Peace Conference

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Posted: Mar 6 2006, 03:23 PM


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I guess Ill start.


The Swiss delegation stands up,

"Fellow delegates, we would like to bring to your attention that this war is the result of unwarranted Chinese aggression. The Chinese demanded repartations under the threat of war, what we call extortion, and when New Switzerland refused, the Chinese without cause and without a decleration of war shelled peaceful cities."
   
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Posted: Mar 6 2006, 03:27 PM


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An elderly Chinese delegate stands up and throws a leather package on the table towards the New Swiss delegation, the package unrolls and reveals a set of picklocks.
"Here, you forgot your tools when you left Macau..."
   
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Desertfox    
Posted: Mar 6 2006, 03:29 PM


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Bewildered Swiss delegate stands up, "What was that for?"
   
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Posted: Mar 6 2006, 03:37 PM


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"Ask your Government" said the Elder. "They will recognize their preferred tools of trade."
   
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Posted: Mar 6 2006, 04:01 PM


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The delegate from Rohan watched closely while trying to let the Hapsburg moderator/negotiator do his work. 'They haven't changed,' he thought. 'The Swiss operating like Europeans and the Kingdom speaking without saying.' 'Either they literally found these items, which we would think unlikely, or they are just giving their view of the Swiss again in a more dramatic fashion.'

He still had his blade with him. However it was sheathed once more. He hoped he would not have to draw it again here as the last time was painful to his hand before he was able to sheath it once more.
   
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Phoenix    
Posted: Mar 6 2006, 04:21 PM


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OOC The list of the Middle Kingdom delegates:

Delegates:

Prince Tuan, a member of the Foreign Office, heads the delegation due to his age
Liaing Tung-yen, Grand Secretary of the Tsungli Yamen (Board of Foreign Affairs)
Kang Yi, Grand Secretary of the Bìngbú Yamen (Board of War), Chief of the Army Department
Prince Su, Chief of the Naval Department
Lin Peide, Grand Secretary of the Lifànyuán Yamen (Board of Feudatory Affairs)
   
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Posted: Mar 6 2006, 07:25 PM


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Current Events, Paris

"Those bloody fools will or bankrupt themselfs, or will exterminate each other.
Oh well, even if they gain, as by a miracle, a compromise, both will need years to regain their strenght. And that's fine for France.

Desiré, is Monsieur Palpaté available? I think he will be interested in the peace, or must I say Piece negotiations, between New Swiss and the Middle Kingdom."
"Yeps Premier, he is available, and he just arrived;"

"How canny of him, not surprisingly, with his job...." tought Jardan

"Yes Premier, you wished to see me?"

"Yes Palpaté, I have wonderfull news. Our esteemed neighbors are trying to negotiate the peace between the middle Kingdom and new Swiss, as you already know. And again, they go for the jugular, with the Habsburger standing aside bewildered."

"isn't that what we wish Premier? Better 2 enemies tearing each other appart than costing France lifes or money.
Or do you wish to "gently steer the 2 barbaric countries to the stone age?"

"Actualy, just standing aside will do nicely I would say."
   
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Desertfox    
Posted: Mar 6 2006, 08:52 PM


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OOC the Swiss delegation is led by Director of Foreign Affairs Johann Wys.

Before things get out of hand.

Mr Wys stood up, "The Swiss goverment proposes that in exchange for the return of the young emperor, a five yaer cease fire is declared, and that a prisioner exchange be conducted."




   
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Posted: Mar 6 2006, 09:50 PM


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Mr Wys again stood up, " We have just received a more comprehensive proposal. Here it is:

New Switzerland will return the young Emperor, will drop all acusations, will return Shangai, Fuzhou, and Xiamen after a year, will pay 1 MBP per quarter for 5 years, and will give China the ex DKB battleship.

China will drop all claim to Hong Kong, Taiwan and Hainan, China will also take the blame for the war, sign a 5 year Non Aggression pact, and turn over the ex-ACM battleship under construction in Macau."

   
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Posted: Mar 7 2006, 12:25 AM


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Dr. Heinrich Kissingerich, the leader of the Hapsburg imperial delegation, now speaks for the first time:

"I belive, gentlemen, that the question of who bears ultimate responsibility for the war is best left to historians. For the moment, may I suggest that we focus of the following areas:

First, there should be a cease fire in place, to be extended until such time as a formal peace agreement may be worked out.

Second, as a token of good faith, both sides should agree to release their prisoners of war, starting with the wounded, and allow them to return home.

Third, both sides will refrain from provocative actions. May I suggest that a 1 mile wide disengagement zone be set up by having each sides armies withdraw a distance of one half mile. Each sides navy will stay a minimum distance of 50 miles from the others coastline, and ships will not train their guns on each other.

Other issues can be decided on at our next meeting. Well, gentlemen, will this do for a start?
   
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Posted: Mar 7 2006, 03:01 AM


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Dr. Kissengerich resumes:

"I trust lunch was to everyones satisfaction, ladies and gentlemen. And now, I would like to put the following proposal forward in order to resolve the outstanding territorial disputes in a manner acceptable to all sides:

First, the cities and surrounding areas of Hong Kong and Shanghai will revert to exclusive control of the Middle Kingdom.

Second, the Korean penninsula will revert to control of the New Swiss. A wall or canal will be built to act as a border at the narrowest point on the penninsula where it is closest to the Chinese mainland. Cost of this border to be borne equally by both parties.

Third, Hainan will be leased to a neutral third party, putting it out of reach of both sides. The rent from the first 33 years of this lease will be divide equally between the New Swiss and the Middle Kingdom.

Fourth Taiwan will be leased under the same conditions as Hainan, but to a seperate third party to be decided on later.

Fifth both sides will renounce all claims of reparations on the other.

Sixth both sides will agree to leave each other alone - this can be formalized later in a non agression pact if the sides so desire.

Seventh, all prisoners, including all persons of rank and or royalty, are to be unconditionally released.


Well, gentlemen and ladies, what do you think?
   
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Posted: Mar 7 2006, 03:51 AM


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Vice Admiral Greenwich of the Royal American Navy, who had travelled with the French delegation stood up and began.

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"Honourable delegates, you must all realise that this war is not good for either side. I should think that the New Swiss proposal for a settlement is a worthy and a fair one."


The old man took a long deep breath and set off once more.

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"As a start to this treaty being put into place, the United Kingdom of America suggests that the young Emperor is brought here to this conference and is handed over in the sight of the observers of all sides. We would strongly advise the New Swiss not to try any tricks in this, and honour this agreement to the utmost."


Looking round for an immediate response, and seeing none, he continued.

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"Also on the subject of territorial claims, the territories to be returned to the two respective parties should be handed over at the same time, meaning that neither side is able to exploit the resources there for an unfair period of time. We would suggest that an international force is to oversee this process."


Finally he returned to his seat and prepared to hear the response.
   
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Earl822    
Posted: Mar 7 2006, 04:07 AM


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Vice-Admiral Greenwich called for a piece of paper, scribbled something down rapidly, and stood to talk once more.

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Gentlemen I would suggest that further to the New Swiss & Hapsburg proposals for a peace agreement, the United Kingdom of America proposes the following:

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1) An end to all fighting will come into effect within 24hours of the signing of this agreement

2) The young Emperor, presently a prisoner in the hands of the New Swiss will be handed over to Middle Kingdom officials immediately after the agreement of peace is signed.

3) All other prisoners of war will be release and returned to their own country by the end of 1901.

4) The New Swiss will pay reparations equal to 1MBP per quarter for the next 5 years. In addition to this the New Swiss & the Middle Kingdom will exchange the ex-DKB & ex-ACM Battleships presently in their possesion.

5) The New Swiss & Middle Kingdom Governments will return to the respective parties all territories that have been seized during the War thus

To be returned by the New Swiss - Shangai, Fuzhou, and Xiamen.
To be returned by the Middle kingdom -Hong Kong

Also the Middle Kingdom will drop all claims to Taiwan and Hainan.

This entire process shall be overseen by an international force, and will take place within 1 calender year.

6) Finally both sides will also sign a 5 year non-agression pact.


Now Gentlemen what do you think?


The Old man retired to his seat, and sat back to watch the fun.
   
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Marek Gutkowski    
Posted: Mar 7 2006, 05:30 AM


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Spanish ambasador sat in his chair not saying anything.So far nothing was sead that concern Spain,he know that if he say anything the NS will put him in a dificult position,Spains ship firing on NS shiping.Hes position at the talk was poor at best.But he had one card to play he just waited for the right time.
   
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Posted: Mar 7 2006, 08:26 AM


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Prince Tuan, the Venerable Elder who had so dramatically countered the New Swiss opening remarks nodded to Lin Peide, Grand Secretary of the Lifànyuán Yamen, who stood up and declared (through interpreters of course):

We find the claims of the New Swiss demons to be utterly devoid of any honour and civility. Furthermore we find the claims of certain so-called neutral parties that the Middle Kingdom should relinquish morsels of its land to these fiends of hell that are called New Swiss to be most outrageous. Mind you, we do not like Hell to have outposts on our shores !! Would you ? WOULD YOU ?!
We did hear Docto Heinjich Kissingelich to speak with wisdom.
Let me recapitulate the suggestions of this worthy, and add our remarks:
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First, there should be a cease fire in place, to be extended until such time as a formal peace agreement may be worked out.

It is difficult to curb the anger of our people. Currently there are far more angry civilians at the battlefields than troops. The wise thing for the New Swiss devils is to evacuate immediately, or be killed. The troops themselves already obey to the cease-fire.

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Second, as a token of good faith, both sides should agree to release their prisoners of war, starting with the wounded, and allow them to return home.

We have no prisoners of war, preferring to send them back immediately to their own after having rendered them not capable for further fighting as a safety measure. Grieveously wounded enemies have died despite best care of our healers.

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Third, both sides will refrain from provocative actions. May I suggest that a 1 mile wide disengagement zone be set up by having each sides armies withdraw a distance of one half mile. Each sides navy will stay a minimum distance of 50 miles from the others coastline, and ships will not train their guns on each other.

There is already such a zone. It's called "Territory Waters". It is not our fault that the demons don't recognize the proper laws of this world.

Next:
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First, the cities and surrounding areas of Hong Kong and Shanghai will revert to exclusive control of the Middle Kingdom.

Not to mention the Shandong Peninsula with the cities of Yantai and Qingdao for examples. The devils must leave all that they have taken and cease their foul corruption of the land at once.
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Second, the Korean penninsula will revert to control of the New Swiss. A wall or canal will be built to act as a border at the narrowest point on the penninsula where it is closest to the Chinese mainland. Cost of this border to be borne equally by both parties.

Indeed, that would be the best solution. Do we not know that the fiendish islands these demons dwell upon are so barren that they need other land for food ? Our Government has come to that conclusion several months ago and has decided to let Korea be to the demons, but let not those demons further taint our own soil - hence the canal. And we will gladly welcome and give succour to those poor souls of Korea who want to flee the demons' hellish rule.
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Third, Hainan will be leased to a neutral third party, putting it out of reach of both sides. The rent from the first 33 years of this lease will be divide equally between the New Swiss and the Middle Kingdom.

We know and understand.
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Fourth Taiwan will be leased under the same conditions as Hainan, but to a seperate third party to be decided on later.

We know and understand.
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Fifth both sides will renounce all claims of reparations on the other.

We know and understand.
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Sixth both sides will agree to leave each other alone - this can be formalized later in a non agression pact if the sides so desire.

We know and understand. Who would have dealings with demons anyway ?
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Seventh, all prisoners, including all persons of rank and or royalty, are to be unconditionally released.

We demand the immediate release of His Imperial Majesty, to be brought back to the loving embrace of His Mother. Maybe His presence can revive our most beloved ailing Empress Dowager, we can only hope.

Much pain and grief has come from New Switzerland, as only devils can bring. We want no more with them. Let them rot in their own filth, let others ply trade with them and endanger their very souls, but we must save our own people and land as much as we can.


All other suggestions range from downright hostile to terribly insulting. And know ye, oh Leaders of other Nations, that dealing with these devils brings but grief and damage. Are they not the traders of that infamous addictive filth called "Opium" ? Are not pirates rampant in what they call their territorial waters ? Where they go they bring death, where they trade people die.

This is not about winning a war. This is about civilisation and the downbringing of it by hellish forces. Even our lowest peasants recognise this and stand valiantly in its path. They, who live close to the land, recognise danger and have answered the call of Heaven and The Land itself. Where trained soldiers fear to tread you find them. Death holds no fear to them, who know it's about the lives and souls of their own sons, and have rallied because the Son of The Dragon has been taken to danger.
It is time to free a 5-year-old Child from Hell and its corruption that must certainly already have invaded that poor Child's mind and soul and corrupted Him.
Let the devils lick their wounds and mourn their losses. But let them never -ever !- return to the Middle Kingdom, for they are anathema.

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Marek Gutkowski     
Posted: Mar 7 2006, 09:45 AM


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"Bravo"sead the Spanish ambasador "Spain sopport the People of Middle Kingdom in there struble to drive the invaders from there homeland"
   
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Posted: Mar 7 2006, 10:11 AM


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"Keep your mouth shut you Spanish Devils! You, a neutral, have attacked a Swiss merchant on the open seas, and then you threaten us with war? You are nothing but a vulture."

"Mr. Piede, we came here to negotiate, not to trow accusations around, so would you plese keep your conversation on topic.

Look at this stack of papers, each contains a crime against hummanity commited by the Chinese. Dont get me started. And dont say anything about the Emperor, he is safer in NS than in your hands. And dont say anything about the Empress either you do not what to hear what we have to say.

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Second, the Korean penninsula will revert to control of the New Swiss. A wall or canal will be built to act as a border at the narrowest point on the penninsula where it is closest to the Chinese mainland. Cost of this border to be borne equally by both parties.
The border would be at the Yalu river, as that is our current border.

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Third, Hainan will be leased to a neutral third party, putting it out of reach of both sides. The rent from the first 33 years of this lease will be divide equally between the New Swiss and the Middle Kingdom.

Fourth Taiwan will be leased under the same conditions as Hainan, but to a seperate third party to be decided on later.
NS cannot agree to this, we cannot give up our land.

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As a start to this treaty being put into place, the United Kingdom of America suggests that the young Emperor is brought here to this conference and is handed over in the sight of the observers of all sides. We would strongly advise the New Swiss not to try any tricks in this, and honour this agreement to the utmost
We unfortunately cannot do this. He might come to harm along the way. We therefore invite any de;egate to inquire on the health of the Emperor. You will find that he is beign well taken care of.

New Switzerland can accept the Vice-Admiral Greenwich proposal."

OOC Shangai was a Swiss possesion at the start of the war, and still is. China hasnt taken anything.
   
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Posted: Mar 7 2006, 10:18 AM


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A meesenger suddenly entered the room, a few words where spoken to the Swiss delegation.

Suddenly Mr Wys stood up, "Fellow delegates, we have just received notice that the NSS Justice has blown up in Manila harbor."

A silence fell over the room.
   
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Posted: Mar 7 2006, 10:43 AM


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Current Events

"Monsieur Palpaté, I tought we agreed on a total neutrality concerning the MK/NS conflict" Thundered Premier Jardan.

"Sir, I do not know what you try to tell me. The Securité has only an information gathering role in this matter."

"You know what I want to say. Was it really neccesary to blow up that ex DKB ship in the Harbor of Manilla?"

"Premier Jardan, my personel doesn't have to do anything with that incident."

"Ok, give me a damage report then."

"Currently there is no direct suspect in this case, only that Spain is perfectly capable to sabotage the ship.
But we also know that at least 150 Middle Kingdom elite saboteurs are on the lose in the Pacific. The first of these guys actions is sabotaging telecomunication and dealing out small pinpricks in Australia."

"Ok, what will be the direct results?"

"If New Swiss gets a nudge to believe the Spaniards did the dastarly deed, they will have to declare war. If they don't react, it will be a blow to their image and honor. But they can't divide their forces even more than they already did. the Spanish armada is strong and willing to erase the defeats of the past. King Juan III wants more security in the Pacific, and that means that the NS needs a smaller fleet. But I think the real enemy in the Pacific is not New Swiss.
If the NS gets the idea that it was done by MK saboteurs, they will get a real scare about orientals anywere over the world."

"Ok, what gain can France get out of this?"

"Little to non. Unless we can use the New Swiss to push on with the war, if they believe we are subtily supporting them. If that happens, the New Swiss will bleed the Middle Kingdom further. And that gives us the opportunity to end the old war,and get a settlment out of that. That would give us a double advantage in the Pacific. At least in security. And less naval spendings."

"That sounds interesting, can you give me an estimate of cost, gain and dangers in this?" Can you deliver me this in 2 days, I doubt we have a greater window of opportunity here.
   
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Marek Gutkowski    
Posted: Mar 7 2006, 11:04 AM


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"We? the devil?We did not fire on civiliant we did not try to assasinate the Emperial Family.For all we know NS ordered the assasination of oure king"
The ambasador was visualy angry.
"And accusing us of blowing up your ship ha.If we wanted to dispose of any of NS fleet assets they will be at the bottom of the ocean by now.For all we know Your ship was reged to explode in oure harbour to destroy its port facilitys."
After finishing ambasador satdown ,sudenly realizing his mestake no one accused him of anything.Defending spain like that will do more damege that good.
   
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Posted: Mar 7 2006, 11:40 AM


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Lin Peide sneered at the New Swiss delegate: "Why do you insult me by calling me by my given name and call all others more respectfully by their family names ? Clearly your manners lack education."
Shaking his head: "Your stacks of paper with crimes against humanity by the Chinese ? Lies, lies, and damn lies ! The Chinese Earth itself cries out in pain and the souls of hundreds of thousands of cruelly murdered civilians cry out in protest because of the foul deeds of the New Swiss devils.
Did we urge the civilians of Shanghai and Hong Kong most strongly to leave, with ample time before our attacks struck, so that their innocent lives be spared ? Yes ! Did New Switzerland order them to stay put and die ? YES ! Who is the criminal here then ?
Ponder this... we are talking about a land that even mercenaries refuse to fight for..."
He looked around but then suddenly bowed his head. "My heart is filled with grief and sadness. You, delegates of Nations that call themselves civilised... would you allow the abductors of a child to keep it in their horrendous claws ? The murderers of his nannies and caretakers ? The filth that almost killed his great-aunt, who even now still lies suffering and in death-troes ? Can you allow the killers to keep that child with them so that they can instill the lust for killing and depravity into his innocent mind and heart ? A child belongs with its mother..."
He wiped away a tear and continued: "The Most Noble Empire of Spain has every right to be wary. As all of you should. Because this hellish people will take, rob, pillage, murder and rape when it suits their fancy. If they be not stopped here, where will it end ?"
Pointing.
"At your shores probably..."
Pointing.
"Or yours..."
"Look what they did to Macau, or Goa... buying and selling what is not theirs. In the last decade they treated more people like slaves and property than any other Nation. Openly. As a Government. As a Nation.
Normally a Government who takes good care of its people can ask a lot of them. But selling them ? That's vile.
Their outrageous claims bring more doom to other people. We cannot and will not condemn good, hardworking, people to such a fate."
Lin Peide sighed. "Anyway, have you noticed how my country states no demands for restitution ? How we do not ask money or land that is not rightfully ours ? We don't even ask for new ships in return for the destroyed ones. We are a peace-loving people, who ask nothing more from our neighbours than good neighbourship. Not dangerous drugs and evil threats."
"So... will you carve up the Middle Kingdom like a slaughtered pig ? Ponder this, oh Delegates... We have not asked to do so with New Switzerland... So... who will you believe ?"
Then, grimly: "New Switzerland, the vile robbers who take by force land of other Nations and then declares it theirs... how can you trust them ? How can any Nation still feel safe when such a threat looms over the world ?"
   
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Ithekro    
Posted: Mar 7 2006, 11:46 AM


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(Note: Typed in responce to the Spanish post, the Middle Kingdom's post was not yet read when the following text was typed.)

"Gentlemen!" shouted the Rohirrim observer. "The matter at hand here is the war between the Middle Kingdom and New Switzerland. Should you have another matter to discuss, make an appointment for a later date or another room of the ship. This is not the time of place for additonal troubles or aggressive actions." He looked around hoping that the matter at hand would return to the forefront.

"Now, Rohan will point out that this argument over the islands and cities of and around the mainland of the Middle Kingdom were exactly what got this war started in the first place. And while Rohan recognizes the Kingdom's claims to the cities, the native populations of the Islands of Taiwan and Hainan along with Korea are historically against the Qing Empire of the Middle Kingdom since before the coming of the Europeans. Taiwan was loyal to the Ming Dynasty of old and Hainan is inhabited more by peoples from Indochina than the Kingdom. While this is not Rohan's fight, its views on the rights of native peoples has us not agree with the the noble Kingdom of the Dragon and now Tiger in this matter."

"However, taking the lands out from under the Swiss rule after a hundred years of their rule and what is claimed to be equal treatment of the native populations when the lands are not presently under attack would be wrong. A third party observed vote over the native's right to self government might be in order, however without the protection offered by the Swiss, I fear these lands would soon fall to another power, be it Europeans or Asian."

"However, Rohan has a suggestion that might quell the peoples of the Middle Kingdom. For the time when the Emperor is returned to his Kingdom, return him in the airship he desired before this war began. 'The Emperor that decended from the heavens' would gain immense power, and any harm to him by those within his goverment would be even more grievious to his peoples, to the point of causing revolution. Rohan thinks this might be a safe way to quell the peoples, and bring about an end to the war once a peace treaty is established."

The Rohirrim observer looked around again to see the reactions he was getting.
   

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Maddox    
Posted: Mar 7 2006, 12:01 PM


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The 27 august morning, on Greater Napoleon.

"Admiral, we have a message, brought in by courrier."

"Ok, 1 message and a breakfast please."

"reading the message, Geon pales."

In the mean while sturdy wooden crates are loaded on board of Greater Napoleon, a black and green cross with a small print openly readable. "danger de mort"
   
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Posted: Mar 7 2006, 12:29 PM


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Dr. Kissingerich is shaken by the destruction of the ship, another war is the last thing anyone needs, but he is trying not to show it:

"Ladies and Gentlemen, may we return to the matter at hand?

We DO NOT KNOW at this time what has happened to the ship in question. It may indeed have been destroyed as a result of hostile action. On the other hand, it may have been an accident. Certain types of coal has been known to spontaneously combust, such a fire might have detonated a magazine. This may be an act of God, not an act of war."

"I propose, that a special commission of neutral third parties be set up to determine exactly what happened and who, if anyone is responsible. I ask the observers from France, Spain, Rohan and the DKB to contact their respective governments and ask if they would help us head such a commission."


"We are here to end a war, let us not start one.

I would like to propose a 12 hour recess, so we may all contact or at least send messages to our respective governments."


(After everyone leaves the room, Dr. K goes to see the Middle Kingdom and New Swiss representatives privately and separately.)
   
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Posted: Mar 7 2006, 01:16 PM


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(OOC: Was Spain going to declare war on the New Swiss in August 25th reguardless of the destruction of the NSS Justice? Was that stated anywhere in character? Because if this is so, an investigation into the destruction of the Justice is pointless as the war would be declared, no matter what the results were, by the Spanish, not the Swiss.)
   
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Maddox    
Posted: Mar 7 2006, 01:18 PM


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Spain had the orders written out to declare war on 25 august
   
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Posted: Mar 7 2006, 03:30 PM


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I posted the destruction of the Justice AFTER Spain declared war. Of course this is because of how where doing things. But Spain was going to daclare war anyhow, because I didnt pay what they asked for.
   
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Posted: Mar 7 2006, 03:31 PM


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During the recess...

The Chinese delegates conferred in the room of Prince Tuan. The Habsbuger delegate had just left and they needed to digest his words and gather their thoughts.
Lin Peide sighed. "So, it gets curiouser and curiouser. As if we would have ordered a ship blown up. That was a most honourless act anyway." He looked at Kang Yi and Prince Su and wondered: "Have we ?"
Both men shaked their heads.
"Hm.." mused Prince Tuan. "Let us bend our minds to more important matters. It seems that a little carving cannot be avoided and the islands will be lost. Anyone dare to venture an opinion on this ?"

Prince Su smirked. "At least there are some people who study the Classics. Even yang quizi do."
"That is because they know authority when they see it. At least some of them do anyway," answered Kang Yi with a wry expression. "They're getting too smart."
"But we can't abandon our people !" exclaimed Kang Yi. "Too many have been sent to Hainan before the war started, as labourers and servants. They will be in grave danger."
"Maybe. And maybe not," mused Prince Tuan. "The yang quizi promise to let the people choose."
"Do you trust them ?"
"As far as I can kick them. But that does not matter. What matters is the welfare of the people. If a bitter measure must be swallowed, it is in the end the people that are important and swallow we must.
The Master said, 'To rule a country of a thousand chariots, there must be reverent attention to business, and sincerity; economy in expenditure, and love for men; and the employment of the people at the proper seasons.' We cannot rule with war. We can only rule with regards for the people. So, if they must decide the fate of their islands, we must abide by their wishes. If -and only if- the choice has been brought to them with sincerity and without falseness."
"That will be tricky with Hainan." answered Lin Peide grimly. "It has already a destination in our plans."
Liaing Tung-yen sat silent. Lin Peide turned towards him and asked: "What is your opinion Brother ?"
"Mine ? I don't know yet. But there is one thing that troubles me: what will the New Swiss quizi do ? The Master said, 'The mind of the superior man is conversant with righteousness; the mind of the mean man is conversant with gain.' We may have the best intentions in mind, but devious scheming of the demons will harm those people whose fate we are deciding about now." He looked up towards Prince Tuan, his eyes almost pleading: "I don't know what is in their best interest. But I fear for them, I fear for their lives and souls. People are too easily swayed by smooth promises and glimmering trinkets." He looked down again. "Sometimes I feel desolate. How can people be so stupid ?"
"They are merely ignorant, son," said the Elder Prince gently. "We can only stress to the "neutral parties" that full disclosure must be given to the people, that they will have all options explained. Such is our duty. Always.
The Master said: 'It is impossible to associate with birds and beasts, as if they were the same with us. If I associate not with these people,-- with mankind,-- with whom shall I associate? If right principles prevailed through the empire, there would be no use for me to change its state.' It is a job we must do. It has been entrusted to us by the Emperor.
The Master also said, 'Good government obtains, when those who are near are made happy, and those who are far off are attracted.' We need to have everything solidly in writing and then carried out by the right people. We must get those assurances."

They sat a moment in silence. Each man pondering his tasks.

"You know," said Prince Tuan suddenly, with a twinkle in his eye, "now that we are quoting the Master... how about this ?
Tsze-kung asked about government. The Master said, 'The requisites of government are that there be sufficiency of food, sufficiency of military equipment, and the confidence of the people in their ruler.'
Tsze-kung said, 'If it cannot be helped, and one of these must be dispensed with, which of the three should be foregone first?' 'The military equipment,' said the Master."

The men grinned, laughed and then guffawed.
"Pfoui, I needed that !" snickered Pin Leide.
"Yes. I knew you would. You would be the one not without a job if that ever happened !" retorted Kang Yi smiling.
And the men parted in good spirits, ready to tackle Hell again.
   
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"Mr Spanish Ambassador, we have not accused you of anything, why are you so upset?"

"Mr Chinese Ambassador, would you be so kind as to keep the conversation on topic? We did not come here to point fingers. So keep your fingers to yourself, becasue for every finger you point four more fingers point to you."
   
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i reserve the right to stop the war.But as matters go i dont think that it will be stoped.
(mesege posted before NS reply)
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Ambasador Brzeczyszykiewicz was in his private room.
"I was sent hire to stop a war now I think it is not posible."he sead to his aid and a friend.
"Sir we may stop this somepeople seem resinoble."
"And now this ship blowing up.Curses what sort of an idiot will do that tention is high betwin Spain and Swiss.Now peace is all but unachevable."
"Sir have faight.You may still succede"
"My orders are stop the war get and demand repatriation for the MK."
He sigh deeply"Those are as stupid as ordering to stop a fight by telling one side that is lost when it didnt"
"Sir NS already lost when they made war on the chinese.Its just like gowing to war with russia they never lose"
Ambasador was suprised was he surrauded by hawks?
I nead to sleep.

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Mr. Ambasador Spain stoped being neutral mounths ago when we publicly sead that NS is in the wrong.And I am upset by coling me a devil.
I will say only this Whatever Middle Kingdom decides we will back them up with anything and everything.Make no mastake oure nation course is set, we do not take kindly to assasins and kidnapers.

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OOC I dont hink LZ-1 could make it to China, it hasnt flown more than 15 miles from its base.

IC " Mr Ambassador, It apperes to me that Spain supported China BEFORE this supposed "assasination" attempt. I think Spain is after Taiwan, am I right?"

   
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Dr. Kissingerich addresses the reassembled delegates:

"Ladies and Gentlemen, first of all my government expresses its sympathy towards the new swiss for the loss of their ship and whatever casualties may have occured among the crew. Any Austrian ships in the area, civilian or military, will be ordered to render all possible assistance."

"And now, I would like to return to the matter at hand. I have spoken to each side privately and you both know what I believe and why. Further bloodshed in this war will serve no purpose. It is time to end this, with due regard to the interests and honor of both sides. We seem to be in basic agreement on the outstanding issues with the exceptions of taiwan and hainan. If leasing those two areas to a third party is not satisfactory, then I propose their fate be decided by their people in the following way, with thanks to my collegue from Rohan. Let a referendum be held under international auspices. Let both sides peresent their arguements as to why taiwan and hainan should be under their respective authority; and then let the people decide themselves, freely and without outside pressure. If they choose to join the new swiss, so be it. If they choose reunification with the middle kingdom, so be it,"


"And now, I would like to address my collegue from Spain. Sir, we are here to stop a war. If the fate of taiwan and hainan is indeed resolved to everyone's agreement if not satisfaction, will you agree to a non-aggression pact with the new swiss. I understand you are here to support you allies the middle kingdom. If they see no need for fighting will you also see no need?"
   
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Vice-Admiral Greenwich stood up, looke around a stated

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"They'd better declare a cease fire first!!!"
   
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Sitting at the negotiation table, russian delegation keeps a silence. The Admirals just observe the debates between the negotiators. At last Admiral Iessen said to Admiral Makarov:

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Semen Osipovitch, I think we could hardly help them with any suggestion. They don't like to make it up with each other. What could we do?


Makarov, looking over the hall, answers to Iessen:

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Yes, Maxim. We can do nothing here. I'll try to talk to each of rivals in private. If it does not help, we'll live the Conferense.


The russian admirals continue to observe the debates keeping silence.
   
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Spains ambasador
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"Spain is here becose we view NS as a treat to oure citizens.We belive that New Swiss is an agresive poer that seaks to dominate the entire Pacific.
Fate of Taiwan will be decided by there rigthfull owners the Middle Kingdom.
We have no formal alliegence with the Middle Kingdom we are helping the one that we belive is just"
Ambasador put on a smile
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"And to with assasination attempt are you refering there were qait a fiev recently"
   
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Prince Tuan rose and gestured towards Liaing Tung-yen. "I believe our Grand Secretary for Foreign Affairs has some interesting documents here. Mr. Liaing ?"

The Foreign Minister stood and held up a stack of papers: "These are the minutes of the negotiations between the Middle Kingdom and New Switzerland, before the war began and we started to see the demons for what they truly were... But heed me, oh Delegates, how it was agreed upon that lease would be paid for the Korea's, for Taiwan, Hainan and the harbours of Hong Kong and Shanghai. It is on these papers: the haggling and the bickering. But it shows that we are the rightful owners and that New Switzerland acknowledged that fact.
And then suddenly they claimed they had purchased the harbour of Macau from a nation that no longer exists, who had leased the harbour from us. What would you do when you rent a house to someone, that this someone disappears like a thief in the night, and then suddenly someone else appears on your doorstep, claiming he had bought the house ??
No, it is clear and written down: New Switzerland would lease the disputed lands from us. And now they claim falsely that it is theirs by right of conquest.
Well... if right of conquest it must be, then this war is about the conquest. About the rightful ownership."
   
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Admirals Quarters , Greater Napoleon.

"Gentlemen, these are the orders we got from the admirality.

I find these inhumane at best, and can't execute them ,and be a truthfull honnest man.
I bow the head to your joint decision."
   
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"Well if our Chinese friends want to bring up old stuff..."

Admiral Mikawa* stood up "The Taiwanese people will solidly back the Swiss. The Swiss are our allies, they helped us to defeat the fiendish Chinese Goverment. We will not accept a split. We will fight to the death if neccesary against the Evil Chinese Goverment."

Luitenant Colonel Ceeta** also stood up, "The Koreans will also back the Swiss."

OOC NS is a country of refugees, to survive you must stand toghether or fall separately.

* Admiral Mikawa is a Taiwanese Chinese.
** Luitenant Colonel Ceeta is decended from Koreans.


Could all of you pause this for a few days?
   
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"Congratulations ! You have just bought 2 persons who will say what you like to hear !" observed Prince Tuan.
"Do you really think 2 high officials of your government, not chosen mind you by their own people, can speak for them ?"

He sighed.

"I mean... they're both soldiers. Of course they do follow orders... like good subordinaties they will do your bidding. And condemn their people."

Lin Peide stood up and added:" As Grand Secretary of the Lifànyuán Yamen, the Board of Feudatory Affairs, my duty has always been to look after those in our land who are not Han or Manchu. Strange that I keep getting requests from Taiwan and Hainan and Korea to help them, to get rid of foreign opressors who care for nothing but gains. They cry out in hunger and poverty, while a few priviledged ones wallow in riches.
Mikawa and Ceeta are not unknown names to me. They have been cited as being good faithful lapdogs of the opressors. Lady Ceeta has served as Ambassador for New Switzerland at our Imperial Court. We were wondering where the assassins and abductors got their maps from... Our most beloved and venerated Empress Dowager Tzu Hsi trusted this woman, invited her in Her most inner chambers for cordial meetings and showered her lavishly with nice presents as good friends do, and now She lies dying. Such friendship..."

Prince Tuan continued: "These negotiations will end up just like the first ones mediated by the Rohirrim... in shouting matches and much anger. Clearly New Switzerland has no intention to try seriously for peace and clearly they are not capable of higher thinking. Clearly they do not have the people in mind, but their profits and gains. Even when we speak they are using their so-called "cease-fire" to re-inforce their troops and bring on fresh young men to be slaughtered for this folly of theirs. Even now they are laying out sabotage and destruction and don't care about the noble intention to stop this war.
The first act in this folly they committed was taking land, taking land and killing those who live there. They seek to conquer and pillage.
We can only conclude that these demonic land-grabbers want more, and more, and more, and that their appetite for new gains will never be sated. Trust them to occupy good Chinese coast and then forbid the people living there to fish for food. No, the people are not allowed to feed themselves. The fruits of their labour must go to their new masters...
Therefore it should not surprise civilised people that those poor people rise as one, that fathers seek to feed their children, that mothers wail in misery and commit desperate acts. Our people suffer and there sit the land-grabbers: gloating."

He sat down again. "In the end I know what the result will be. A bitter harvest will come this Autumn, the crops bloating from the blood and life-forces of those slain in the name of gain." He wearily stroked his hand over his eyes. "A bitter harvest. Who will reap it ?"
   
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Topic open again
   
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Admiral's quarters, Greater Napoleon.

A knock at the door.

"Yes, what is it" the Admiral says.

A sailor enters and salutes. "Message from the Tegethoff, sir. the Austrian negotiator requests permission to come aboard and visit you in person. He says it is a matter of great urgency."

"What should I tell him, sir?"
   
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Posted: Mar 13 2006, 12:47 AM


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"Show him in please"

I'm curious what this is about. Geon thinks.
   
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Mr Wys slamed some papers into tha table.

"Mr Chinese Ambassador. We came here to discuss peace not to point fingers. You have done nothing but trow accusations around since you got here. If you want to present accusations schedule a meeting for that, we'll see who comes out worst. But for now you either say something helpful or keep your mouth shut."

He then turned around and faced the rest of the delegates.

"I would like to schedule a meeting to discuss the Spanish problem. I have a list of griviencaes to present."
   
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Dr. Kissingerich comes aboard. He is wearing his usual formal suit. He is not accompanied by any aide, and carries a small briefcase. In the admiral's cabin aboard the Greater Napoleon, the two men sit opposite one another.

"Admiral, thank you for receiving me here on such short notice. I'm sure you are wondering why I have called upon you at such an hour and why I must insist on only the two of us meeting. I am here because I need your help to stop this war between the new swiss and middle kingdom from resuming and escalating. "

"Now, the sticking point in this war is not, as one may assume, the specific territories under dispute. The sticking point is that one side does not understand the situation it is in. Through means I may not discuss, I have obtained documents which may allow that side to see the situation more clearly, but they will not believe the documents to be accurate unless they are verified by an independent party, namely yourself.

I do realize in making this request I am most likely asking you to violate orders from your government which you have already received - after all, it is the unoffical policy of France that the two sides should be allowed to fight until a state of mutual exhaustion is reached. Quite apart from the moral issues, such a policy does not, in my opinion, reflect the will of your premier - otherwise why send a symbol of French power to this meeting at all? One may interpret that as an order, of sorts, to support the peace efforts I am making. If this reasoning is too Byzantine for you, then consider this: If this conflict resumes, it will undoubtably escalate as other powers sense a chance for plunder and expansion. The overall result could be a wider war that would ultimately threaten the interests of France as well as Austria."

"And now, sir, I must ask - will you help me?"
   
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Monsieur Kissinger, what my orders are, or what the policy of France is in this matter is not discutable. I hope you don't mind me saying so. If you do mind Monsieur Kissinger, that equaly unimportant to me.

What is important is that Tegethof and escorts can return unharmed. That is my job here now. Does that satisfy you?
I'm afraid you're trying to negotiate peace between fire and nitroglycerine. And that volatile mixture is now on board of your flagship.

Morality is not my job either. But I am compelled to say I do not like the idea of civilians used to be slaughtered. And both the parties have proven to be equaly ruthless.

So, what is the point I can maybe help you with. After all, we all are human.

On another note, can I offer you a drink, chilled lemonade or a coffee? Or do you prefer something more potent?

[Borys]

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(OOC: Actually I figured you'd settle this on the 31st...or actually sometimes I think time jumps a little too randomly. As for the yes/no bit, The idea was that I would have liked a clear answer. It took us too long to get one. Since I had the ship return by the 30th of September, I needed to leave because it takes 29 days to reach Rohan with the speed up after refueling part way. As for leaving early. Rohan was tired of getting run around. Twisting words, and no having people saying something, and yet say nothing that progressed the subject at hand. Look at this thread. Its 23 pages long that covers only about 17 days of time. I also know that the proposal has not really changed all that much in its content. That is likely what upset the Observer so much...that nothing changed since Port Arthur. His belief on the lands of Korea, Taiwan, and Hainan was made quite clear even at Port Arthur, so he is more dissapointed at the Chinese actions than the Swiss's attempts to gain more than they had before the war, because the proposed treaty removes land from the Swiss economic system, which for a capitalist nation is about as bad as it gets. From that point of view, as well as the military point of view, the Swiss are lossing the most and the Chinese gaining at least some of their land back. Rohan sees the Swiss a little differently than the rest of Europe because they are displaced, totally. They now have a home, and have been contained for the moment. They have been warned and their forces have been knocked around by their neighbor and shown that they do not have the forces for conquest against the European powers if they cannot handle a less developed nation, plus they have gained too much international scrutiny. They won't be able to get away with anything anymore without being questioned on it. They'll lost the respect of most nations, and their honestly has been questioned. They will need to earn the respect of their peers again before they will be able to move offensively in the future.)
   
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Epilogue

Paris 3 september 1901

Premier Jardans Offices.

Premier Jardan
That was interesting, that wordplay between New Swiss and the Middle Kingdom.
Both got allies, and both of them are told "thanks for the help, but you just wasted coal time and manpower on us." I wonder how The Orange republic and Spain will react on this.

Or how long it will take for the New Swiss to try something else to get them into deep shit again.
New Swiss has a good guardian angel if you ask me. First their efforts to insult France and gain a little bit of land , even a worthless speck of sand far away from everything. And then their stubbornness concerning debts and rents.
Oh well, it's how we know and love those political comic relieves. Way more interesting that the decadent stuffy Middle Kingdom.

Monsier Palpaté
In the end, New Swiss lost capital ships, got hurt on army issues. Used a shitload of merchant shipping power. Lost their 2 important tradeports- wich are already replaced by the Germans- and most important, they have shown the world that they are ready to use secret weapons.

Now, the net results for France. The damage on Tegethoff is extensive, it's only the stubbornness of her crew that she isn't at the bottom of the Chinese sea. If not I would suggest that we just give the Habsburgers a new Battleship. But the only we have to give away is France, and that is shackled to it's berth, untill parliament gives the go ahead to finish her, or scrap her. We lost 4 battleships of the force already, and the 6 Dantons are being finished later than expected.

But we learned a lot, and will incorperate those in the refit of the Megenta and Marceau. Closeable ventilation, and ways to detect gas for example. We don't want another, more succesfull Tegethoff attack. More machineguns and searchlights would be nice too.

Just repair Tegethoff, and get her on the way. Geon has a lot to answer for when he arrives.

Premier, I got reports from Indochina that Geon was expecting this, and whatever we decide, he is sure he did the right thing, but to late. And I must admit, he's right. Greater Napoleon would have stayed with the peacefleet. Now it looks af if France was having a hand in the foul play.

We also did some digging on that Agrival person. He was an ACM director, who got "promotion" because his ruthless way of using up his workers, and got to direct the recoaling station on Easter Island. After the ACM had some internal troubles, he disappeared, after slaughtering the rebelious citizens of Easter island, this rebellion started because he started confiscating all consumables . This was because the 2 last supply ships didn't came in. But we do not know where he is now, or what his purposes are. Or even, why did he assault the peace fleet. Worlds most powerfull fleet ever assembled. But he did a lot of damage with some armed freighters and frightened men.
   
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Epilogue 2, Captains cabin, IAS Scout. 1 Sept. 1901, 1200 hours.

Admiral Allen, the captains of Scout and Pioneer, and Captain Newmann are having a small conference. Admiral Allen spoke first.

"Well, here we are. We actually do have a peace agreement between the New Swiss and the Middle Kingdom. That's something. I personally doubt this treaty will last 6 months given the way they feel about each other, but we have accomplished our mission, at least they have a chance now to stop the bloodshed."

"Aye, sir, what about Tegethoff and that French admiral, Geon?" Newmann asked.

"The French have very generously promised to repair Tegethoff at their yard in French Indo China, at their own expense. Admiral Geon has been stripped of his command and will be charged and I presume, severly punished."

"Why?"

"I'm not sure, maybe Dr. Kissingerich can tell us more once he wakes up. I do know from our sources in Paris that the French premier was very unhappy with him, and it was more than just losing that corvette to a mine blast."

"Sir, we owe him. If it hadn't been for him and that French battle-whale towing us, we might not have made it to port."

"I agree. I will contact the emperor, ask him to personally help. Also, we can talk to some sympathetic reporters when we get back, tell them that the hero who saved the peace ship has been unjustly accused."

"Sir I have an idea. Why not let the French know now that that is what we plan to do. Maybe they will see a chance to avoid a scandal by letting him go."

"Good idea. I will talk to the harbor master and the French delegates this afternoon. I want all of you to talk to as many French captains as you can."

"Aye, Aye."

Epilogue 3, Imperial Palace, Vienna, Sept 2 1901 1100 hours.

Emperor Franz Maxmillian III sat at the table with his cabinet and quietly read the reports in front of him.

He looked up, his face a mixture of sadness and determination.

"Well, gentlemen, we have been successful, after all. The New Swiss and Chinese will formally sign the agreement here in two months time. In the meantime the draft treaty has been signed and entered into force on both sides. The war between the Chinese and New Swiss is over."

"I want everything that can be done to help our sick and injured to be done, regardless of expense. A pension is to be paid to the widows and orphans of our dead for the remainder of their lives."

"I want invitations sent to all relevant governments to attend the formal signing. Also, I want to convene an international congress here at the same time to discuss drafting formal laws of land and naval war to be binding on all nations. I have no illusions we have seen the end of warfare, but something can be done to end the kinds of barbarisms we have seen in the New Swiss/Middle Kingdom conflict."

"I want the imperial secret service to ensure the safety of the upcoming conferences. I will have 2 divisions of the imperial guard stationed in Vienna to ensure public safety. I also want every effort made to discover the identity of the nation or organization that attacked Tegethoff."

"Finally, I have a telegram here from Admrial Allen regarding that French admiral who aided us. Inform the French ambassador I would like to see him at once."

"Yes, Your Majesty."

With that the meeting broke up.