Parthian Empire

[snip]

The issue with doing it that was is now the turrets in 1 and 2 as noted on Kirk's diagram cannot in any way fire forward and would have super limited arcs. Per the drawing provided, they should be able to. I think the best aproach when it comes to adapting odd ships with Springsharp would be to match freeboard as close as posible, and then build the armament off of that freeboard. That drawing strikes me as being more visualy similar to HMS Dreadnaught (which is noted in Springsharp documentation of having A turret raised) than it is to a mid-break ship.

[Walter]

That drawing strikes me as being more visualy similar to HMS Dreadnaught (which is noted in Springsharp documentation of having A turret raised) than it is to a mid-break ship.

To me the mid break is a tool to separate the armament that is forward on a raised section from the armament that is located aft not on a raised section. It does not matter whether the mid break is at 20% or at 80 %. It is more accurate as SS gives you the barbette weight of that particular freeboard instead of a fixed weight set by a raised mount. If the raised forecastle is high enough then it is possible than not only turrets 1 and 2 cannot fire forward but turrets A and B cannot fire forward either because of their fixed height above the lower part of the deck (though admittedly it would need to be a bit of an extreme high forecastle to do that). Also if I were to use forecastle break and set it at 38% (where it should roughly be), then guns 1 and 2 still cannot fire forward so in that case it really does not matter if forecastle break or mid break is used. The width of the ship there would be the same whether it is a mid break or a forecastle break. So based on that, the use of a mid break is more correct than a forecastle break.

Alternatively if you feel that a 20% forecastle needs to be used, then it would probably also work if you were to use a 10% forecastle and a 10% forward deck to get the same result and have the proper heights of the barbettes of turrets A and B. Another option could be to have those lower turrets simmed as being on the lowered aft section of the ship with Kirk's original sim with a note saying that they are actually at that height forward of the mid break.

Another thing is that the springsharp documentation is old with old way of thinking (and quickly glancing at the examples, just simply incorrect simming). To me, simming Dreadnought with a raised forecastle and a raised A turret is wrong. Looking quickly at a few other S3b2 sims, HMS Erin looks to have been simmed with the midbreak where I would roughly put it, but for some weird reason, 4 of the 5 turrets are raised. The HMS Queen Elizabeth is simmed with 0.75 ft / 0.23 m Unarmoured ends, but the image I got shows a lot more of the bow and stern not having belt armor (rough guess about 10% of the ship's length, similar to the Erin sim). Also considering QE's break, the secondaries on the 1912 version should be the 12 guns on foredeck (probably even forward) and the 4 guns aft deck forward. Algerie is simmed with all of her 8" turrets raised while it should only be 2. Of course number of shells per guns for a lot of guns of all the designs are not correct. HMS warrior is simmed completely wrong. Wrong guns, wrong number of guns, wrong gun lengths, wrong shell weights, my book does not show or mention it having any deck armor which the sim does have, armored belt is mentioned as being 16 feet above water and 6 feet under for a total of 22 feet, not 17 feet total as in the sim and it does not appear to have had an armored conning tower which the sim has.

[Kaiser Kirk]

. so by adjusting the range of the formula, I managed to 'gain' about 20 BPs. :)

Lucky you, I lost about 20...

Wow... I guess you can make an MTB bridge across the Strait of Hormuz with all the available Parthian MTBs. ;D 

Hmm, 32.5m each, x 416, 13.52km ...Hormuz is 54km at the narrowest. Well golly whiz, apparently I don't enough....I can only bridge 1/4 of the way across.

I do have this mental image of some how managing to concentrate all 416 in one place and attacking en masse.  At that point they would be able to overwhelm whatever 23,000tons would buy.

Considering that the tech is 1900, should that not be 1902 minimum?
Same with this but with the 1905 tech. Should this not be 1907 minimum?

After considering...you are correct.
Moving them from 1905 to 1907 isn't a problem, but 1900 to 1902 upped my costs slightly.  As they are simply experimental at this point, I think I'll reduce the total to 2x 1902 Sub and which gives a remainder of 0.801BP to boost my infrastructure with.

[Kaiser Kirk]

As for the Regina Elena the first version is on page 2, reply #26, and has the break just aft of the 3/4 turrets.  With that version, A/1/2 turrets are all the same level on the elevated forecastle, while B/3/4 are superimposed. This allows proper forward fire, while 3/4 are now two decks above 5/6 and can easily fire aft.   The downside of that is while it makes for the proper firing arcs, it doesn't fit the actual ship and is expensive in freeboard. Plus it means there's an odd split in casement, which I prorated the height of.  I had the 180mm consolidated there.

So the page 4 Regina Elena tried to follow the freeboard properly. To me, it looks like A historically was simply at the forecastle height, the question I wondered is how far aft that went. I figured it had to pick up that  casement, as the upper belt covered it. That meant the turrets were low down.  Looking at the line drawing, there's one complete deck above the waterline, and the next deck has the weaponry. Which means those 1/2 5/6 turrets aren't far off the water. So I can see a heavy seas warning being in the spirit of the thing.  I'm presuming lowering the turrets and accepting the heavy seas makes the forward hull cutouts make sense.

Now Snips' version also makes a bit of sense, but with the deficiencies noted above.

Walter's makes improvements on Snip's version, but has the same forward fire bit... how did you manage to get the casements to not be limited? When I put them back there they wind up limited use in any sea because they are below the 3.5 deck level instead of below the 6.0 deck level.

I still look at that line drawing (well the one in Breyer) and see a forecastle deck extending to the aft mast, then a superstructure deck one above it, not a forecastle stopping at 38/40% of the ship.

[Walter]

Looking again at the linedrawing as well as looking at one of the photos, I would probably put the actual mid break just forward of turrets 5 and 6.

                  5|  3   1   
           X  Y    |           B  A    -->
                  6|  4   2

With some measuring using paint, I would say forecastle 20%, forward deck 41%, aft deck 24%, quarter deck 15%.

Using that break, I would sim it with two guns forward of the mid break and four aft with a note stating that two of those guns are actually forward of the break but simmed aft to sim them at the proper height above the waterline and to prevent SS from turning them into hull casemates when lowered below the freeboard. No raised mounts on the sides. 345mm guns not raised. Centerline 180mm guns raised on the ends. If you were to do the 90mm guns similar to the Regina Elena's 3" guns, you would probably need double raised guns for the non-casemate 90mm guns.

At that point they would be able to overwhelm whatever 23,000tons would buy.

I would think that the torpedoes of all those MTBs would harmlessly pass far above 23,000 tons of submerged submarines...

[Kaiser Kirk]

Interesting.
The page 2 design was 20% 35%, 30% 15%, so close to what you're suggesting.
for the 180mm I'd either need to go with 6 turrets 'Sides - ends aft>fore' or split the 180mm into two groups again.
For my purposes, I'm just putting the 90s in the casement, but won't 'foredeck' or 'foredeck aft' put them in the right place.
The foredeck is 60.885m, for 60 m for that casement. If I use 14 guns, guns at 0m 12m  24m (3/4turret) 36m  48m 60m.

Results like this :
Parthian Battleship laid down 1904

Displacement:
   17,000 t light; 18,034 t standard; 19,456 t normal; 20,594 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (493.77 ft / 487.20 ft) x 86.94 ft x (28.71 / 30.04 ft)
   (150.50 m / 148.50 m) x 26.50 m  x (8.75 / 9.16 m)

Armament:
      4 - 13.58" / 345 mm 40.0 cal guns - 1,201.52lbs / 545.00kg shells, 105 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      16 - 7.09" / 180 mm 45.0 cal guns - 176.37lbs / 80.00kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
     6 x Twin mounts on side ends, majority aft
      14 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     14 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      14 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      Weight of broadside 7,937 lbs / 3,600 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   15.0" / 380 mm   316.67 ft / 96.52 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   170.51 ft / 51.97 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
   Upper:   5.31" / 135 mm   196.85 ft / 60.00 m   14.76 ft / 4.50 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Hull Bulges:
      0.00" / 0 mm     0.00 ft / 0.00 m   0.00 ft / 0.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15.2" / 385 mm   6.50" / 165 mm      15.0" / 380 mm
   2nd:   5.91" / 150 mm   1.97" / 50 mm      5.31" / 135 mm
   3rd:   5.31" / 135 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - multiple decks: 3.74" / 95 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 14.96" / 380 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 23,354 shp / 17,422 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 5,825nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,560 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   823 - 1,070

Cost:
   £1.602 million / $6.409 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,437 tons, 7.4 %
   Armour: 6,856 tons, 35.2 %
      - Belts: 3,064 tons, 15.8 %
      - Armament: 1,742 tons, 9.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,817 tons, 9.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 233 tons, 1.2 %
   Machinery: 2,312 tons, 11.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,925 tons, 30.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,456 tons, 12.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 469 tons, 2.4 %
      - Hull below water: 189 tons
      - Hull void weights: 170 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 85 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     25,792 lbs / 11,699 Kg = 20.6 x 13.6 " / 345 mm shells or 3.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
   Metacentric height 6.0 ft / 1.8 m
   Roll period: 14.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.47
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.53

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.560 / 0.566
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.60 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.07 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  21.33 ft / 6.50 m,  20.51 ft / 6.25 m
      - Forward deck:   41.00 %,  20.51 ft / 6.25 m,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Aft deck:   24.00 %,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m,  12.30 ft / 3.75 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.95 ft / 5.17 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 116.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 29,840 Square feet or 2,772 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 156 lbs/sq ft or 763 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 2.05
      - Overall: 1.01
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather


Upper belt : The main belt rises 0.5m above the main protective deck. The remaining distance to freeboard is covered by the upperbelt. 54% of the upper belt is 2 decks (5m) high, and 46% is 1 deck (2.5m) high. This means 54% is 4.5m high, and 46% is 2m high, for an average of 3.35m high.

+6.0 Forecastle Deck, 30mm armor deck, top of 54% of upper belt.
+3.5 Weather Deck, 30mm armor deck, top of 46% of upper belt
+1.5  Top of main belt
+1.0  3rd Deck, Crown of Protective Deck 60mm
-1.5   3rd Deck, Bottom of main belt, lower edge of 60mm protective deck
-3.00 2nd Deck
-5.50 1st Deck, pierced by turbines
-8.08 Engineering Deck

Range is equivalent of 21 days at 10kts with a 10% reserve

Misc Wt.

85t - 0.5% increased ventilation
40t - 4 torpedo tubes (2 each beam) with 20x 18" torpedoes
149t - Torpedo Nets
170t - void, construction reserve (1%)

[Kaiser Kirk]

Well, pleasant surprise to find this has come back to life. I figured I'd be posting just for the heck of it.

I have a couple changes to previously posted designs.
1) As discussed on the Tiamat design alternatives, I've decided to go with the 5mm larger guns and slightly (~600t) larger hull.
2) I put together all my ships in a narrow window of free time and spammed them out there, so I wasn't able to respond to what others were building. However, in one of my rare interludes of looking at other designs last month, I noted Jefgte was starting BC types in 1903 with a follow on in 1908.  Plus his 1908 DDs were way faster than mine, as I kept using 1906 engines.

This meant two things - #1 I needed to upgrade my 1908 DDs with 1908 engines, not 1906, and #2, my 1908 Armored Cruiser was actually decently matched by his 1904 BC, but Jefgte was pushing high speed much earlier than I expected, and so my 1908 design was slower than his 1904.. and should be a response of similar or greater speed to function as a viable ACR.
So I took out the torpedo bulkheads, and the extra beam I had added to fit them in, suddenly my ship got faster.

3) I really don't like the "gap" I have between the 1894 Bucephalus ACR and the 1908 ACR.  I needed something in between. So I've made my version of the Italian Pisa Class, which makes a very nice bridge. I just have no idea how it's going to fit into my build schedule.

Pisa / San Giorgio wanna-be, that I don't know how I'll fit in my builds as it's a capital ship and I have no room for more of those in that time period, much less pay for it

Mithrandes, Parthian Pisa/SanGiorgio ACR laid down 1904

Displacement:
   12,300 t light; 12,940 t standard; 13,889 t normal; 14,649 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (505.25 ft / 498.69 ft) x 68.90 ft x (24.61 / 25.69 ft)
   (154.00 m / 152.00 m) x 21.00 m  x (7.50 / 7.83 m)

Armament:
      4 - 10.04" / 255 mm 50.0 cal guns - 535.72lbs / 243.00kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 7.09" / 180 mm 45.0 cal guns - 176.37lbs / 80.00kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      12 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 350 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1899 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 2.36" / 60.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 7.05lbs / 3.20kg shells, 350 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,875 lbs / 1,758 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.09" / 180 mm   324.15 ft / 98.80 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   3.54" / 90 mm   174.51 ft / 53.19 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Upper:   3.54" / 90 mm   246.06 ft / 75.00 m   14.76 ft / 4.50 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Hull Bulges:
      0.00" / 0 mm     0.00 ft / 0.00 m   0.00 ft / 0.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.48" / 190 mm   3.54" / 90 mm      7.09" / 180 mm
   2nd:   6.50" / 165 mm   3.54" / 90 mm      5.31" / 135 mm
   3rd:   3.94" / 100 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      0.98" / 25 mm
   4th:   0.24" / 6 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - multiple decks: 2.56" / 65 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.09" / 180 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 31,746 shp / 23,683 Kw = 23.00 kts
   Range 4,640nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,709 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   639 - 831

Cost:
   £1.245 million / $4.978 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 828 tons, 6.0 %
   Armour: 3,810 tons, 27.4 %
      - Belts: 1,776 tons, 12.8 %
      - Armament: 882 tons, 6.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,064 tons, 7.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 88 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 3,143 tons, 22.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,187 tons, 30.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,589 tons, 11.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 332 tons, 2.4 %
      - Hull below water: 172 tons
      - Hull void weights: 120 tons
      - Above deck: 40 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14,824 lbs / 6,724 Kg = 29.3 x 10.0 " / 255 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.21
   Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 14.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.50

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.575 / 0.581
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.24 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.33 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -12.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  24.77 ft / 7.55 m,  21.49 ft / 6.55 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  21.49 ft / 6.55 m,  18.21 ft / 5.55 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  18.21 ft / 5.55 m,  18.21 ft / 5.55 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  18.21 ft / 5.55 m,  19.85 ft / 6.05 m
      - Average freeboard:      19.74 ft / 6.02 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 138.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,548 Square feet or 2,281 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 121 lbs/sq ft or 589 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.82
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather


5.55  4th Deck, top of upper belt, 25mm armor deck .
3.05  3rd Deck
1.05   Top of Main Belt, bottom uppe belt
0.55    2nd Deck, Crown of 40mm Protective Deck
-1.95  1st deck, bottom of Protective deck,bottom of Main belt.
-6.95  Engineering Deck (2 decks height)

The 500t 1904 DD updated with 1908 engines. They make a remarkable difference.
Spear, Parthia Destroyer laid down 1904 (Engine 1908)

Displacement:
   516 t light; 537 t standard; 601 t normal; 652 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (231.63 ft / 228.35 ft) x 22.15 ft x (9.51 / 10.08 ft)
   (70.60 m / 69.60 m) x 6.75 m  x (2.90 / 3.07 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      Weight of broadside 88 lbs / 40 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.24" / 6 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.24" / 6 mm         -               -

   - Conning towers: Forward 0.98" / 25 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 12,913 shp / 9,633 Kw = 28.00 kts
   Range 2,650nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 115 tons (93% coal)

Complement:
   59 - 78

Cost:
   £0.067 million / $0.270 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 16 tons, 2.7 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0.5 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 2 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 321 tons, 53.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 160 tons, 26.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 85 tons, 14.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 15 tons, 2.5 %
      - Hull void weights: 3 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 10 tons
      - Above deck: 2 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     171 lbs / 78 Kg = 7.7 x 3.5 " / 90 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.30
   Metacentric height 0.8 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 10.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.21
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.81

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.437 / 0.448
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.31 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.11 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 69 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m,  9.35 ft / 2.85 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.56 ft / 2.91 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 180.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 94.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 3,192 Square feet or 297 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 40 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 26 lbs/sq ft or 127 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.60
      - Longitudinal: 2.23
      - Overall: 0.68
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

and the 3rd version of the Knight Class ACR, stripped of the TDS, and the extra beam, but faster.

Knight, Parthian Armored Cruiser laid down 1908

Displacement:
   14,747 t light; 15,584 t standard; 17,333 t normal; 18,733 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (583.99 ft / 577.43 ft) x 68.90 ft x (26.25 / 27.96 ft)
   (178.00 m / 176.00 m) x 21.00 m  x (8.00 / 8.52 m)

Armament:
      8 - 10.04" / 255 mm 50.0 cal guns - 535.72lbs / 243.00kg shells, 135 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 4.72" / 120 mm 45.0 cal guns - 52.91lbs / 24.00kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 4.72" / 120 mm 45.0 cal guns - 52.91lbs / 24.00kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      12 - 2.36" / 60.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 6.61lbs / 3.00kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides forward
      12 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,423 lbs / 2,460 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.68" / 195 mm   340.68 ft / 103.84 m   12.17 ft / 3.71 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   236.71 ft / 72.15 m   12.17 ft / 3.71 m
   Upper:   3.94" / 100 mm   307.87 ft / 93.84 m   6.56 ft / 2.00 m
     Main Belt covers 91 % of normal length

   - Hull Bulges:
      0.00" / 0 mm   345.47 ft / 105.30 m   18.86 ft / 5.75 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.46" / 215 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      7.68" / 195 mm
   2nd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   3rd:   3.94" / 100 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      0.98" / 25 mm
   4th:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - multiple decks: 3.35" / 85 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.68" / 195 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 64,013 shp / 47,754 Kw = 27.00 kts
   Range 8,800nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,148 tons

Complement:
   754 - 981

Cost:
   £1.470 million / $5.878 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,090 tons, 6.3 %
   Armour: 4,586 tons, 26.5 %
      - Belts: 1,917 tons, 11.1 %
      - Armament: 1,032 tons, 6.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,526 tons, 8.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 111 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 3,233 tons, 18.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,245 tons, 30.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,586 tons, 14.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 593 tons, 3.4 %
      - Hull below water: 178 tons
      - Hull void weights: 150 tons
      - Hull above water: 40 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 90 tons
      - Above deck: 135 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     18,315 lbs / 8,308 Kg = 36.2 x 10.0 " / 255 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
   Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 15.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.71
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.09

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.581 / 0.589
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.38 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.03 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   26.00 %,  26.44 ft / 8.06 m,  24.08 ft / 7.34 m
      - Forward deck:   23.00 %,  24.08 ft / 7.34 m,  21.69 ft / 6.61 m
      - Aft deck:   36.00 %,  13.48 ft / 4.11 m,  13.48 ft / 4.11 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  13.48 ft / 4.11 m,  15.12 ft / 4.61 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.77 ft / 5.72 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 123.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 28,584 Square feet or 2,656 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 130 lbs/sq ft or 633 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.39
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Probably more related to the OTL San Giorgio class than the OTL Tennessee class, these feature armor capable of defeating armor cruiser level weapons, and 255mm guns , albeit with dreadnaught style unified main battery.
.
Had I a little more space in my build scheme I might have put forward an 1904 Pisa Class.

Range is 28 days with 10% reserve.
A reliance on all oil fuel allows the range to encompass the entire swahili coast and back.

A 25mm upper deck and 60mm protective deck is fitted.
The main belt covers from +0.5m above the crown of the deck to -1.6m below waterline, protecting against diving shell.s

Misc Weight :
75t-  Additional ventilation
25t -  Long range radio
110t - fire control
178t - torpedo nets
40t - torpedo flat above stern armor deck
150t - miscellaneous weight.

Decks : Engineering spaces 4m high, other decks 2.5m
+6.61m Forecastle deck
+4.11m  Weather Deck, Top of upper belt  (covers B to Y), top 25mm upper armored deck
+2.11m        Top of Main belt, protects slopes of deck from diving shells.
+1.61m  3rd, Armor Deck,  Crown of 60mm protective deck
-0.89m   2nd deck. lower edge of protective deck,  bottom of main belt
-1.60m          bottom of main belt
-3.39m  1st Deck
-7.39m  4m high Engineering Deck

[Kaiser Kirk]

crud, looking at my builds, it's the 1906 750ton Destroyer I should be providing new engines for....
Hmm, maybe I can skip the 750s for more 500s.... and looking at my notes I had 8800 tons left over anyhow.
Still, two of the new ACRs will take 22140 total, so I have to scrounge up 14140 tons somewhere.

Enter ship name, Enter country Destroyer laid down 1908

Displacement:
   750 t light; 785 t standard; 872 t normal; 941 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (308.63 ft / 304.46 ft) x 31.17 ft x (8.04 / 8.48 ft)
   (94.07 m / 92.80 m) x 9.50 m  x (2.45 / 2.58 m)

Armament:
      4 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1908 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 2.36" / 60.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 6.61lbs / 3.00kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 115 lbs / 52 kg

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 13,735 shp / 10,246 Kw = 28.00 kts
   Range 3,600nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 155 tons (20% coal)

Complement:
   79 - 104

Cost:
   £0.095 million / $0.378 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 23 tons, 2.6 %
   Machinery: 445 tons, 51.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 226 tons, 26.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 122 tons, 14.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 56 tons, 6.4 %
      - Hull void weights: 8 tons
      - Hull above water: 16 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons
      - Above deck: 12 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     287 lbs / 130 Kg = 12.9 x 3.5 " / 90 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.50
   Metacentric height 1.7 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 9.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.12
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.09

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.409
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.77 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  15.55 ft / 4.74 m,  12.96 ft / 3.95 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  12.96 ft / 3.95 m,  10.63 ft / 3.24 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  10.63 ft / 3.24 m,  10.63 ft / 3.24 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  10.63 ft / 3.24 m,  11.45 ft / 3.49 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.71 ft / 3.57 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 174.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 148.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 5,523 Square feet or 513 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 57 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 25 lbs/sq ft or 123 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.14
      - Overall: 0.54
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Misc. Weight :
16t:  1 set Torpedo reloads
16t :  8 TT, 1 sets 18" Torpedoes,
4t : extra ventilation
10t : Short range radio
2t : Fire control

[Kaiser Kirk]

So Walter kindly pointed out I was using the wrong tech years, and so I will likely spend 5 pts on tech, not 8.
Which gives me 3 mod points, for either 1 IC, 20 Army/10Dep, or 30BP of naval stuff.

I'm inclined towards the 30BP of naval stuff.
I think I have plenty of naval infastructure.
So 30,000 tons of ships

But there's a catch... I can't just shove that into 1909 and call it good.  They have to be distributed both in tonnage, and hull counts.
7500 is <1894 = 12,500tons
7500 is 1895-1900 = 10,000 tons
7500 is 1901-1907 = 8,333 tons
7500 is 1908-1909 = 7,500 tons


So I'm going to be tinkering with designs to fill those slots. Here is the start.

This is a little scout cruiser I'm eying, good speed for the time, long range, lots of light guns. Based on the German Bremen class.
While this is 1898 (because thats when SS allows oil) I can do  a 1894 version that makes 21.5 knots.  So I could build 3 in the 1894 period, and 2-3 in the 1890s, and they would be fairly useful. I'd refit with late guns, but that shouldn't be an issue.

Displacement:
   3,900 t light; 4,025 t standard; 4,458 t normal; 4,805 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (354.33 ft / 354.33 ft) x 43.64 ft x (18.86 / 20.00 ft)
   (108.00 m / 108.00 m) x 13.30 m  x (5.75 / 6.10 m)

Armament:
      10 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 22.43lbs / 10.18kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 - 1.77" / 45.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 2.66lbs / 1.21kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 251 lbs / 114 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.24" / 6 mm         -               -

   - Box over magazines: 1.18" / 30 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 15,934 ihp / 11,886 Kw = 22.50 kts
   Range 5,110nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 780 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   272 - 354

Cost:
   £0.498 million / $1.992 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 41 tons, 0.9 %
   Armour: 45 tons, 1.0 %
      - Armament: 28 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 18 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 2,493 tons, 55.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,190 tons, 26.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 558 tons, 12.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 130 tons, 2.9 %
      - Hull below water: 40 tons
      - Hull void weights: 40 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1,745 lbs / 791 Kg = 78.4 x 3.5 " / 90 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.73
   Metacentric height 3.5 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 9.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 88 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.07
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.76

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.535 / 0.544
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.12 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.82 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  21.42 ft / 6.53 m,  21.42 ft / 6.53 m
      - Forward deck:   15.00 %,  21.42 ft / 6.53 m,  21.42 ft / 6.53 m
      - Aft deck:   50.00 %,  13.22 ft / 4.03 m,  13.22 ft / 4.03 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  13.22 ft / 4.03 m,  13.22 ft / 4.03 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.09 ft / 4.91 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 184.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 112.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 10,640 Square feet or 988 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 83 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 64 lbs/sq ft or 310 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.43
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Another option is to go slightly larger, 2 of these would use up the 1890s tonnage, and they are based on the Victoria Louise Class. They also make a nice lead in to my 6000 ton protected cruisers of 1902-1906.  Like the Scout Cruisers, I can make an 1894 version at 20.1 knots fairly easily.  That would give me 4 more cruisers in those 2 years.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1898

Displacement:
   5,002 t light; 5,227 t standard; 5,742 t normal; 6,155 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (354.33 ft / 354.33 ft) x 47.24 ft x (21.33 / 22.55 ft)
   (108.00 m / 108.00 m) x 14.40 m  x (6.50 / 6.87 m)

Armament:
      2 - 7.09" / 180 mm 40.0 cal guns - 165.35lbs / 75.00kg shells, 160 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1889 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 4.72" / 120 mm 40.0 cal guns - 50.15lbs / 22.75kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1889 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck centre
      4 - 4.72" / 120 mm 40.0 cal guns - 50.15lbs / 22.75kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1889 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      10 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 21.50lbs / 9.75kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      16 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm 74.0 cal guns - 0.11lbs / 0.05kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1886 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 949 lbs / 430 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1.38" / 35 mm   230.31 ft / 70.20 m   12.01 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   0.98" / 25 mm   123.98 ft / 37.79 m   12.01 ft / 3.66 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Hull Bulges:
      0.00" / 0 mm     0.00 ft / 0.00 m   0.00 ft / 0.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2.56" / 65 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      2.56" / 65 mm
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      1.97" / 50 mm
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.24" / 6 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.24" / 6 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck: 1.57" / 40 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 2.95" / 75 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 14,429 ihp / 10,764 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 5,250nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 928 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   329 - 428

Cost:
   £0.561 million / $2.246 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 196 tons, 3.4 %
   Armour: 691 tons, 12.0 %
      - Belts: 216 tons, 3.8 %
      - Armament: 132 tons, 2.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 323 tons, 5.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 20 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 2,304 tons, 40.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,510 tons, 26.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 741 tons, 12.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 5.2 %
      - Hull below water: 150 tons
      - Hull void weights: 100 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,176 lbs / 1,441 Kg = 17.8 x 7.1 " / 180 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.41
   Metacentric height 3.0 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 11.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 82 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.39
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.64

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.563 / 0.571
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.82 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  21.52 ft / 6.56 m,  21.52 ft / 6.56 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  21.52 ft / 6.56 m,  21.52 ft / 6.56 m
      - Aft deck:   45.00 %,  13.32 ft / 4.06 m,  13.32 ft / 4.06 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  13.32 ft / 4.06 m,  13.32 ft / 4.06 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.60 ft / 5.06 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 144.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 108.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,826 Square feet or 1,099 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 79 lbs/sq ft or 384 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.57
      - Overall: 1.01
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Based on the OTL German Victoria Louise Class.
These should be 1897 ships to take advantage of oil fired coal...but SS3 doesn't like 1897 and oil firing, but is ok with 1898 and oil firing.

As an informal guide, I try to keep protected decks under 100% hull space, and at worst, under 130%.  This vessel is at 144%, which means some things that should be under armor aren't. An example would be Graf Spee's distillery for boiler feed water. A seemingly unimportant system, but when it was shot up, it meant she couldn't run for long.

This one is meant to be a Oregon-style predread, with a heavy 240mm intermediate battery. One of these would fill the 1890s spot as well.

Oregon, Parthia Coast Defense Battleship laid down 1898 (Engine 1898)

Displacement:
   9,825 t light; 10,752 t standard; 11,427 t normal; 11,968 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (367.45 ft / 360.89 ft) x 72.18 ft x (24.61 / 25.58 ft)
   (112.00 m / 110.00 m) x 22.00 m  x (7.50 / 7.80 m)

Armament:
      4 - 13.58" / 345 mm 35.0 cal guns - 1,168.45lbs / 530.00kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1889 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 40.0 cal guns - 394.63lbs / 179.00kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1889 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      12 - 7.09" / 180 mm 40.0 cal guns - 165.35lbs / 75.00kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1889 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in any sea
      14 - 1.77" / 45.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 2.64lbs / 1.20kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1889 Model
     14 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 8,273 lbs / 3,753 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.6" / 320 mm   216.54 ft / 66.00 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   144.32 ft / 43.99 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
   Upper:   8.27" / 210 mm   216.54 ft / 66.00 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Hull Bulges:
      0.00" / 0 mm     0.00 ft / 0.00 m   0.00 ft / 0.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.6" / 320 mm   3.54" / 90 mm      8.27" / 210 mm
   2nd:   8.27" / 210 mm   2.56" / 65 mm      8.27" / 210 mm
   3rd:   8.27" / 210 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.24" / 6 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck: 2.95" / 75 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12.60" / 320 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6,325 ihp / 4,718 Kw = 15.00 kts
   Range 4,455nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,215 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   552 - 718

Cost:
   £1.044 million / $4.176 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,352 tons, 11.8 %
   Armour: 3,969 tons, 34.7 %
      - Belts: 1,902 tons, 16.6 %
      - Armament: 991 tons, 8.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 938 tons, 8.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 138 tons, 1.2 %
   Machinery: 1,010 tons, 8.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,184 tons, 27.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,602 tons, 14.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 310 tons, 2.7 %
      - Hull below water: 135 tons
      - Hull void weights: 100 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,116 lbs / 5,949 Kg = 10.5 x 13.6 " / 345 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.35
   Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 13.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.48
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.37

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.624 / 0.629
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  10.99 ft / 3.35 m,  10.99 ft / 3.35 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  10.99 ft / 3.35 m,  10.99 ft / 3.35 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  10.99 ft / 3.35 m,  10.99 ft / 3.35 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  10.99 ft / 3.35 m,  10.99 ft / 3.35 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.99 ft / 3.35 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 77.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 73.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 19,482 Square feet or 1,810 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 148 lbs/sq ft or 720 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.21
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


+3.35 Weather deck, Top of upper belt, upper 25mm armor deck
+0.85 Third Deck, Top of main belt, crown of protective deck 50mm
-1.65 Second Deck, Bottom of main belt, edge of protective deck
-4.15 1st deck
-7.18 Engineering deck

Misc Wt.
25t- long range radio
51t - 0.5% increased ventilation
30t - 4 torpedo tubes (2 each beam) with 20 torpedoes
105t - torpedo nets
110t - Construction reserve

[Kaiser Kirk]

So I was tinkering with tonnages by era.
I could build 2 of the 1894 version of the 3900t Scout Cruiser.
I could build 2 more of the 1906 version of the 6000t Protected Cruiser, I like that design.
For the 1908 category, a couple fresh submarines will keep hull counts/year up, while not costing much, and still make sense as recent designs to work from.

The 1895-1900 category is lacking in Capital ships, and I had a big gap between the 1894 Armored Cruisers and the 1908 Armored Cruisers. I've stuck in 2 Pisa style Armored cruisers in 1900-1907, this could be a good time to put in 2 Armored Cruisers in the 1895-1900 period. So I've modified the German Prinz Aldabert class.
One the one hand they might seem a tad slow, but the speed matches both the OTL ship and my 1894 ships.

Enter ship name, Enter country Prinz Aladabert Clone laid down 1899

Displacement:
   9,100 t light; 9,631 t standard; 10,716 t normal; 11,584 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (447.83 ft / 447.83 ft) x 63.98 ft x (22.97 / 24.46 ft)
   (136.50 m / 136.50 m) x 19.50 m  x (7.00 / 7.45 m)

Armament:
      4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 40.0 cal guns - 396.83lbs / 180.00kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 6.50" / 165 mm 45.0 cal guns - 138.23lbs / 62.70kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck aft
      8 - 6.50" / 165 mm 45.0 cal guns - 138.23lbs / 62.70kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1899 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in any sea
      12 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 22.43lbs / 10.18kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,515 lbs / 1,595 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.31" / 135 mm   322.44 ft / 98.28 m   9.25 ft / 2.82 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   125.36 ft / 38.21 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
   Upper:   3.94" / 100 mm   196.85 ft / 60.00 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
     Main Belt covers 111 % of normal length

   - Hull Bulges:
      0.00" / 0 mm     0.00 ft / 0.00 m   0.00 ft / 0.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6.50" / 165 mm   2.56" / 65 mm      5.31" / 135 mm
   2nd:   5.31" / 135 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      3.94" / 100 mm
   3rd:   3.94" / 100 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      0.98" / 25 mm
   4th:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck: 2.36" / 60 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5.31" / 135 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 17,954 ihp / 13,394 Kw = 20.50 kts
   Range 7,720nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,953 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   526 - 684

Cost:
   £0.965 million / $3.862 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 793 tons, 7.4 %
   Armour: 2,443 tons, 22.8 %
      - Belts: 1,117 tons, 10.4 %
      - Armament: 454 tons, 4.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 817 tons, 7.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 56 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 2,822 tons, 26.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,687 tons, 25.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,616 tons, 15.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 355 tons, 3.3 %
      - Hull below water: 177 tons
      - Hull void weights: 29 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 45 tons
      - Above deck: 104 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9,177 lbs / 4,163 Kg = 21.8 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.40
   Metacentric height 4.6 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 12.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.38
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.51

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.570 / 0.579
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.16 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  23.29 ft / 7.10 m,  21.52 ft / 6.56 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  21.52 ft / 6.56 m,  19.75 ft / 6.02 m
      - Aft deck:   52.00 %,  11.55 ft / 3.52 m,  11.55 ft / 3.52 m
      - Quarter deck:   13.00 %,  11.55 ft / 3.52 m,  11.55 ft / 3.52 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.97 ft / 4.56 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 110.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 103.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 20,374 Square feet or 1,893 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 105 lbs/sq ft or 514 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.57
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

This is meant to be a modified version of SMS Prinz Aldabert, and a follow on to the Bucephalus class of Armored Cruisers.
Like the Regina Elena class, the forecastle is a tumblehome design to allow the waist turrets to bear forward.
To model this, the forecastle is raised, but a long aft deck is fitted. The secondary and tertiary are assigned the aft deck at the appropriate heights.

Main guns are 240L45, firing a 180kg shell. With a 1895 tech of 1700 ME, adjusted for the bore cross section of a 240 vs. 255mm gun, that is 1503 ME, which yeields a Muzzle Velocity of 839m/s.  That allows penetration of  308mm of armor at 2000m, and 274mm at 3000m, making the vessel a possible threat to period battleships.  By 6000m, penetration falls to 207mm. It is thought that the combo of a 135mm belt and 40mm sloped deck should make the ship resistant to such long range shots.

The intermediate guns are the largest allowed QF weapons, a 165mm L45 firing a 63kg shell at 825m/s. This gun can penetrate 129mm at 3000m, and 87mm at 6000m.  As a result, the main belt is 135mm at it's thickest, but is also backed by the slope of the 40mm protective deck.

The 90mm are anti-torpedo boat weapons.

The protective deck is 40mm over the citadel and 25mm over the ends. An additional 20mm deck is fitted over the casement level.

Decks :
+6.02 : Forecastle deck
+3.52 : Weather deck, 20mm over casements
           +1.22 Top of main belt.guards against diving shells against slope of protective deck.
+1.02 : Gun deck, crown of 40mm protective deck, top of 25mm decks and end belts
-1.48 : 3rd deck, Bottom of protective deck
          -1.60 bottom main belt
-3.98 : 2nd Deck
-6.5   : Engineering Deck

Misc. weight :
40 : 20 x 18" torpedoes : Torpedo flat wth 4 tubes- 2 tubes each beam- in stern, 1 tube in bow, 4 torpedoes each.
137 : Torpedo Nets
45t : Additional ventilation
25t ; Long range radio
79t : 1905 Fire Control, Refitted 1907
39t : Construction reserve

[Kaiser Kirk]

I think I posted this, but it wasn't saved in my 1895-1900 folder, so I'm not positive. I've filled out the misc weight.

1899 Scout Cruiser, Parthian Scout Cruiser laid down 1899

Displacement:
   2,996 t light; 3,122 t standard; 3,882 t normal; 4,489 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393.47 ft / 387.14 ft) x 41.01 ft x (15.09 / 16.98 ft)
   (119.93 m / 118.00 m) x 12.50 m  x (4.60 / 5.18 m)

Armament:
      8 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     6 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      4 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 1.77" / 45.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 2.87lbs / 1.30kg shells, 350 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 288 lbs / 130 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.24" / 6 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.24" / 6 mm         -               -

   - Box over magazines: 0.98" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 10,463 ihp / 7,805 Kw = 20.85 kts
   Range 6,653nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,367 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   245 - 319

Cost:
   £0.350 million / $1.398 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 54 tons, 1.4 %
   Armour: 24 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armament: 9 tons, 0.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 15 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 1,644 tons, 42.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,152 tons, 29.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 886 tons, 22.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 121 tons, 3.1 %
      - Hull below water: 40 tons
      - Hull void weights: 35 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 15 tons
      - Above deck: 31 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2,708 lbs / 1,228 Kg = 121.7 x 3.5 " / 90 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.53
   Metacentric height 2.7 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 10.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.13
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.567 / 0.583
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.44 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.68 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  23.62 ft / 7.20 m,  21.65 ft / 6.60 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  21.65 ft / 6.60 m,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.43 ft / 5.01 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 142.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 137.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,258 Square feet or 1,046 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 59 lbs/sq ft or 286 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.09
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather


Miscellaneous Weight :
40t : Torpedo flats, 20x 18" Torpedo,  2 tubes bow w/ 6 torp, 1 flat amidships with 2 tubes each beam w/14 torps
15t : "Windcatcher" evaporative cooling.
6t : 1907 Fire control, refitted
25t : Long range wireless, refitted

[Kaiser Kirk]

Ironically, I noted that Jefgte had a Gun type mismatched with a tech level, and then I was tinkering with my 1894 coastal battle ship to specify the refits I already paid for and...
hmm 300L40 isn't allowed for 1894... heh.

So here's the vessel modified to have 305L35s.. with the refits in
Gatekeeper, Pathian Coast Defense Battleship laid down 1894

Displacement:
   6,747 t light; 7,162 t standard; 7,531 t normal; 7,826 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (321.52 ft / 314.96 ft) x 78.74 ft x (18.04 / 18.62 ft)
   (98.00 m / 96.00 m) x 24.00 m  x (5.50 / 5.68 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 804.69lbs / 365.00kg shells, 95 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1894 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 6.50" / 165 mm 40.0 cal guns - 131.36lbs / 59.59kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1894 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      10 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      8 - 2.36" / 60.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 6.98lbs / 3.16kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4,588 lbs / 2,081 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.45" / 240 mm   204.72 ft / 62.40 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   110.20 ft / 33.59 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   204.72 ft / 62.40 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Hull Bulges:
      0.00" / 0 mm     0.00 ft / 0.00 m   0.00 ft / 0.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.84" / 250 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      9.45" / 240 mm
   2nd:   5.91" / 150 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck: 1.57" / 40 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 0.79" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 0.79" / 20 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 0.98" / 25 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4,045 ihp / 3,017 Kw = 14.00 kts
   Range 4,450nm at 8.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 665 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   403 - 525

Cost:
   £0.636 million / $2.544 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 737 tons, 9.8 %
   Armour: 2,468 tons, 32.8 %
      - Belts: 1,358 tons, 18.0 %
      - Armament: 623 tons, 8.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 478 tons, 6.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 8 tons, 0.1 %
   Machinery: 756 tons, 10.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,565 tons, 34.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 784 tons, 10.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 221 tons, 2.9 %
      - Hull below water: 96 tons
      - Hull void weights: 4 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 35 tons
      - Above deck: 86 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,598 lbs / 5,714 Kg = 14.6 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.67
   Metacentric height 8.1 ft / 2.5 m
   Roll period: 11.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 81 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.23
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.61

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.589 / 0.593
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.75 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  12.30 ft / 3.75 m,  12.30 ft / 3.75 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  12.30 ft / 3.75 m,  12.30 ft / 3.75 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  12.30 ft / 3.75 m,  12.30 ft / 3.75 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  12.30 ft / 3.75 m,  12.30 ft / 3.75 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.30 ft / 3.75 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 70.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 104.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 17,953 Square feet or 1,668 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 132 lbs/sq ft or 646 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.48
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather


Decks

+3.75 Top of upper belt.
+1.25 Top of main belt, crown of protective deck
-1.25  Bottom of main belt, bottom edge of protective deck
-5.14  Engineering deck

Misc. Weight :
96t  Torpedo Nets
10t  Short Range Radio
35t  "Windcatcher" evaporative cooling
80t 1905 Fire Control


Refitted 1904, 1907
1904 : 18tons
+10t, Short range radio, -10t Construction Reserve
-3t 16x40L45
+5t 16x60L50, +18t ammo lockers,  -23t Contstruction reserve

1907 : 80t
-4t  -8 60L50, -13t Ammo lockers, +17t construction Reserve
+76t 1905 Fire Control, -76t Construction Reserve

[Kaiser Kirk]

I'm working to get my Refits accounted for. I have "paid" for them on my spreadsheet, but I some cases I don't exactly recall what I paid for.... anyhow I'm going through my build spreadsheet, and discovering little errors and discrepancies. The biggest have been that I paid for 4 of the 1894 Coastal BBs, and 4 of the 1899 Minelayers, not 2 each.

In the process I found the Pisa type ACR was paid for in one year, but the laydown date was earlier, and when I adjusted things, the vessel changes.
I posted this earlier, but now that I know my dock lengths, seemed prudent to fiddle with it a bit.

Mithrandes, Parthian Pisa/SanGiorgio ACR laid down 1905

Displacement:
   12,296 t light; 12,936 t standard; 13,924 t normal; 14,713 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (492.13 ft / 485.56 ft) x 68.90 ft x (24.61 / 25.74 ft)
   (150.00 m / 148.00 m) x 21.00 m  x (7.50 / 7.85 m)

Armament:
      4 - 10.04" / 255 mm 50.0 cal guns - 535.72lbs / 243.00kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 7.09" / 180 mm 45.0 cal guns - 176.37lbs / 80.00kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      12 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 350 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1899 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 2.36" / 60.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 7.05lbs / 3.20kg shells, 350 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,875 lbs / 1,758 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.09" / 180 mm   315.62 ft / 96.20 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   3.54" / 90 mm   169.91 ft / 51.79 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Upper:   3.54" / 90 mm   315.62 ft / 96.20 m   14.76 ft / 4.50 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Hull Bulges:
      0.00" / 0 mm     0.00 ft / 0.00 m   0.00 ft / 0.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.48" / 190 mm   3.54" / 90 mm      7.09" / 180 mm
   2nd:   6.50" / 165 mm   3.54" / 90 mm      5.31" / 135 mm
   3rd:   3.94" / 100 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      0.98" / 25 mm
   4th:   0.24" / 6 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - multiple decks: 2.56" / 65 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.09" / 180 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 33,822 shp / 25,231 Kw = 23.25 kts
   Range 5,200nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,777 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   640 - 833

Cost:
   £1.195 million / $4.780 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 828 tons, 5.9 %
   Armour: 3,974 tons, 28.5 %
      - Belts: 1,874 tons, 13.5 %
      - Armament: 959 tons, 6.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,052 tons, 7.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 88 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 2,791 tons, 20.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,331 tons, 31.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,628 tons, 11.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 372 tons, 2.7 %
      - Hull below water: 172 tons
      - Hull void weights: 30 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 62 tons
      - Above deck: 108 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16,903 lbs / 7,667 Kg = 33.4 x 10.0 " / 255 mm shells or 1.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
   Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 15.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 79 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.70
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.57

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.592 / 0.598
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.05 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.04 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -12.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  26.41 ft / 8.05 m,  26.41 ft / 8.05 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  26.41 ft / 8.05 m,  26.41 ft / 8.05 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  18.21 ft / 5.55 m,  18.21 ft / 5.55 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  18.21 ft / 5.55 m,  19.85 ft / 6.05 m
      - Average freeboard:      22.43 ft / 6.84 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 159.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,285 Square feet or 2,256 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 123 lbs/sq ft or 598 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.23
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather


5.55  4th Deck, top of upper belt, 25mm armor deck .
3.05  3rd Deck
1.05   Top of Main Belt, bottom uppe belt
0.55    2nd Deck, Crown of 40mm Protective Deck
-1.95  1st deck, bottom of Protective deck,bottom of Main belt.
-6.95  Engineering Deck (2 decks height)

Miscellaneous Weight :
148t : Torpedo Nets
24t :  12x 18" torpedoes, 2 tubes each broadside, torpedo flat above stern armordeck.
62t : "Windcatcher" improved Ventilation
25t : Long Range Radio
83t : 1905 Fire Control
30t : Construction Reserve


1907 refit : 83t
83t : 1905 Fire control

[Kaiser Kirk]

One of the "issues" the Parthians have is the sheer distance to one of the other major powers.

For local concerns, the fleet ranges are based on 21-28 days cruising with a reserve and that allows coverage of the Indian Ocean.
Should the ancient conflict rise again, Suez is only 2600nm away from Hormuz, and Aden 1000nm closer - so the Battle fleet can address any Byzantine fleet in the Red Sea.

BUT...it's about 10,000nm from Suez to Gibralter

However if Parthia wants to be a consideration in World Politics, or more attractive a factor in seeking allies beyond Byzantine, she needs to be able to have some impact.

So I have a number of forces keyed for long distance power projection and commerce raiding.
Squadrons based on stores ships operate along the Swahili coast, among the Javanese islands, and support distant ocean operations by my sailing frigates and armored cruisers- both of which are aging. However the result is that I'm reasonably well situated for commerce raiding.

So design options.
1. Build more sailing frigates - actually very tempting. I may do it.
2. Build long range specialty squadrons for raiding - I'd like to, but it's too many resources
3. Try to build a very long range cruiser for raiding.
So this is #3.

But #3 has some options to it.
A)  All Oil Fired - or Coal/Oil ?   At this point in time, most merchants would be coal fired, so most commercial ports would have coal. The difference for me is about 1500nm of range, but I think the 25% coal makes sense.

For Range, I long ago tried to do some quick sims of USN vessels, and came up with ~19% as the most fuel carried. I figured there may be some structural or stability reason for that point. So I use a self-rule of 20% limit for fuel, which makes the max range 11000 if all oil. 

B) 29 knots as shown...or 27 knots.  The difference is below decks space "cramped or "adequate". I would think that for a ship at sea for months, habitability might be a bigger issue, and lowering crew fatigue, making areas more accessible for maintenance/damage control -may be wise.  Further while the newest vessels and future vessels make the 29knots desirable, the fact is that for a decade or so there will be very very few ships capable of catching 27 knots and fewer that a nation will want to send half a world away.

C) A side effect of lowering to 27 knots to get "adequate" would be a massive increase in comp hull, and engine space falls under the 130% max for protective decks walter and I came up with.
Overall about 500tons of difference is there
   C1 ) revised freeboard and 1.5 seakeeping, with 30mm protective deck.
   C2 ) same freeboard, fairly comprehensive armor
   C3 ) mix of above plus more brig/marines/mines or something, perhaps even electric drive, which would give more range.

D) Right now, the weaponry is minimal (3x 165mm any bearing) and intended to allow Q ships to be smashed up, or opposing protected cruisers to be threatened. The torpedoes are meant mainly for the sinking of merchants, not battle, though they could be a hidden surprise.

So.... comments/ ideas -

Revanche, Parthian Raider laid down 1911

Displacement:
   3,437 t light; 3,612 t standard; 4,420 t normal; 5,066 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (377.30 ft / 377.30 ft) x 42.65 ft x (16.40 / 18.35 ft)
   (115.00 m / 115.00 m) x 13.00 m  x (5.00 / 5.59 m)

Armament:
      4 - 6.50" / 165 mm 45.0 cal guns - 138.89lbs / 63.00kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 24.25lbs / 11.00kg shells, 350 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck centre
      Weight of broadside 604 lbs / 274 kg

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 44,565 shp / 33,246 Kw = 29.00 kts
   Range 11,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,453 tons

Complement:
   270 - 352

Cost:
   £0.402 million / $1.609 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 102 tons, 2.3 %
   Machinery: 1,809 tons, 40.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,239 tons, 28.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 982 tons, 22.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 288 tons, 6.5 %
      - Hull below water: 200 tons
      - Hull void weights: 35 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 18 tons
      - Above deck: 35 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2,671 lbs / 1,211 Kg = 19.5 x 6.5 " / 165 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.43
   Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 11.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.22
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.586 / 0.600
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.85 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.42 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 67 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  21.82 ft / 6.65 m,  19.78 ft / 6.03 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  19.78 ft / 6.03 m,  17.75 ft / 5.41 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  17.75 ft / 5.41 m,  17.75 ft / 5.41 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  17.75 ft / 5.41 m,  17.75 ft / 5.41 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.62 ft / 5.68 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 144.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 149.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,616 Square feet or 1,079 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 59 lbs/sq ft or 286 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.78
      - Longitudinal: 2.94
      - Overall: 0.90
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Stores : 108t

Misc Weight :
108t - 1 month additional stores
30t - Brig
30t - Marine Detachment
32tt -  x 16" torpedoes underwater, 2 bow tubes w/6, Amidships flat with 10, 2 tubes each beam.
18t - "Windcatcher" evaporative cooling
25t - Long range radio
10t - long range fire control

[snip]

I cant say Im a fan of the armorless design. Without any protection, a protracted fight with a Q-Ship is going to turn ugly fast. I also think you are going to need to keep 29knts as there are enough cruisers that are breaking 27 right now to where I can imagine the window for a 27knt ship succeeding due to the limited opposition is small. You have the Roman Lauri and Marathona (tho admittedly 165mm guns would just wreck her) as well as the Norse Hår and Town. We don't have Iberian ships yet, but I would imagine that the Iberian Navy will possess something in the 29knt+ area. I don't see the successor classes to those ships being slower, and I can speak to the Roman plans a little more in terms of replacing the older ships with faster turbine cruisers sooner rather than later. I'm almost wondering if something akin to the old N3 CSA Wheeler might be a good bet here. Rather than try and outrun cruisers, force commitment of a Battlecruiser to outmatch. Those would be far rarer and more difficult, at least for Rome, to detach from the main battlefleet. A combination of an Armored Cruiser and some Q-Ships/old cruisers/sailing ships/other raiders could be interesting to base out of an Atlantic colony.