Since nobody's posted anything today, I may as well let the cats out of the bag.
The revised Triunfante class battleships will be laid down in 1909. A few changes have been made to the design:
-The hull sits a bit lower in the water, so will cost me a bit more.
-The forward turret arrangement has been changed to A-Bs; though the design does not make it clear, it will be a new gun design, too. Sighting hoods have been removed from the turrets, allowing fire over other turrets.
-Consequently, additional 14 cm guns have been added to the secondary battery, at the expense of tertiary and QF battery guns
-More compact, higher superstructure forward
-Improved armor protection (the belt length reflects what the picture tells me I need, not what the SS report says)
-Slightly faster, with oil-sprayed coal-firing boilers; though the range has gone down, it's acceptable for GC standards.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/sharpj/triunfante4.png)
Top view as originally designed; bottom view as revised and to be built...
Triunfante/Porfiado, to be laid down 1909
Displacement:
22,692 t light; 23,935 t standard; 25,284 t normal; 26,364 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
560.01 ft / 557.74 ft x 95.14 ft x 25.66 ft (normal load)
170.69 m / 170.00 m x 29.00 m x 7.82 m
Armament:
4 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 865.70lbs / 392.67kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, all forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
8 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 865.70lbs / 392.68kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, all aft, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
18 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.98kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all forward
18 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
10 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30.51lbs / 13.84kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
4 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
4 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30.51lbs / 13.84kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading anti-airship guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 12,323 lbs / 5,589 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.6" / 320 mm 396.98 ft / 121.00 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: 3.94" / 100 mm 160.76 ft / 49.00 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Upper: 5.91" / 150 mm 396.98 ft / 121.00 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 110 % of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
0.98" / 25 mm 396.98 ft / 121.00 m 24.31 ft / 7.41 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 12.6" / 320 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 12.6" / 320 mm
2nd: 12.6" / 320 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 12.6" / 320 mm
3rd: 5.91" / 150 mm - -
4th: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
5th: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
- Armour deck: 2.36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 12.60" / 320 mm
Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 32,000 shp / 23,872 Kw = 20.82 kts
Range 6,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 2,429 tons)
Complement:
1,002 - 1,303
Cost:
£2.310 million / $9.239 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,540 tons, 6.1 %
Armour: 9,446 tons, 37.4 %
- Belts: 3,699 tons, 14.6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 351 tons, 1.4 %
- Armament: 3,386 tons, 13.4 %
- Armour Deck: 1,777 tons, 7.0 %
- Conning Tower: 234 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 1,584 tons, 6.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,742 tons, 38.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,593 tons, 10.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 378 tons, 1.5 %
-77 t: 50mm thick splinter bulkheads separating 140mm casemates 4&5, and 6&7, on each beam
-50 t: Long range wireless, short range wireless, and extra flag signals facilties
-50 t: Flag facilities
-50 t: VIP accommodation
-50 t: Extra pumps and generators for damage control
-101 t: Weight reserve
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
27,937 lbs / 12,672 Kg = 32.3 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 4.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.07
Metacentric height 5.3 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 17.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.66
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.41
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.650
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.86 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 22.97 ft / 7.00 m (15.09 ft / 4.60 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.09 ft / 4.60 m
- Stern: 15.09 ft / 4.60 m
- Average freeboard: 19.27 ft / 5.87 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 144.7 %
Waterplane Area: 40,652 Square feet or 3,777 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 180 lbs/sq ft or 881 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.61
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
U.S.S. Wyoming eh... great now i have to come up with somthing new.
Very scary... she lacks that certain 'strangeness' that made the original so cool, but is a pretty capable and pretty looking ship. Very handy and very powerful. The pair will make GC very respected in the world of turret farms.
GC just needs to bribe me and get my trip turrets, then they could have 12 guns with 4 turrets.
Ahoj!
Are you sure you can't find space for turret no. 7?
Borys
Baby steps. ;D
Ahoj!
Are all the turbines between the boiler rooms and P and Q turrets, or is half of the turbines between Q and X?
The ship looks as if it lacked space for turbines.
Maybe eliminate stack 3, to show space for the turbines. And/or maybe also space out Q and X a bit.
Borys
QuoteAre all the turbines between the boiler rooms and P and Q turrets, or is half of the turbines between Q and X?
I have no idea where the turbines would be; having based the design on USS Wyoming/Arkansas, with similar-ish dimensions, machinery and armament, I'd assume something similar to them. I don't know what that does for funnel arrangements.
QuoteGC just needs to bribe me and get my trip turrets, then they could have 12 guns with 4 turrets.
Appreciate the opportunity to slip Italy bribes, but GC can develop them itself. It was a conscious decision not to do so in this case. I don't like the look, and will take the redundancy/rate of fire advantage of six twins over the weight-savings of four triples.
QuoteU.S.S. Wyoming eh... great now i have to come up with somthing new.
Unless you think GC and Italy have reasons to butt heads, I don't think that's really true. Well, okay, maybe the Italian leadership will want to engage in the proverbial pissing contest.
Quoteshe lacks that certain 'strangeness' that made the original so cool
Regretably true. Oh well. The look's still relatively unique for this world.
Quote from: The Rock Doctor on September 30, 2007, 06:05:17 AM
QuoteAre all the turbines between the boiler rooms and P and Q turrets, or is half of the turbines between Q and X?
QuoteU.S.S. Wyoming eh... great now i have to come up with somthing new.
Unless you think GC and Italy have reasons to butt heads, I don't think that's really true. Well, okay, maybe the Italian leadership will want to engage in the proverbial pissing contest.
Nah Italy just likes wierd ships, and since someone is already building Wyoming ill have to come up with somthing else wierd to build. =P
Ahoj!
Gypsy crone looking into crystal ball
... I see an eight turret ship in your future ...
Borys
Ah yes...:
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=1252.0
;D
This ship is not a turret farm, a N-Verse T Farm must have at least 8 twin turrets to qualify, a semi-T Farm must have either 6 twins or 8 with half being twins. So far no ship yet qualifies for true T-Farm status, but Satsuma and GN both qualify as semi-Turret Farms.
@ Rocky, the first ship definately had that intimidation factor going for it. Imagine the look on the Admiral who manages to cross the GC Fleet's T! Now if the original ship had had two superstructures, now that would have been scary!
@ Thanthalas. Want weird? How about an Andrea Doria with quads and triples instead of triples and twins? That would be...say 18 guns in 5 turrets!
Quote from: Desertfox on September 30, 2007, 06:01:32 PM
Ah yes...:
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=1252.0
;D
This ship is not a turret farm, a N-Verse T Farm must have at least 8 twin turrets to qualify, a semi-T Farm must have either 6 twins or 8 with half being twins. So far no ship yet qualifies for true T-Farm status, but Satsuma and GN both qualify as semi-Turret Farms.
@ Rocky, the first ship definately had that intimidation factor going for it. Imagine the look on the Admiral who manages to cross the GC Fleet's T! Now if the original ship had had two superstructures, now that would have been scary!
@ Thanthalas. Want weird? How about an Andrea Doria with quads and triples instead of triples and twins? That would be...say 18 guns in 5 turrets!
18 guns drools
Hmmm. So will the first true "turret farm" ship be the designation for all of the type that come after her?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/ithekro/9793a11e.gif)
This is a little advanced (not much though) and also only armed with 8" guns, but would this qualify?
LOL
Look everybody, a fireworks stand!
Looks like the Navalism dutch AFs. Wing turret magazines to protect machinery spaces.
I just find myself wondering if Capitan Taylor's first name was 'Andy.'
;)
Doubtful. It is an "irresponsible" ship, named for an irresponsible, but very lucky, destroyer captain.
She is however the "White Elephant" of the Chilean Navy. Her prime task it to show the flag at important events and fleet reviews, thus keeping the more valuble ships in Chilean waters most of the time (though sometimes the American build "Coastal Defense Battleship" goes on these types of missions instead, but only if it is more local. Tylor has longer legs.)
san we have a ss report on that... i might want to build one
You might be abel to build a low tech version of her. right now she's a bit powerful in the engine department. At least for 1908. (two versions given)
Capitan Tylor
Chilean Heavy Armoured Cruiser laid down 1926 (Wesworld)
Displacement:
16,632 t light; 17,486 t standard; 20,013 t normal; 21,955 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
606.00 ft / 595.00 ft x 85.00 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
184.71 m / 181.36 m x 25.91 m x 7.62 m
Armament:
8 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (4x2 guns), 276.24lbs / 125.30kg shells, 1926 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (4x2 guns), 276.24lbs / 125.30kg shells, 1926 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
14 - 4.33" / 110 mm guns in single mounts, 40.61lbs / 18.42kg shells, 1926 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
20 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (10x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1926 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 5,019 lbs / 2,277 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8.50" / 216 mm 345.50 ft / 105.31 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 89 % of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.00" / 25 mm 345.50 ft / 105.31 m 23.50 ft / 7.16 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8.50" / 216 mm 5.00" / 127 mm 7.00" / 178 mm
2nd: 8.50" / 216 mm 5.00" / 127 mm 7.00" / 178 mm
3rd: 3.00" / 76 mm - -
4th: 0.25" / 6 mm - -
- Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 8.50" / 216 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 81,503 shp / 60,801 Kw = 28.00 kts
Range 10,000nm at 16.50 kts (Bunkerage = 4,549 tons)
Complement:
840 - 1,093
Cost:
£4.976 million / $19.904 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 587 tons, 2.9 %
Armour: 5,596 tons, 28.0 %
- Belts: 1,560 tons, 7.8 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 300 tons, 1.5 %
- Armament: 1,691 tons, 8.5 %
- Armour Deck: 1,908 tons, 9.5 %
- Conning Tower: 135 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 2,609 tons, 13.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,690 tons, 38.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,381 tons, 16.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 0.7 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
24,450 lbs / 11,090 Kg = 95.5 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 3.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 4.7 ft / 1.4 m
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.46
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.554
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24.39 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 18.44 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 33.00 ft / 10.06 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Mid (50 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Stern: 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Average freeboard: 22.83 ft / 6.96 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171.2 %
Waterplane Area: 34,384 Square feet or 3,194 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 128 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 150 lbs/sq ft or 732 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.00
- Longitudinal: 1.73
- Overall: 1.06
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
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Such as this one perhaps.
Captain Tylor, USA (Argentina) Heavy Armoured Cruiser laid down 1909
Displacement:
16,336 t light; 17,161 t standard; 20,000 t normal; 22,191 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
604.00 ft / 595.00 ft x 85.00 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
184.10 m / 181.36 m x 25.91 m x 7.62 m
Armament:
8 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (4x2 guns), 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (4x2 guns), 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
14 - 4.33" / 110 mm guns in single mounts, 40.61lbs / 18.42kg shells, 1909 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
20 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (10x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1909 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 4,695 lbs / 2,130 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8.50" / 216 mm 390.00 ft / 118.87 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.00" / 25 mm 390.00 ft / 118.87 m 23.50 ft / 7.16 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8.50" / 216 mm 5.00" / 127 mm 7.00" / 178 mm
2nd: 8.50" / 216 mm 5.00" / 127 mm 7.00" / 178 mm
3rd: 3.00" / 76 mm - -
4th: 0.25" / 6 mm - -
- Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 8.50" / 216 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48,000 shp / 35,808 Kw = 24.50 kts
Range 10,000nm at 12.00 kts (Bunkerage = 5,109 tons)
Complement:
840 - 1,093
Cost:
£1.401 million / $5.603 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 587 tons, 2.9 %
Armour: 5,790 tons, 29.0 %
- Belts: 1,716 tons, 8.6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 339 tons, 1.7 %
- Armament: 1,693 tons, 8.5 %
- Armour Deck: 1,908 tons, 9.5 %
- Conning Tower: 135 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 2,400 tons, 12.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,409 tons, 37.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,664 tons, 18.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 0.8 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
27,766 lbs / 12,595 Kg = 108.5 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 4.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
Metacentric height 5.7 ft / 1.7 m
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.38
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.62
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.554
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24.39 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 18.44 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 27.00 ft / 8.23 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Mid (50 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Stern: 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Average freeboard: 22.35 ft / 6.81 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171.2 %
Waterplane Area: 34,370 Square feet or 3,193 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 130 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 145 lbs/sq ft or 709 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.65
- Overall: 1.04
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Ahoj!
IMO not to be approached if you're not armed with 11 inch or larger guns.
She'll simply bury you under a storm of 8" shells.
Borys
that thingy is scary... and EXPENSIVE
Ahoj!
Yes, all that gunmetal costs :)
She costs 2/3rds of my battleships currently under construction.
Borys
brings to mind what i was playing with for a fast cruiser. but i decided she wasnt worth it.
Expensive yes. She was designed (in 1926) as a throwback to the armored cruiser line of warships instead of going with the battlecruiser type. She was intended to be able to combat two "Treaty" Heavy Cruisers at once, thus she has heavy armor and 16 x 8" guns (though not all can engage one target). She was also intended to be able to engage what was considered the largest cruiser in the world at that time (A Wesworld Iberian ship called El Cid), but aside from rate of fire, the El Cid is superior with larger guns and thicker about as thick armor.
Tylor's successor, the Capitan Oyama, would mount 9 x 10" guns and have 33+ knots of speed, as well as 4" of deck armor to be able to be a match for El Cid and her 12x9.4" cannons. Also building more than one Oyama helps since there is only one El Cid.
The 1909 version is probably too big for what she does or what anyone here might need. She can probably be cut down in size and retain her guns.
I realy wonder if there would be a reason to build anything like this, well in the here and now of our time line.
Ahoj!
I think that with a pyramid arangement aft, i.e. 9 turrets, I could try to sell this design to the French ...
Borys
Well with fire control likely coming into being I would wager that a ship of this type verses a battlecruiser at range would not be a good idea. Especially if the battlecruiser can dictate the range. If it can get in close enough to engage with her rather large 8" battery, then she would give any battlecruiser grief (well any battlecruiser with less than 9" of armor on a large belt anyway).
The 1909 version is quite fast for an armored cruiser and practically matched this eras battlecruisers in speed.
The 1926 version would be able to keep up with the battlecruisers, but that is a much more powerful and more advanced engine.
Now imagine this with 9" or 10" guns....
RM Gun Farm, Italia Gun Farm laid down 1908 (Engine 1905)
Displacement:
14,219 t light; 14,797 t standard; 16,500 t normal; 17,863 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
530.00 ft / 528.00 ft x 80.00 ft x 26.00 ft (normal load)
161.54 m / 160.93 m x 24.38 m x 7.92 m
Armament:
8 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (4x2 guns), 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 1908 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (4x2 guns), 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 1908 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
8 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1908 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1908 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side ends, evenly spread
8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1908 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 4,812 lbs / 2,183 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 85
4 - 20.0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7.00" / 178 mm 418.49 ft / 127.56 m 10.73 ft / 3.27 m
Ends: 4.00" / 102 mm 109.49 ft / 33.37 m 10.73 ft / 3.27 m
Upper: 4.00" / 102 mm 418.49 ft / 127.56 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 122 % of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.00" / 25 mm 418.49 ft / 127.56 m 23.78 ft / 7.25 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.00" / 178 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 7.00" / 178 mm
2nd: 7.00" / 178 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 7.00" / 178 mm
3rd: 4.00" / 102 mm - -
- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 7.00" / 178 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 20,201 ihp / 15,070 Kw = 20.00 kts
Range 6,600nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,066 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
727 - 946
Cost:
£1.413 million / $5.651 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 602 tons, 3.6 %
Armour: 4,954 tons, 30.0 %
- Belts: 2,035 tons, 12.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 368 tons, 2.2 %
- Armament: 1,387 tons, 8.4 %
- Armour Deck: 1,066 tons, 6.5 %
- Conning Tower: 98 tons, 0.6 %
Machinery: 2,928 tons, 17.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,676 tons, 34.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,281 tons, 13.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 60 tons, 0.4 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
19,528 lbs / 8,858 Kg = 76.3 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 3.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 14.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 68 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.39
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.63
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0.526
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.60 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.98 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 42
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25.00 ft / 7.62 m
- Forecastle (10 %): 25.00 ft / 7.62 m (18.00 ft / 5.49 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Quarterdeck (10 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Stern: 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Average freeboard: 18.73 ft / 5.71 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 118.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 135.9 %
Waterplane Area: 28,821 Square feet or 2,678 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 135 lbs/sq ft or 659 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.58
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Ahoj!
It is RN = Regia Nave, not RM.
Borys
Gah they are side by side and im drunk....
Ahoj!
1 - you could had been confused by Regia Marina
2 - we are not interested, "don't ask, don't tell"
3 - go to bed
Borys
Quote from: Borys on October 01, 2007, 12:29:49 AM
Ahoj!
1 - you could had been confused by Regia Marina
2 - we are not interested, "don't ask, don't tell"
3 - go to bed
Borys
LOL im bout to =P
This thread has certainly gone off on a tangent.
Turret farm or not, Triunfante's successor will likely have less - either twins of a larger caliber, or quads of some kind. I've modelled a scaled-up version with 13" guns in six twins, but a 3x4 arrangement may be technically possible by the time I build it.
The two versions of the ship do offer similar firepower ahead, they just happen to produce full twelve-gun broadsides now. Better to cross my T than line up parallel to me...
LOL... with 6 twins, and two of them superfiring, even crossing the T would be a bit dicey, because while you are steaming perpendicular to the GC line, at least 2 of the aft turrets will be able to fire on you for at least 50% of the time as well.
The design is as sound, if not moreso, than most running around now.
"Go ahead...cross my T"