ICE Tech

[The Rock Doctor]

Those advocating compensation - please feel free to elaborate on what you have in mind.

[Borys]

Those advocating compensation - please feel free to elaborate on what you have in mind.

Cuba.
And Jamaica.




:D
Seriously - either:
a/ some headstart in ICE related techs
b/ a few HYs of free research

Borys

[The Rock Doctor]

*Smites Borys*

[Borys]

Ahoj!
I will proudly show your smite marks to my buddies!
Borys

[The Rock Doctor]

I'm sure they'll be jealous.

[Kaiser Kirk]

Those advocating compensation - please feel free to elaborate on what you have in mind.

Alternate techs of the equivalent research level. Basically, what you could have researched instead of ICE/MTB.
I.e., the 1910 level would be exchanged for any techs researchable in 1910 or earlier.  The same all up and down that tech tree.   

[Korpen]

Those advocating compensation - please feel free to elaborate on what you have in mind.

Alternate techs of the equivalent research level. Basically, what you could have researched instead of ICE/MTB.
I.e., the 1910 level would be exchanged for any techs researchable in 1910 or earlier.  The same all up and down that tech tree.   

Think that will have far too large an impact, after all, most player countries got the 1910 engine tech. Also there have been use of the older engine techs. So I think at most som research bonus like +20% sucess on a tech or two. Given an entire tech would stricly speaking also benefit the ones that traded for the tech most.

1914 tech I do think should be compensated in full as that would have a much smaller impact.

[Kaiser Kirk]

I at least had to specifically research the 1910 tech, completing in HY2, 1913, which allowed me to immediately start the 1914 tech, which was completed in HY2 1915. This seemed suited to 'German engineering'.

Given an entire tech would stricly speaking also benefit the ones that traded for the tech most.

Then they would have traded for something else, or not have done the trade.

[ledeper]

throw in the towel ??? ???

[Korpen]

I at least had to specifically research the 1910 tech, completing in HY2, 1913, which allowed me to immediately start the 1914 tech, which was completed in HY2 1915. This seemed suited to 'German engineering'.

Given an entire tech would stricly speaking also benefit the ones that traded for the tech most.

Then they would have traded for something else, or not have done the trade.

Perhaps, but the tech chosen will be what people think they need now, not what they needed back in 1911. I do think that if changes of tech happen it should be restricted to the ICE –tech related branches (Submarines, Aircrafts and Motorisation) as that will at least preserve the overall "feel". But I do not like making changes to things that have already happened, so I think something like "getting a auto-success on the tech roll for any one  Submarine, Aircraft and Motorisation tech" or less extreme a +20% success rate on any one would work better, as that looks forward.

[The Rock Doctor]

Thanks for these suggestions - Mods are discussing.

[Carthaginian]

Think that will have far too large an impact, after all, most player countries got the 1910 engine tech. Also there have been use of the older engine techs. So I think at most som research bonus like +20% sucess on a tech or two. Given an entire tech would stricly speaking also benefit the ones that traded for the tech most.

1914 tech I do think should be compensated in full as that would have a much smaller impact.

Uhm... the work lost by researching while others did not is equivalent- we worked on something and you did not. We are getting an equal amount of research for that time/money invested.

That is the only fair way to get it done.

Anything else and you are getting too much of an advantage- if you insist that there be no compensation, then you should have to develop at least one further tech level of ICE tech before being able to cease research.

6 years of research is a lot to loose while others gain it's benefits instantly.

[Korpen]

Think that will have far too large an impact, after all, most player countries got the 1910 engine tech. Also there have been use of the older engine techs. So I think at most som research bonus like +20% sucess on a tech or two. Given an entire tech would stricly speaking also benefit the ones that traded for the tech most.

1914 tech I do think should be compensated in full as that would have a much smaller impact.

Uhm... the work lost by researching while others did not is equivalent- we worked on something and you did not. We are getting an equal amount of research for that time/money invested.

That is the only fair way to get it done.

Anything else and you are getting too much of an advantage- if you insist that there be no compensation, then you should have to develop at least one further tech level of ICE tech before being able to cease research.

6 years of research is a lot to loose while others gain it's benefits instantly.

You are labouring under the false assumption that I (and many with me) never invested any in ICE tech, the fact is  that the ONLY country ahead of me in ICE tech is Bavaria. Almost all player countries have invested equally as they are at the same tech level. But you seems to think it is only a select few that have ICE tech and that it is a significant advantage.

[Carthaginian]

No, I seem to think that a select few are getting 'something for nothing'- a few which are largely ALLIED or FRIENDLY. I do not give a flying rodent's posterior about who they are or how many- getting something for nothing when so many HAVE researched it the fair way is WRONG.


I have no problem with the elimination of ICE tech as long as the techs are researched to the level of the HIGHEST TECH POSSESSED BY A NATION rather than the lowest. THAT is the fair way to eliminate the tech.

[Guinness]

Can we have a timeout here please? We're working on coming up with compensation for those who researched the tech now. Please give the Mods a chance to work the issue, though. Real life, etc. intervenes sometimes (including it being absolutely freaking gorgeous out in Atlanta this weekend, so I've been goofing off).