Bavaria

[Kaiser Kirk]

Greetings Folks,

Well after thinking and considering and generally being quite indecisive, I found that I wanted both the Mughals and Bavarians. But that isn't a good option.

The Mughals are interesting, and have things to do near term, but once they achieve the goals I see for them...they will still be underdeveloped, backward, and isolated.

The Bavarians are a little less interesting short term, but have more promise overall.

So, I'd like to request to play Bavaria if thats ok.

-Kirk

[Sachmle]

I vote "Aye".

[ledeper]

Fine by me  :)

[Borys]

Aye

[The Rock Doctor]

Sounds good.  I'll get you Mod access to the Bavarian board in case you need to edit any existing posts there.

[miketr]

Something you might find interesting...

This is from the Biography of the Iberian Emperor, Jaime I. 

"During 1898 while on leave in Munich Jaime met Princess Mathilde von Bayern of the Wittelsbach Family.  The two became close and it is rumored that Jaime proposed but pressure from the Spanish Government and Mathilde own family caused the engagement to be broken off.

In 1902 Spain was plunged into the red terror and a number of areas rose in revolt.  With Austrian support Carlos raised the standard of Carlism once more in Spain.  Jaime along with his uncle Alfonso joined Carlos in the campaign to restore legitimate Bourbon line to the throne of Spain.  The fighting dragged on till 1903 when it was ended by treaty and Spain was split along the old fifteenth century lines and the Kingdom of Aragon is restored with Carlos as its king and Jaime as heir apparent.  The campaign saw Jaime taking personal part in the fighting.

With the Carlist fortune undergoing a massive reversal Jaime once more proposed to Mathilde and this time the marriage went forward.  In late 1903 the couple was married in a lavish ceremony in Barcelona's Cathedral of Santa Eulàlia.  October 10th 1904 infante Fernando de Bourbon y Wittelsbach was born and baptized in the same cathedral as his parents wedding

1905 saw both Spain and Portugal plunged into chaos once more.  At which point Carlos was able to bring order to the situation and the union of nations known as Iberia.  Jaime over time had taken a more active role in support of his father's government.  When the new constitution was issued for Iberia, Jaime played a key role to bring it about.  Carlos had ruled Aragon as an absolute Monarchy by divine right.  Jaime was able to make the case that the ideas of the seventeenth century might no longer work in the twentieth; in particular over a newly unified nation that had been subjected to war in all of its parts within the last 10 years. 

The year 1906 would see the prince dealt a personal blow.  His wife the Princess Mathilde has been fighting lung problems for many years was stricken with a severe case of pneumonia.  She died that fall while trying to recover at an imperial residence on the Mediterranean coast.  Her body was interred in the Bourbon family crypt in Madrid.  The princess was just short of her 29th birthday when she died."

So far in the game all there is connecting Iberia and Bavaria is the marriage and the princes is now dead.  So while there is a conncetion its a fairly tenuous one.

Have fun...

Michael

[Kaiser Kirk]

Thanks all.

I have worked up expenditures for 1909-1911 for Bavaria (and the Mughals for that matter). I've got three ship designs (training, depot, minesweeper) to run past folks, but the research side is fuzzy.  I will be needing some rolls so I know when one research ended and I can start another.  Busy this weekend, but I should have 1912 done by Tuesday.

The Spain bit is interesting, and I appreciate the knowledge. While Malthilde is deceased, the Wittlesbachs should be favorably inclined towards Jaime and I expect the future heir.

[The Rock Doctor]

For simplicity's sake, assume all rolls are successful in the fifth half-year, when they should be at 60%.  You can then work out your tech without waiting on me to make rolls.

[Korpen]

The Spain bit is interesting, and I appreciate the knowledge. While Malthilde is deceased, the Wittlesbachs should be favorably inclined towards Jaime and I expect the future heir.

Like Beween Germany and the UK before ww1?
Or like between the "kaiser cousins" Wilhelm& Alexander? (Germany & Russia) ;)

[Guinness]

Well, geographically, it seems more likely that the Habsbergers and Bavarians would come into conflict than anyone else, which would certainly put the Iberian Emperor in a bind...

[Borys]

The Habsburgs are at the same time:
- unhappy about the Bavarians, as these backed the Tiroler Revolt and supported the deposed ex-Emperor Maximiliam; this deprived the Monarchy of Tirol and Triest;
- on the other hand Vienna appreciates Munich putting severe limits on support to Maximilian - no "march on Vienna", for instance; additionally, Bavarian expansion weaked France, wich was a Good Thing.

So, having a nervous Bavaria - France, Italy and Austria all lost lands to it, while the Baltikum is wary of any German Unification ideas, is quite benefitial. NOT having France as direct neighbour is ALMOST worth the loss of Tirol ...

[Kaiser Kirk]

I would say more in the Cousin Niki way.  Conflict due to the Iberian-Habsburg relationship is possible, but Iberia is sufficiently removed from Bavaria that there should be little direct friction to offset familiar fondness. Plus the dual proposal and pursuit over a number of years makes the Jaime-Mathilde sound like more than a purely dynastic function. 

During Bazhells tenure he formed treaties with the French, surrendering a Fortress in Wuttemburg, and a treaty with the Habsburgs. I do not yet know the text of either. However, there should be some stability on those borders. 

The Italian border is a problem area, as is the exposed Baltic border.  As part of the 1909-1911 builds, the Bavarians fortify the Italian border further, which buys some security, but that will have to be worked on. The Baltic border will need to be addressed and allies found.

Given that the Princeregent Luitpold passed away 12/12/12 from brochitis, his decline of the past several years could explain the lack of Bavarian activity on the world stage.

[miketr]

The Spain bit is interesting, and I appreciate the knowledge. While Malthilde is deceased, the Wittlesbachs should be favorably inclined towards Jaime and I expect the future heir.

Like Beween Germany and the UK before ww1?
Or like between the "kaiser cousins" Wilhelm& Alexander? (Germany & Russia) ;)

So while there is a conncetion its a fairly tenuous one.

Michael