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Started by Logi, October 04, 2009, 07:11:30 PM

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Logi

August 1917

Hu Hanmin announces the start of the seizing of land and redistribution. Hu Hanmin ordered the creation of temporary government bureau to overlook the progress, to be called "The Bureau of Agrarian Reform". The government will now begin the process of seizing land from the wealthy land owners and redistributing it amongst the poor farmers. Farmers will be reeducated on new agricultural practices, have their debts slashed from the record, have tariffs imposed to protect their goods from the outside market, and gain access to more effective farm equipment.

Furthermore, Hu Hanmin announces the assembly of all the unemployed to the organization of Public Works. The Public Works shall engage actively in the creation of new irrigation canals, dams, and other earthly works. They shall also assist in the laying down of the railroad tracks specified in the Five-Year Plan for Economic and Industrialization Modernization. They shall assist in the construct of paved roads, the establishment of post offices, village radio towers*, and the construction of new schools.

These new schools, Hu Hanmin explains, shall be paid for by the government. Teachers are being recruited from all over the Republic to serve this cause. Hanmin notes that the purpose of these new schools is to give the people greater knowledge of the world, their circumstances, and to encourage every citizen to work harder and more efficiently.

Hu Hanmin also ordered the reorganization of the armed forces into the Reserved Forces and the Professional Forces. Hu Hanmin reports that such a move would make the Republic no weaker, but allow for greater funding into public works and programs.

* A small radio with an amplifier located in the center of rural villages in order to provide them with news from the world outside of their villages.

hooper82

<_kr4m3r> so many fucking criminals, its bullshit
<foniks`> heh, if we sent all the criminals to some empty continent and just left them there to die
<foniks`> and showed up like 50yrs later like, "sup?"
<foniks`> whatd u think they'd say?
<FoSZoR[bg]> something along the lines of, "G`Day mate"

Logi

OOC: Need I note this is what happens and happens successfully after almost every dynastic change in China's history? This isn't Zimbabwe.

Tanthalas

Quote from: Logi on October 21, 2009, 07:08:08 PM
OOC: Need I note this is what happens and happens successfully after almost every dynastic change in China's history? This isn't Zimbabwe.

Russia never could fead itself under Comunisim, China hasnt honestly done much better.  Land reform generaly dosnt work because the People runing the big farms got big farms by being good at farming.
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

Logi

OOC: Unfortunately the reason why new dynasty always do this is because its a new dynasty. New dynasties many corruption and decadence has gotten to levels its can't be ignored.

The Land Reforms more or less fix this. What happens is that usually the ones with large farms at the end of dynasties got them through underhanded deals, inhumane treatment of farmers, and hoarding the food for themselves.

They USED to be good at farming, but at the end of a dynasty the good farmer has disappeared and been replaced by the corrupt landowner than just grows very fat and wealthy from their toil.

What's proposed here is land reform similar to that which is undertaken at the birth of every new dynasty. In reality is not so much as land reform than purging out the corruption.

Rather fancy way of saying, I'm going to purge corruption in our nation. We like to say, we're redistributing the lands (in reality its more like we find the corrupt landowner and jail/execute him. Then that land is free, who wants it?)

Very strong difference between communism and this. Its not a strict control, we let the people build up large farms again. It just tends that at the end of the dynasty the landowners are useless piles of filth, not the people good at farming.

Tanthalas

so by your reasoning the government should take away the land my great grandfather homesteaded and give it to the general population.  That Logi is Comunisim.
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

The Rock Doctor

The Colombians would agree that corruption has to be stamped out.  They'd also whole-heartedly endorse putting the unemployed to work on useful things that benefit the nation.

Logi

OOC: Then the Chinese have been practicing communism for centuries while Europe was still being overrun by barbarians. Point is, in China it's been done before, over and over again. Its nothing new. It works out quite well to.

Well according to Hu Hanmin, those that don't work don't eat. Fat landowners that hoard food and wealth for no apparent reason other than to buy drugs like opium don't get to eat.

Stop saying my reasoning... This is China's reasoning over the dynasties, its not mine. If it was mine I couldn't care less who's corrupt or not. Back off a bit Tan.

ctwaterman

So all those Officials in the Government not working not eating.... ;D

Ok I can back that

And Logi is correct China Dynastys have gone for what we would to day call Socialist Land reform as a way of publiclly fighinting corruption.  We wont say what happends to the poor farmers who through three generations of work has built up a little wealth... :)  Becoming richer then his neighborhs and can now afford to buy more land and pay someone else to work it for him.

The People who can afford to be absentee land owners can afford to pay the Court to have someone else thrown under the Axe. :o
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Logi

September  24, 1917

The National Constitution of the Republic of China has been drafted and is now only awaiting ratification by the provinces of China!

QuoteThe National Constitution of the Republic of China

We as the citizens of the Reformist Republic of China, in order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessing of liberty to ourselves and the descendants of the state, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the Republic of China.

Article I – Pertaining to the Legislative Branch

Section 1: The Legislature:
All legislative powers hereby granted shall be invested in the Legislative Assembly of the Reformist Republic of China, which shall consist of a House of Representatives, and a House of Commons.

Section 2: The Common:
   The House of Commons shall be composed of members to be chosen bi-annually by the citizens of the provinces of the Republic of China. No person shall be a councilperson who have not attained the age of twenty years, and been five years a citizen of the Reformist Republic of China. Councilperson and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the provinces included within this union, according to their respective numbers. The actual enumeration shall be conducted within two years after the establishment of this constitution and subsequently every ten years afterwards in such a manner as they by law direct. The number of councilpersons shall not exceed one for every hundred thousand, but each province is to have at least one councilperson. Until such an enumeration is made, the province of Guangdong shall be entitled to choose 250, Guangxi 175, Fuijian 125, Zhejiang 150, Jiangsu 250, Anhui 225, Jiangxi 150, Hunan 225, Guizhou 125, Sichuan 300, Yunnan 150. Each councilperson shall have one vote upon the House of Common. When vacancies occur in the representation of any province, the executive authority shall be able to issue an election to fill such vacancies. The House of Commons shall choose their speaker and other officers and shall retain the sole power of Impeachment.

Section 3: The Representative:
   The House of Representatives shall be composed of five Representatives from each province, chosen by election within the provincial legislatures, for six years; and each Representative shall have one vote upon the House of Representatives. Immediately after they are assembled aft of the first election, they shall be divided into three election classes. The seats of the representatives of the first class shall be vacated at the expiration of the second year; the second class shall be vacated at the expiration of the fourth year, and the third class at the sixth year. So the representatives are chosen every second year. No person shall be a representative who has not attained at age of twenty-five years and been seven years a citizen of the Reformist Republic of China. The Vice-President of the Republic of China shall be the President of the House of Representatives, but have no vote, unless the votes are equally divided. The House of Representatives....

OOC: It continues on, some parts are changed, some are omitted, some are kept as is. It looks like the Constitution of the USA because its based on it (although there are quite a few changes, most are so small you wouldn't notice unless you actually compared the two). The beginning parts look relatively the same (Its the House of Commons and Representatives instead of Representatives and Senate), but the ending parts change dramatically. I had the end parts all typed out, but I lost the sheets somewhere :'( Can't be bothered to actually type it out again.

Things to note:
-It says citizen instead of person for a reason.
-The Government is divided into four branches, not three.
-The Legislative Assembly (its not called Congress) is HUGE.
-The government is blind to religion.
-Only Citizens have access to the the great civil rights of the Republic.
-Citizens doesn't distinguish between genders (not said outright, but implied; I see controversy on the horizon)
-The House of Representatives retains the "Republic" part of the Republic-Dictatorship-Democracy fusion. The original US Constitution had this, but was removed.)
-If the government wants you to move so they can build a public building, you have too. However! They must pay you and the price is negotiated (kinda like IRL Hong Kong) : And it MUST be for public works, not private buildings
- All officials had significant paycheck cuts. They retain their benefits however. (They still have enough to live very very comfortably)
- The government has the right to raise national tariffs (tariffs on imported goods nationally) and tariffs are completely eliminated province to province.
- The government can draft civilians into service in severe wartime.

Logi

September 30, 1917

The Constitution has been ratified with an overwhelming majority. The new law is being implemented across the land as the capital shifts to Guangzhou. In Guangzhou, in the outskirts of the city, a Federal Section is being built in as the Constitution required too many legislators for the old building in Macau to accommodate. Guangzhou, which has always been the supreme financial center of China is finally getting its well deserved right as the capital. For ages the corrupt rulers of the North had refused to live in the lower regions, claiming superiority to the South, today Guangzhou finally gets the acclaim it deserves!

Logi

October 5, 1917

The Republic has made excellent progress; of the 8,300km of rails dictated by the Five-Year plan, 4600km has already been constructed. It is expected as more railroads are laid down, the speed of the construction of their rails will also increase.

For the coast, which has already been covered by the new rails, business are reporting huge gains in profits as people from far way journey on the trains for a short range to the marketplaces. Newspapers have been disappearing from the stands and the Republic is prospering. It is expected that with the completion of the 8,300 km of rails mandated, profits will soon soar above a million Yun.

Logi

#42
October 8, 1917

"How funny, these... armored cars from *Censored*. Do you think they will perform well?", General Deng Fung* gestured towards the cars imported from *Censored* for research. "I can not fathom how expensive one of these might be. To think we are putting such expensive assets to fight wars! I can not help but wonder if the Republic's treasury is running low, trying to produce these expensive toys." The men next to him nodded.

The group swirled around when they heard the door creak open, it was Chiang Kai-shek**, in full military attire. "How foolish, you all should know these new weapons will give us the edge over our hostile neighbors. Or would you have us laze in decadent tradition of the Monarchist? I warn you, you must change your obsolete thinking of warfare, new weapons are being produced, the warfare of today is very different from the past. Mobility wins the war."

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The government has ordered 16,000km*** more of rails to be conducted after the completion of the previously order 8,300km. Furthermore the government has ordered the immediately construction of paved roads from the new capital to every other major city in the Republic.



* Fictional character (there are many like him OTL though) - advocate of static defense
**Historically quite an advocate of Mobility Warfare, favored the German blitzkrieg-styled fighting, although OTL he never had a chance to really use use it
*** a cost of $150! It'll bring the RRC's rail way system over two times above OTL China (1/2 of OTL China's railroads were located in Manchuria) In 1945 the Republic had a total of 27,000km of rails|| 13,000 of that was in Manchuria.

Logi

#43
November 15, 1917

The government passed the Coal Act, requiring that coal-firing locomotives be removed from the major cities. The decision was spurred on by the apparent smog and pollution in the largest cities of the Republic. The decision was applauded by intellectuals as a wise move that preempted the problem from becoming a serious concern. Companies, however, were disgruntled by the mandate.

The government has also ordered the Car Importation Act. In which the government is seeking to acquire foreign cars and manufacturers so as to help jump start the car business in the Republic. The government will pay for such importation from states and allow companies to run such businesses in the Republic.

Blooded

Your costs are off. 16Kkm of light rail would be $160, 160Kkm of standard would be $800. Plus the BP(80BP-400BP). I hope this is a long term project. For what it is worth the Trans siberian took decades and major foriegn investment and still cost a fortune.

In the old rules section- not sure why it was removed. As far as I know it is still relevant. I have paid for new RR lines using this.

Economic Infrastructure -  Guidelines for the Merchant Marine and Railways

A country can also build railway lines and merchant marine.
The cost of 1000NRT merchant marine is 0.25BP and $0.25 - the latter is paid from the economic development budget.
0,5BP and $1 can also expand railway network by 20km of heavy standard/broad gauge, 40km of light/meter-gauge or 100km narrow-gauge railway track.  This cost include the rolling stock.
The cost is financed from the economic development budget if it is economically feasible (like connecting valuable mineral deposits to the nearest port), otherwise from the military budget.

The the maximum merchant marine size is (IC+2xBP) times 50k GRT.
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Ahoj!
Railroads, unless expressly stated otherwise, are assumed to run as in OTL. In some cases this is not important - Norman Britain, France, or continental Baltic Leage, where it may be safely assumed that there is a RR within spitting distance.
But in the colonies or less developed countries this counts.
Borys
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Also it would be a benefit to see the history of diesel locomotives, even wiki should do.
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