welcome aboard, neighbour across the Parana from Rio Grande do Sul. ;D
Psssst - dats da Parana 'nd da Uruguay rivers you is finking 'bout, dude ...
ADDED LATER:
I see a hasty cover up operation :)
I should quote posts :D
Borys
*bends reality to my will*
*points at my last post* Yeah, that's what I said. :P :D