Discussion of New Switzerland

[Desertfox]

Umm... What does that have to do with China again?

[Walter]

What does Dutch waters have to do with anything? Last I checked NS to China does not go through the DEI...

Quite right. It goes through Japan. The fact that I am Dutch does not make the Japanese waters Dutch. :)

[ctwaterman]

Seems to me NS Grain shipments from Australia would go through one of the straits controlled by the NS up towards the PI and then to China anything from the New Swiss home Islands to the PI or through Japanese controlled waters.

Charles

[damocles]

Japan has no coal or oil near you. Neither do the Philippines. Checked your tech tree and cruising radii.

No coal, no oil, no explosive packed ships to send to Dalian as 'merchants'.

Oh yes, the MVB is investigating.... :-X    

[Sachmle]

One cannot ban the merchant vessels and warships of another nation from operating in International Waters. So, unless the Dutch are claiming ALL Ocean and Seas inside the area known as the NOI are Dutch (which even in those tight waters there is more than 6nm between landmasses in a lot of places) then saying that the Swiss are banned from the NOI is ludicrous.

[damocles]

One cannot ban the merchant vessels and warships of another nation from operating in International Waters. So, unless the Dutch are claiming ALL Ocean and Seas inside the area known as the NOI are Dutch (which even in those tight waters there is more than 6nm between landmasses in a lot of places) then saying that the Swiss are banned from the NOI is ludicrous.

That is not the correct interpretation of the 1919 Naval Law. "No refuel, no resupply, no navigational assistance, no food, no water, no assistance in any form whatsoever is to be extended to New Swiss aircraft or ships or personnel;. Any NS  ships, aircraft, or personnel  caught in Dutch air, land, and sea-space are assumed HOSTILE with only warlike intent. They will be seized. Any New Swiss that approaches a Dutch vessel or aircraft is assumed HOSTILE and is challenged and ordered to stand clear."

That is what the Naval Law actually says as regards the New Swiss       

[Sachmle]

OH...I must have missed this Naval Law. Is it posted somewhere?

[Desertfox]

I still have no idea what this has to do with China or my news...  ???

[ctwaterman]

Hmmmm are you not selling Coal and Oil to other nations because they might resell it to the New Swiss....   And since we are obviously in a fantasy world and New Switzerland has an industrial economy they obviously have access to coal.

The Japanese have the huge coal fields of Manchuria!

Charles

[TexanCowboy]

New Swiss ships are barred from Dutch and NOI patrolled waters under the 1919 Naval Law and are considered pirates. They KNOW this.

NvR.  

That's grounds for war for almost every civilized power. If the Dutch do it to the NS, what's to stop them from doing it to Gran Columbia. It's one thing if it was related to the war, but quite another if it's a law....seems like it's time to liberate some colonies....

Masirah.

And so you block all Swiss trade for eternity, because of a one month, for the Dutch, war? That's just stupid....and sets a dangerous precedent, one that might take preemptive action to stop...

[snip]

yes, very dangerous ground your treading on there

[Desertfox]

Funny thing, there was no war really between NS and the Dutch. We didn't even see each other.

[ctwaterman]

*Chuckles*... I dont know how long was the Republic of Orange and Italia at war.... a week :)  There is no Naval Law banning Orange Merchants and Warships from Italia Waters.  There is simply an Imperial Edict  ;)

The reasons are many but it simply came down to a conflict of interest between the Orange Republic and Italia.   At the time the Empire was looking to expand its East African holdings and apparently so were the people in South Africa.   They wanted to purchase Italia  East African Holdings and the Empire was unwilling to sell.   And was quite willing to hide behind its alliance parteners to hold off the much larger Republic of Orange.    When the Republic of Orange attacked the Empire over the "New Zion Incident" well diplomatic relations plumitted to Zero.  

International Pressure to make peace forced a peace but why would the Empire allow Innocent Passage for Orange ships of Italia Waters or the use of our Ports to a nation that had attacked Imperial Warships on patrol ????  The same could be said of New Switzerland right now.  

So I see no legal reason why the Dutch actions are unwarranted.   Nations may choose who they donot do buisness with and may pass legislation to regulate trade, commerce and passage of non neutral ships through their territorial waters.
If you want to change the dutch nations mind well their are options to do so... one of which is War.


Its like the US and Russia in the cold war, Russian ships didnt just pass through US territorial waters without prior notice or dock in US ports.

Charles

[damocles]

Hmmmm are you not selling Coal and Oil to other nations because they might resell it to the New Swiss....   And since we are obviously in a fantasy world and New Switzerland has an industrial economy they obviously have access to coal.

The Japanese have the huge coal fields of Manchuria!

Charles

1. The New Swiss have to reach Japan to buy it.

Funny thing, there was no war really between NS and the Dutch. We didn't even see each other.

OOC.

There has been a LOT of Nverse Dutch/NS hostile action that was behind the scenes history dating back to before the Siam War. Dutch joke, What do the Dutch sell the New Swiss? The bullets that we use to shoot them, the shovels that they use to dig their own graves, and the coffins that we put them in (we charge for that.). The Dutch do give the New Swiss a special deal on backfilling the graves and tamping the dirt. That the Dutch will do for them free.             

IC.
Nicholas van Rijn and the NOI Moslem Brotherhood hate the New Swiss' guts and with good reason.

[TexanCowboy]

And what's to stop them from similiarly randomly hating GC, and Iberia, and the rest of SC.