Question-Foreign Aid

ctwaterman · August 31, 2008, 06:29:10 AM

My Oil is comming out of the Black Sea Ports and through the Bosporus at the moment. It certainly isnt comming overland. So yes Dedicated Tankers do sail through the Bosporus. Not very large ones but then they dont have to be as its such a short trip.

Now in the Future there will be another supplyer for Italia Oil. Investing in relatively large by WW1 standard dedicated tankers and going to see if we can get the UNK and CSA to deliver the oil halfway.

Charles

miketr · August 31, 2008, 08:55:56 AM

Quote from: P3D on August 30, 2008, 06:11:41 PM
Where there are at least two other player countries involved it might be problematic. Persia has strong economical relations to Orange, and most Persian oilfields are under Orange and Iberian control.

??? Not that I mind but when I looked into getting access to the Persian Oil fields I was told you had them locked up. Exports is one thing but I thought control was clearly in your hands.

Michael

P3D · August 31, 2008, 10:11:10 AM

Quote from: miketr on August 31, 2008, 08:55:56 AM

??? Not that I mind but when I looked into getting access to the Persian Oil fields I was told you had them locked up. Exports is one thing but I thought control was clearly in your hands.

I sent you a PM back then that Orange would not object Iberian investments there. Guess it was lost.

Getting the oil from Romania to BC through Ukraine was not an option due to a short-lived unrest - which was triggering the Austrian embargo the first time as Romania was blocked from access from everybody but Russia and restive Ukraine.

Borys:
You lost money due to the reciprocating Romanian embargo of Habsburg goods which was far from popular as the Ottoman market was also lost.

Guinness · August 31, 2008, 10:45:39 AM

Quote from: ctwaterman on August 31, 2008, 06:29:10 AM
My Oil is comming out of the Black Sea Ports and through the Bosporus at the moment. It certainly isnt comming overland. So yes Dedicated Tankers do sail through the Bosporus. Not very large ones but then they dont have to be as its such a short trip.

Now in the Future there will be another supplyer for Italia Oil. Investing in relatively large by WW1 standard dedicated tankers and going to see if we can get the UNK and CSA to deliver the oil halfway.

Charles

I understand Italia building some oilers for fleet supply, but tanker fleets both directions should really be part of MM. I also expect, though haven't done any work on the subject, that the CSA has a MM significant in size, a good percentage of which is likely tanker stock, considering all the Oil exporting the CSA is doing.

So no need to meet half way, I don't think, CSA flagged ships are likely delivering to your doorstep, and I'll bet enterprising Italian shipping magnates are probably building larger longer-legged tankers to bring oil home from as well.

The Rock Doctor · August 31, 2008, 10:53:03 AM

QuoteReminder to Rocky: revisit oil resources distribution

I'll revisit this for 1/14. Too much other stuff to deal with in the interim.

The current state of the Romanian economy is an interesting question. I'll have to think on it.

In the interim - foreign aid will probably cause an NPC to become more favorably inclined to the donor, which could be useful later on. Foreign investments - the GC/Hapsburger model of investing in places like Brazil - can also lead to closer ties down the road. It's largely a matter of roleplaying the scenario out.

Kaiser Kirk · August 31, 2008, 01:17:01 PM

I seemed to have kicked the hornets nest :)

However, if Rumania was embargoed and has severed markets and an economic impact, that seems like a investment opportunity worth annoying the Hapsburgs. Now if only we can get the Ukraine to calm down so goods can be shipped overland as well.

Anyone mucking about with the Mughals or Siam? Or Ghana?

Tanthalas · August 31, 2008, 01:25:34 PM

when I was playing before the NS had a prolonged presence in Siam (id imagine they still do especialy with the weakend MK)

Desertfox · August 31, 2008, 04:51:25 PM

NS sent foreign aid to Siam, New Zion, California (while it was still independant), and New Beleriand (Rohan, kind of).

Kaiser Kirk · September 01, 2008, 11:27:39 AM

Well the principle appears to be there.

I want Bavaria to be "reaching out" to various nations and try to forge some active oversea links.

I did have a thought as to an alternate to aiding Rumania if the Habsburgs really object. Some nation hurt by war, with territory wrested away, owning oilfields by in the fertile crescent..... however that would likely go over extremely poorly :)

P3D · September 01, 2008, 12:51:59 PM

Quote from: Kaiser Kirk on September 01, 2008, 11:27:39 AM
Well the principle appears to be there.

I want Bavaria to be "reaching out" to various nations and try to forge some active oversea links.

I did have a thought as to an alternate to aiding Rumania if the Habsburgs really object. Some nation hurt by war, with territory wrested away, owning oilfields by in the fertile crescent..... however that would likely go over extremely poorly :)

Reach out for some tribes in Western Africa. You might even get a colony if you ask the mods nice.

Kaiser Kirk · September 01, 2008, 03:10:21 PM

The Bavarians are a little late to the colonization party, but I have a mostly complete revision of HY1,1913 which includes a little bit of money to explore opportunities the Ghana region. The 'enclave' model such as historical seen in China might be more effective in establishing a Bavarian presence overseas. Which then gives a bigger reason for a merchant marine, and an actual navy somewhere in the distant future....

The Rock Doctor · September 01, 2008, 04:41:50 PM

Tardiness shouldn't deter the Bavarians from trying for colonies if they are so inclined.

Borys · September 02, 2008, 10:19:37 PM

Tankers - thing is that I believe that oil from Baku did not go out by pipeline, but by RR. Maybe Italy is far away enough as to make reloading at Rostov (or thereabouts) viable.
Eliminates gauge break too.
Although 5" tracks run from Baku to Triest ...

Borys

ctwaterman · September 03, 2008, 04:08:33 AM

I figure my ships are visiting Constana or Varna or even Batumi to load oil right now. In the Future they will be larger tankers loading in places like New Orleans, Norfolk, Baltamore the Oil Ports of the CSA south west and the UNK PA Oil fields.

Hey who owns that large pink splotch off the straits of Gibraltar in the Mid Atlantic.... is the UNK or is that the mystical Atlantis....?????

Charles

Korpen · September 03, 2008, 04:26:29 AM

Quote from: Borys on September 02, 2008, 10:19:37 PM
Tankers - thing is that I believe that oil from Baku did not go out by pipeline, but by RR. Maybe Italy is far away enough as to make reloading at Rostov (or thereabouts) viable.
Eliminates gauge break too.
Although 5" tracks run from Baku to Triest ...

Borys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku-Batumi_pipeline
Construction started in 1897, completed in 1906, worlds longets piplein when built.