Italy/New Zion II: Electric Boogaloo

[ctwaterman]

Ok I will work On mine and have them into your either tonight or tomorrow and that should finish up October....

Charles

[ctwaterman]

Quote from: ctwaterman on Today at 05:35:32 am
Thanks for the Map hmmmm they appear to have run further then I invisioned.  And what the Bleep is a division doing on top of of 4400 Meter tall mountain....  I hope they brought alot of food and Cold weather gear.... good Lord looks up well when they get hungry and frost bitten Im sure they will come down....

The Simien National Park in Ethiopia where the New Zion Alpine Division is located has a peak taller then the tallest peak in the ALPS.....  I have no intention of trying to fight a battle their nor can troops long survive up their with out serious resupply and well some way to stay warm.

Charles

4400 meters isn't that cold....I did that this summer on my two week vacation, with about the same amount of weight that a solider would have on him. (45 pounds, give or take)

Ok I moved this here from the News Section so it didnt run on in that location.

Ok With 45 Lbs of gear which is less then a soldier carries into battle you were carrying backpack, food, water, and warm clothing how long do you think you could survive in such a mountain region.   Now remember this is a Combat Division so its also hauling pack artillary, machine guns, and ammo up those slopes.  It can be done the Chindits did it in Burma, and the Australians and Americans did it in the Owen Stanley Mountains of Paupa New Guinea durring WWII but the problem is survival of the Division  it needs 100+ tons of food and fodder for its mules per day.  The nearest supply of that is the Railway south of Melke and the rule of thumb is mule supply stops working beyond 150 miles after that the mules start eating more then they are delivering to your troops.   

So we have a Division nearly on the Equator that is upwards of 2 miles above sea level surrounded by revines and gullys and other mountains.   To be honest I am not going in their after them I dont need to eventually they have to come out if they want to eat.

Charles

[TexanCowboy]

They can eat backpacking food?

*nom nom nom nom 'barf' nom nom nom nom 'barf'*  ;D

It is a mountain division, meaning that lighter than usual artillery....and I bet non-essential gear was left behind....

[ctwaterman]

They can eat backpacking food?

*nom nom nom nom 'barf' nom nom nom nom 'barf'*  ;D

It is a mountain division, meaning that lighter than usual artillery....and I bet non-essential gear was left behind....

Yes and still how long before they run out of food 5 days, 10 days.... there is no airborne resupply here like the Chindits and Merrils Marrauders did in Burma or the ability to build an airfield out of a dry lake in the Owen Stanley and fly supplies in on a C-47 ????

That New Zion Division will be eating its mules in under a week and the mules will be out of fodder in days.  So like I said waiting at the base of the mountain with a mess of beans, beef and bread will trade food for guns and surrender.  ;)

[damocles]

Quote from: ctwaterman on Today at 05:35:32 am
Thanks for the Map hmmmm they appear to have run further then I invisioned.  And what the Bleep is a division doing on top of of 4400 Meter tall mountain....  I hope they brought alot of food and Cold weather gear.... good Lord looks up well when they get hungry and frost bitten Im sure they will come down....

The Simien National Park in Ethiopia where the New Zion Alpine Division is located has a peak taller then the tallest peak in the ALPS.....  I have no intention of trying to fight a battle their nor can troops long survive up their with out serious resupply and well some way to stay warm.

Charles

4400 meters isn't that cold....I did that this summer on my two week vacation, with about the same amount of weight that a solider would have on him. (45 pounds, give or take)

Ok I moved this here from the News Section so it didnt run on in that location.

Ok With 45 Lbs of gear which is less then a soldier carries into battle you were carrying backpack, food, water, and warm clothing how long do you think you could survive in such a mountain region.   Now remember this is a Combat Division so its also hauling pack artillary, machine guns, and ammo up those slopes.  It can be done the Chindits did it in Burma, and the Australians and Americans did it in the Owen Stanley Mountains of Paupa New Guinea durring WWII but the problem is survival of the Division  it needs 100+ tons of food and fodder for its mules per day.  The nearest supply of that is the Railway south of Melke and the rule of thumb is mule supply stops working beyond 150 miles after that the mules start eating more then they are delivering to your troops.   

So we have a Division nearly on the Equator that is upwards of 2 miles above sea level surrounded by revines and gullys and other mountains.   To be honest I am not going in their after them I dont need to eventually they have to come out if they want to eat.

Charles

I agree with this. We see this in Afghanistan NOW. The New Swiss are toast.

[TexanCowboy]

They can eat backpacking food?

*nom nom nom nom 'barf' nom nom nom nom 'barf'*  ;D

It is a mountain division, meaning that lighter than usual artillery....and I bet non-essential gear was left behind....

Yes and still how long before they run out of food 5 days, 10 days.... there is no airborne resupply here like the Chindits and Merrils Marrauders did in Burma or the ability to build an airfield out of a dry lake in the Owen Stanley and fly supplies in on a C-47 ????

That New Zion Division will be eating its mules in under a week and the mules will be out of fodder in days.  So like I said waiting at the base of the mountain with a mess of beans, beef and bread will trade food for guns and surrender.  ;)

Sounds like Clark's Fork...but I didn't surrender!  :)

[damocles]

The altitude more than the lack of supplies, and the lack of water, or the heat, is the killer here; it's the lack of oxygen and moistness in the air that dries you out.

The New Swiss are not high altitude adapted 24/7.

[Carthaginian]

Starving soldiers will surrender easily, no matter what gear they have on hand to resist.

So says a man who's 9 man squad of MP's talked a broken company of Iraqi Regulars into becoming prisoners, expending only 4 cases of MRE's. They even ate the Jamaican Pork Chops... largely regarded as a sin to eat by non-Muslims.

[ctwaterman]

Starving soldiers will surrender easily, no matter what gear they have on hand to resist.

So says a man who's 9 man squad of MP's talked a broken company of Iraqi Regulars into becoming prisoners, expending only 4 cases of MRE's. They even ate the Jamaican Pork Chops... largely regarded as a sin to eat by non-Muslims.

realizing that what went up must come down and the three most important key elements in warfare are Logistics, Logistics, Logistics [Yea I know thats only 1 Key Element but its so important it bears repeating 3 times]  So I surround this nearly 15K foot tall mountain and wait.  Certainly not going to try to climb it and fight I have 2 Mountain Corp but really i dont remember loosing anything of value on top of that mountain so....

[ctwaterman]

Oh Its the New Zionites not the New Swiss the New Swiss are sitting in Eliat eating rations waiting for the cease fire to end.

Hmmmm Average Low Temperature at night in the Uplands of Ethiopia is around 14 Celcius or roughly 58 F.   So rule of thumb subtract 2 F for every additional thousand feet up you go and we are subtracting roughly 20 F for anything over 4000 Meters.   That leaves us with an average nightly temp of around 38 F or 3 Celcius.

Combine that with a lack of a permanent snow pack and we end up with a nasty bit of cold rock with nothing to burn or eat on it....

Charles

[TexanCowboy]

The altitude more than the lack of supplies, and the lack of water, or the heat, is the killer here; it's the lack of oxygen and moistness in the air that dries you out.

The New Swiss are not high altitude adapted 24/7.

Yeah, except it's a Zionite force, mountain trained.

I wouldn't doubt that you could get supplies in there....just that the division would be at half strength since half the people would be bringing in food and ammunition, etc....the artillery would be on it's own, very few supplies....

MRE's.....nom nom nom nom...

Better than Backpacking food, I give them that.

[The Rock Doctor]

Guys, the unit symbol indicates the approximate centre of the force.  They aren't all camped on the top of the frickin' mountain, but around the slopes.

[TexanCowboy]

What! They should all be at the top of the mountain!!! Chavunistic pride demands it!  ;D (Good PR pictures too, just saying)

[ctwaterman]

I know they are not all on the peak but they are over 100 Miles from well anywhere.   I have no problem with them being their because well 100 miles from anywhere meaningful  ;)

The Point of this is that the Simien Mountain National Park as it is called today is some seriously inhospitable terrain.  And the Mountain Divisions can get in there and If I have to much latter I will send in up to 3 Mountain Corp to get rid of the problem but for now I have much more easily achievable goals looks at the non mountain divisions with their backs to that same terrain.... uh... yea much more easily obtainable objectives.... 8)

[The Rock Doctor]

I've got all necessary orders in hand and will start gaming this out.  Will try to have the report up mid-week or so.