He, he, he... You mean Prince William? Last I hear of him, he was commanding the ships that hit the Firanj Convoy (he survived and returned to NA), so long ago...
Ahoj!
Yes, Prince William. And this offer is made known to a few more people - the most influential men in the Duchy.
Borys
So if I understand correctly, you are calling for the Head 'Pirate' (from the Dutch POV) and the man who started this war, to declare independance and be recognized by the Allies? What are the Dutch saying about that?
Its interesting that the Allies are trying to split of Australia, when it was Australia that started the war in the first place.
Ahoj!
Tell me more about the dynasty ... William's age? siblings? children? siblings' children? cousins?
All I know is that Prince Wiliam is a bold and energetic, maybe a bit rash, leader.
:)
And human history has seen strange, very strange twists of fate ...
Borys
The primary industry in Darwin is... supplying the navy base.
I will have to revise the battle as I just realized that Darwin had a population of 15000... in WW2, and they just could not have as many militia I was assigning them.
Ahoj!
Well, you have a North Australia with 4 milion people. Let Niu Amsterdam have a whooping 150,000 inhabitants :)
Borys
What 4 million people? Whole Australia is 16. OTL current Northern Territory is 200,000. Now the border with Firanj and the area around the Lakes is something different.
PS. I HATE FANTASY GEOGRAPHY!!!!
Quote from: P3D on October 01, 2007, 02:51:12 PM
PS. I HATE FANTASY GEOGRAPHY!!!!
Well as long as it is well-defined there is no great problem with fantasy geography (but i must admit i do not see much point in much of it).
The problem we have is that most of the fantasy lands have zero or very vague details, so we have to make things up as we run into them.
I think everybody who have "new" or fantasy territory need to write up all relevant details and maps for it, so the rest of the players will have a chance to know something about the countries. The DKB (who admittedly have done a great deal along those lines) and New Switzerland come to mind....
I still want a planet program that will allow me to make these changes and thus show how the weather pattern, climate shifts, and ocean currents will be effected by these new land masses. I'm sure such things exist, but I don't know what they would be called, if they can be found online, or if one needs a supercomputer to operate it.
(We adjusted the land masses to justify the enlarged global populations that were being complained about in the previous version of this sim.)
Quote from: Ithekro on October 01, 2007, 03:22:44 PM
I still want a planet program that will allow me to make these changes and thus show how the weather pattern, climate shifts, and ocean currents will be effected by these new land masses. I'm sure such things exist, but I don't know what they would be called, if they can be found online, or if one needs a supercomputer to operate it.
It would be cool, but i suspect we would need a lot more data on the new continents (mountains and such things) to be able to get any good idea.
On thing I have thought about is how the terrain in Africa must be changed by the great rift being part of the sea. IRL the surface of Lake Tanganyika is 700m above the sea and feeds into the Kongo river, here it is at sea level. I kind of imagine the shores of the great rift to look like Norwegian fjords, sheer cliffs a few hundred meters high shooting up from the sea.
Quote(We adjusted the land masses to justify the enlarged global populations that were being complained about in the previous version of this sim.)
Ok
Ahoj!
I arrived at the 4M figure by compiling two sources:
From 1906 budget:
New Switzerland 16 5 42 3625 58.00
W Australia 16 4 40 3500 56.00
Taiwan 6 1 10 2667 16.00
Hainan 3 0.5 3 2000 6.00
New Guinea 1 0 0.5 1100 1.10
Alaska 1 0 0.5 1100 1.10
Hawaii 1 0.5 3 4000 4.00
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NS Total 44 11 99 3232 142.2
From
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=602.msg3629#msg3629
Kingdom of Australia
Capital: Sydney
Population: 12 Million
Goverment: The KoA is a Parlimentary Monarchy currently headed by Queen Elizabeth II.
Principality of New Amsterdam
Capital: New Amsterdam (Darwin)
Population: 5 Million
Land: North Australia, Moluccas, Western New Guinea
Goverment: Also a Palimentary Monarchy, the Prince of New Amsterdam is subordinated to the Queen of Australia.
The 5M comes from 4M on the Australian continent and 1M from Molukkas and Niu Guini.
Borys
I know the 4m came from the terrible and most unrealistic N2 colony setup. Rather a more OTL-like distribution with most of them on the east and southeast.
The north would still be rather hot and rather unfriendly as it didn't move. I'd expect more population around the Lakes or in other (other?) coastal cities.
Odd note: As this is "New Amsterdam" and is a "recent" Swiss territory (if we follow the N2 history of the region) than this area was mostly Dutch and perhaps French in ethnicity (for the Europeans anyway). I'm wondering if the population figure would have changed to a lower number if these people had moved to "Dutch (North) Indo-China" like they were suppose to so, and then later moved into the East Indies after that colony disbanded. With the "Queen" listed here likely being a Norman Queen (of a land that no longer belongs to her title), the remaining non-French and non-Dutch European population would be Norman more so than Swiss. Bloody reckless Normans and all that. However that might lead to there being informants and Dutch supporters in the colony (as well as some French people that are probably marginalized if they stayed, or are either pro-Royals, or were the more French part of the Norman lands back in the day).
Ahoj!
Very good questions.
The hospitabiity, or not, of NorthWest Australia depends on the monsoon. And it shoud go deeper inland than it actualy does (or so I've read). And having the arable band along the coast 100 or 200 miles deeper makes a world of difference.
The Great Lakes and Firanj - that also should be a monsoon area. Climate similar to Madagascar? Ethopia? Tanzania?
Light years better than the desert of the OTL.
Borys
Ahoj!
I suspect one does not move to North Indo-China. It is full of Viet-Namese :)
I never really gave the population issue a thought. I assumed it was (mostly) Norman, like SE Australia.
Borys
Quote from: Korpen on October 01, 2007, 03:31:15 PM
Quote from: Ithekro on October 01, 2007, 03:22:44 PM
I still want a planet program that will allow me to make these changes and thus show how the weather pattern, climate shifts, and ocean currents will be effected by these new land masses. I'm sure such things exist, but I don't know what they would be called, if they can be found online, or if one needs a supercomputer to operate it.
It would be cool, but i suspect we would need a lot more data on the new continents (mountains and such things) to be able to get any good idea.
On thing I have thought about is how the terrain in Africa must be changed by the great rift being part of the sea. IRL the surface of Lake Tanganyika is 700m above the sea and feeds into the Kongo river, here it is at sea level. I kind of imagine the shores of the great rift to look like Norwegian fjords, sheer cliffs a few hundred meters high shooting up from the sea.
Quote(We adjusted the land masses to justify the enlarged global populations that were being complained about in the previous version of this sim.)
Ok
Perhaps or perhaps not, the red sea is really the same rift expansion zone and it doesn't have such cliffs but its lower. The African rift by its size would have hade to have opened some time ago lots of time for errosion to do its thing; especially in that climate area.
Michael
QuoteTell me more about the dynasty ... William's age? siblings? children? siblings' children? cousins?
All I know is that Prince Wiliam is a bold and energetic, maybe a bit rash, leader.
According to NS history the current dynasty are direct decendants of William of Orange and Mary. W&M conduct their invasion of England succesfully, but with French help, James II manages to recover his throne. W&M then flee to the New World but are followed there and have to flee again. They and many of their supporters find refugee in Northern Australia, where the Kingdom of Australia is founded. The Capital is later moved to Sydney, however New Amsterdam remains as the capital of the Principality of New Amsterdam.
The current Queen of the Kingdom of Australia is Queen Elizabeth II, her eldest son is Prince William, Admiral of the NSN and Prince of New Amsterdam. He is married to Princess Lei, whose brother (a certain Luke...) is currently in NS cras...err test flying planes. William has a brother who currently is a Cavalry Captain in the Royal Australian Army stationed near Firanj.
Hmmm Prince William has a claim to the throne of the Neatherlands...
Age? For Prince William, I'd say around late thirties. Children? 2 boys, 1 girls, between 7 and 12.
Anything else?
Quote from: Desertfox on October 02, 2007, 09:45:02 AM
According to NS history the current dynasty are direct decendants of William of Orange and Mary.
Which one? There have been something like ten William of Orange.
Ahoj!
Thank you. I am a bit surprised at the type of connection between the Duchy of New Amsterdam and Kingdom of Australia.
The description
QuoteGoverment: The KoA is a Parlimentary Monarchy currently headed by Queen Elizabeth II.
Goverment: Also a Palimentary Monarchy, the Prince of New Amsterdam is subordinated to the Queen of Australia.
did not prepare me for a dynastic union.
But the background lends itself to further twists.
Name of William's brother? Lemme guess - Henry? Edward?
To Korpen:
But that's crystal clear - the William whose wife was named Mary :D
Quote from: Borys on October 02, 2007, 10:05:33 AM
To Korpen:
But that's crystal clear - the William whose wife was named Mary :D
Right... And which one of them was it that was married to a "mary" (there is three william of orange who have been married to different "Mary;s")
Ahoj!
Here the second clue comes in handy - a certain James II should help you pinpoint the relevant Wilhelm van Oranje.
Borys
William the III and Mary the II one would assume. 1690s.
I wanted to keep Firanj off the map to save os from opening this can of worms.
If we go with Northern Australia, then it was Dutch until like 6 years ago. That means the local populace is rather friendly to the Dutch. Go figure.
Why the change? In N-Verse 1.0, North Australia had always been Swiss. No need to change that here.
I still fail to understand why you call "Darwin" New Amsterdam. Looking back on the maps again you are right, the norther most part of Australia was Swiss, the middle was "French" and the South was Dutch. The Dutch moved into the center until the Caliphate protests got to the point of forcing the Dutch to pull out. However this was still during the time of the Triple Alliance, two of which are now fighting the one.
Shouldn't New Amsterdam in in the south and not Darwin?