Kaiserlich und Koeniglich Wienner Zeitung - 1917

hooper82 · November 05, 2009, 02:33:59 PM

OOC: Summer 1917

Request Granted, expect IC early next week.

TexanCowboy · November 05, 2009, 03:30:54 PM

OOC: Slavery doesn't exist in the CSA. They are seen as underservents, aka, 1940's style.

IC: Any reports of runaway slaves joining the Heer will be met with harsh consequences.

The Rock Doctor · November 05, 2009, 05:48:33 PM

That confuses me.

TexanCowboy · November 05, 2009, 05:50:56 PM

Slavery was abolished in 1898. At the moment, they are seen as they were in OTL pre-Rosa Parks days. I plan to grant them more freedom.

Tanthalas · November 05, 2009, 07:52:03 PM

Quote from: TexanCowboy on November 05, 2009, 05:50:56 PM
Slavery was abolished in 1898. At the moment, they are seen as they were in OTL pre-Rosa Parks days. I plan to grant them more freedom.

so 19 years ago there were still slaves in the CSA, Have you considerd that that isnt even a full generation? or the conditions Former slaves were still under in 1917 OTL? Your CSA is the South of Jim Crow, the The Knights Party, Nathan Forest, And you dont have the power the Federal government had OTL to force changes to state laws (the CSA is a Confederation so any state can pull out at any time).

Problems in the Estern CSA curently revolve around Issues like Education inequality, Property Laws, Voting Rights, Criminal Law enforcement. The List goes on and on and realisticly there is nothing you can do about any of it.

TexanCowboy · November 05, 2009, 07:53:48 PM

In this timeline? I though it was similar to the US?

Tanthalas · November 05, 2009, 07:57:49 PM

Quote from: TexanCowboy on November 05, 2009, 07:53:48 PM
In this timeline? I though it was similar to the US?

Nope, its a Confederation. The Federal Government has little real power internaly, Hell somewhere there is a story about how the Railroad was paid for. its actualy interesting reading. Now in matters outside the CSA the governments power is about absolute but internaly the states can ignore any law you pass if they dont like it.

Guinness · November 05, 2009, 08:10:55 PM

Well, at least in my mind "states rights" in the CSA was slowly eroding similar to how power in the US has slowly migrated toward Washington, but that would certainly be a long process. Similarly, while in theory any state can leave the CSA, it's another matter for one to actually *try* it. Though now that I think about it, I'm not sure anyone would really miss Florida...

All that said, in my time at the helm I admittedly chose not to concentrate on the numerous internal problems we might expect, and especially with the entire issue of race in general. This is probably mostly a reflection of the fact that having been born and raised in the City to Busy to Hate issues of race are a constant one in my own life. Though I constantly felt the pull to try to write about race in the CSA, I just couldn't seem to cook anything up that didn't resonate as too modern or too cliched.

I'd like to add to Tanthalas's list of interesting potential issues one of labor organization too. Today we think of the south as "anti-labor", but it got that way certainly not for lack of people trying to organize unions in the South. In the nverse where the CSA is significantly more industrialized than the OTL American south, I think one can expect a much stronger labor movement. It might also be expected to be racially charged, since many unskilled jobs that whites might be doing could just as easily be done by blacks, but for less money.

All food for thought :)

Desertfox · November 05, 2009, 09:14:52 PM

QuoteSimilarly, while in theory any state can leave the CSA, it's another matter for one to actually *try* it. Though now that I think about it, I'm not sure anyone would really miss Florida...

Hmm...

maddox · November 06, 2009, 12:26:36 AM

OOC, it was untill the 60's that seggregation in the US was abolished. And even now, you find groups of people so prejudiced, they will harras their chosen victims mercilessly.

Also, malcontents you find everywere, and its a question of "keep them silent" or "give them a vocal cord". Democracies tend to go for the vocal part, even if the platitudes are blatant lies.

In relevance to the Nverse, if the Hapsburgers recrute a guy who says he was a slave, there is only the "legal side of the CSA" that can tell the Hapsburgers that the recrute is a liar. And even then, it's possible that the previous employer was a slaver, just paying a wage according to the legal situation.

Related to these 2 postings.

Borys · November 06, 2009, 12:41:06 AM

partly OOC
Ahoj!
If a stray inhabitant of the CSA is in fact Tom Brown, a negro who owns a major sum of money to James Callaghan, the Habsburgs care diddy for that. He signed up as Patrik Swayer - and the trail stops at the recruitment centre.
The same applies to recruits from any other country. The AFL takes in everybody ...
Borys

Sachmle · November 06, 2009, 01:11:12 AM

Quote from: Borys on November 06, 2009, 12:41:06 AMThe AFL takes in everybody ...
Borys

AFL Slogan seen on signs near the CSA/UNK border

QuoteGive me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, so I may teach them to kill for the Blood God.

:D :D :D :D

TexanCowboy · November 06, 2009, 03:39:00 PM

A new group to hate. The Anahuac's. At least in Texas, as they stream across the border. ;D

Kaiser Kirk · November 06, 2009, 04:15:44 PM

OOC : I am puzzled why the UNK chooses to accept a Hapsburg recruiting station. Presumably if such was acceptable to the CSA, the station would be located there. Instead placing it just outside the CSA creates the impression the CSA did not want such, and the UNK is allowing it. Considering the CSA and UNK are allies under Nassau, and haven't had any published rift in relations, it seems strange.

maddox · November 06, 2009, 09:00:39 PM

Good Q Kaiser Kirk... France doesn't know anything of this situation.