Question-Foreign Aid

[Kaiser Kirk]

The past HY I dedicated some Foreign Aid $ to rebuilding poor Greece.

There are other nations, which happen to be unplayed, which Bavaria would like to be closer to.  Rumania and Persia are on that list, and there might be others when I look around.

Would it be unreasonable or disallowed to simply budget to send those nations some $ and worry about what exactly that means when and if they become played?

[Tanthalas]

I dont see why not, after all i was flooding egypt with cash (course I was planing an invasion ^.^ )

[P3D]

Where there are at least two other player countries involved it might be problematic. Persia has strong economical relations to Orange, and most Persian oilfields are under Orange and Iberian control.

[Kaiser Kirk]

Ahh good thing I asked. Yeah if there are two countries heavily involved there, it won't work. I will look elsewhere than Persia. Also, actually *reading* I see Rumania is pretty much a Russian province.

I may just scuttle this notion :)

[Borys]

And Romania pissed off the Habsburgs and is under economic blockade.
Borys

[Talos]

I dont see why not, after all i was flooding egypt with cash (course I was planing an invasion ^.^ )

Wait, cash? Show me the money!

[Tanthalas]

I dont see why not, after all i was flooding egypt with cash (course I was planing an invasion ^.^ )

Wait, cash? Show me the money!

LOL before your time (and my most recent deployment) had it worked well Italia would be a far larger power than they are (and Egypt wouldnt exist at all LOL)

[Korpen]

And Romania pissed off the Habsburgs and is under economic blockade.
Borys

And how does the de facto closing of the Donau affect the Habsburgs?

[P3D]

My guesses:
- a shortage of oil products (gasoline, petroleum) in Europe, esp. in countries relying on Romanian oil. This includes Habsburg, BC, and Italy - add in the falling out of Ottoman fields. Italy and BC are POd by Habsburgs.
- long-term loss of export markets (-IC) due to Romania looking for trade alternatives after the Bosporus is opened. Romania should be affected similarly. Still hurts Romania more.
- some unrest among the Romanian ethnicity in Transylvania
- Austria must find a new reliable source of oil as the Galizian fields cannot cover the increasing internal demand, and Romanian oil might be subject to embargo in the future.
- The Roman-Bulgar czardom making closer ties with Turkey, Ukraine, Russia and France.

Reminder to Rocky: revisit oil resources distribution

[Borys]

And Romania pissed off the Habsburgs and is under economic blockade.
Borys

And how does the de facto closing of the Donau affect the Habsburgs?

Maybe greater importance of Thessaloniki?
The Danube Iron Gate rapids had been blasted not so long ago, and barge traffic although possible, is:
a/ new
b/ not so easy

And closign the Danube would lead to clsoing of Habsburg RR - at the moment the Vlach-Bulgars simplty have to pay through the nose for transit.
Borys

[Borys]

My guesses:
- a shortage of oil products (gasoline, petroleum) in Europe, esp. in countries relying on Romanian oil. This includes Habsburg, BC, and Italy - add in the falling out of Ottoman fields. Italy and BC are POd by Habsburgs.

I rely on Romanian oil?

- long-term loss of export markets (-IC) due to Romania looking for trade alternatives after the Bosporus is opened. Romania should be affected similarly. Still hurts Romania more.

I lose money due to loss of Romanian transit? Sounds reasonable, but let's not go overboard ... 0,5$?

- some unrest among the Romanian ethnicity in Transylvania

Possible, but not a given - will try to write something about it.

- Austria must find a new reliable source of oil as the Galizian fields cannot cover the increasing internal demand, and Romanian oil might be subject to embargo in the future.

I suppose that current exporters are:
- CSA
- UNK
- Russia

- The Roman-Bulgar Czardom making closer ties with Turkey, Ukraine, Russia and France.

The closer ties with the Ottomans is what got them the embargo ... another possible scenario is the hanging of the guys who denied the Habsburgs the passage of troops in August 1912 and begging for forgiveness. Joining the Habsburg-Iberia coalition would had given Vlach-Bulgaria access to the Aegan Sea - so that decision gave Romano-Bulgaria nothing (that I know off) but a cold winter.

Borys

[Korpen]

. Joining the Habsburg-Iberia coalition would had given Vlach-Bulgaria access to the Aegan Sea - so that decision gave Romano-Bulgaria nothing (that I know off) but a cold winter.

Well it DID give them allot of friends in Europe, standing up to evil is always popular. :)
*goes assigning some investment to Romania*

My guesses:
- a shortage of oil products (gasoline, petroleum) in Europe, esp. in countries relying on Romanian oil. This includes Habsburg, BC, and Italy - add in the falling out of Ottoman fields. Italy and BC are POd by Habsburgs.

BC should not be severely affected, if nothing else oil barges can go trough Ukraine to the Baltic sea (Dnieper-Bug canal).

The European interior waterways are huge trade channels, according the old encyclopaedias  (Encyclopaedia Britannica & Nordisk familjabok) some of  ports on the Rhine handle more shipping then Trieste or Genoa. In fact going by their numbers, the largest port in Bavaria would be Mannheim.

[Borys]

I guess that BS = BC?
The Dnepr-Bug canal is not particularly large. Due to the quantities involved, I think that rail is the best option.
Borys

[maddox]

I think we'll see the first dedicated tankers sailing down the Bosporus then.

[Korpen]

I guess that BS = BC?

Yes, corrected that and added some musings.

The Dnepr-Bug canal is not particularly large. Due to the quantities involved, I think that rail is the best option.
Borys

Maybe not, but it one route that is probably cheaper then rail, even if it got limited capacity.