Which, if any of these would you build?

[Sachmle]

Images based on parts by Wes Wilson, modified by me.

[Valles]

Overall, I like the Coronel. The thinner deck is a strive vs. Almirante, but the main battery layout is much better. Also, cheaper. Rivadavia would never even be in the running.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
I'm not excited by neither.
The battleships are simply too weakly armed. Such hulls, or minimally larger, with a minimal cut of speed, can carry 8-10 13,5" guns.
The Armoured Cruiser (Almirante Seydlitz?) does carry some merit.

Borys

[Sachmle]

It's becoming very obvious that w/o bigger guns I'm going to be out of the battleship game. Perhaps it's for the best, I really don't have the BP to be building them. Maybe I'll switch to a Juene Ecole navy. Build a mass of D-100 & D-200s and a nice group of Neuva and Toreador PCs.

[Korpen]

It's becoming very obvious that w/o bigger guns I'm going to be out of the battleship game.

Why not just buy the guns aboard? If only needing 8-10 big guns, I think it would be cheaper then developing them yourself even if the seller has a 100% profit margin.

Otherwise i am inclined to agree with borys, none of the designs are really a god investment in my mind. 
They are all lacking in horizontal protection, and/or hitting power.

[Desertfox]

The battleships pack the same firepower as the Swiss Independance class at a higher cost but much lower speed (7 knots). I wouldn't bother with any of them. The battlecruiser on the other hand... Now THAT ship I would build.

[Jefgte]

Nice drawings  ;)

I agree with Borys, for a 1912 LD, they have not enough fire power
A full boardside with 4T2x13"5 (Oviedo)
or 5T2x12" (Rivadavia) is the minimum.
(6T2x12" are better).
I prefer Rivadavia with BB protection


Jef  ;)

[P3D]

Rivadavia with 8x11", 27kts and 1.5" TBH. I'd build two of her class instead of the slow cruisers on the other thread.

[Sachmle]

Rivadavia with 8x11", 27kts and 1.5" TBH. I'd build two of her class instead of the slow cruisers on the other thread.

Something like this?

Bernadino Rivadavia, NUS Armoured Cruiser laid down 1914 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   18,000 t light; 18,834 t standard; 20,275 t normal; 21,428 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.00 ft / 557.00 ft x 86.00 ft x 28.00 ft (normal load)
   169.77 m / 169.77 m x 26.21 m  x 8.53 m

Armament:
      8 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (4x2 guns), 650.00lbs / 294.84kg shells, 1890 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      14 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     14 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      10 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1905 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
     10 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      3 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1905 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 6,735 lbs / 3,055 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 110
   4 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   393.00 ft / 119.79 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   2.00" / 51 mm   164.00 ft / 49.99 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   393.00 ft / 119.79 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.50" / 38 mm   393.00 ft / 119.79 m   28.00 ft / 8.53 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      9.00" / 229 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   3rd:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 72,559 shp / 54,129 Kw = 27.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,593 tons

Complement:
   849 - 1,104

Cost:
   £2.249 million / $8.996 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 871 tons, 4.3 %
   Armour: 6,434 tons, 31.7 %
      - Belts: 2,719 tons, 13.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 611 tons, 3.0 %
      - Armament: 1,731 tons, 8.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,213 tons, 6.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 160 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 2,893 tons, 14.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,507 tons, 37.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,275 tons, 11.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 295 tons, 1.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     26,591 lbs / 12,062 Kg = 40.0 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 4.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 16.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.17

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.529
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.48 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.60 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -7.13 degrees
   Stern overhang: -4.00 ft / -1.22 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forecastle (16 %):   24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Mid (80 %):      24.00 ft / 7.32 m (16.00 ft / 4.88 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Stern:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:   22.40 ft / 6.83 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 108.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 172.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 32,783 Square feet or 3,046 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 153 lbs/sq ft or 749 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.99
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

250 tons for F/C
25 tons for W/T
20 tons for 20 18" Torpedoes

[Jefgte]

What do you want to built
a BB or a BC ?


Jef  ;)

[Sachmle]

BOTH!! :D Unfortunately I probably can't afford either.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Looks good.
But I'd scale back armour, to:
- Belt - 6-7"
- turret face - 8"
- barbettes - 7"

Borys

[The Rock Doctor]

I can't, given my current location, see the image you posted at the top of the thread.  However, my comments would generally be:

-If you're going to lose the numbers game anyway, it's better to focus on the quality of the ships you do build.

-Consult with your larger allies, who may be able to help out in some of the non-core functions/areas you need covered.  For example, you might be able to concentrate on battleships if assured that Gran Colombia would, in certain scenarios, provide armored cruiser support to you.

[Sachmle]

Sorry, forgot some can't see Photobucket everywhere. Here's the SS reports.

Almirante Brown, NUS Battleship laid down 1914 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   22,155 t light; 23,597 t standard; 25,230 t normal; 26,537 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.00 ft / 557.00 ft x 92.91 ft x 28.00 ft (normal load)
   169.77 m / 169.77 m x 28.32 m  x 8.53 m

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,045.00lbs / 474.00kg shells, 1911 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1,045.00lbs / 474.00kg shells, 1911 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side ends, evenly spread
      18 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 1906 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     14 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
   Weight of broadside 14,340 lbs / 6,505 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 110
   4 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   314.00 ft / 95.71 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   8.00" / 203 mm   240.00 ft / 73.15 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     3.00 ft / 0.91 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   8.00" / 203 mm   240.00 ft / 73.15 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 87 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.50" / 38 mm   314.00 ft / 95.71 m   29.00 ft / 8.84 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   13.0" / 330 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   3rd:   6.00" / 152 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 3.50" / 89 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 26,774 shp / 19,974 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 6,500nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,940 tons (60% coal)

Complement:
   1,000 - 1,301

Cost:
   £2.429 million / $9.715 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,539 tons, 6.1 %
   Armour: 10,169 tons, 40.3 %
      - Belts: 4,366 tons, 17.3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 505 tons, 2.0 %
      - Armament: 2,602 tons, 10.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,472 tons, 9.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 222 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,129 tons, 4.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,893 tons, 35.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,075 tons, 12.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 425 tons, 1.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     34,347 lbs / 15,579 Kg = 39.8 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 6.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
   Metacentric height 5.6 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 16.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.58
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.28

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.609
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.60 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -3.59 degrees
   Stern overhang: -4.00 ft / -1.22 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forecastle (21 %):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Stern:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 116.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 38,184 Square feet or 3,547 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 175 lbs/sq ft or 853 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.41
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

250t F/C
25t W/T
20t Torpedoes
30t Crew Comfort Measures
100t Construction Reserve
__________________________________________________________________

Coronel Oviedo, NUS Battleship laid down 1914 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   19,270 t light; 20,382 t standard; 21,393 t normal; 22,202 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.00 ft / 554.00 ft x 92.40 ft x 28.00 ft (normal load)
   169.77 m / 168.86 m x 28.16 m  x 8.53 m

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,045.00lbs / 474.00kg shells, 1913 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,045.00lbs / 474.00kg shells, 1913 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, all amidships
      20 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 1913 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
     20 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1913 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 10,468 lbs / 4,748 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 110
   4 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   360.00 ft / 109.73 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   8.00" / 203 mm   194.00 ft / 59.13 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   8.00" / 203 mm   360.00 ft / 109.73 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.50" / 38 mm   360.00 ft / 109.73 m   32.00 ft / 9.75 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   13.0" / 330 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   3rd:   6.00" / 152 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 2 shafts, 23,557 shp / 17,573 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 6,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,821 tons (58% coal)

Complement:
   883 - 1,149

Cost:
   £1.939 million / $7.755 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,148 tons, 5.4 %
   Armour: 8,861 tons, 41.4 %
      - Belts: 4,725 tons, 22.1 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 639 tons, 3.0 %
      - Armament: 2,009 tons, 9.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,288 tons, 6.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 199 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 992 tons, 4.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,775 tons, 36.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,123 tons, 9.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 495 tons, 2.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     32,901 lbs / 14,924 Kg = 38.1 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 6.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
   Metacentric height 5.9 ft / 1.8 m
   Roll period: 15.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.41
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.35

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.522
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.54 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.63 degrees
   Stern overhang: -2.00 ft / -0.61 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Stern:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 77.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 120.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 34,816 Square feet or 3,235 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 165 lbs/sq ft or 805 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.55
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

250t F/C
25t W/T
20t Torpedoes
200t Construction Reserve
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Bernadino Rivadavia, NUS Armoured Cruiser laid down 1914 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   18,555 t light; 19,507 t standard; 20,987 t normal; 22,171 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   540.00 ft / 540.00 ft x 88.00 ft x 26.50 ft (normal load)
   164.59 m / 164.59 m x 26.82 m  x 8.08 m

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (3x2 guns), 666.00lbs / 302.09kg shells, 1914 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
      4 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (2x2 guns), 666.00lbs / 302.09kg shells, 1914 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, all amidships
      14 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 1906 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     14 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      10 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1905 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
     10 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      3 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1905 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 8,195 lbs / 3,717 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 110
   2 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   372.56 ft / 113.56 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   2.00" / 51 mm   167.41 ft / 51.03 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   372.56 ft / 113.56 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 106 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.00" / 25 mm   372.56 ft / 113.56 m   28.00 ft / 8.53 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   11.0" / 279 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   3rd:   4.00" / 102 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   4th:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 66,765 shp / 49,806 Kw = 26.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,663 tons

Complement:
   871 - 1,133

Cost:
   £2.410 million / $9.641 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,038 tons, 4.9 %
   Armour: 6,465 tons, 30.8 %
      - Belts: 2,626 tons, 12.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 386 tons, 1.8 %
      - Armament: 2,024 tons, 9.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,266 tons, 6.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 164 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 2,662 tons, 12.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,040 tons, 38.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,432 tons, 11.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 1.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     28,308 lbs / 12,840 Kg = 42.5 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 4.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 16.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.62
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.16

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.583
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.14 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.24 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -7.13 degrees
   Stern overhang: -4.00 ft / -1.22 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forecastle (16 %):   24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Mid (84 %):      24.00 ft / 7.32 m (16.00 ft / 4.88 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (16 %):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Stern:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:   22.74 ft / 6.93 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 106.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 179.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 34,216 Square feet or 3,179 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 163 lbs/sq ft or 793 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.07
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

250 tons for F/C
25 tons for W/T
51 tons Reserve Weight
24 tons for 24 18" Torpedoes

[Borys]

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The MB is narrow, but on the thick side. Above it everything is armoured.
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Borys

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1914 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   16 303 t light; 17 149 t standard; 18 516 t normal; 19 609 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   550,00 ft / 550,00 ft x 83,00 ft x 26,00 ft (normal load)
   167,64 m / 167,64 m x 25,30 m  x 7,92 m

Armament:
      2 - 11,00" / 279 mm guns (1x2 guns), 650,00lbs / 294,84kg shells, 1914 Model
     Breech loading guns in a turret (on a barbette)
     on centreline forward, all raised guns
      6 - 11,00" / 279 mm guns (3x2 guns), 650,00lbs / 294,84kg shells, 1914 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
      12 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1914 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      10 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1914 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
     4 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
   Weight of broadside 6 535 lbs / 2 964 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   4 - 20,0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6,00" / 152 mm   430,00 ft / 131,06 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   120,00 ft / 36,58 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
   Upper:   5,00" / 127 mm   430,00 ft / 131,06 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 120% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,50" / 38 mm   430,00 ft / 131,06 m   44,00 ft / 13,41 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8,00" / 203 mm   5,00" / 127 mm      6,00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   8,00" / 203 mm   5,00" / 127 mm      6,00" / 152 mm
   3rd:   4,00" / 102 mm         -         1,00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 8,00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 69 362 shp / 51 744 Kw = 27,00 kts
   Range 8 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 461 tons

Complement:
   793 - 1 031

Cost:
   £2,122 million / $8,487 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 844 tons, 4,6%
   Armour: 5 452 tons, 29,4%
      - Belts: 1 935 tons, 10,5%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1 050 tons, 5,7%
      - Armament: 1 172 tons, 6,3%
      - Armour Deck: 1 174 tons, 6,3%
      - Conning Tower: 121 tons, 0,7%
   Machinery: 2 766 tons, 14,9%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 941 tons, 37,5%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 213 tons, 12,0%
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1,6%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     21 964 lbs / 9 963 Kg = 33,0 x 11,0 " / 279 mm shells or 3,7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 4,5 ft / 1,4 m
   Roll period: 16,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,56
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,546
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,63 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      28,00 ft / 8,53 m
      - Forecastle (40%):   24,00 ft / 7,32 m
      - Mid (50%):      20,00 ft / 6,10 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   20,00 ft / 6,10 m
      - Stern:      20,00 ft / 6,10 m
      - Average freeboard:   22,44 ft / 6,84 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 116,5%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 155,9%
   Waterplane Area: 31 740 Square feet or 2 949 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 147 lbs/sq ft or 718 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,93
      - Longitudinal: 1,97
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform