Egyptian Army TO&E

Started by Darman, August 05, 2010, 05:17:30 PM

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Darman

This is a work in progress and this is what I have so far.  Any ideas (especially for the logistics and engineers brigades) would be very welcome. 

Infantry Corps-1919

*Logistics Brigade (5,000 men)
   -
*Artillery Brigade X2 (5,000 men)
   -
*Engineer Brigade (5,000 men)
   -
*Infantry Brigade X6 (5,000 men)
   -Infantry Battalion X4 (1,100 men)
      ^Rifle Company X8 (100 men)
         >Rifle Platoon X3 (1 officer, 29 men, 30 rifles)
         >Company Headquarters X1 (1 officer, 9 men, 1 heavy machinegun, 7 rifles, 3 pistols, 2 2-horse carts)
      ^Weapons Company X1 (120 men)
         >Machinegun Section X4 (1 officer, 12 men, 3 heavy machineguns, 6 rifles, 7 pistols, 1 2-horse cart)
         >Machinegun Section X5 (13 men, 3 heavy machineguns, 7 rifles, 6 pistols, 1 2-horse cart)
         >Company Headquarters X1 (1 officer, 2 men, 2 rifles, 1 pistol, 1 2-horse cart)
      ^Battalion Headquarters (80 men)
         >Pioneer Platoon X1 (2 officers, 28 men, 30 rifles, 2 2-horse carts, 10 axes, 10 shovels, 10 pickaxes, demolitions)
         >Reconnaissance Platoon X1 (2 officers, 28 men, 30 rifles, 30 bicycles)
         >Headquarters Platoon X1 (3 officers, 17 men, 12 rifles, 8 pistols, 5 bicycles, 4 2-horse carts)
   -Brigade Headquarters (600 men)
      ^Reconnaissance Company X1 (75 men)
         >Reconnaissance Platoon X3 (1 officer, 24 men, 25 rifles, 25 bicycles)
      ^Field Kitchens X25 (10 men, 2 2-horse carts, 2 4-horse field kitchens)
      ^Field Ambulance X4 (60 men)
         >Battalion Aid Station X1 (1 medical officer, 4 medics, 15 orderlies, 4 2-horse ambulances)
         >Stretcher Sections X8 (1 medic, 4 men, 1 2-horse wagon, 25 stretchers)
      ^Brigade Headquarters X1 (35 men)
         >Command Element X1 (5 officers, 5 men, 10 pistols, 3 staff cars)
         >Communications Element X1 (10 men, 10 pistols, 10 bicycles)
         >Administrative Element X1 (1 officer, 14 men, 15 pistols)

Laertes

Are your engineers combat-trained (e.g. Great War sapper units from OTL), or are they purely noncombat support units?

If the former, I'd suggest using the same basic organisation breakdown as your infantry. (This will make logistic's job much easier, too - standardisation is a virtue). This gives you 32 companies of engineers that can be attached to 24 battalions of infantry, which by rotation between frontline and reserve, will let you have pretty much constant engineer support to the frontline units, without wearing down the unit's stamina.

The weapons companies - possibly even the brigade recon unit - I'd replace with technicians. Field repair facilities or specialist noncombat equipment would, I'm sure, be gratefully received by the soldiers on the spot. If nothing else, having organic repair shops would ease the logistical headache immensely.

You already have pioneers attached to battalion - this might also allow you to replace them with something else, be it more recon assets, organic mortars, or whatever you feel you need.

Darman

The pioneers are the combat-trained engineers.  I figured there would be a specialist combat engineer unit in the engineer brigade, otherwise it would be just noncombat troops. 
I've been attempting to visualize what the make-up of a post-ww1 unit would look like without the experiences of ww1. 
I've done some work on it here.  Not too much though, school started up pretty much as soon as I really got into it. 

snip

I should do this for Ireland...
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when solider lads march by
Sneak home and pray that you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
-Siegfried Sassoon

Darman

Quote from: snip on September 19, 2010, 11:29:57 AM
I should do this for Ireland...

It takes time, a lot more time than I thought it would.  And for support units its pretty much guesswork combined with whatever organizational scheme you want. 

snip

As far as military stuff goes, organization of ground units is the one thing that I know jack-didly about above squad level. (aside from the limited experience Company of Heroes gives, and considering im usually US Airborne sort of hard to apply here) Any sites you can recommend to help me out?
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when solider lads march by
Sneak home and pray that you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
-Siegfried Sassoon

Darman

For World War Two orbats I use this website.  I think its decent.  Otherwise I have a book overviewing German Armored units that I use for them.  Its a popular book, not an academic text but it still goes into enough detail for the individual units. 
For World War One units its harder to find comprehensive orders of battle, but there are some sites that will give an overview of a unit's organization.  Google different things to find what works.  There is one site that covers the Imperial German Army's reorganization during the war.  Unfortunately I haven't bookmarked it and can't seem to find it just yet. 

Laertes

Dr Niehorster's website is superb. For WW1 TO&E's, I agree they're harder to find. The Long, Long Trail has some information, although it's a fairly civilian website.

Axis History might be your best bet, although it's an intimidatingly learned forum.

Borys

Ahoj!
Quote from: Laertes on September 20, 2010, 05:40:42 AM
Axis History might be your best bet, although it's an intimidatingly learned forum.
And full of shriveled-brain Marx worshiping hairy bottom fondling red scum fanatically PC and AGW lie perpetuating moderators!
BTW - the Long Trail same ...
Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Guinness

Borys has been banned from more military history forums than I've ever read...

damocles

Quote from: Borys on September 21, 2010, 05:17:15 AM
Ahoj!
Quote from: Laertes on September 20, 2010, 05:40:42 AM
Axis History might be your best bet, although it's an intimidatingly learned forum.
And full of shriveled-brain Marx worshiping hairy bottom fondling red scum fanatically PC and AGW lie perpetuating moderators!
BTW - the Long Trail same ...
Borys

I could say the same about Strategypage-except there its the other end of the political arrow.Also there are way too many FBs who do not give Euro-tech, especially in rocketry, aircraft, and electronics, its just due, as compared to the Americans. Seriously, what they don't know about Ariannespace, Siemens and Finnmeccanica and Sukhoi is shocking.     

Darman

Infantry Corps-1919

*Corps Headquarters
   -
*Logistics Brigade (5,000 men)
   -Ordnance Battalion X2 (520 men)
      ^Light Ammunition Column X3 (93 men, 90 wagons, 3 riding horses, 720 draft horses)
         >Wagon Section X3 (1 officer, 30 men, 30 8-horse wagons, 1 riding horse)
      ^Howitzer Ammunition Column X2 (111 men, 108 wagons, 3 riding horses, 864 draft horses)
         >Wagon Section X3 (1 officer, 36 men, 36 8-horse wagons, 1 riding horse)
      ^Remount Section X1 (1 officer, 18 men, 4 wagons, 32 draft animals, 12 riding horses, 20 remounts, 75 replacements)
         >Farrier X1 (3 men, 2 8-horse wagons)
         >Veterinarian X1 (1 officer, 3 men, 2 8-horse wagons)
         >Riding Section X1 (3 men, 3 riding horses, 20 remounts)
         >Draft Section X 3 (3 men, 3 riding horses, 25 replacements)
*Artillery Brigade X2 (5,000 men)
   -Brigade Headquarters
      ^
   -Heavy Howitzer Battalion X1 (140-160mm)
      ^
   -Field Artillery Battalion X3 (57-99mm)
      ^Field Artillery Battery X3
         >Field Gun Section X3 (1 officer, 12 men, 2 75mm QF field guns, 13 pistols, 12 draft horses, 2 6-horse caissons)
         >Battery Command Section X1 (1 officer, 10 men, 10 rifles, 1 pistol, 1 riding horse, 3 6-horse caissons)
      ^Battalion Command Section X1 (2 officers, 8 men, 2 pistols, 8 rifles, 4 riding horses, 2 6-horse caissons)
   -Light Howitzer Battalion X1 (160 men, 18 howitzers, 282 draft horses, 7 riding horses, 29 caissons)
      ^Light Howitzer Battery X3 (50 men, 6 howitzers, 90 draft horses, 1 riding horse, 9 caissons)
         >Light Howitzer Section X3 (1 officer, 12 men, 2 105mm howitzers, 13 pistols, 12 draft horses, 2 6-horse caissons)
         >Battery Command Section X1 (1 officer, 10 men, 10 rifles, 1 pistol, 1 riding horse, 3 6-horse caissons)
      ^Battalion Command Section X1 (2 officers, 8 men, 2 pistols, 8 rifles, 4 riding horses, 2 6-horse caissons)
*Engineer Brigade (5,000 men)
   -
*Infantry Brigade X6 (5,000 men)
   -Infantry Battalion X4 (1,100 men)
      ^Rifle Company X8 (100 men)
         >Rifle Platoon X3 (1 officer, 29 men, 30 rifles)
         >Company Headquarters X1 (1 officer, 9 men, 1 heavy machinegun, 7 rifles, 3 pistols, 2 2-horse carts)
      ^Weapons Company X1 (120 men)
         >Machinegun Section X4 (1 officer, 12 men, 3 heavy machineguns, 6 rifles, 7 pistols, 1 2-horse cart)
         >Machinegun Section X5 (13 men, 3 heavy machineguns, 7 rifles, 6 pistols, 1 2-horse cart)
         >Company Headquarters X1 (1 officer, 2 men, 2 rifles, 1 pistol, 1 2-horse cart)
      ^Battalion Headquarters (80 men)
         >Pioneer Platoon X1 (2 officers, 28 men, 7 rifles, 2 2-horse carts, 12 axes, 12 shovels, 12 pickaxes, demolitions, sandbags)
         >Reconnaissance Platoon X1 (2 officers, 28 men, 30 rifles, 30 riding horses)
         >Headquarters Platoon X1 (3 officers, 17 men, 12 rifles, 8 pistols, 5 riding horses, 4 2-horse carts)
   -Brigade Headquarters (600 men, 50 field kitchens, 82 carts, 16 ambulances, 800 stretchers, 85 riding horses, 396 draft horses, 3 staff cars)
      ^Reconnaissance Company X1 (75 men)
         >Reconnaissance Platoon X3 (1 officer, 24 men, 25 rifles, 25 riding horses)
      ^Field Kitchens X25 (10 men, 2 2-horse carts, 2 4-horse field kitchens)
      ^Field Ambulance X4 (60 men)
         >Battalion Aid Station X1 (1 medical officer, 4 medics, 15 orderlies, 4 2-horse ambulances)
         >Stretcher Sections X8 (1 medic, 4 men, 1 2-horse cart, 25 stretchers)
      ^Brigade Headquarters X1 (35 men)
         >Command Element X1 (5 officers, 5 men, 10 pistols, 3 staff cars)
         >Communications Element X1 (10 men, 10 pistols, 10 riding horses)
         >Administrative Element X1 (1 officer, 14 men, 15 pistols)

Cavalry Corps-1919

*Corps Headquarters
   -
*Logistics Brigade X1 (5,000 men)
   -
*Artillery Brigade X2 (5,000 men)
   -Brigade Headquarters X1
      ^
   -Horse Artillery Battalion X4
      ^Battalion Headquarters X1
         >
      ^Horse Artillery Battery X3 (50 men)
         >Horse Artillery Section X3 (1 officer, 14 men, 2 75mm field guns, 15 pistols, 2 6-horse caissons, 12 draft horses, 11 riding horses)
         >Command Section X1 (1 officer, 4 men, 1 pistol, 4 carbines, 3 riding horses, 2 6-horse caissons)

Darman

I have recently updated Egypt's order of battle.  However I wanted people's opinion on whether or not the graphics are sufficient, and down to battalion level is enough. 

Infantry Corps


Cavalry Corps


Also, I sort of assumed that a corps had 10 brigades: 6 maneuver brigades, 2 fire support (artillery) brigades, 1 engineering brigade and 1 logistics/supply/transport brigade.