Chinese Civil War - High-Level Rules Overview

[Darman]

China's position as a world power is going to be destroyed by this if it keeps up, you know.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!

So is there going to be a land grab for china after this war peters out? 

[snip]

Will there be any men left to fight it?

[Logi]

The MK had a mere three years' notice on any RRC buildup judging from the timing of the half-year reports.

You mere the nonexistent buildup and the lax years and the sudden appearance of the super buildup of the MK?

When ~1916 the Updated Sim Reports of the MK came out, the MK was 10 corps and ~200 DD&Tbs ahead of the RRC. Who caused what buildup?

China's position as a world power is going to be destroyed by this if it keeps up, you know.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!

So is there going to be a land grab for china after this war peters out?  

I feel sorry for whoever wants to hold onto China. Damn they will be bled white.

[miketr]

I feel sorry for whoever wants to hold onto China. Damn they will be bled white.

If we project this fighting out a half year then half of each sides armies will be lost and they can only replace 1/4 of those losses unless lower quality units are used.  I expect this war to wreck both sides armies rather completely if we see this war last a year or two.  At the end of which an outside invasion of either or both China's would be very possible.

Michael

 

[Darman]

If we project this fighting out a half year then half of each sides armies will be lost and they can only replace 1/4 of those losses unless lower quality units are used.  I expect this war to wreck both sides armies rather completely if we see this war last a year or two.  At the end of which an outside invasion of either or both China's would be very possible.

Michael

Thats what I'm figuring too.  Eventually they will be throwing conscripts with (or without) rifles at each other.  Someone will step in.  Probably will have stepped in before then with gifts/offers of supplies and replacement equipment. 

[Logi]

Problem is holding that land, not beating the exhausted armies. Don't forget conscript armies can be raised extremely quickly in China and those themselves can be a problem.

I mean... eventually you're going to run out of bullets. And you're going to run out far faster than either China runs out of people.

[Kaiser Kirk]

Actually I'm thinking it's a darn long march from Bavaria, the logistics of the invasion will be killer 8) 

The bullets thing is a good observation, have to remember to pack bayonets !

[maddox]

The MK had a mere three years' notice on any RRC buildup judging from the timing of the half-year reports.

You mere the nonexistent buildup and the lax years and the sudden appearance of the super buildup of the MK?

Actualy, not that sudden.

When ~1916 the Updated Sim Reports of the MK came out, the MK was 10 corps and ~200 DD&Tbs ahead of the RRC. Who caused what buildup?

The person who was willing to help Phoenix with her HY reports.

[miketr]

Problem is holding that land, not beating the exhausted armies. Don't forget conscript armies can be raised extremely quickly in China and those themselves can be a problem.

I mean... eventually you're going to run out of bullets. And you're going to run out far faster than either China runs out of people.

Not really, for mass armies bullets are made in multi-million lots.

China CAN be conquered especially if both sides wreck themselves on internal warfare.  Huge but technically deficient armies can be taken down by smaller but more technically advanced armies.     

As to deal within popular uprisings the solution is called "collective responsibility" you hammer the civilian population until they yield.  Its not pretty and I wouldn't care to write stories about it but it DOES WORK.  The story of the glorious partisan is a 20th century myth and side effect of the widespread availability of assault weapons.   Before AK's became a dime a dozen it was a different story and issues such as logistics and the internal situation of the occupying power.  Otherwise gorilla group depends very much so on outside support to survive let alone succeed. 

In short Logi if the two China's bleed themselves white don't be surprised if one or more outside nations decide to try and scavenge the carcass.     

[Desertfox]

Once the two Chinas are reduced to throwing rocks, takeover is simple. You march in, mark suitable killing fields, lay down barbed wire and minefields, carefully place MG nests and artillery zones, and wait... Chinese casualties in the 1st Swiss-Sino War where over a million, Swiss less than 200,000. And that was with the Chinese trowing 10" shells around.

[Logi]

I welcome you all to try and lose troops yourselves.

[miketr]

I welcome you all to try and lose troops yourselves.

This wasn't a threat logi but a player to player warning that a long drawn out war has risks for you.

[Logi]

I came to this war prepared to fight to the last man. Literally. I think I'm prepared for such risks. In fact I expect it.

[ciders]

Scramble for China is very possible, indeed. Not a big war, with bloody conquests. But a serial of city falls, and bad treaties... Kunming for DKB, Dalian for Japan, Guangzhou for a pool of wood traders, this kind of things.

You have millions of soldiers, sure. But with no money, no weapons stronger than rust swords and no allies... don't become paranoid, but be careful. ;)

[Logi]

I can put up 1 mil vs 1 corp per battle. Match that and the strain on your logistic supply.

Besides... Don't become paranoid? Too late, I've always been paranoid.