1900H2 BP

[Darman]

And now Russia has a large 16k ton 21 knot armored cruiser planned to be laid down in 1902.  My Tsukuba-class might be built after all....

[snip]

*lesigh* Incomparables for days. They make the London's a dubious investment. I hate just how cheep he can make them with Tumblehomes

[snip]

I will just drop this here...

Incomparable, United Kingdom Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   20,000 t light; 21,036 t standard; 22,652 t normal; 23,945 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (530.00 ft / 520.00 ft) x 82.00 ft x (28.00 / 29.37 ft)
   (161.54 m / 158.50 m) x 24.99 m  x (8.53 / 8.95 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 850.00lbs / 385.55kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      8 - 9.20" / 234 mm 45.0 cal guns - 380.00lbs / 172.37kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck centre
     2 x Twin mounts on sides, aft deck centre
      10 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 175 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.50lbs / 5.67kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
     4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      14 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.00lbs / 1.36kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     14 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      14 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 7,682 lbs / 3,484 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   338.00 ft / 103.02 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Ends:   7.00" / 178 mm   181.98 ft / 55.47 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Upper:   8.00" / 203 mm   338.00 ft / 103.02 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   8.00" / 203 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   9.00" / 229 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      5.00" / 127 mm
   3rd:   8.00" / 203 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      4.00" / 102 mm
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 4.00" / 102 mm
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.00" / 330 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 18,000 ihp / 13,428 Kw = 18.20 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,910 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   923 - 1,200

Cost:
   £1.728 million / $6.910 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,430 tons, 6.3 %
      - Guns: 1,430 tons, 6.3 %
   Armour: 8,933 tons, 39.4 %
      - Belts: 4,687 tons, 20.7 %
      - Armament: 1,786 tons, 7.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,237 tons, 9.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 224 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 2,813 tons, 12.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,275 tons, 27.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,652 tons, 11.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 550 tons, 2.4 %
      - Hull below water: 50 tons
      - Hull above water: 100 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 375 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     33,038 lbs / 14,986 Kg = 38.2 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 3.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
   Metacentric height 5.4 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 14.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.56
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.80

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.664 / 0.669
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.34 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.80 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 40
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -5.00 ft / -1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  28.00 ft / 8.53 m,  28.00 ft / 8.53 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Average freeboard:      20.80 ft / 6.34 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 67.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 129.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 33,096 Square feet or 3,075 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 144 lbs/sq ft or 705 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.84
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Note: Forward 12" turret is elevated to fire over the forcastle.
Note: 9.2" Turrets are arranged in two en-eclon pairs fore and aft.
Note: 3" guns are located on turret roofs aside from two mounts on centerline superstructure.

What do you think?

[Darman]

we can have twin QF deck mounts?

[Tanthalas]

what he is doing is why buldges were ilegal in N3... his ships dont look nearly as good if you lop off the buldges (actualy most of them are on the verge of capsizing) I know what happend to them OTL and using the Sea Kreig/JJ rules I have shot a few of them up... so I know what happens to them in combat in the Nverse to (9 11" 666 pound snells capsize his most recent ones)

*lesigh* Incomparables for days. They make the London's a dubious investment. I hate just how cheep he can make them with Tumblehomes

[Tanthalas]

Twin Deck mounts without hoist yes Darman, as to the I's snip why not go with somthing more like this.  Granted its heavier than my BBs and slower, but it mounts a ton more armor and arguabley a better broadside.

Incomparable (Cuniberti), Italia Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   16,500 t light; 17,390 t standard; 18,545 t normal; 19,469 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (555.00 ft / 555.00 ft) x 74.00 ft x (28.00 / 29.11 ft)
   (169.16 m / 169.16 m) x 22.56 m  x (8.53 / 8.87 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 850.00lbs / 385.55kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 9.20" / 234 mm 45.0 cal guns - 380.00lbs / 172.37kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      12 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.01lbs / 5.90kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      Weight of broadside 7,596 lbs / 3,446 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   333.00 ft / 101.50 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   222.00 ft / 67.67 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
   Upper:   7.00" / 178 mm   333.00 ft / 101.50 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   9.00" / 229 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   3rd:   1.50" / 38 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   4th:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm  Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.00" / 279 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 18,000 ihp / 13,428 Kw = 19.07 kts
   Range 5,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,079 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   793 - 1,032

Cost:
   £1.600 million / $6.399 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,591 tons, 8.6 %
      - Guns: 1,591 tons, 8.6 %
   Armour: 6,757 tons, 36.4 %
      - Belts: 3,811 tons, 20.6 %
      - Armament: 1,343 tons, 7.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,437 tons, 7.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 166 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 2,813 tons, 15.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,287 tons, 28.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,046 tons, 11.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 51 tons, 0.3 %
      - On freeboard deck: 51 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     21,206 lbs / 9,619 Kg = 24.5 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 15.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.75
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.47

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.564 / 0.570
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 37 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.60 ft / 5.36 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 118.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 29,028 Square feet or 2,697 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 140 lbs/sq ft or 683 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.55
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Tanthalas]

Worked my proposal over a bit, so I thought I better repost.  Honestly this ship could go toe to toe with the big russian proposals, and it saves you like 3.5 BP a copy.

Incomparable (Cuniberti), Italia Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   16,500 t light; 17,401 t standard; 18,860 t normal; 20,027 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (555.00 ft / 555.00 ft) x 74.00 ft x (28.00 / 29.39 ft)
   (169.16 m / 169.16 m) x 22.56 m  x (8.53 / 8.96 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 849.99lbs / 385.55kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 9.20" / 234 mm 45.0 cal guns - 380.01lbs / 172.37kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      12 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.01lbs / 5.90kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.00lbs / 5.90kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 7,648 lbs / 3,469 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   333.00 ft / 101.50 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   222.00 ft / 67.67 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
   Upper:   7.00" / 178 mm   333.00 ft / 101.50 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   9.00" / 229 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   3rd:   7.00" / 178 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   5th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm  Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.00" / 279 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 16,000 ihp / 11,936 Kw = 18.40 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,626 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   804 - 1,046

Cost:
   £1.559 million / $6.235 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,600 tons, 8.5 %
      - Guns: 1,600 tons, 8.5 %
   Armour: 7,008 tons, 37.2 %
      - Belts: 3,814 tons, 20.2 %
      - Armament: 1,575 tons, 8.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,451 tons, 7.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 168 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 2,500 tons, 13.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,330 tons, 28.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,360 tons, 12.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 61 tons, 0.3 %
      - On freeboard deck: 61 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     23,332 lbs / 10,583 Kg = 27.0 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 15.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.74
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.47

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.574 / 0.581
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 36 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.60 ft / 5.36 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 74.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 118.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 29,316 Square feet or 2,724 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 140 lbs/sq ft or 684 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.54
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily