1900H2 BP

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Well, Im going to have a surplus. Probly going to end up invetsing in more long slipways unless any of my allies have a need for it. So?

[Darman]

I might be interested in buying some guns off you to alleviate my own shortage of BP.  When I get home from work let me figure it out.  Oh, and where were we on a deal for a Black Prince-type AC for Japan?  We hadn't finalised a timeline or financing I know that. 

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4.84BP up for grabs. More if you can talk me into canceling Incomparable and Unsurpassable. About 24 hours or so before I post for other offers publicly.

Darman, I really dont have any AC-sized slips avalible until H1/01. Then I get *gasp* ten ships out of my long ways.

[Tanthalas]

I have one but not the BP to use it.

4.84BP up for grabs. More if you can talk me into canceling Incomparable and Unsurpassable. About 24 hours or so before I post for other offers publicly.

Darman, I really dont have any AC-sized slips avalible until H1/01. Then I get *gasp* ten ships out of my long ways.

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what is that I smell, a deal in the making prehaps. O, nevermind, its just my mac trying to overheat :P

[Darman]

Japan has plenty of smaller slipways open and is building approximately 10 Taku Maru-class cargo ships.  Each ship carries 1/3 of a brigade.  So 15 vessels would carry 1 division or 1/2 a corps.  I also have 3 armored cruisers leaving slipways in July, said slipways will be open starting in August.  The 3 ships are only 40% complete but will be completed, worked up, and ready for operations in summer 1901. 

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so does Japan want to have Armstrong build them a super-AC as has been previously discussed.

[Darman]

There is no need for a super-AC yet.  Once the Dreadnaught revolution occurs perhaps then yes.  But a few more armored cruisers wouldn't be amiss.  Say 2 with an option for a third laid down in HY1 1901? 

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I will have to check slipways, but my BP is only capable of handling 1 with what I am building. It might be better to wait, or try and talk the Ottomans into selling there's to you if you feel you need the ships.

[Darman]

I might try that.  What are the specs again? 

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*digs into PMs* I...I cant seem to find it. Its a modified Cressy, I know that.

[Darman]

I wouldnt have asked if i hadn't already tried as well.  I did find.... a Vickers export model 001 i think?  now i gotta go dig that up again... but i thought that that was a design being tossed around for Japan, not the Ottomans..

[Darman]

Furaingusōdo, Armstrong Heavy Armored Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   15,000 t light; 15,690 t standard; 17,038 t normal; 18,117 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (500.00 ft / 500.00 ft) x 75.00 ft x (27.00 / 28.39 ft)
   (152.40 m / 152.40 m) x 22.86 m  x (8.23 / 8.65 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 870.00lbs / 394.63kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
      10 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      10 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 52.35lbs / 23.75kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 5,004 lbs / 2,270 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   400.00 ft / 121.92 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
     Main Belt covers 123 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      4.00" / 102 mm
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm   0.25" / 6 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 6.00" / 152 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 34,000 ihp / 25,364 Kw = 22.59 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,427 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   745 - 969

Cost:
   £1.612 million / $6.448 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 752 tons, 4.4 %
      - Guns: 752 tons, 4.4 %
   Armour: 3,985 tons, 23.4 %
      - Belts: 1,870 tons, 11.0 %
      - Armament: 601 tons, 3.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,429 tons, 8.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 86 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 5,313 tons, 31.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,725 tons, 27.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,038 tons, 12.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 225 tons, 1.3 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - Hull above water: 100 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,649 lbs / 6,191 Kg = 15.8 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.50
   Metacentric height 6.5 ft / 2.0 m
   Roll period: 12.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.37
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.70

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.589 / 0.596
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.67 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.36 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 41
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   10.00 %,  27.00 ft / 8.23 m,  27.00 ft / 8.23 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  27.00 ft / 8.23 m,  27.00 ft / 8.23 m
      - Aft deck:   60.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Average freeboard:      20.70 ft / 6.31 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 120.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 140.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,143 Square feet or 2,522 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 122 lbs/sq ft or 597 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.11
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Darman]

Ariadne-class? 

Design O-1900-A, Vickers Export First Class Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   11,313 t light; 11,746 t standard; 12,551 t normal; 13,195 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (440.00 ft / 440.00 ft) x 69.50 ft x (26.00 / 27.05 ft)
   (134.11 m / 134.11 m) x 21.18 m  x (7.92 / 8.25 m)

Armament:
      2 - 9.20" / 234 mm 40.0 cal guns - 380.00lbs / 172.37kg shells, 125 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      12 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 40.0 cal guns - 12.50lbs / 5.67kg shells, 350 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 2,110 lbs / 957 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   294.80 ft / 89.86 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   145.18 ft / 44.25 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   294.80 ft / 89.86 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
     Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      5.00" / 127 mm
   2nd:   5.00" / 127 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      53.0" / 1,346 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.00" / 229 mm, Aft 4.00" / 102 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,500 ihp / 16,785 Kw = 21.14 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,450 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   592 - 770

Cost:
   £1.009 million / $4.037 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 375 tons, 3.0 %
      - Guns: 375 tons, 3.0 %
   Armour: 3,984 tons, 31.7 %
      - Belts: 2,235 tons, 17.8 %
      - Armament: 470 tons, 3.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,128 tons, 9.0 %
      - Conning Towers: 151 tons, 1.2 %
   Machinery: 3,516 tons, 28.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,212 tons, 25.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,238 tons, 9.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 225 tons, 1.8 %
      - Hull above water: 50 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 175 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14,742 lbs / 6,687 Kg = 37.9 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.38
   Metacentric height 5.1 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 13.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 95 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.24
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.90

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.553 / 0.558
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.33 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.98 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forward deck:   50.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Aft deck:   17.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:      21.12 ft / 6.44 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 149.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 21,392 Square feet or 1,987 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 101 lbs/sq ft or 493 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.43
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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The second has two units building for the Ottomans. The first is the aformentioned Super-AC