Unified Coalition Destroyer (what im borde here)

[Tanthalas]

Rules, has to be seaworthy (no 0 freeboard logi boats), Must hit 30 knots Trial speed, must mount atleast 4 guns, 4 torps, a Wireless set (short range acceptable), and be buildable in a Type 0 slip or dock.

[Tanthalas]

Ill get the party started with the Italian Proposal

Coalition Unified Destroyer, Italia Proposal Destroyer laid down 1900

Displacement:
   500 t light; 516 t standard; 567 t normal; 608 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (230.00 ft / 230.00 ft) x 23.50 ft x (9.25 / 9.68 ft)
   (70.10 m / 70.10 m) x 7.16 m  x (2.82 / 2.95 m)

Armament:
      4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      Weight of broadside 54 lbs / 25 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.0" / 432 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.403 t each, 1.613 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10,406 ihp / 7,763 Kw = 27.00 kts   *Trial Speed: 30 kts*
   Range 2,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 92 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   57 - 75

Cost:
   £0.069 million / $0.275 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 11 tons, 2.0 %
      - Guns: 9 tons, 1.6 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 347 tons, 61.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 136 tons, 23.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 67 tons, 11.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 7 tons, 1.2 %
      - On freeboard deck: 7 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     118 lbs / 54 Kg = 8.8 x 3.0 " / 76 mm shells or 0.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.38
   Metacentric height 1.0 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 9.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.13
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.04

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.397 / 0.407
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.79 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.17 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 66 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 72
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Forward deck:   13.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Aft deck:   52.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.98 ft / 3.04 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 201.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 3,320 Square feet or 308 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 17 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 21 lbs/sq ft or 104 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.93
      - Overall: 0.57
   Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[snip]

My thoughts are this, seeing as we have different armaments what we really need is a standard hull with a set speed and range. As long as we can customise the armaments (ie, I use 18" torps and differing shell weights for my 3" guns), I think it works fine.

[Tanthalas]

the shells on this are actualy over weight for me (my 3" is a 13 pound shell) but yeah I agree, perhaps we need to Unify the Torps as well (I use the 17" because I had solid numbers on the 17" whitehead)

My thoughts are this, seeing as we have different armaments what we really need is a standard hull with a set speed and range. As long as we can customise the armaments (ie, I use 18" torps and differing shell weights for my 3" guns), I think it works fine.

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I use 18" because historical, and 12.5lb shells for my 3" guns

[Darman]

Can we agree on a standard speed to be used during coalition fleet maneuvers? Preferably one knot below the fastest speed of the slowest nation's battleline (probably mine at 18)

[Tanthalas]

* listens to his BB and AC commanders complain about the slowness of our allies*

Seriously can you imagine the RE commanders reaction to going 17 knots LOL, hell they could proly do it on 2/3 power (as in with 1/3 of the boilers offline)

Can we agree on a standard speed to be used during coalition fleet maneuvers? Preferably one knot below the fastest speed of the slowest nation's battleline (probably mine at 18)

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I have 16knt capital ships in the Med. They will get moved to the Far East soon

[Darman]

I have 16knt capital ships in the Med. They will get moved to the Far East soon

The IJN skippers will play the RE skippers in poker... stakes are who has to deal with the RN 16 knot BBs....

[snip]

Japan will get them due to proximity  :P